if the Giants pass on a QB in the upcoming draft, we'll see a level of apathy with this team that has never existed in its history, the football equivalent of the Star Wars franchise being wrecked.
Eric, I’ll be one of them. To run it back with Jones when we could grab one of these QB prospects…fuck that. And fuck this organization if they go down that road.
team isn't competitive. Constantly losing close games is infuriating. Constantly being blown out is demoralizing.
The team is a laughingstock and except for last year has been very bad for more than a decade. The situation is so bad that as you note, even diehard fans have decided not to watch and instead spend their Sundays doing something else.
The need to rejuvenate or even at this point resurrect the fan base by giving them something to hope for next season is one reason why I think the Giants will draft a QB in the first or second round next April. Fifty percent of first round QBs bust, seventy-five percent overall, but unless or until that happens, fans have hope. And that hope means they are more likely to attend games and buy merchandise.
Washington should win easily. Howell is playing well. Their defense isn't, but they're facing DeVito, not Jones, or even Taylor.
At least in the 70's I did not feel thus level of despair. I actually think those players played harder and were much tougher than what we have now. This team has no spirit.
When I read we had 10 captains i thought oh no, next will be the participation trophies. One captain Harry Carson. Was good enough for a super bowl team. We have 10 for a super shit team. We dont even have 10 good players, how do you have 10 captains?
I actually think those teams in the 70's had better players than what we have now.
Years of shitty drafting woll take many years of good drafting to overcome that.Schoen has done better with drafting but not good enough. Cant afford to miss on Neal and Thibs has not een overly impressive.
Sad part of it all we just have to stay the course with Schoen and Daboll and hope they improve.
Whatever they do, this team better get competitive fast.
How many years do you need to rebuild in 2023? Its not the pre FA era. DG left to the team in rough shape....last year. Can't blame him forever. Three years into any regime, you need to be decent, and at the very least competitive with a rookie QB.
who will play through an ACL tear or rib fractures. No more sissies on our team!! Like Joe Burrow (oops)
Pull your head out of the sand. I know you’re a staunch Daniel Jones fan boy but posts like this make you look even more asinine. Forget needing a QB that can play through an ACL tear. Let’s start out with getting a QB that can somewhat competently lead an offense that scores more than 11 points per game. Then we can go from there…
Whether it's injuries, oline, or WR issues enough is enough. I love Daniel Jones the person, the hard worker, or whatever you want to say about him. I have been a supporter but not an apologist. I have yet to hear one writer ask or one head coaches say Daniel Jones has the talent and skills to be the guy. So enough with the guessing. Sorry but it's time to move on. I ve been a fan probably longer than most people on this sight have been alive. I remember the days years ago of being a sub .500 team but always being able to say they play tough competitive football and are In every game. I was never ashamed to admit out loud I was a Giants fan. Now? What a pathetic display of football they play. We're hearing the same talk from all these coaches we've heard for years. Some say this was that expected step back I say it's a trip forward flat on our face. Disgusting.
If Jones gets better and we draft a QB the franchise will prosper
Having two good QB's when so many teams are hurting is such a boost. Example: You have trade opportunities, you could use Jones as a running QB. You have a great backup plan!!!! If you have the 1 or two you HAVE to draft a franchise QB. Jones could still be a very good QB abut he will never be elite. You can't pass on these two guys if your scouting comes back in the Trevor Lawrence or Andrew Luck range.
If the Giants win some games and you lose out well then so be it. Draft one of the other QBs with one of the twos and develop that player while Jones plays out his $$$ years. You guys don't like Lombardi but he is right. DJ is smart but he is not that great at processing his reads. Yes he checks every intangible box, but that does not always get the job done! I think Tyrod Taylor throws a better deep ball!
who posted that they wouldn’t watch the game, I’d wager the vast majority of them watched it. With thousands of users seeing this crap team weekly we can forgive a few for venting.
The indifference is definitely growing. You see it on these boards and we see it in the pre-game previews that don’t even bother to preview the actual games (what would even be the point). It’s a sad state.
I’m guilty. Ever since the double qb-sneak game losses haven’t affected me as much - even after a good season last year. But I’m unreasonably invested in the Giants (as is anyone who routinely visits this site), and am here to stay.
Unfortunately those less invested are the ones that this level of play impacts. My children are more reasonable and watching Giants football has gone from a family event to solitary confinement for me. That’s the worst part - though it may actually be good that they, and the rest of this generation of would-be Giants fans, will find better things to do with their time.
What to look for in this game if you’re going to watch (I am):
- Can DeVito be a viable backup, need to see progress
- Play of young guys who may be core pieces - Banks, Flott, McFadden, Hyatt, Robinson, etc.
- Can the coaches craft credible offensive/defensive gameplans and cleanup the game management issues
- Will the Giants give more time to Gray; how will they use Saquon moving forward
- Does the team continue to play hard and stay together
Wouldn’t be shocked if we won; wouldn’t be shocked if we’re blown out. Interested to see how it plays out.
At 52 I have the luxury of watching a lot of winning.
The Giants have lost a whole generation of possibly fans with the last 10 years of losing badly, my son is 14, plays HS football and claims the Giants as his team but honestly it's only because of his old man. The organization is going to pay for the losing more than they feel it right now.
I am certain this site is monitored by the NYGs. If you folks in New York this.
I agree with Eric.
I have family that worked 30 years for you.
I bleed fucking Blue.
At 55, I know I have finite amount of Sundays left, I am feeling my mortality. Not going to risk spending precious time on players that quit.
I can tolerate losses.
There are people who are not trying on that field.
FIX IT!
Dude, make some serious changes in your life if you are feeling your mortality at 55. These days you're at least 15-20 years before you should EVEN be thinking like that. Just saying.
Thank you for continuing the painful process of these previews, as well as keeping the site up and running. Your description of the fan morale base describes me perfectly. Haven't missed more than a handful of games since 1980. Have spent hundreds of hours on this site. And watching the games at this point is work and obligation. I tape and fast forward through it as fast as I reasonably can.
if the Giants pass on a QB in the upcoming draft, we'll see a level of apathy with this team that has never existed in its history, the football equivalent of the Star Wars franchise being wrecked.
If the Giants pass on QB, they are telling their fans they don't care.
But, if Schoen was all on board with signing Jones to a $160M ($81M guaranteed contract), Mara has the right to be frustrated. He is signing the checks after all.
regarding the state of the franchise, and above all, the state of the fanbase. I have watched for over 40 years. Sundays would revolve around Giants football. But the level of disinterest is at an all-time high. I couldn't care less about a game tomorrow, and they are playing a once hated rival. I'm sure it's a combined factor of shit football and the entire sport changing, for the worse. It's sad.
so spot on Eric re the apathy. I grew up watching the '70s Giants
While they were never contenders, they never laid down or were non competetive. Teams knew they were in for a tough physical afternoon. We felt bad for the D that played their hearts out, and for Dave Jennings.
In the '80s, if we had to go to someone's affair on a football Sunday, my father brother and I would be steaming mad.
This team and franchise have become a joke. We have a Christening to attend tomorrow and I'm happy to go. I no longer run my Sundays around the Giants. It's sad what has happened.
team isn't competitive. Constantly losing close games is infuriating. Constantly being blown out is demoralizing.
The team is a laughingstock and except for last year has been very bad for more than a decade. The situation is so bad that as you note, even diehard fans have decided not to watch and instead spend their Sundays doing something else.
The need to rejuvenate or even at this point resurrect the fan base by giving them something to hope for next season is one reason why I think the Giants will draft a QB in the first or second round next April. Fifty percent of first round QBs bust, seventy-five percent overall, but unless or until that happens, fans have hope. And that hope means they are more likely to attend games and buy merchandise.
Washington should win easily. Howell is playing well. Their defense isn't, but they're facing DeVito, not Jones, or even Taylor.
Perfect time to introduce a new look uniform so that the rejuvenated fanbase can get excited again
RE: Whatever they do, this team better get competitive fast.
How many years do you need to rebuild in 2023? It's not the pre FA era. DG left to the team in rough shape....last year. Can't blame him forever. Three years into any regime, you need to be decent, and at the very least competitive with a rookie QB.
Cue the Lions resurgence
RE: Eric you are correct on every single point. QB? Forget it.
Whether it's injuries, oline, or WR issues enough is enough. I love Daniel Jones the person, the hard worker, or whatever you want to say about him. I have been a supporter but not an apologist. I have yet to hear one writer ask or one head coaches say Daniel Jones has the talent and skills to be the guy. So enough with the guessing. Sorry but it's time to move on. I ve been a fan probably longer than most people on this sight have been alive. I remember the days years ago of being a sub .500 team but always being able to say they play tough competitive football and are In every game. I was never ashamed to admit out loud I was a Giants fan. Now? What a pathetic display of football they play. We're hearing the same talk from all these coaches we've heard for years. Some say this was that expected step back I say it's a trip forward flat on our face. Disgusting.
I'm right there with you. I remember fondly going to the Giants-Jets games at the Yale Bowl
At 52 I have the luxury of watching a lot of winning.
The Giants have lost a whole generation of possibly fans with the last 10 years of losing badly, my son is 14, plays HS football and claims the Giants as his team but honestly it's only because of his old man. The organization is going to pay for the losing more than they feel it right now.
to argue about the need to fix the lines of scrimmage. I have only been saying since I started with the forum.
I bet if they ever do that then the games will at least be more enjoyable and the fans will get behind that.
Some like to put it all on the QB and that will fix everything but I don't expect another championship run until those fronts are returned to Giants standards of previous championship teams. I am also on board with drafting a QB.
Lot of things to monitor moving forward in the season imv.
to argue about the need to fix the lines of scrimmage. I have only been saying since I started with the forum.
I bet if they ever do that then the games will at least be more enjoyable and the fans will get behind that.
Some like to put it all on the QB and that will fix everything but I don't expect another championship run until those fronts are returned to Giants standards of previous championship teams. I am also on board with drafting a QB.
Lot of things to monitor moving forward in the season imv.
last offseason I felt the staff needed to make a honest and accurate assessment on Neal. Not a lot of improvement in his play this season if at all. Not giving up but it does not look promising at RT. We will see if they consider a move to one of the guard spots. If he were to be a good OG than it is disappointing the staff didn't do this last offseason and have a better option at RT this year. OL coach may be a factor.
sounds like these guys could play if they really wanted to. Doubt that's the case. Might want to look at training methods. And lots of other teams have injuries - Giants have no depth.
but that means other glaring needs will go unmet. RE: Neal - might be better suited at guard. Wont be the first time a 1st round OT wound up on the inside.
to argue about the need to fix the lines of scrimmage. I have only been saying since I started with the forum.
I bet if they ever do that then the games will at least be more enjoyable and the fans will get behind that.
Some like to put it all on the QB and that will fix everything but I don't expect another championship run until those fronts are returned to Giants standards of previous championship teams. I am also on board with drafting a QB.
Lot of things to monitor moving forward in the season imv.
Why do you guys keep making things up? Not one poster has EVER said that a QB fixes everything. Not one. It’s bullshit. On the other hand, pretending that QB isn’t part of the problem is incredibly disingenuous. PARTof the problem.
Making things up constantly and claiming people say things they don’t is not a constructive way to have discussions and it happens here all the time
I am certain this site is monitored by the NYGs. If you folks in New York this.
I agree with Eric.
I have family that worked 30 years for you.
I bleed fucking Blue.
At 55, I know I have finite amount of Sundays left, I am feeling my mortality. Not going to risk spending precious time on players that quit.
I can tolerate losses.
There are people who are not trying on that field.
FIX IT!
Dude, make some serious changes in your life if you are feeling your mortality at 55. These days you're at least 15-20 years before you should EVEN be thinking like that. Just saying.
I have already outlived both patents. Every single day matters. I have been blessed with the opportunity to be many people at the end of their life and have heard and executed their advice. My life has been full of gratitude because of it. I live in the moment and refuse to repeat activtities that bring disappointment.
Indeed, those teams had some tough, good, dependable players, mostly on defense....Harry Carson, Brad VP, George Mendenhall, Brian Kelley, even Spider Lockhardt.
Indifference is the natural response to such an uncompetitive team....I too barely watch, especially now with Tommy Divito at QB....I mean, come on, a terrible offense with a non professional level QB.
Ocassionaly, I look at the stats and shake my head in disbelief and become further convinced this is as bad a team as I've ever seen.
I started watching/caring around 1970. My father was a STH from the 50's and I inherited his tix (yup, that was the only way to get them back then)and had them until they moved to the new stadium and.....broke up the group my dad and I had sat with for generations, moved us to the upper corner of the end zone and wanted 2K for PSL's for this privilege.
Back to the head shaking stats...
32-12 TD's..unbelievable...
16 rushing TD's to 4....4 rushing TD's? The whole season? Beyond bad...that's utter incompetence.
266-118 points...by far the worst (not bad, not really bad, the worst) in the league.
The Giants actually lead in TOP....but I'm guessing that's because other teams score so quickly.
The worst part was feeling that finally had it right after last season with Dabs and Schoen.
I mean, they can't change again, can they? But these stats are mind boggling.
Engram doesn't work out draft Bellinger and give up a third.
Ojulari doesn't work out need a another pass rusher
How about the defensive back DG traded up for didn't work out, so draft Banks
Ans so on and so on. We don't move forward because we constantly have to redraft positions that should have been fixed by the draft.
Then we go the FA route to plug the holes resulting from poor drafting and the FA don't work out.
That says a lot about coaches developing these ball players. I think that is a significant part of the issue. The offensive line has not been fixed for such a long time. The Giants have gone through OLine coaches like diapers, as well as changing the offensive linemen. There’s no cohesion.
The Giants would be watchable, even competitive but for
asinine drafting. Barkley instead of Josh Allen. Will Hernandez instead of Nick Chubb. Passing on Parsons, trading down and drafting Toney and Evan Neal the following year. And while it's no doubt not a real factor, I don't like the look of short, fat head coaches, Coach of the Year notwithstanding.
The team is a laughingstock and except for last year has been very bad for more than a decade. The situation is so bad that as you note, even diehard fans have decided not to watch and instead spend their Sundays doing something else.
The need to rejuvenate or even at this point resurrect the fan base by giving them something to hope for next season is one reason why I think the Giants will draft a QB in the first or second round next April. Fifty percent of first round QBs bust, seventy-five percent overall, but unless or until that happens, fans have hope. And that hope means they are more likely to attend games and buy merchandise.
Washington should win easily. Howell is playing well. Their defense isn't, but they're facing DeVito, not Jones, or even Taylor.
When I read we had 10 captains i thought oh no, next will be the participation trophies. One captain Harry Carson. Was good enough for a super bowl team. We have 10 for a super shit team. We dont even have 10 good players, how do you have 10 captains?
I actually think those teams in the 70's had better players than what we have now.
Years of shitty drafting woll take many years of good drafting to overcome that.Schoen has done better with drafting but not good enough. Cant afford to miss on Neal and Thibs has not een overly impressive.
Sad part of it all we just have to stay the course with Schoen and Daboll and hope they improve.
Pull your head out of the sand. I know you’re a staunch Daniel Jones fan boy but posts like this make you look even more asinine. Forget needing a QB that can play through an ACL tear. Let’s start out with getting a QB that can somewhat competently lead an offense that scores more than 11 points per game. Then we can go from there…
I agree with Eric.
I have family that worked 30 years for you.
I bleed fucking Blue.
At 55, I know I have finite amount of Sundays left, I am feeling my mortality. Not going to risk spending precious time on players that quit.
I can tolerate losses.
There are people who are not trying on that field.
FIX
IT!
If the Giants win some games and you lose out well then so be it. Draft one of the other QBs with one of the twos and develop that player while Jones plays out his $$$ years. You guys don't like Lombardi but he is right. DJ is smart but he is not that great at processing his reads. Yes he checks every intangible box, but that does not always get the job done! I think Tyrod Taylor throws a better deep ball!
The indifference is definitely growing. You see it on these boards and we see it in the pre-game previews that don’t even bother to preview the actual games (what would even be the point). It’s a sad state.
I’m guilty. Ever since the double qb-sneak game losses haven’t affected me as much - even after a good season last year. But I’m unreasonably invested in the Giants (as is anyone who routinely visits this site), and am here to stay.
Unfortunately those less invested are the ones that this level of play impacts. My children are more reasonable and watching Giants football has gone from a family event to solitary confinement for me. That’s the worst part - though it may actually be good that they, and the rest of this generation of would-be Giants fans, will find better things to do with their time.
Jones doesn't work out now draft another QB.
Neal doesn't work out now draft another tackle.
Engram doesn't work out draft Bellinger and give up a third.
Ojulari doesn't work out need a another pass rusher
How about the defensive back DG traded up for didn't work out, so draft Banks
Ans so on and so on. We don't move forward because we constantly have to redraft positions that should have been fixed by the draft.
Then we go the FA route to plug the holes resulting from poor drafting and the FA don't work out.
Jones doesn't work out now draft another QB.
Neal doesn't work out now draft another tackle.
Engram doesn't work out draft Bellinger and give up a third.
Ojulari doesn't work out need a another pass rusher
How about the defensive back DG traded up for didn't work out, so draft Banks
Ans so on and so on. We don't move forward because we constantly have to redraft positions that should have been fixed by the draft.
Then we go the FA route to plug the holes resulting from poor drafting and the FA don't work out.
+1.
What to look for in this game if you’re going to watch (I am):
- Can DeVito be a viable backup, need to see progress
- Play of young guys who may be core pieces - Banks, Flott, McFadden, Hyatt, Robinson, etc.
- Can the coaches craft credible offensive/defensive gameplans and cleanup the game management issues
- Will the Giants give more time to Gray; how will they use Saquon moving forward
- Does the team continue to play hard and stay together
Wouldn’t be shocked if we won; wouldn’t be shocked if we’re blown out. Interested to see how it plays out.
The Giants have lost a whole generation of possibly fans with the last 10 years of losing badly, my son is 14, plays HS football and claims the Giants as his team but honestly it's only because of his old man. The organization is going to pay for the losing more than they feel it right now.
I agree with Eric.
I have family that worked 30 years for you.
I bleed fucking Blue.
At 55, I know I have finite amount of Sundays left, I am feeling my mortality. Not going to risk spending precious time on players that quit.
I can tolerate losses.
There are people who are not trying on that field.
FIX IT!
Dude, make some serious changes in your life if you are feeling your mortality at 55. These days you're at least 15-20 years before you should EVEN be thinking like that. Just saying.
Hopefully, next year is better.
If the Giants pass on QB, they are telling their fans they don't care.
But, if Schoen was all on board with signing Jones to a $160M ($81M guaranteed contract), Mara has the right to be frustrated. He is signing the checks after all.
In the '80s, if we had to go to someone's affair on a football Sunday, my father brother and I would be steaming mad.
This team and franchise have become a joke. We have a Christening to attend tomorrow and I'm happy to go. I no longer run my Sundays around the Giants. It's sad what has happened.
The team is a laughingstock and except for last year has been very bad for more than a decade. The situation is so bad that as you note, even diehard fans have decided not to watch and instead spend their Sundays doing something else.
The need to rejuvenate or even at this point resurrect the fan base by giving them something to hope for next season is one reason why I think the Giants will draft a QB in the first or second round next April. Fifty percent of first round QBs bust, seventy-five percent overall, but unless or until that happens, fans have hope. And that hope means they are more likely to attend games and buy merchandise.
Washington should win easily. Howell is playing well. Their defense isn't, but they're facing DeVito, not Jones, or even Taylor.
Perfect time to introduce a new look uniform so that the rejuvenated fanbase can get excited again
Cue the Lions resurgence
I'm right there with you. I remember fondly going to the Giants-Jets games at the Yale Bowl
The Giants have lost a whole generation of possibly fans with the last 10 years of losing badly, my son is 14, plays HS football and claims the Giants as his team but honestly it's only because of his old man. The organization is going to pay for the losing more than they feel it right now.
They did in the 70s.
I bet if they ever do that then the games will at least be more enjoyable and the fans will get behind that.
Some like to put it all on the QB and that will fix everything but I don't expect another championship run until those fronts are returned to Giants standards of previous championship teams. I am also on board with drafting a QB.
Lot of things to monitor moving forward in the season imv.
I bet if they ever do that then the games will at least be more enjoyable and the fans will get behind that.
Some like to put it all on the QB and that will fix everything but I don't expect another championship run until those fronts are returned to Giants standards of previous championship teams. I am also on board with drafting a QB.
Lot of things to monitor moving forward in the season imv.
Have you given up on Evan Neal?
They did. He collapsed on the sidelines and is still on the non-football injury list.
Tommy Sweeney.
Because it wasn't caught on camera, no one asks about him.
Definitely sets their rebuild back a year given all the other needs.
I bet if they ever do that then the games will at least be more enjoyable and the fans will get behind that.
Some like to put it all on the QB and that will fix everything but I don't expect another championship run until those fronts are returned to Giants standards of previous championship teams. I am also on board with drafting a QB.
Lot of things to monitor moving forward in the season imv.
Why do you guys keep making things up? Not one poster has EVER said that a QB fixes everything. Not one. It’s bullshit. On the other hand, pretending that QB isn’t part of the problem is incredibly disingenuous. PARTof the problem.
Making things up constantly and claiming people say things they don’t is not a constructive way to have discussions and it happens here all the time
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I am certain this site is monitored by the NYGs. If you folks in New York this.
I agree with Eric.
I have family that worked 30 years for you.
I bleed fucking Blue.
At 55, I know I have finite amount of Sundays left, I am feeling my mortality. Not going to risk spending precious time on players that quit.
I can tolerate losses.
There are people who are not trying on that field.
FIX IT!
Dude, make some serious changes in your life if you are feeling your mortality at 55. These days you're at least 15-20 years before you should EVEN be thinking like that. Just saying.
I can watch a team compete and lose.
I will not watch them not try.
I think they want us to watch...
Indifference is the natural response to such an uncompetitive team....I too barely watch, especially now with Tommy Divito at QB....I mean, come on, a terrible offense with a non professional level QB.
Ocassionaly, I look at the stats and shake my head in disbelief and become further convinced this is as bad a team as I've ever seen.
I started watching/caring around 1970. My father was a STH from the 50's and I inherited his tix (yup, that was the only way to get them back then)and had them until they moved to the new stadium and.....broke up the group my dad and I had sat with for generations, moved us to the upper corner of the end zone and wanted 2K for PSL's for this privilege.
Back to the head shaking stats...
32-12 TD's..unbelievable...
16 rushing TD's to 4....4 rushing TD's? The whole season? Beyond bad...that's utter incompetence.
266-118 points...by far the worst (not bad, not really bad, the worst) in the league.
The Giants actually lead in TOP....but I'm guessing that's because other teams score so quickly.
The worst part was feeling that finally had it right after last season with Dabs and Schoen.
I mean, they can't change again, can they? But these stats are mind boggling.
Thanksgiving is a few days away; Tommy De Vito has started one game; and he's the team leader in passing TDs.
Jones doesn't work out now draft another QB.
Neal doesn't work out now draft another tackle.
Engram doesn't work out draft Bellinger and give up a third.
Ojulari doesn't work out need a another pass rusher
How about the defensive back DG traded up for didn't work out, so draft Banks
Ans so on and so on. We don't move forward because we constantly have to redraft positions that should have been fixed by the draft.
Then we go the FA route to plug the holes resulting from poor drafting and the FA don't work out.
That says a lot about coaches developing these ball players. I think that is a significant part of the issue. The offensive line has not been fixed for such a long time. The Giants have gone through OLine coaches like diapers, as well as changing the offensive linemen. There’s no cohesion.
He seems to embrace the role with excitement which I haven't seen from a Giants KR/PR in a long time.
Everyone else that has assumed the role seems like they manage it as a secondary task.