I'm a Giants fan. I watch every game. I've watched almost every game since the mid-70s.
I think at this juncture, with this terrible team, and with a shot at one of the top 2 picks, and a shot at a franchise-altering QB, losses are in the long term interest of the team I root for.
I would rather have a chance at real greatness, long-lasting, dynastic greatness, and as a fan of the 80s Giants I know what real greatness looks like, than muddle along with 50 shades of mediocrity and awfulness.
I am not superstitious, therefore I don't think what I feel during the games, in the privacy of my home, in front of my television, has any affect on what happens on the field.
And I don't mind if you feel differently. I don't care if you feel a couple of meaningless wins on the way to a 4-13 season is satisfying. Good for you, I say. But the manner in which I root for my team is equally valid. I want the Giants to win multiple Super Bowls. And the fastest way to do this in my opinion is to lose out, move off Daniel Jones post haste, and get a rookie QB with elite upside.
I have a bad feeling the Patriots start Zappe next week and we pull out the win.
If other fans want to root for wins because they get some short-term satisfaction, by all means, enjoy the experience.
But it's another lost season where we aren't making the playoffs.
And if the Romantics think any wins will create some momentum for next year, I suggest you recall the last two years we made the playoffs and what happened the succeeding year.
If other fans want to root for wins because they get some short-term satisfaction, by all means, enjoy the experience.
But it's another lost season where we aren't making the playoffs.
And if the Romantics think any wins will create some momentum for next year, I suggest you recall the last two years we made the playoffs and what happened the succeeding year.
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If other fans want to root for wins because they get some short-term satisfaction, by all means, enjoy the experience.
But it's another lost season where we aren't making the playoffs.
And if the Romantics think any wins will create some momentum for next year, I suggest you recall the last two years we made the playoffs and what happened the succeeding year.
I personally expected a defensive collapse from the loss of LW.
So did Schoen IMO.
Wink Wink
Wink Wink
Could happen.
I don't think Wink is bad. And the D has had a few good efforts. But S/D need to decide if he plays the kind of D they want to play.
And Kafka, I think his experience with Mahomes could be really helpful next season.
I also just cannot root for a loss against the commanders. I hat the team. Hate the fans. And nothing will make me happier than hearing the Sports Junkies Monday if the Giants win.
Preach
aka When Good Things Happen to Bad Teams
Why would a 2-6 team, t hang on to assets that will eat cap next year? I wish they had found a way to trade McKinney because if the team was more realistic/future thinking they would have even more capital next year to move around the board.
I'm not rooting for them to lose, but I also can't see how they can win, unless it's Tyrod and against a bad team.
I ll watch the games without the same intensity as I do when they are meaningful and being honest a win against the Pats or Packers would seem empty, because of the lost draft capital.
But while I would accept the benefit of losing to the Eagles, a win in that game, if the Eagles still need it would be very satisfying
In the end the team will draft where they do regardless of the OP rooting for losses.
I will add however, non competitive losses like the last two weeks can have some significant ramifications going forward, would rather see some wins than 7 more non competitive embarrassments
I ll watch the games without the same intensity as I do when they are meaningful and being honest a win against the Pats or Packers would seem empty, because of the lost draft capital.
But while I would accept the benefit of losing to the Eagles, a win in that game, if the Eagles still need it would be very satisfying
In the end the team will draft where they do regardless of the OP rooting for losses.
I will add however, non competitive losses like the last two weeks can have some significant ramifications going forward, would rather see some wins than 7 more non competitive embarrassments
Wins mean nothing any more this season. Absolutely nothing.
Apologies. This is a real sentiment out there. And some fans think it's not valid for other fans to feel this way. Where else can we discuss it?
My feeling is it's only trolling if we don't feel this way, but said it for the sole purpose of upsetting other fans. But if we truly feel this is best for the team, it's not trolling.
Please correct me if I have it wrong.
A top draft pick guarantees nothing. A later draft pick can be just as valuable. Baker Mayfield, #1 overall. Ryan Leaf #2 overall. Josh Rosen, #10 overall. Lamar Jackson, #32 overall. Jalen Hurts, 2nd round. Brock Purdy, "Mr. Irrelevant."
(The "Mr. Irrelevant" thing needs to be abolished. It was started when the draft had many more rounds. The last pick of the modern draft is far from irrelevant.)
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That s a lot of losing to depend on for your dreams to come true. Some are setting themselves up for major disappointment if 2-15 doesn’t happen.
I ll watch the games without the same intensity as I do when they are meaningful and being honest a win against the Pats or Packers would seem empty, because of the lost draft capital.
But while I would accept the benefit of losing to the Eagles, a win in that game, if the Eagles still need it would be very satisfying
In the end the team will draft where they do regardless of the OP rooting for losses.
I will add however, non competitive losses like the last two weeks can have some significant ramifications going forward, would rather see some wins than 7 more non competitive embarrassments
Wins mean nothing any more this season. Absolutely nothing.
You forgot to add, In my opinion.
Could have had Trevor Lawrence! No was more important to win a meaningless game against Rams.
I watched the Giants suck through the 60’s and 70’s and one thing I’m convinced of, teams can get losing so ingrained into its fabric they forget how to win, and it can go years of repeat cycles. I’m not saying that sometimes with that ultra high pick teams don’t catch lightning in a bottle and turn around the entire organization, we did with LT. I’m just saying that it’s far from any sort of guarantee, and losing badly can be contagious. I prefer winning, and a higher draft position just a consolation prize not a goal
Whether I root for a loss or a win, it won’t change the outcome, so I’ll enjoy the game rooting for my team to win and if they lose then I can view the higher pick as a silver lining
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That s a lot of losing to depend on for your dreams to come true. Some are setting themselves up for major disappointment if 2-15 doesn’t happen.
I ll watch the games without the same intensity as I do when they are meaningful and being honest a win against the Pats or Packers would seem empty, because of the lost draft capital.
But while I would accept the benefit of losing to the Eagles, a win in that game, if the Eagles still need it would be very satisfying
In the end the team will draft where they do regardless of the OP rooting for losses.
I will add however, non competitive losses like the last two weeks can have some significant ramifications going forward, would rather see some wins than 7 more non competitive embarrassments
Wins mean nothing any more this season. Absolutely nothing.
You forgot to add, In my opinion.
Joe, after all these years you still haven't figured out that unless someone is making a comment about something that has already happened, almost every other post is someone's OPINION.
It's obvious to everyone else that he posted his opinion. Why do you think we need to litter this board with unnecessary words like, "in my opinion", "I think", IMO, etc. to every post?
Do you realize how much more time that would take to read if EVERY post that didn't state a proven fact, included some "IMO" qualifier to make the overly sensitive feel better?
And now that I think about it... when you stated earlier in this very thread that, "non-competitive losses like the last two weeks can have some significant ramifications going forward"... Were you stating an opinion or a fact? Because if you're following your own rules, shouldn't have added some form of "in my opinion" to your very debatable take?
I don't care about #1 pick, I care about us getting our #1 QB. Maye , Williams, Daniel's..
We do have a guy who was ecstatic when Jones suffered his neck injury this year.
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That s a lot of losing to depend on for your dreams to come true. Some are setting themselves up for major disappointment if 2-15 doesn’t happen.
I ll watch the games without the same intensity as I do when they are meaningful and being honest a win against the Pats or Packers would seem empty, because of the lost draft capital.
But while I would accept the benefit of losing to the Eagles, a win in that game, if the Eagles still need it would be very satisfying
In the end the team will draft where they do regardless of the OP rooting for losses.
I will add however, non competitive losses like the last two weeks can have some significant ramifications going forward, would rather see some wins than 7 more non competitive embarrassments
Wins mean nothing any more this season. Absolutely nothing.
You forgot to add, In my opinion.
Joe, after all these years you still haven't figured out that unless someone is making a comment about something that has already happened, almost every other post is someone's OPINION.
It's obvious to everyone else that he posted his opinion. Why do you think we need to litter this board with unnecessary words like, "in my opinion", "I think", IMO, etc. to every post?
Do you realize how much more time that would take to read if EVERY post that didn't state a proven fact, included some "IMO" qualifier to make the overly sensitive feel better?
And now that I think about it... when you stated earlier in this very thread that, "non-competitive losses like the last two weeks can have some significant ramifications going forward"... Were you stating an opinion or a fact? Because if you're following your own rules, shouldn't have added some form of "in my opinion" to your very debatable take?
I understand that Jim, of course I don’t expect every post to include the caveat, “In my opinion”
In this case he was minimizing my point, a legit point, that 7 more awful losses can have significant implications going forward. He was stating it in absolute terms, I was simply making the point that my opinion is as valid as his
I consider you a good poster but please don’t insult me by suggesting I have rules about how people should post
You missed my point, it happens. There is often no tone in texting or posting. You interpreted my post literally, not how it was meant
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That s a lot of losing to depend on for your dreams to come true. Some are setting themselves up for major disappointment if 2-15 doesn’t happen.
I ll watch the games without the same intensity as I do when they are meaningful and being honest a win against the Pats or Packers would seem empty, because of the lost draft capital.
But while I would accept the benefit of losing to the Eagles, a win in that game, if the Eagles still need it would be very satisfying
In the end the team will draft where they do regardless of the OP rooting for losses.
I will add however, non competitive losses like the last two weeks can have some significant ramifications going forward, would rather see some wins than 7 more non competitive embarrassments
Wins mean nothing any more this season. Absolutely nothing.
You forgot to add, In my opinion.
Joe, after all these years you still haven't figured out that unless someone is making a comment about something that has already happened, almost every other post is someone's OPINION.
It's obvious to everyone else that he posted his opinion. Why do you think we need to litter this board with unnecessary words like, "in my opinion", "I think", IMO, etc. to every post?
Do you realize how much more time that would take to read if EVERY post that didn't state a proven fact, included some "IMO" qualifier to make the overly sensitive feel better?
And now that I think about it... when you stated earlier in this very thread that, "non-competitive losses like the last two weeks can have some significant ramifications going forward"... Were you stating an opinion or a fact? Because if you're following your own rules, shouldn't have added some form of "in my opinion" to your very debatable take?
I understand that Jim, of course I don’t expect every post to include the caveat, “In my opinion”
In this case he was minimizing my point, a legit point, that 7 more awful losses can have significant implications going forward. He was stating it in absolute terms, I was simply making the point that my opinion is as valid as his
I consider you a good poster but please don’t insult me by suggesting I have rules about how people should post
You missed my point, it happens. There is often no tone in texting or posting. You interpreted my post literally, not how it was meant
I'm not the one who missed the point, as you absolutely DO have rules about how other people post.
For years when other people disagree with you "too strongly" you suggest that they are stating their opinions as facts. You've made some version of that post dozens of times. I'm sorry if that insults you, but that's a fact.
As I already pointed out… you stated in this thread that, “non-competitive losses like the last two weeks can have some significant ramifications going forward”
Sammo stated, “Wins mean nothing any more this season. Absolutely nothing.”
Most people would view that as two posters taking polar opposite views about the significance of the remaining games on the Giants’ schedule.
Yet because Sammo’s OPINION differed from yours, you think that he’s somehow required to add “in my opinion” to his post, while you’re free to state your opinion on the exact same topic, without adding any qualifiers.
And of course, since you disagreed with his opinion, you think his opinion was stated “in absolute terms” while your opposite view was stated in what... non-absolute terms?
I think many would think that’s hypocritical of you. But of course, that’s just my opinion.
perfectly valid... and effective.
I'm pretty excited about this team's prospects after 2023. This stage of the rebuild will be interesting to watch play out. And everyone here is passionate about it and has strong opinions.
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That s a lot of losing to depend on for your dreams to come true. Some are setting themselves up for major disappointment if 2-15 doesn’t happen.
I ll watch the games without the same intensity as I do when they are meaningful and being honest a win against the Pats or Packers would seem empty, because of the lost draft capital.
But while I would accept the benefit of losing to the Eagles, a win in that game, if the Eagles still need it would be very satisfying
In the end the team will draft where they do regardless of the OP rooting for losses.
I will add however, non competitive losses like the last two weeks can have some significant ramifications going forward, would rather see some wins than 7 more non competitive embarrassments
Wins mean nothing any more this season. Absolutely nothing.
You forgot to add, In my opinion.
Joe, after all these years you still haven't figured out that unless someone is making a comment about something that has already happened, almost every other post is someone's OPINION.
It's obvious to everyone else that he posted his opinion. Why do you think we need to litter this board with unnecessary words like, "in my opinion", "I think", IMO, etc. to every post?
Do you realize how much more time that would take to read if EVERY post that didn't state a proven fact, included some "IMO" qualifier to make the overly sensitive feel better?
And now that I think about it... when you stated earlier in this very thread that, "non-competitive losses like the last two weeks can have some significant ramifications going forward"... Were you stating an opinion or a fact? Because if you're following your own rules, shouldn't have added some form of "in my opinion" to your very debatable take?
I understand that Jim, of course I don’t expect every post to include the caveat, “In my opinion”
In this case he was minimizing my point, a legit point, that 7 more awful losses can have significant implications going forward. He was stating it in absolute terms, I was simply making the point that my opinion is as valid as his
I consider you a good poster but please don’t insult me by suggesting I have rules about how people should post
You missed my point, it happens. There is often no tone in texting or posting. You interpreted my post literally, not how it was meant
I'm not the one who missed the point, as you absolutely DO have rules about how other people post.
For years when other people disagree with you "too strongly" you suggest that they are stating their opinions as facts. You've made some version of that post dozens of times. I'm sorry if that insults you, but that's a fact.
As I already pointed out… you stated in this thread that, “non-competitive losses like the last two weeks can have some significant ramifications going forward”
Sammo stated, “Wins mean nothing any more this season. Absolutely nothing.”
Most people would view that as two posters taking polar opposite views about the significance of the remaining games on the Giants’ schedule.
Yet because Sammo’s OPINION differed from yours, you think that he’s somehow required to add “in my opinion” to his post, while you’re free to state your opinion on the exact same topic, without adding any qualifiers.
And of course, since you disagreed with his opinion, you think his opinion was stated “in absolute terms” while your opposite view was stated in what... non-absolute terms?
I think many would think that’s hypocritical of you. But of course, that’s just my opinion.
Whatever Jim, I already told you I don’t expect anyone to do anything. But this is the type of pissing match I m not interested in.
But thank you for paying such close attention to what I post. Honestly I can’t say I do the same for yours.
I recommend you ignore my posts going forward, you ll be less aggravated
I'm pretty excited about this team's prospects after 2023. This stage of the rebuild will be interesting to watch play out. And everyone here is passionate about it and has strong opinions.
You started a thread that one of the mods referred to as "very close to trolling". You weren't really looking for a civilized discussion, so save us the lecture.
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That s a lot of losing to depend on for your dreams to come true. Some are setting themselves up for major disappointment if 2-15 doesn’t happen.
I ll watch the games without the same intensity as I do when they are meaningful and being honest a win against the Pats or Packers would seem empty, because of the lost draft capital.
But while I would accept the benefit of losing to the Eagles, a win in that game, if the Eagles still need it would be very satisfying
In the end the team will draft where they do regardless of the OP rooting for losses.
I will add however, non competitive losses like the last two weeks can have some significant ramifications going forward, would rather see some wins than 7 more non competitive embarrassments
Wins mean nothing any more this season. Absolutely nothing.
You forgot to add, In my opinion.
Joe, after all these years you still haven't figured out that unless someone is making a comment about something that has already happened, almost every other post is someone's OPINION.
It's obvious to everyone else that he posted his opinion. Why do you think we need to litter this board with unnecessary words like, "in my opinion", "I think", IMO, etc. to every post?
Do you realize how much more time that would take to read if EVERY post that didn't state a proven fact, included some "IMO" qualifier to make the overly sensitive feel better?
And now that I think about it... when you stated earlier in this very thread that, "non-competitive losses like the last two weeks can have some significant ramifications going forward"... Were you stating an opinion or a fact? Because if you're following your own rules, shouldn't have added some form of "in my opinion" to your very debatable take?
I understand that Jim, of course I don’t expect every post to include the caveat, “In my opinion”
In this case he was minimizing my point, a legit point, that 7 more awful losses can have significant implications going forward. He was stating it in absolute terms, I was simply making the point that my opinion is as valid as his
I consider you a good poster but please don’t insult me by suggesting I have rules about how people should post
You missed my point, it happens. There is often no tone in texting or posting. You interpreted my post literally, not how it was meant
I'm not the one who missed the point, as you absolutely DO have rules about how other people post.
For years when other people disagree with you "too strongly" you suggest that they are stating their opinions as facts. You've made some version of that post dozens of times. I'm sorry if that insults you, but that's a fact.
As I already pointed out… you stated in this thread that, “non-competitive losses like the last two weeks can have some significant ramifications going forward”
Sammo stated, “Wins mean nothing any more this season. Absolutely nothing.”
Most people would view that as two posters taking polar opposite views about the significance of the remaining games on the Giants’ schedule.
Yet because Sammo’s OPINION differed from yours, you think that he’s somehow required to add “in my opinion” to his post, while you’re free to state your opinion on the exact same topic, without adding any qualifiers.
And of course, since you disagreed with his opinion, you think his opinion was stated “in absolute terms” while your opposite view was stated in what... non-absolute terms?
I think many would think that’s hypocritical of you. But of course, that’s just my opinion.
Whatever Jim, I already told you I don’t expect anyone to do anything. But this is the type of pissing match I m not interested in.
But thank you for paying such close attention to what I post. Honestly I can’t say I do the same for yours.
I recommend you ignore my posts going forward, you ll be less aggravated
And I recommend you be less of a hypocrite going forward.
Have a nice night!