I'm rooting for losses

Although I think BB wants to lose too, so it should be a battle of two poor teams with poor QBs leading the way. Which one will be worse?

in the short term for the long term.

In comment 16292799 5BowlsSoon said:

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Although I think BB wants to lose too, so it should be a battle of two poor teams with poor QBs leading the way. Which one will be worse?

Don't worry about the Giants...

But it's hard to root for a loss. I also remember the Chase Young debacle. Some of the people screaming for losses now told us we just set the franchise back a decade by losing out on young.

And ask yourself this... What would the current regime have done with the first pick this year? Do you think they would have taken Stroud? Would they have passed on him because that stupid useless cognitive test didn't align with their tough smart dependable philosophy?

Just play the young guys and let the chips fall where they may. But I will not root for a loss. You cannot engineer the perfect draft. There is a lot more wrong with this team aside from QB. Maybe Maye or Williams are transformational. Maybe they aren't.

except when we play Philly!

Coaches are coaching to win and the players are definitely playing to win. This is their livelihood. They may not be here next season and they don't want to go looking for a team with a piss poor performance the prior season. I believe the idea of losing for a better draft position is only a fan perspective. So by wishing for them to lose you are really wishing that they are really as bad as they look or even worse. That if true will continue into next year as on average over 60% of your team returns. (See link below for PFF article on recent team turnover numbers)

In 2021 the Lions were 2-13-1 going into their last game against the Packers. The Packers were sitting their starters in prep for the playoffs. The Lions had the #2 draft pick going into the game. They played a hell of a game and wound up winning 37-30 with a touchdown in thee last two minutes. It turned out with other team losses that the Lions would have had the number one pick if they had lost. Instead the remained at #2 and wound up seleecting Aidan Hutchinson. Who may be one if not the best players from that draft. A poll of fans following their 3-13-1 season on whether the season wasa success came out 1,552 as Yes and 136 as No. And that was before the draft.

Like many here have stated I do not mind when they lose as a better draft pick is good. However I root for them to win and I hope to see positive play and enthusiasm to build on. There is still a lot of season left. If the team can come back from a brutal turn of events and win some games and still pick in the top five, that would give me a better feel for this team than if they continue as they have been, be a joke of the league, and maybe even have a quarterback sneak on 3rd and 9. That would be a much better ending than the joke we have been watching even if coupled with a #1 pick. A win here or there would show that this team has players to build with and a coaching staff that can inspire and has the guts to let the players play. If the Lions could have such a positive poll with only one emore win than we have now anythings possible. Defeating their division rivals to end the season probably had a lot to do with that.

Let the draft fall as it may and deal with it then. There is too much of a short season left to be hoping for losses. Let's enjoy whats left and hope to win some games. Go Giants!

https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-team-turnover-which-nfl-teams-have-seen-the-most-roster-turnover-over-the-last-three-seasons - ( New Window )

I'm completely on board. I share the opinion of the OP and others that believe the quickest way out of this nearly 10 year quagmire is to hit on a true franchise QB in the draft. True, there are no sure things in the draft at QB (OR ANY OTHER POSITION) but the higher the pick, the more likely you are to get the guy that your GM & HC believe is the answer. Even more importantly, the higher the pick, the less the likely it is of having to pay a fortune in future draft picks to move up to get your guy.

...get the logic.
Lose more, and get a great QB (potentially) in the draft.
Tough to argue with that.

But for me, it is impossible to sit there watching the game and rooting for the jints to lose. Especially when they are playing Washington.
No way I'm rooting for Washington to win.

But no judgement either way, and to each their own.

It’s a waste of time/energy.

I’ve been a fan for than 50 years, and I am not going to spend Sunday watching or be happy if they win or lose. The draft is 6 months away and I have better things to do.

In comment 16292660 bw in dc said:

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for the long-term health of this organization, losing is winning for the rest of the year. If other fans want to root for wins because they get some short-term satisfaction, by all means, enjoy the experience. But it's another lost season where we aren't making the playoffs. And if the Romantics think any wins will create some momentum for next year, I suggest you recall the last two years we made the playoffs and what happened the succeeding year.

+1

about the following year's draft before Thanksgiving.

It's boring. I don't give a shit who they draft with their top 3 pick because I am 100% confident in this moron team that they will not get it right.

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In comment 16292696 Sammo85 said: Quote: I want the top pick and avoid any cost of having to trade up. Period. Preach

Bryce Young, #1 pick. Awesome!

However, I am very numb to losing at this point. If they lose, there is some long-term satisfaction.

Accepting of losses given the bigger picture. Simple. To each his own, no right or wrong here.

if you’re a fan, you root for wins on Sunday and - if your team is shitty - you hope for good draft placement come Monday.

if you’re actively rooting against the team on Sunday - cheering when we don’t convert a 3rd down, pumping your fist when we get stopped at the goal line, etc. - then you’ve lost sight of what this is all about.

rooting for losses is a fantasy football / Madden mentality borne from the idea that the draft is predictable and draft picks all pan out the way they are supposed to. it might work that way in your Madden season, but rarely does that happen in real life.

the team is playing to win, players are fighting for a win and a career, coaches are coaching to win, and fans - short for fanatics - either support the team on Sunday or they don’t.

In comment 16292886 4xchamps said:

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In comment 16292697 jinkies said: Quote: In comment 16292696 Sammo85 said: Quote: I want the top pick and avoid any cost of having to trade up. Period. Preach Bryce Young, #1 pick. Awesome!

Unfortunately, thinking before you write isn't one of your strengths.

In comment 16292886 4xchamps said:

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Bryce Young, #1 pick. Awesome!

CJ Stroud #2 pick, should have been #1 pick, Awesome!

has a trophy named after him said winning is a habit. Unfortunately, so is losing.

I think it is important that the HC prepares the team to execute with the goal of winning on gameday. The record will be the record at the end of the season.

I would not have a issue with them playing some younger players over older veterans who they don't have expectations of returning but that should not change the objective of winning. Imo.

now that jinxie is rooting for losses the Giants will win out.

way to go asshole.

I’d like to see the Giants end up with a top 2 pick but also see progression from the rookies and young guys. Not sure if those two coincide with each other but if at all possible I’d like it to happen.

I think if we play DeVito the rest of the season that’s a way to do that.

In comment 16292954 ryanmkeane said:

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I’d like to see the Giants end up with a top 2 pick but also see progression from the rookies and young guys. Not sure if those two coincide with each other but if at all possible I’d like it to happen. I think if we play DeVito the rest of the season that’s a way to do that.

I think it’s possible even if Taylor comes back. No idea whether he can hold up and get back up to speed/rust off 4-5 weeks.

That said I want all the young kids to be playing right now. No more Jihad Ward on DL just because Wink loves him. Hyatt needs to play and be targeted. This is not about 2023, it’s all about 2024 and forward.

Even if they make tons of mistakes and we lose every game it’s valuable to build experience and if anything they’ll learn to hate losing.

In comment 16292736 Jack Stroud said:

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or when a Giants player is injured! Please stop calling yourself a Giants fan, no fan looks forward to their team losing!

Injuries no, but cheering for losses absolutely. I cheered when the Yankees got swept by the rays in 2016, and those losses lead to them winning and being contenders again because of the moves they were forced to make.

I rooted for Bruins losses in 16-17 because I desperately wanted to see Claude Julien fired. He was and that lead directly to them getting back to the playoffs and back to the SCF.

Now neither team has won a championship, which as the ultimate goal is highly disappointing, but losing created the changes needed to get back to winning and playoff games.

That's where I'm at with the Giants

That actively roots for it to lose should

A) find a new sports team to support
Or
B) find a big bag of dicks and eat them.

The end.

Let the draft chips fall where they may.

In comment 16292939 Jay on the Island said:

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In comment 16292886 4xchamps said: Quote: Bryce Young, #1 pick. Awesome! CJ Stroud #2 pick, should have been #1 pick, Awesome!

Would this regime have picked Stroud with the first pick? I don't think so. We will never know but I don't believe they would have

In comment 16293037 Kanavis said:

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In comment 16292939 Jay on the Island said: Quote: In comment 16292886 4xchamps said: Quote: Bryce Young, #1 pick. Awesome! CJ Stroud #2 pick, should have been #1 pick, Awesome! Would this regime have picked Stroud with the first pick? I don't think so. We will never know but I don't believe they would have

Stroud would have been far more likely than Young. The Giants prefer prototypical size at the QB position and Stroud fits that far better than Young.

In comment 16292835 gogiants said:

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Coaches are coaching to win and the players are definitely playing to win. This is their livelihood. They may not be here next season and they don't want to go looking for a team with a piss poor performance the prior season. I believe the idea of losing for a better draft position is only a fan perspective. So by wishing for them to lose you are really wishing that they are really as bad as they look or even worse. That if true will continue into next year as on average over 60% of your team returns. (See link below for PFF article on recent team turnover numbers) In 2021 the Lions were 2-13-1 going into their last game against the Packers. The Packers were sitting their starters in prep for the playoffs. The Lions had the #2 draft pick going into the game. They played a hell of a game and wound up winning 37-30 with a touchdown in thee last two minutes. It turned out with other team losses that the Lions would have had the number one pick if they had lost. Instead the remained at #2 and wound up seleecting Aidan Hutchinson. Who may be one if not the best players from that draft. A poll of fans following their 3-13-1 season on whether the season wasa success came out 1,552 as Yes and 136 as No. And that was before the draft. Like many here have stated I do not mind when they lose as a better draft pick is good. However I root for them to win and I hope to see positive play and enthusiasm to build on. There is still a lot of season left. If the team can come back from a brutal turn of events and win some games and still pick in the top five, that would give me a better feel for this team than if they continue as they have been, be a joke of the league, and maybe even have a quarterback sneak on 3rd and 9. That would be a much better ending than the joke we have been watching even if coupled with a #1 pick. A win here or there would show that this team has players to build with and a coaching staff that can inspire and has the guts to let the players play. If the Lions could have such a positive poll with only one emore win than we have now anythings possible. Defeating their division rivals to end the season probably had a lot to do with that. Let the draft fall as it may and deal with it then. There is too much of a short season left to be hoping for losses. Let's enjoy whats left and hope to win some games. Go Giants! https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-team-turnover-which-nfl-teams-have-seen-the-most-roster-turnover-over-the-last-three-seasons - ( New Window )

Such a sober and reasonable take. Thanks for sharing your point of view on this.

In the big picture I agree we are probably better served losing out. On Sundays I'm rooting forma win

In comment 16293055 jinkies said:

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Such a sober and reasonable take. Thanks for sharing your point of view on this.

Thanks!

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In comment 16292835 gogiants said: Quote: Coaches are coaching to win and the players are definitely playing to win. This is their livelihood. They may not be here next season and they don't want to go looking for a team with a piss poor performance the prior season. I believe the idea of losing for a better draft position is only a fan perspective. So by wishing for them to lose you are really wishing that they are really as bad as they look or even worse. That if true will continue into next year as on average over 60% of your team returns. (See link below for PFF article on recent team turnover numbers) In 2021 the Lions were 2-13-1 going into their last game against the Packers. The Packers were sitting their starters in prep for the playoffs. The Lions had the #2 draft pick going into the game. They played a hell of a game and wound up winning 37-30 with a touchdown in thee last two minutes. It turned out with other team losses that the Lions would have had the number one pick if they had lost. Instead the remained at #2 and wound up seleecting Aidan Hutchinson. Who may be one if not the best players from that draft. A poll of fans following their 3-13-1 season on whether the season wasa success came out 1,552 as Yes and 136 as No. And that was before the draft. Like many here have stated I do not mind when they lose as a better draft pick is good. However I root for them to win and I hope to see positive play and enthusiasm to build on. There is still a lot of season left. If the team can come back from a brutal turn of events and win some games and still pick in the top five, that would give me a better feel for this team than if they continue as they have been, be a joke of the league, and maybe even have a quarterback sneak on 3rd and 9. That would be a much better ending than the joke we have been watching even if coupled with a #1 pick. A win here or there would show that this team has players to build with and a coaching staff that can inspire and has the guts to let the players play. If the Lions could have such a positive poll with only one emore win than we have now anythings possible. Defeating their division rivals to end the season probably had a lot to do with that. Let the draft fall as it may and deal with it then. There is too much of a short season left to be hoping for losses. Let's enjoy whats left and hope to win some games. Go Giants! https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-team-turnover-which-nfl-teams-have-seen-the-most-roster-turnover-over-the-last-three-seasons - ( New Window )

You're conflating things and thinking you are really a part of the organization by being a fan. Nothing can be further from the truth.

You are a fan and they are pro coaches and athletes. Yes they play to win; otherwise it could very well mean not having a job. And when they get their next (if they do) they simply throw away their free Giants gear and go pick up their new Eagles or Dolphins gear o whatever.

As a fan you are in a different situation. Assuming you do not just go switch teams because they are winning and you are losing. You are stuck with them and, you are looking at it from a longer term perspective than say having an uncomofrtable convo in Mara's office as to why you only won 2 games. Just like it would be a disaster if I went to to dinner with Thibs or sexy Dex.

Me watching him on tv or at Met life stadium that is fine for both of us.

Detriot Lions are bad example. There is a lot more to the story than getting lucky on a #2 pick. They made a blockbuster trade WHICH THE PRIMARY FOCUS WAS THE QB. They got a boat load of picks. winning the last game of the season didn't have anything to do with it.

Rams were in win now mode and Detriot then was rebuilding. They took it seriously and started with a QB. Which is where we need to start. Which includes picking top 3.

I am saying that if the coaches and players are trying their best to win, which I believe we agree on, then if they still consistently lose to the order of getting a/the top drop pick, then they are really a bad team. So by hoping they lose that badly I am hoping that they are really a bad team. Since on average the majority of players will return that is not good for the team going forward.

Some may take the position that they are that bad because of one player – the quarterback. And that by losing out they can solve that problem. I don’t see it like that for the Giants. While most talent evaluators woild not have Daniel Jones in the top ten QBs, from what I see most seemed to have him as an average QB. Here are some 2023 preseason rankings

CBS 15th
PFF 17th
Sporting News 16th
Sharp 18th

If the Giants are top of draft bad it is not all on Daniel Jones. So I am saying hoping they are that bad to get the top quarterback is not my view of things. I would rather see this team finish up this season with some wins and show that they have talent and good coaches. They showed something to be proud of in the defeat of Washington today. More games like that is what I hope for. That is something to build on. Did the Colts win a Super Bowl with Andrew Luck?

that if you are in contention you play at a different level than if you are out of it. It doesn't matter in they are pros, it is just different ... even in little league.

So a team can look and feel like they are tanking when it is not intentional at all.

Trade with Chicago if we need to move up. We have history.