He is terrible pre-snap
He has trouble reading post snap
He doesn't sense the rush well
He stands too long holding the ball
He has a long wind up
He has limited arm strength throwing outside the hashes
He can't throw with anticipation
He does not throw with accuaracy to leverage points with consistency
He moves poorly in the pocket.
He can't find secondary targets downfield
Jones can only excel in a single read and run offense.
if you spend a top 3 pick like that on a QB, they better be worth it. I agree with major concerns with both. Neither looking overly impressive. Williams TD was under thrown and the CB fell down. In the NFL that’s an interception. In the Pac10, it’s a long TD.
Jayden Daniels has been the most impressive college QB imo
He is terrible pre-snap
He has trouble reading post snap
He doesn't sense the rush well
He stands too long holding the ball
He has a long wind up
He has limited arm strength throwing outside the hashes
He can't throw with anticipation
He does not throw with accuaracy to leverage points with consistency
He moves poorly in the pocket.
He can't find secondary targets downfield
Jones can only excel in a single read and run offense.
Long past time to find another QB
If you are going to denigrate Jones at least get the issues he has correct.
His problem is slow to read the defense post snap and failing to pull the trigger.
But other than that.... they need a new QB that can read quickly and react.
the physical ability in the QB class this year I don’t know what to tell you. Fortunately it’s so evident the coaching and playcalling for the top QBs is actually so darn pretty awful with some caveats for LSU. Frankly I like college QBs having to deal with adversity. Makes them tougher. Makes them learn and work harder to win.
Also not sure if you watched Jones his last year at Duke. Some real big stinkers in there. Yet on physical eye tests, the guy rose like helium to go in top 6.
Jones is also highly (over)paid now and highly injured.
Maye has a terrific arm and mechanics. Needs to get more experience and coached up. Mack Brown sucks as a head coach and his staff is not good.
Williams has some concerns with ball control and playing streetball too much but to me there is no waiting. He will be #1 pick no matter what or who has it.
Daniels I’m a little concerned about the build but the release and ball placement and decisionmaking is exceptional.
Nix is a real wild card to me. Wouldn’t stun me to see him go somewhere and be rushed into duty too quickly. Also wouldn’t stun me to see him go somewhere and in Burrow esque fashion take league by force.
He is terrible pre-snap
He has trouble reading post snap
He doesn't sense the rush well
He stands too long holding the ball
He has a long wind up
He has limited arm strength throwing outside the hashes
He can't throw with anticipation
He does not throw with accuaracy to leverage points with consistency
He moves poorly in the pocket.
He can't find secondary targets downfield
Jones can only excel in a single read and run offense.
Long past time to find another QB
If you are going to denigrate Jones at least get the issues he has correct.
His problem is slow to read the defense post snap and failing to pull the trigger.
But other than that.... they need a new QB that can read quickly and react.
I think you're correct, too. We're both correct. What did I say about Jones that was untrue.
He is terrible pre-snap
He has trouble reading post snap
He doesn't sense the rush well
He stands too long holding the ball
He has a long wind up
He has limited arm strength throwing outside the hashes
He can't throw with anticipation
He does not throw with accuaracy to leverage points with consistency
He moves poorly in the pocket.
He can't find secondary targets downfield
Jones can only excel in a single read and run offense.
Long past time to find another QB
October 2023 registration... wonder whose troll account this is
Both of these guys look like improvements over Jones, but that doesn’t mean that they look like generational players that they are hyped to be. Each appears to have flaws that need to be corrected.
Am I the only one not concerned about Daniels' build?
he's 210 pounds with room to put on more. I think he'll be able to get up to 225. Jalen Hurts looks bigger to me than when he entered the league.
I think the concern with someone like Daniels is that what will the weight gain do to his athleticism. Not to mention all of the pressure to play Round 1 guys immediately you don’t have the luxury to let him wait and put on muscle mass.
the physical ability in the QB class this year I don’t know what to tell you. Fortunately it’s so evident the coaching and playcalling for the top QBs is actually so darn pretty awful with some caveats for LSU. Frankly I like college QBs having to deal with adversity. Makes them tougher. Makes them learn and work harder to win.
Also not sure if you watched Jones his last year at Duke. Some real big stinkers in there. Yet on physical eye tests, the guy rose like helium to go in top 6.
Jones is also highly (over)paid now and highly injured.
Maye has a terrific arm and mechanics. Needs to get more experience and coached up. Mack Brown sucks as a head coach and his staff is not good.
Williams has some concerns with ball control and playing streetball too much but to me there is no waiting. He will be #1 pick no matter what or who has it.
Daniels I’m a little concerned about the build but the release and ball placement and decisionmaking is exceptional.
Nix is a real wild card to me. Wouldn’t stun me to see him go somewhere and be rushed into duty too quickly. Also wouldn’t stun me to see him go somewhere and in Burrow esque fashion take league by force.
The question I have for people is, pretend Williams didn't play last year. Who would rank him no. 1 on this year's play alone? Not saying he's not worth it, but think about that for a minute. The problem with draft pundits is that once a guy is annointed as a god, they never change their opinion of him. And if you weren't anointed a top pick preseason it's damn near impossible to break into the top group. That's Daniels' problem. If you just go on their play this year it's Daniels, Penix, and then some combo of Williams, Maye and Nix with McCarthy trying to crack that group. That's the Burrow lesson.
It's just like preseason polls. If you're not in the top five or six teams based on last season's results it's almost impossible to crack that group.
He is terrible pre-snap
He has trouble reading post snap
He doesn't sense the rush well
He stands too long holding the ball
He has a long wind up
He has limited arm strength throwing outside the hashes
He can't throw with anticipation
He does not throw with accuaracy to leverage points with consistency
He moves poorly in the pocket.
He can't find secondary targets downfield
Jones can only excel in a single read and run offense.
Long past time to find another QB
If you are going to denigrate Jones at least get the issues he has correct.
His problem is slow to read the defense post snap and failing to pull the trigger.
But other than that.... they need a new QB that can read quickly and react.
I think you're correct, too. We're both correct. What did I say about Jones that was untrue.
75% of what y0u wrote. Example - his arm is plety strong to make any throw.
He is ok in the pocket, too - well if there is a pocket.
the physical ability in the QB class this year I don’t know what to tell you. Fortunately it’s so evident the coaching and playcalling for the top QBs is actually so darn pretty awful with some caveats for LSU. Frankly I like college QBs having to deal with adversity. Makes them tougher. Makes them learn and work harder to win.
Also not sure if you watched Jones his last year at Duke. Some real big stinkers in there. Yet on physical eye tests, the guy rose like helium to go in top 6.
Jones is also highly (over)paid now and highly injured.
Maye has a terrific arm and mechanics. Needs to get more experience and coached up. Mack Brown sucks as a head coach and his staff is not good.
Williams has some concerns with ball control and playing streetball too much but to me there is no waiting. He will be #1 pick no matter what or who has it.
Daniels I’m a little concerned about the build but the release and ball placement and decisionmaking is exceptional.
Nix is a real wild card to me. Wouldn’t stun me to see him go somewhere and be rushed into duty too quickly. Also wouldn’t stun me to see him go somewhere and in Burrow esque fashion take league by force.
The question I have for people is, pretend Williams didn't play last year. Who would rank him no. 1 on this year's play alone? Not saying he's not worth it, but think about that for a minute. The problem with draft pundits is that once a guy is annointed as a god, they never change their opinion of him. And if you weren't anointed a top pick preseason it's damn near impossible to break into the top group. That's Daniels' problem. If you just go on their play this year it's Daniels, Penix, and then some combo of Williams, Maye and Nix with McCarthy trying to crack that group. That's the Burrow lesson.
It's just like preseason polls. If you're not in the top five or six teams based on last season's results it's almost impossible to crack that group.
Bill Parcells was a big fan of having multiple years of evaluating a QB. There is a risk with one year starters that they can’t adjust when opposing DC’s have figured out a hole. The key to evaluating the QB’s that do well this year but don’t have the track record is to figure out why the jump. Is it something that will translate or is it just reps in a system with the same players.
Andrew Luck had bad games at Stanford. Peyton Manning had bad games at Tennessee. John Elway had bad games at Stanford. Dan Marino had awful games at Pitt. Aikman had putrid games at Oklahoma and UCLA.
Harrison or the Penn St T the top 2 in this draft. If the players are not worthy of a high pick don't use it trade down if the opportunity presents itself. To many teams waste high picks on QBs. Rosen darnold Willis and maybe Fields to name a few. We don't have to reach for one just to pick one. It does not make sense. I personally would like to trade down in this draft we have a lot of holes to fill.
The question I have for people is, pretend Williams didn't play last year. Who would rank him no. 1 on this year's play alone? Not saying he's not worth it, but think about that for a minute. The problem with draft pundits is that once a guy is annointed as a god, they never change their opinion of him. And if you weren't anointed a top pick preseason it's damn near impossible to break into the top group. That's Daniels' problem. If you just go on their play this year it's Daniels, Penix, and then some combo of Williams, Maye and Nix with McCarthy trying to crack that group. That's the Burrow lesson.
It's just like preseason polls. If you're not in the top five or six teams based on last season's results it's almost impossible to crack that group.
Bill Parcells was a big fan of having multiple years of evaluating a QB. There is a risk with one year starters that they can’t adjust when opposing DC’s have figured out a hole. The key to evaluating the QB’s that do well this year but don’t have the track record is to figure out why the jump. Is it something that will translate or is it just reps in a system with the same players.
Parcells rules for drafting a QB were:
- he must be a senior because they need time to develop and mature (not sure if that includes red shirt juniors).
- he must be a graduate because you want someone who takes his responsibilities seriously.
- he must be a three-year starter because you want to know his success is real and that he has been 'the guy' for a long period of time and can handle it.
- he must have at least 23 wins to keep the passing numbers in context with winning games.
So, he would take Daniels, who has all those things while I'm not sure Williams will graduate and he's at 22 wins. Don't think Maye meets any of those marks.
On the other hand, Parcells wouldn't have taken Burrow, Hurts, Mahomes or Rodgets.
the physical ability in the QB class this year I don’t know what to tell you. Fortunately it’s so evident the coaching and playcalling for the top QBs is actually so darn pretty awful with some caveats for LSU. Frankly I like college QBs having to deal with adversity. Makes them tougher. Makes them learn and work harder to win.
Also not sure if you watched Jones his last year at Duke. Some real big stinkers in there. Yet on physical eye tests, the guy rose like helium to go in top 6.
Jones is also highly (over)paid now and highly injured.
Maye has a terrific arm and mechanics. Needs to get more experience and coached up. Mack Brown sucks as a head coach and his staff is not good.
Williams has some concerns with ball control and playing streetball too much but to me there is no waiting. He will be #1 pick no matter what or who has it.
Daniels I’m a little concerned about the build but the release and ball placement and decisionmaking is exceptional.
Nix is a real wild card to me. Wouldn’t stun me to see him go somewhere and be rushed into duty too quickly. Also wouldn’t stun me to see him go somewhere and in Burrow esque fashion take league by force.
The question I have for people is, pretend Williams didn't play last year. Who would rank him no. 1 on this year's play alone? Not saying he's not worth it, but think about that for a minute. The problem with draft pundits is that once a guy is annointed as a god, they never change their opinion of him. And if you weren't anointed a top pick preseason it's damn near impossible to break into the top group. That's Daniels' problem. If you just go on their play this year it's Daniels, Penix, and then some combo of Williams, Maye and Nix with McCarthy trying to crack that group. That's the Burrow lesson.
It's just like preseason polls. If you're not in the top five or six teams based on last season's results it's almost impossible to crack that group.
That’s where the hard full evaluation process will be so important leading up to draft. Reviewing the whole body of work, pulling in different scouting opinion, testing etc.
Every QB will have warts. Burrow widely had a lot of skeptics about the one year at LSU and a stacked roster. In same breadth couple of the top QBs in Round 1 have been over drafted because teams over project guys. Lot of QBs have fallen through cracks because of perceived physical traits or lack of consistent starting/progression while in college.
About his passes earlier in the game. The release is quite quick and the arm strength is terrific, so overall the ball gets to the receiver fast. He is also very accurate. I was also trying to assess his pocket movement and I say it was pretty good, although may need some refining. Finally, he seemed to spot open receivers naturally and when he did the ball got there in a hurry.
that they are ignoring consequential holes in both Williams's and Maye's games.
I agree that we need to get past the hype. In all likelihood, one of these 3 QBs will fail at the NFL level. I think the risks with Williams in particular are obvious. But his qualities are also obvious.
Many on this site can’t separate how a team plays vs. how a player plays. We see it all the time here.
I’d suggest reading some of Sy’s player evaluations and stop looking at dumb crap like “they lost to Clemson” and “he cried in his mom’s lap.” We have 5 years of tape of a guy who is still reading defenses like it’s his first game, yet people want to keep him because of things like “remember that one game…”
That’s absurd. He’s the entire reason we are doing QB evaluations right now. And those that don’t want to pick a QB are constantly nit picking the college QBs because they are desperate to find reasons to stick with Jones, who they completely ignore the enormous flaws of because he won that one game that one time…
It’s 100% about Jones and whether these guys are worthy of using a high draft pick on. If we knew Jones was the guy we wouldn’t be needing to evaluate these QBs
that's fine. But, none of those reasons can have anything to do with Jones because both are presenting as much better QBs than he is. They are both, far and away better on the college level than Jones was and both are universally considered can't miss for the pros. Now, that doesn't literally mean either can't be a dud. But, it also makes it absurd to not want either because you think they aren't better than Jones.
But as long as Williams checks out without any red flags, I could get behind that in a big way.
But I'd also be ecstatic getting Penix, Nix or Daniels in round 2 or a trade up. I don't think any of us can really say for certain it's one way or the other.
But as long as Williams checks out without any red flags, I could get behind that in a big way.
But I'd also be ecstatic getting Penix, Nix or Daniels in round 2 or a trade up. I don't think any of us can really say for certain it's one way or the other.
Penix I wouldn't touch because of his extensive injury history. But, again, that is something to do with him. I don't think I would pass on any of the top QB prospects this year because of anything to do with Jones. That is how good they all are.
He is terrible pre-snap
He has trouble reading post snap
He doesn't sense the rush well
He stands too long holding the ball
He has a long wind up
He has limited arm strength throwing outside the hashes
He can't throw with anticipation
He does not throw with accuaracy to leverage points with consistency
He moves poorly in the pocket.
He can't find secondary targets downfield
Jones can only excel in a single read and run offense.
Long past time to find another QB
Need to look at the entire team they work with. Williams is special. Yes, he needs help but all QBs do. But his OL (and his HC) are totally inept.
Jayden Daniels has been the most impressive college QB imo
He is terrible pre-snap
He has trouble reading post snap
He doesn't sense the rush well
He stands too long holding the ball
He has a long wind up
He has limited arm strength throwing outside the hashes
He can't throw with anticipation
He does not throw with accuaracy to leverage points with consistency
He moves poorly in the pocket.
He can't find secondary targets downfield
Jones can only excel in a single read and run offense.
Long past time to find another QB
If you are going to denigrate Jones at least get the issues he has correct.
His problem is slow to read the defense post snap and failing to pull the trigger.
But other than that.... they need a new QB that can read quickly and react.
Also not sure if you watched Jones his last year at Duke. Some real big stinkers in there. Yet on physical eye tests, the guy rose like helium to go in top 6.
Jones is also highly (over)paid now and highly injured.
Maye has a terrific arm and mechanics. Needs to get more experience and coached up. Mack Brown sucks as a head coach and his staff is not good.
Williams has some concerns with ball control and playing streetball too much but to me there is no waiting. He will be #1 pick no matter what or who has it.
Daniels I’m a little concerned about the build but the release and ball placement and decisionmaking is exceptional.
Nix is a real wild card to me. Wouldn’t stun me to see him go somewhere and be rushed into duty too quickly. Also wouldn’t stun me to see him go somewhere and in Burrow esque fashion take league by force.
Lmao!
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But we know Daniel Jones is not a good starter.
He is terrible pre-snap
He has trouble reading post snap
He doesn't sense the rush well
He stands too long holding the ball
He has a long wind up
He has limited arm strength throwing outside the hashes
He can't throw with anticipation
He does not throw with accuaracy to leverage points with consistency
He moves poorly in the pocket.
He can't find secondary targets downfield
Jones can only excel in a single read and run offense.
Long past time to find another QB
If you are going to denigrate Jones at least get the issues he has correct.
His problem is slow to read the defense post snap and failing to pull the trigger.
But other than that.... they need a new QB that can read quickly and react.
I think you're correct, too. We're both correct. What did I say about Jones that was untrue.
He is terrible pre-snap
He has trouble reading post snap
He doesn't sense the rush well
He stands too long holding the ball
He has a long wind up
He has limited arm strength throwing outside the hashes
He can't throw with anticipation
He does not throw with accuaracy to leverage points with consistency
He moves poorly in the pocket.
He can't find secondary targets downfield
Jones can only excel in a single read and run offense.
Long past time to find another QB
October 2023 registration... wonder whose troll account this is
Yeah, if the average fan makes a commitment they can know more than Daboll and Schoen.
That’s where I am and because of that I m trying to get excited about a possible replacement
You can see some plays from Williams, like off platform throws. But overall. Especially after today, not all that excited about their performances
I think I ll just try to enjoy the final 7 Giants games of the season and let things play out
Holes are fine, Josh Allen had holes. The key is letting a HC like BD (and whatever his staff looks like next year) mold them into a pro QB.
Keep in mind too one of the "selling points" on Jones was he was pro ready because of his college coach. How's that working out
I think the concern with someone like Daniels is that what will the weight gain do to his athleticism. Not to mention all of the pressure to play Round 1 guys immediately you don’t have the luxury to let him wait and put on muscle mass.
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learning about football.
Yeah, if the average fan makes a commitment they can know more than Daboll and Schoen.
Probably not, but it's a much more attainable goal to know more than you. Probably knock that out in a single afternoon.
Also not sure if you watched Jones his last year at Duke. Some real big stinkers in there. Yet on physical eye tests, the guy rose like helium to go in top 6.
Jones is also highly (over)paid now and highly injured.
Maye has a terrific arm and mechanics. Needs to get more experience and coached up. Mack Brown sucks as a head coach and his staff is not good.
Williams has some concerns with ball control and playing streetball too much but to me there is no waiting. He will be #1 pick no matter what or who has it.
Daniels I’m a little concerned about the build but the release and ball placement and decisionmaking is exceptional.
Nix is a real wild card to me. Wouldn’t stun me to see him go somewhere and be rushed into duty too quickly. Also wouldn’t stun me to see him go somewhere and in Burrow esque fashion take league by force.
The question I have for people is, pretend Williams didn't play last year. Who would rank him no. 1 on this year's play alone? Not saying he's not worth it, but think about that for a minute. The problem with draft pundits is that once a guy is annointed as a god, they never change their opinion of him. And if you weren't anointed a top pick preseason it's damn near impossible to break into the top group. That's Daniels' problem. If you just go on their play this year it's Daniels, Penix, and then some combo of Williams, Maye and Nix with McCarthy trying to crack that group. That's the Burrow lesson.
It's just like preseason polls. If you're not in the top five or six teams based on last season's results it's almost impossible to crack that group.
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But we know Daniel Jones is not a good starter.
He is terrible pre-snap
He has trouble reading post snap
He doesn't sense the rush well
He stands too long holding the ball
He has a long wind up
He has limited arm strength throwing outside the hashes
He can't throw with anticipation
He does not throw with accuaracy to leverage points with consistency
He moves poorly in the pocket.
He can't find secondary targets downfield
Jones can only excel in a single read and run offense.
Long past time to find another QB
If you are going to denigrate Jones at least get the issues he has correct.
His problem is slow to read the defense post snap and failing to pull the trigger.
But other than that.... they need a new QB that can read quickly and react.
I think you're correct, too. We're both correct. What did I say about Jones that was untrue.
75% of what y0u wrote. Example - his arm is plety strong to make any throw.
He is ok in the pocket, too - well if there is a pocket.
You repeat the same issue in different forms...
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the physical ability in the QB class this year I don’t know what to tell you. Fortunately it’s so evident the coaching and playcalling for the top QBs is actually so darn pretty awful with some caveats for LSU. Frankly I like college QBs having to deal with adversity. Makes them tougher. Makes them learn and work harder to win.
Also not sure if you watched Jones his last year at Duke. Some real big stinkers in there. Yet on physical eye tests, the guy rose like helium to go in top 6.
Jones is also highly (over)paid now and highly injured.
Maye has a terrific arm and mechanics. Needs to get more experience and coached up. Mack Brown sucks as a head coach and his staff is not good.
Williams has some concerns with ball control and playing streetball too much but to me there is no waiting. He will be #1 pick no matter what or who has it.
Daniels I’m a little concerned about the build but the release and ball placement and decisionmaking is exceptional.
Nix is a real wild card to me. Wouldn’t stun me to see him go somewhere and be rushed into duty too quickly. Also wouldn’t stun me to see him go somewhere and in Burrow esque fashion take league by force.
The question I have for people is, pretend Williams didn't play last year. Who would rank him no. 1 on this year's play alone? Not saying he's not worth it, but think about that for a minute. The problem with draft pundits is that once a guy is annointed as a god, they never change their opinion of him. And if you weren't anointed a top pick preseason it's damn near impossible to break into the top group. That's Daniels' problem. If you just go on their play this year it's Daniels, Penix, and then some combo of Williams, Maye and Nix with McCarthy trying to crack that group. That's the Burrow lesson.
It's just like preseason polls. If you're not in the top five or six teams based on last season's results it's almost impossible to crack that group.
Bill Parcells was a big fan of having multiple years of evaluating a QB. There is a risk with one year starters that they can’t adjust when opposing DC’s have figured out a hole. The key to evaluating the QB’s that do well this year but don’t have the track record is to figure out why the jump. Is it something that will translate or is it just reps in a system with the same players.
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Caleb Williams in two seasons at USC:
• 599/888 (67%)
• 8,170 passing yards
• 518 rushing yards
• 72 passing TDs
• 21 rushing TDs
• 10 INTs
Welcome to Earth.
The question I have for people is, pretend Williams didn't play last year. Who would rank him no. 1 on this year's play alone? Not saying he's not worth it, but think about that for a minute. The problem with draft pundits is that once a guy is annointed as a god, they never change their opinion of him. And if you weren't anointed a top pick preseason it's damn near impossible to break into the top group. That's Daniels' problem. If you just go on their play this year it's Daniels, Penix, and then some combo of Williams, Maye and Nix with McCarthy trying to crack that group. That's the Burrow lesson.
It's just like preseason polls. If you're not in the top five or six teams based on last season's results it's almost impossible to crack that group.
Bill Parcells was a big fan of having multiple years of evaluating a QB. There is a risk with one year starters that they can’t adjust when opposing DC’s have figured out a hole. The key to evaluating the QB’s that do well this year but don’t have the track record is to figure out why the jump. Is it something that will translate or is it just reps in a system with the same players.
Parcells rules for drafting a QB were:
- he must be a senior because they need time to develop and mature (not sure if that includes red shirt juniors).
- he must be a graduate because you want someone who takes his responsibilities seriously.
- he must be a three-year starter because you want to know his success is real and that he has been 'the guy' for a long period of time and can handle it.
- he must have at least 23 wins to keep the passing numbers in context with winning games.
So, he would take Daniels, who has all those things while I'm not sure Williams will graduate and he's at 22 wins. Don't think Maye meets any of those marks.
On the other hand, Parcells wouldn't have taken Burrow, Hurts, Mahomes or Rodgets.
So let's use Parcells rules with a grain of salt.
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the physical ability in the QB class this year I don’t know what to tell you. Fortunately it’s so evident the coaching and playcalling for the top QBs is actually so darn pretty awful with some caveats for LSU. Frankly I like college QBs having to deal with adversity. Makes them tougher. Makes them learn and work harder to win.
Also not sure if you watched Jones his last year at Duke. Some real big stinkers in there. Yet on physical eye tests, the guy rose like helium to go in top 6.
Jones is also highly (over)paid now and highly injured.
Maye has a terrific arm and mechanics. Needs to get more experience and coached up. Mack Brown sucks as a head coach and his staff is not good.
Williams has some concerns with ball control and playing streetball too much but to me there is no waiting. He will be #1 pick no matter what or who has it.
Daniels I’m a little concerned about the build but the release and ball placement and decisionmaking is exceptional.
Nix is a real wild card to me. Wouldn’t stun me to see him go somewhere and be rushed into duty too quickly. Also wouldn’t stun me to see him go somewhere and in Burrow esque fashion take league by force.
The question I have for people is, pretend Williams didn't play last year. Who would rank him no. 1 on this year's play alone? Not saying he's not worth it, but think about that for a minute. The problem with draft pundits is that once a guy is annointed as a god, they never change their opinion of him. And if you weren't anointed a top pick preseason it's damn near impossible to break into the top group. That's Daniels' problem. If you just go on their play this year it's Daniels, Penix, and then some combo of Williams, Maye and Nix with McCarthy trying to crack that group. That's the Burrow lesson.
It's just like preseason polls. If you're not in the top five or six teams based on last season's results it's almost impossible to crack that group.
That’s where the hard full evaluation process will be so important leading up to draft. Reviewing the whole body of work, pulling in different scouting opinion, testing etc.
Every QB will have warts. Burrow widely had a lot of skeptics about the one year at LSU and a stacked roster. In same breadth couple of the top QBs in Round 1 have been over drafted because teams over project guys. Lot of QBs have fallen through cracks because of perceived physical traits or lack of consistent starting/progression while in college.
Will be fascinating follow.
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But the knee injury and two neck injuries aren't a joke.
That’s where I am and because of that I m trying to get excited about a possible replacement
You can see some plays from Williams, like off platform throws. But overall. Especially after today, not all that excited about their performances
I think I ll just try to enjoy the final 7 Giants games of the season and let things play out
Injuries missing multiple games in 4 of 5 pro seasons
Injuries in college missing games in 2 of 3 seasons
Multiple Games injuries in 6 of 8 seasons
2 neck, 2 concussions (one pro & one college) and a collarbone (college) injury all above shoulder injuries plus the ACL injury for a running QB
What do we have to lose?
A lot to like.
I agree that we need to get past the hype. In all likelihood, one of these 3 QBs will fail at the NFL level. I think the risks with Williams in particular are obvious. But his qualities are also obvious.
Projecting is tough.
Allen is a much better athlete and more dynamic. And Allen has an arm from Planet QB in another galaxy.
And I really like Maye. But that's a poor comp.
Allen is a much better athlete and more dynamic. And Allen has an arm from Planet QB in another galaxy.
And I really like Maye. But that's a poor comp.
I think he plays like Allen. Just not as good with the traits though as far as arm and running style. But maye is pretty good runner IMO
Do you know how absurd that is?
Do you know how absurd that is?
What was the year where Kerry Collins didn't throw a TD to a WR? Was that 2003?
I’d suggest reading some of Sy’s player evaluations and stop looking at dumb crap like “they lost to Clemson” and “he cried in his mom’s lap.” We have 5 years of tape of a guy who is still reading defenses like it’s his first game, yet people want to keep him because of things like “remember that one game…”
That’s absurd. He’s the entire reason we are doing QB evaluations right now. And those that don’t want to pick a QB are constantly nit picking the college QBs because they are desperate to find reasons to stick with Jones, who they completely ignore the enormous flaws of because he won that one game that one time…
It’s 100% about Jones and whether these guys are worthy of using a high draft pick on. If we knew Jones was the guy we wouldn’t be needing to evaluate these QBs
But as long as Williams checks out without any red flags, I could get behind that in a big way.
But I'd also be ecstatic getting Penix, Nix or Daniels in round 2 or a trade up. I don't think any of us can really say for certain it's one way or the other.
But as long as Williams checks out without any red flags, I could get behind that in a big way.
But I'd also be ecstatic getting Penix, Nix or Daniels in round 2 or a trade up. I don't think any of us can really say for certain it's one way or the other.
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DeVito has more TD passes right now than Daniel Jones.
Do you know how absurd that is?
What was the year where Kerry Collins didn't throw a TD to a WR? Was that 2003?
That was Kurt Warner in 2004.