Last week I posted the condensed game video highlights for the top college QB draft prospects and they were well received. Since I’m once more spending my early Sunday morning watching these videos, I thought I’d share the links from yesterday’s games again this week.
First up is
Caleb Williams… UCLA vs. USC in what was likely Caleb’s final game before being selected #1 overall by the Giants ;>)
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After yesterday, I'm back on slightly with one foot on the Caleb bandwagon. He definitely has a bit of Mahomes in him, but I'm still wary of what's between the ears. I'm hoping Schoen does a lot more due diligence on him because I'm also wondering about the 'leader of men' part. He doesn't seem as connected to his teammates as he should be. Oh, all the tools are there, for sure. But I'd like Schoen to figure out all the 'intangibles' angles, before taking the plunge.
Then there's Daniels. Lots to like as well. I'm hoping Schoen and the scouting staff starts focusing on him next. He's shooting up the charts, for sure.
Good post.
I think Faniels is great. However, he has more to work with, especially with regard to the OL. Williams' pocket is rarely clean.
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For those raving about this, throw, watch the video. The receiver has to slow down. If the DB does fall that pass is contested and likely incomplete. Compare it to Daniels' 70-yard TD to Thomas. He put it right on his hands at full speed, as he does most of his passes.
I think Faniels is great. However, he has more to work with, especially with regard to the OL. Williams' pocket is rarely clean.
Daniels. Who's Faniels?... :)
His fumbles are a lot of trying to do much but like stated previously, he has too. The team is just not that good. I mean the guy does have 90 TDs the last two years. He must be doing a few things right!
Not sure where to proceed with ball security question, except that since his rookie year Jones improved and the previous two saw him on the fast track.
Like blocking, you have to want to do it and work on it. Every QB has issues with INTs and fumbles.
It is truly the least of my concerns.
You can't teach how he throws a football.
You can teach ball security.
It's a much better predicament than the other way around.
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I go back and forth 3 or 4 times in every video. The arm talent is bananas. Even with some of today's modern arms, I'm not sure I've ever seen someone flick the ball so effortlessly. It's superhuman. But the ball security is such a concern, especially when you consider the sheer volume of turnovers our QBs have produced in the past 2 decades.
You can't teach how he throws a football.
You can teach ball security.
It's a much better predicament than the other way around.
Can you speed up his mechanics? Can he process the mental part of the game? That isn’t always teachable.
I agree. Maye didn’t help himself yesterday. I get that UNC was being manhandled a bit by Clemson, but he missed a lot of make-able throws.
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I go back and forth 3 or 4 times in every video. The arm talent is bananas. Even with some of today's modern arms, I'm not sure I've ever seen someone flick the ball so effortlessly. It's superhuman. But the ball security is such a concern, especially when you consider the sheer volume of turnovers our QBs have produced in the past 2 decades.
You can't teach how he throws a football.
You can teach ball security.
It's a much better predicament than the other way around.
Can you speed up his mechanics? Can he process the mental part of the game? That isn’t always teachable.
I don’t think it’s a matter of speeding him up, I think it’s more of him trying to do too much. I actually think his pocket awareness is pretty good, he just thinks his athleticism can get him out of bad situations. That, I think, is far more fixable than slow processing.
Fan of Jayden Daniels but IMO there was nothing really special about what he did yesterday throwing the ball (despite the big numbers.)
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I liked the idea of seeing JJ McCarthy in blue. I have recently cooled on him. His draft stock took a hit based on yesterday’s performance. My current Top 3: Williams, Daniels, and Maye.
I agree. Maye didn’t help himself yesterday. I get that UNC was being manhandled a bit by Clemson, but he missed a lot of make-able throws.
First game I watched Maye play. Last 3 quarters were pretty bad. 11/27 for 89 yards and a pick. Looked lost to me .
Then there’s Maye. He looks like a pro QB with plus skills, but Clemson’s superior defensive talent wore him down as this game went along. He didn’t elevate his team.
Daniel’s skill set is tremendous, but I don’t think he’s a Daboll type of QB.
If they are picking top of the draft, the ceiling has to be the key.
Projecting, both the top two guys have high ceilings BUT they have enough flaws that reaching it is a damn good question!
Not saying it’s a huge problem but it’s a reoccurring issue that speaks to his maturity if he wants to be considered a #1 overall choice. He puts himself above others and he’s still in college. Not great.
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Caleb Williams has “elected not to speak to the media” after the loss to UCLA, a USC spokesperson said.
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Who Caleb Williams is will be more important than what he is.
I go back and forth 3 or 4 times in every video. The arm talent is bananas. Even with some of today's modern arms, I'm not sure I've ever seen someone flick the ball so effortlessly. It's superhuman. But the ball security is such a concern, especially when you consider the sheer volume of turnovers our QBs have produced in the past 2 decades.
You can't teach how he throws a football.
You can teach ball security.
It's a much better predicament than the other way around.
Can you speed up his mechanics? Can he process the mental part of the game? That isn’t always teachable.
I don't know. But that applies to every prospect. The inherent risk of the entire draft...
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I liked the idea of seeing JJ McCarthy in blue. I have recently cooled on him. His draft stock took a hit based on yesterday’s performance. My current Top 3: Williams, Daniels, and Maye.
I agree. Maye didn’t help himself yesterday. I get that UNC was being manhandled a bit by Clemson, but he missed a lot of make-able throws.
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First game I watched Maye play. Last 3 quarters were pretty bad. 11/27 for 89 yards and a pick. Looked lost to me .
First full game I’ve watched, and other than some nice throws early, he was not good. It’s the first decent defense he’s played all year, that has to be a concern.
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Jumping up into the stands to be consoled by his mother while he breaks down in tears? You'll have to remind me when Rodgers did that.
So did Eli Apple.....
Mock all you want, but there are clearly some things to investigate here regarding his maturity.
We've had a number of first round picks now who were not mature enough and bombed because of it.
That is absolutely not what we are talking about.
Williams is a college kid and he just seems like he doesn’t think he has to do certain things or gain people’s trust/respect because he comes off as being above it. Big difference between that and Rodgers.
That raises a red flag for me. Is Williams degrading the OL’s ability to pass block? I see some clumsy pocket movement from him and other times he tends to hold the ball.
Kid is 21 and was upset they lost. This idea that this bad is insane.
Kid is 21 and was upset they lost. This idea that this bad is insane.
search for Eli Apple and get back to us....
Kid is 21 and was upset they lost. This idea that this bad is insane.
Yes.
And not addressing the media yesterday was an issue too.
How is he going to address the New York media after the Eagles slaughter him on national TV?
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Williams loves his mom, felt sad, and hugged his mom after the game.
Mock all you want, but there are clearly some things to investigate here regarding his maturity.
We've had a number of first round picks now who were not mature enough and bombed because of it.
Eric, you've mentioned the "Caleb crying" episode multiple times, so obviously YOU think that speaks to his maturity level.
Teams will certainly want to investigate "who" Williams is (as Sy put it) but I doubt they look at a kid getting emotional with his Mom as a red flag or a sign of immaturity.
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Williams loves his mom, felt sad, and hugged his mom after the game.
Mock all you want, but there are clearly some things to investigate here regarding his maturity.
We've had a number of first round picks now who were not mature enough and bombed because of it.
I get the concern. It's worth exploring.
If a team has the right support system in place, I believe these personality traits can be managed.
I'm not sure I would call the Giants avante-garde in managing Gen Z, but maybe with Schoen/Daboll are the right combination to deal with these situations...
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A player for crying after a loss? And being with family? I oukdnyounrsther him punch walls and throw equipment and blame his teammates?
Kid is 21 and was upset they lost. This idea that this bad is insane.
search for Eli Apple and get back to us....
Is this the once size fits all argument?
Maybe nothing. Might be something.
One thing to consider. Do the Giants favor Williams or Maye significantly? Or do they view them as interchangeable albeit with different skill sets? If the former is true - what if the Bears take the Giants' guy? Do they trade back and get more picks?
Maybe nothing. Might be something.
That's fine. We can certainly agree to disagree. However, unless I misread your answer to a previous post, it does appear that you would rather Caleb, "punch walls and throw equipment and blame his teammates" than jump into the stands and get emotional with his Mom.
If that's true it's kind of odd. But I'm also guessing if Caleb did any of those things instead of "crying" you'd be pointing to that as a sign of his immaturity instead.
Unless the Giants get the first pick, it will likely be a moot point anyway.
Plenty of athletes have “rare ability.” Can’t just take a guy based on play alone.
It seems that we all pick our favorite QB prospect and search for reasons to build him up, while ignoring what may be legitimate causes for concerns.
Then we do the exact opposite for the QB prospects we don’t like.
2b. Maye
4. Penix
5. Nix
2b. Maye
4. Penix
5. Nix
Yep ☝️
None of us know Caleb Williams but I certainly have some questions based on some of the things I’ve read.
Jayden Daniels, Bo Nix and Penix continue to impress, particularly the first two. Taking BPA and then trading back into the 1st for someone like Nix intrigues me.
You can teach ball security.