Top QB Prospects – Condensed Game Highlights from Yesterday

Apparently a number of Giants’ scouts were at the game watching BBI favorite Drake May in UNC vs. Clemson. Condensed game highlights linked below.

Maye - ( New Window )

Without giving away the result of this game, it should be noted that the Daniels and LSU should have had the easiest path to victory yesterday, as they entered the game against Georgia State as 31.5 point favorites. Condensed game highlights linked below.

Daniels - ( New Window )

Two of the highest-ranked teams went head-to-head yesterday, as Michael Penix and the undefeated Washington Huskies (5) faced the Oregon State Beavers (10) . Condensed game highlights linked below.

Penix - ( New Window )

Easy game for Bo Nix and the Oregon Ducks as they took on Arizona St. Condensed game highlights linked below.

Nix - ( New Window )

I didn’t think JJ McCarthy was one of the top QB prospects, which was why I choose not to include his game highlights last week. However, I saw an interview with a football insider on Rich Eisen’s show (can’t recall which one) who thinks that McCarthy will be the 3rd QB taken. So, I’ve included the Michigan vs. Maryland condensed game highlights this week.

If I missed a QB prospect that you think the Giants should consider, just do a YouTube search with the names of the two teams that played yesterday, followed by “condensed game highlights” and then include the link on this thread… or start your own thread.

McCarthy - ( New Window )

Thanks for doing this.

I think it’s clear that three QBs are probably going top 7ish unless they really find something on Daniels that no one is seeing this year.

I don’t understand why some are scorning on Williams. Despite having a bad OL and a terrible HC, he balled out yesterday and made some amazing plays despite constantly being under pressure.

I think people underestimate how strong physically he really is as a player. If we get the first pick - I would announce him as the first overall pick after week 18 of this season.

Several great passes. Still concerned about his pocket skills but Williams seemed better on that front than last week v Oregon. It is a development area.

Remember when Lincoln Riley was a candidate to step up to an NFL HC job? LOL.

From last week. Don’t think they made it into Jim’s thread.
Alabama v LSU 2023 - ( New Window )

In comment 16293692 JT039 said:

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Thanks for doing this. I think it’s clear that three QBs are probably going top 7ish unless they really find something on Daniels that no one is seeing this year. I don’t understand why some are scorning on Williams. Despite having a bad OL and a terrible HC, he balled out yesterday and made some amazing plays despite constantly being under pressure. I think people underestimate how strong physically he really is as a player. If we get the first pick - I would announce him as the first overall pick after week 18 of this season.

Williams might be worth the cost but the drawbacks are real:

1. He fumbles a lot.
2. He takes a long, long time to throw the ball. (https://247sports.com/college/usc/Board/29/Contents/caleb-williams-time-to-throwholding-the-ball-stats-219130466/)
3. A lot of his "hero" throws are resulting in turnovers.

At this point I prefer both Maye and Daniels. But... I suspect the key with Williams is going to be coaching, and how well he responds to it. The raw talent is remarkable.

Where a couple will fall to teams who will know how to take advantage of their skills and conversely a few who will be busts. I hope to hell the Giants are doing their homework!!!

This really looks like a solid QB class.

I liked the idea of seeing JJ McCarthy in blue. I have recently cooled on him. His draft stock took a hit based on yesterday’s performance. My current Top 3: Williams, Daniels, and Maye.

Daniels has shot past him. But, I would be happy with any, one of Williams, Maye, Daniels, or McCarthy.

For those raving about this, throw, watch the video. The receiver has to slow down. If the DB does fall that pass is contested and likely incomplete. Compare it to Daniels' 70-yard TD to Thomas. He put it right on his hands at full speed, as he does most of his passes.

Thanks.

After yesterday, I'm back on slightly with one foot on the Caleb bandwagon. He definitely has a bit of Mahomes in him, but I'm still wary of what's between the ears. I'm hoping Schoen does a lot more due diligence on him because I'm also wondering about the 'leader of men' part. He doesn't seem as connected to his teammates as he should be. Oh, all the tools are there, for sure. But I'd like Schoen to figure out all the 'intangibles' angles, before taking the plunge.

Then there's Daniels. Lots to like as well. I'm hoping Schoen and the scouting staff starts focusing on him next. He's shooting up the charts, for sure.

In comment 16293764 Spider43 said:

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Thanks. After yesterday, I'm back on slightly with one foot on the Caleb bandwagon. He definitely has a bit of Mahomes in him, but I'm still wary of what's between the ears. I'm hoping Schoen does a lot more due diligence on him because I'm also wondering about the 'leader of men' part. He doesn't seem as connected to his teammates as he should be. Oh, all the tools are there, for sure. But I'd like Schoen to figure out all the 'intangibles' angles, before taking the plunge. Then there's Daniels. Lots to like as well. I'm hoping Schoen and the scouting staff starts focusing on him next. He's shooting up the charts, for sure.

Good post.

In comment 16293747 k2tampa said:

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For those raving about this, throw, watch the video. The receiver has to slow down. If the DB does fall that pass is contested and likely incomplete. Compare it to Daniels' 70-yard TD to Thomas. He put it right on his hands at full speed, as he does most of his passes.

I think Faniels is great. However, he has more to work with, especially with regard to the OL. Williams' pocket is rarely clean.

In comment 16293779 SirLoinOfBeef said:

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In comment 16293747 k2tampa said: Quote: For those raving about this, throw, watch the video. The receiver has to slow down. If the DB does fall that pass is contested and likely incomplete. Compare it to Daniels' 70-yard TD to Thomas. He put it right on his hands at full speed, as he does most of his passes. I think Faniels is great. However, he has more to work with, especially with regard to the OL. Williams' pocket is rarely clean.

Daniels. Who's Faniels?... :)

Flaws will be corrected once he gets to the NFL.

His fumbles are a lot of trying to do much but like stated previously, he has too. The team is just not that good. I mean the guy does have 90 TDs the last two years. He must be doing a few things right!

I go back and forth 3 or 4 times in every video. The arm talent is bananas. Even with some of today's modern arms, I'm not sure I've ever seen someone flick the ball so effortlessly. It's superhuman. But the ball security is such a concern, especially when you consider the sheer volume of turnovers our QBs have produced in the past 2 decades.

In comment 16293787 j_rud said:

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I go back and forth 3 or 4 times in every video. The arm talent is bananas. Even with some of today's modern arms, I'm not sure I've ever seen someone flick the ball so effortlessly. It's superhuman. But the ball security is such a concern, especially when you consider the sheer volume of turnovers our QBs have produced in the past 2 decades.

Not sure where to proceed with ball security question, except that since his rookie year Jones improved and the previous two saw him on the fast track.
Like blocking, you have to want to do it and work on it. Every QB has issues with INTs and fumbles.

It is truly the least of my concerns.

In comment 16293787 j_rud said:

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I go back and forth 3 or 4 times in every video. The arm talent is bananas. Even with some of today's modern arms, I'm not sure I've ever seen someone flick the ball so effortlessly. It's superhuman. But the ball security is such a concern, especially when you consider the sheer volume of turnovers our QBs have produced in the past 2 decades.

You can't teach how he throws a football.

You can teach ball security.

It's a much better predicament than the other way around.

In comment 16293791 bw in dc said:

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In comment 16293787 j_rud said: Quote: I go back and forth 3 or 4 times in every video. The arm talent is bananas. Even with some of today's modern arms, I'm not sure I've ever seen someone flick the ball so effortlessly. It's superhuman. But the ball security is such a concern, especially when you consider the sheer volume of turnovers our QBs have produced in the past 2 decades. You can't teach how he throws a football. You can teach ball security. It's a much better predicament than the other way around.

Can you speed up his mechanics? Can he process the mental part of the game? That isn’t always teachable.

In comment 16293729 Reeses Pieces said:

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I liked the idea of seeing JJ McCarthy in blue. I have recently cooled on him. His draft stock took a hit based on yesterday’s performance. My current Top 3: Williams, Daniels, and Maye.

I agree. Maye didn’t help himself yesterday. I get that UNC was being manhandled a bit by Clemson, but he missed a lot of make-able throws.

In comment 16293794 Mike in NY said:

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In comment 16293791 bw in dc said: Quote: In comment 16293787 j_rud said: Quote: I go back and forth 3 or 4 times in every video. The arm talent is bananas. Even with some of today's modern arms, I'm not sure I've ever seen someone flick the ball so effortlessly. It's superhuman. But the ball security is such a concern, especially when you consider the sheer volume of turnovers our QBs have produced in the past 2 decades. You can't teach how he throws a football. You can teach ball security. It's a much better predicament than the other way around. Can you speed up his mechanics? Can he process the mental part of the game? That isn’t always teachable.

I don’t think it’s a matter of speeding him up, I think it’s more of him trying to do too much. I actually think his pocket awareness is pretty good, he just thinks his athleticism can get him out of bad situations. That, I think, is far more fixable than slow processing.

In comment 16293688 Jim in Tampa said:

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Without giving away the result of this game, it should be noted that the Daniels and LSU should have had the easiest path to victory yesterday, as they entered the game against Georgia State as 31.5 point favorites. Condensed game highlights linked below. Daniels - ( New Window )

Fan of Jayden Daniels but IMO there was nothing really special about what he did yesterday throwing the ball (despite the big numbers.)

I wanna see their lowlights to determine who was at fault. Were they wildly inaccurate, did they misread coverage, did they panic under pressure ? This will tell you more than their highlights.

In comment 16293798 Section331 said:

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In comment 16293729 Reeses Pieces said: Quote: I liked the idea of seeing JJ McCarthy in blue. I have recently cooled on him. His draft stock took a hit based on yesterday’s performance. My current Top 3: Williams, Daniels, and Maye. I agree. Maye didn’t help himself yesterday. I get that UNC was being manhandled a bit by Clemson, but he missed a lot of make-able throws.

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First game I watched Maye play. Last 3 quarters were pretty bad. 11/27 for 89 yards and a pick. Looked lost to me .

reminds me of the Giants. Caleb had to move around alot because they couldn't block.

in college football. I look at the talent and think how a better discipline and development environment and redshirt year in 2024 in the pros would help guys like Williams and Maye.

either. He does some stuff with the changing arm angles that I’ve never seen (even from Mahomes). But he has some obvious flaws and I wonder about his personality in the NY market.

Then there’s Maye. He looks like a pro QB with plus skills, but Clemson’s superior defensive talent wore him down as this game went along. He didn’t elevate his team.

Daniel’s skill set is tremendous, but I don’t think he’s a Daboll type of QB.

If they are picking top of the draft, the ceiling has to be the key.
Projecting, both the top two guys have high ceilings BUT they have enough flaws that reaching it is a damn good question!

Williams declined to speak to the media after the loss.

Not saying it’s a huge problem but it’s a reoccurring issue that speaks to his maturity if he wants to be considered a #1 overall choice. He puts himself above others and he’s still in college. Not great.

with Caleb is still these kinds of things, which keep popping up.

Ryan Kartje
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Caleb Williams has “elected not to speak to the media” after the loss to UCLA, a USC spokesperson said.

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Correct

Who Caleb Williams is will be more important than what he is.

In comment 16293794 Mike in NY said:

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In comment 16293791 bw in dc said: I go back and forth 3 or 4 times in every video. The arm talent is bananas. Even with some of today's modern arms, I'm not sure I've ever seen someone flick the ball so effortlessly. It's superhuman. But the ball security is such a concern, especially when you consider the sheer volume of turnovers our QBs have produced in the past 2 decades. You can't teach how he throws a football. You can teach ball security. It's a much better predicament than the other way around. Can you speed up his mechanics? Can he process the mental part of the game? That isn’t always teachable.

I don't know. But that applies to every prospect. The inherent risk of the entire draft...

The personality of a Rodgers. And if that’s so and he plays like him, sign me up!

In comment 16293819 averagejoe said:

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In comment 16293798 Section331 said: Quote: In comment 16293729 Reeses Pieces said: Quote: I liked the idea of seeing JJ McCarthy in blue. I have recently cooled on him. His draft stock took a hit based on yesterday’s performance. My current Top 3: Williams, Daniels, and Maye. I agree. Maye didn’t help himself yesterday. I get that UNC was being manhandled a bit by Clemson, but he missed a lot of make-able throws. . First game I watched Maye play. Last 3 quarters were pretty bad. 11/27 for 89 yards and a pick. Looked lost to me .

First full game I’ve watched, and other than some nice throws early, he was not good. It’s the first decent defense he’s played all year, that has to be a concern.

In comment 16293880 JT039 said:

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The personality of a Rodgers. And if that’s so and he plays like him, sign me up!

???

Jumping up into the stands to be consoled by his mother while he breaks down in tears? You'll have to remind me when Rodgers did that.

Williams loves his mom, felt sad, and hugged his mom after the game.

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Williams loves his mom, felt sad, and hugged his mom after the game.

So did Eli Apple.....

In comment 16293899 bw in dc said:

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Williams loves his mom, felt sad, and hugged his mom after the game.

Mock all you want, but there are clearly some things to investigate here regarding his maturity.

We've had a number of first round picks now who were not mature enough and bombed because of it.

In comment 16293899 bw in dc said:

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Williams loves his mom, felt sad, and hugged his mom after the game.

That is absolutely not what we are talking about.

Maybe he will mature and change but Williams’ personality is not at all like Aaron Rodgers. Rodgers might be a bit of a dick sometimes but he’s always treated the media well and speaks his mind but he’s earned it.

Williams is a college kid and he just seems like he doesn’t think he has to do certain things or gain people’s trust/respect because he comes off as being above it. Big difference between that and Rodgers.

In comment 16293828 mdthedream said:

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reminds me of the Giants. Caleb had to move around alot because they couldn't block.

That raises a red flag for me. Is Williams degrading the OL’s ability to pass block? I see some clumsy pocket movement from him and other times he tends to hold the ball.

A player for crying after a loss? And being with family? I oukdnyounrsther him punch walls and throw equipment and blame his teammates?

Kid is 21 and was upset they lost. This idea that this bad is insane.

In comment 16293955 JT039 said:

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A player for crying after a loss? And being with family? I oukdnyounrsther him punch walls and throw equipment and blame his teammates? Kid is 21 and was upset they lost. This idea that this bad is insane.

search for Eli Apple and get back to us....

In comment 16293955 JT039 said:

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A player for crying after a loss? And being with family? I oukdnyounrsther him punch walls and throw equipment and blame his teammates? Kid is 21 and was upset they lost. This idea that this bad is insane.

Yes.

And not addressing the media yesterday was an issue too.

How is he going to address the New York media after the Eagles slaughter him on national TV?

In comment 16293908 Eric from BBI said:

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In comment 16293899 bw in dc said: Quote: Williams loves his mom, felt sad, and hugged his mom after the game. Mock all you want, but there are clearly some things to investigate here regarding his maturity. We've had a number of first round picks now who were not mature enough and bombed because of it.

Eric, you've mentioned the "Caleb crying" episode multiple times, so obviously YOU think that speaks to his maturity level.

Teams will certainly want to investigate "who" Williams is (as Sy put it) but I doubt they look at a kid getting emotional with his Mom as a red flag or a sign of immaturity.

In comment 16293908 Eric from BBI said:

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In comment 16293899 bw in dc said: Quote: Williams loves his mom, felt sad, and hugged his mom after the game. Mock all you want, but there are clearly some things to investigate here regarding his maturity. We've had a number of first round picks now who were not mature enough and bombed because of it.

I get the concern. It's worth exploring.

If a team has the right support system in place, I believe these personality traits can be managed.

I'm not sure I would call the Giants avante-garde in managing Gen Z, but maybe with Schoen/Daboll are the right combination to deal with these situations...

In comment 16293959 section125 said:

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In comment 16293955 JT039 said: Quote: A player for crying after a loss? And being with family? I oukdnyounrsther him punch walls and throw equipment and blame his teammates? Kid is 21 and was upset they lost. This idea that this bad is insane. search for Eli Apple and get back to us....

Is this the once size fits all argument?