Those of you upset that they won need to understand that professional athletes have way too much pride to go out and lose on purpose. That and they have jobs to play for, the tanking rhetoric and just noise from fans and it's stupid.
First of all, no person in the history of people suggested that players tank. But management can tank by trading players. And even if management doesn't tank, fans rooting for teams to lose is not the same thing as players playing to lose. No one has ever suggested players tank. This is the biggest strawman of all time. Doesn't mean you as a fan can't hope the team loses regardless.
1/3 of this roster will be gone in a year and likely 1/2 or more within 2 years I don’t buy the whole “togetherness” we win thing.
This was a big game for the coaches much much moreso than the players.
Players play for jobs. 26 guys aren't under contract after this year, but they are living and playing in the moment. Last thing they want is to have a reputation as being a quitter because it could affect their future.
I played on a few bad teams when I played sports, but I always wanted to go out and dominate whoever we played regardless of what our record was.
Tanking builds a horrible culture and a non-trust in your leadership. Screw that. Go Giants!
Ahhhh yes, the wonderful culture of 4-13 will be a lot better than the culture at 2-15.
The draft is not an absolute. Truthfully it's a crapshoot. Imagine tanking this year and drafting a rookie top projected QB only to have the same record again next year.
Tanking builds a horrible culture and a non-trust in your leadership. Screw that. Go Giants!
Ahhhh yes, the wonderful culture of 4-13 will be a lot better than the culture at 2-15.
The draft is not an absolute. Truthfully it's a crapshoot. Imagine tanking this year and drafting a rookie top projected QB only to have the same record again next year.
I thought we dispensed with this whole graft is a crapshoot canard.
Yes there is risk in every pick but it is a mathematical certainty that earlier picks produce more great players than later picks.
The Giants traded one of their five best defenders and made no attempt to even bring in an experienced starting quarterback after Jones got hurt. This is tanking.
The problem is Tommy DeVito is showing to be an upgrade at quarterback.
Between the players tanking and fans wanting losses for draft position. I've constant told people the players don't tank. But that isn't what fans want. I would have been very happy today to see young guys play well and lose a close game. I never expected the players to tank.
The Giants traded one of their five best defenders and made no attempt to even bring in an experienced starting quarterback after Jones got hurt. This is tanking.
The problem is Tommy DeVito is showing to be an upgrade at quarterback.
The Giants traded one of their five best defenders and made no attempt to even bring in an experienced starting quarterback after Jones got hurt. This is tanking.
The problem is Tommy DeVito is showing to be an upgrade at quarterback.
Eh, they got a great deal on a player they were unlikely to re-sign, so that is not really a tank. Well maybe it is. If they shipped out Barkley and McKinney I would agree wholeheartedly.
I don't care nor do I want a "vet" QB. Who out there is worth a shit? They need a backup next year when TT is gone. Why not find if DeVito can be a backup. It is looking like he can be. It will likely be Jones as backup after they draft a QB in the 1st round.
The commanders lost this game (basically seemed like they were throwing it).
We won the turnover battle 6-0 and barely won. Not sure that is great for any "carry over" success. More like the Commanders handed us so many turnovers.
Tanking builds a horrible culture and a non-trust in your leadership. Screw that. Go Giants!
Ahhhh yes, the wonderful culture of 4-13 will be a lot better than the culture at 2-15.
The draft is not an absolute. Truthfully it's a crapshoot. Imagine tanking this year and drafting a rookie top projected QB only to have the same record again next year.
Ok, you want to maximize your chances. A higher pick gives you better odds, a few meaningless wins mean nothing. Honest question what good did today's win have? I can't think of one good thing.
I hate the idea of tanking. Look how many high picks teams like the Lions and Browns have had over the years. And look at how that worked out for them. Successful teams have a winning mentality and never give up.
Tanking builds a horrible culture and a non-trust in your leadership. Screw that. Go Giants!
Ahhhh yes, the wonderful culture of 4-13 will be a lot better than the culture at 2-15.
The draft is not an absolute. Truthfully it's a crapshoot. Imagine tanking this year and drafting a rookie top projected QB only to have the same record again next year.
Some people don't realize.
Jets tanked for Zach Wilson. 49ers traded up multiple 1sts for Trey Lance. Lots of shit quarterbacks are drafted every single year and not all top 3 picks work out.
Tanking builds a horrible culture and a non-trust in your leadership. Screw that. Go Giants!
Ahhhh yes, the wonderful culture of 4-13 will be a lot better than the culture at 2-15.
Not putting in your best effort to win a game does have major impact on the players and their future prospects.. Also getting your ass kicked every week has a negative impact on players earnings..
It's wasted energy. Do you think Daboll wants a 2-15 record attached to his resume? No way. Everyone is so sure he'd be back no matter what, I don't know. 2-15 is historically bad.
I knew Mara would especially pay attention to the WSH, NE, GB games. They are all winnable. Today's win helped quiet the noise.
2-15 is hard to do, it required luck and incompetence.
Ultimately Schoen & Daboll will need to figure out QB and that will most likely be attempted in 5 months via the draft.
DeVito threw for 3 TD's today, something that wasn't done since December of 2019. I think today hurt Jones. There is no $40M difference.
Tanking builds a horrible culture and a non-trust in your leadership. Screw that. Go Giants!
Ahhhh yes, the wonderful culture of 4-13 will be a lot better than the culture at 2-15.
Not putting in your best effort to win a game does have major impact on the players and their future prospects.. Also getting your ass kicked every week has a negative impact on players earnings..
I hate the idea of tanking. Look how many high picks teams like the Lions and Browns have had over the years. And look at how that worked out for them. Successful teams have a winning mentality and never give up.
Successful teams have good players. The culture, in reality, comes after the winning in most cases.
But I've been on lousy teams with great culture and great teams with lousy culture. Talent wins games, not attitude, especially at this level.
It's wasted energy. Do you think Daboll wants a 2-15 record attached to his resume? No way. Everyone is so sure he'd be back no matter what, I don't know. 2-15 is historically bad.
Exactly. Getting the first pick doesn't do anything for Daboll if he gets fired.
It's just going to cost them more to get their guy.
Right now Bryce Young doesn't look worth the trade up while Stroud has played well with no trade up.
The interview process will be telling. There are so many variables we don't know.
-Will the Bears stick with Fields/trade down or go QB?
-Will the Cardinals stick with Murray/trade down or go QB?
This looks like a good class which goes beyond Williams & Maye. If Schoen/Daboll identify someone like Jayden Daniels, Bo Nix or Michael Penix that they like most, they should have options. If they think Williams or Maye separate themselves, I have no doubt Schoen will be aggressive like Buffalo was with Allen.
This draft isn't about taking the best OT or WR. It's about identifying the QB going forward and getting him.
If in the process, Tommy DeVito proves to be a serviceable backup QB, that's gravy.
The Giants traded one of their five best defenders and made no attempt to even bring in an experienced starting quarterback after Jones got hurt. This is tanking.
The problem is Tommy DeVito is showing to be an upgrade at quarterback.
So many of you guys continue to take shots at Jones even though he has been a non participant for most of the season even to the point of such silliness as DeVito is a better quarterback
the fact that these giants ain't them losing browns....yeah, they out coached/played rivera, but that is not unexpected. good for Tommy cause, I also went to Syracuse. It warms my heart to see his mom and dad in the stadium, appreciating his son do so well...on the giant stage... Tommy is doing his best Jeff Hostetler impersonation! and now its onto the pats....my advise? enjoy every moment and look forward to 2024, because the roster has lots to be hopeful for!
The Giants traded one of their five best defenders and made no attempt to even bring in an experienced starting quarterback after Jones got hurt. This is tanking.
The problem is Tommy DeVito is showing to be an upgrade at quarterback.
So many of you guys continue to take shots at Jones even though he has been a non participant for most of the season even to the point of such silliness as DeVito is a better quarterback
It s weird obsession
The unrestrained hate directed at Jones borders on the obscene. It's like he personally insulted their families.
Give it a rest, already. Can't people celebrate the rook without giving DJ another shot? So it's looking like a bad fit, but Christ almighty it's being beaten like an old rug.
RE: RE: Fans bitching about other fans not rooting
for losses is hilarious to me. Neither has any impact on the outcome of these games. Perfectly fine to want the Giants to win.
But wait till next fall when all these posters who want to get to 4 or 5 wins will be bitching about being stuck with Jones at QB.
If we are stuck with Jones at QB it’s because Schoen, or whoever the GM is, didn’t do their jobs. There’s plenty of quarterbacks that come out, not just the top 3 guys.
This was a big game for the coaches much much moreso than the players.
I fully expect this win lend a spark to this team leading to competitive games going forward.
Giants will draft where they draft, it is obvious they have not quit on this season, even though many Bbi ers have.
We had a winning record and a playoff win last year?
How did that winning culture carryover to this year?
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Tanking builds a horrible culture and a non-trust in your leadership. Screw that. Go Giants!
We had a winning record and a playoff win last year?
How did that winning culture carryover to this year?
I love the culture warriors.
Ahhhh yes, the wonderful culture of 4-13 will be a lot better than the culture at 2-15.
This was a big game for the coaches much much moreso than the players.
Players play for jobs. 26 guys aren't under contract after this year, but they are living and playing in the moment. Last thing they want is to have a reputation as being a quitter because it could affect their future.
I played on a few bad teams when I played sports, but I always wanted to go out and dominate whoever we played regardless of what our record was.
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Tanking builds a horrible culture and a non-trust in your leadership. Screw that. Go Giants!
Ahhhh yes, the wonderful culture of 4-13 will be a lot better than the culture at 2-15.
The draft is not an absolute. Truthfully it's a crapshoot. Imagine tanking this year and drafting a rookie top projected QB only to have the same record again next year.
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Tanking builds a horrible culture and a non-trust in your leadership. Screw that. Go Giants!
Ahhhh yes, the wonderful culture of 4-13 will be a lot better than the culture at 2-15.
The draft is not an absolute. Truthfully it's a crapshoot. Imagine tanking this year and drafting a rookie top projected QB only to have the same record again next year.
I thought we dispensed with this whole graft is a crapshoot canard.
Yes there is risk in every pick but it is a mathematical certainty that earlier picks produce more great players than later picks.
The problem is Tommy DeVito is showing to be an upgrade at quarterback.
The problem is Tommy DeVito is showing to be an upgrade at quarterback.
Ayyyyyyyy, you're talking about my boy, Tommy.
The problem is Tommy DeVito is showing to be an upgrade at quarterback.
Eh, they got a great deal on a player they were unlikely to re-sign, so that is not really a tank. Well maybe it is. If they shipped out Barkley and McKinney I would agree wholeheartedly.
I don't care nor do I want a "vet" QB. Who out there is worth a shit? They need a backup next year when TT is gone. Why not find if DeVito can be a backup. It is looking like he can be. It will likely be Jones as backup after they draft a QB in the 1st round.
We won the turnover battle 6-0 and barely won. Not sure that is great for any "carry over" success. More like the Commanders handed us so many turnovers.
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Tanking builds a horrible culture and a non-trust in your leadership. Screw that. Go Giants!
Ahhhh yes, the wonderful culture of 4-13 will be a lot better than the culture at 2-15.
The draft is not an absolute. Truthfully it's a crapshoot. Imagine tanking this year and drafting a rookie top projected QB only to have the same record again next year.
Ok, you want to maximize your chances. A higher pick gives you better odds, a few meaningless wins mean nothing. Honest question what good did today's win have? I can't think of one good thing.
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Tanking builds a horrible culture and a non-trust in your leadership. Screw that. Go Giants!
Ahhhh yes, the wonderful culture of 4-13 will be a lot better than the culture at 2-15.
The draft is not an absolute. Truthfully it's a crapshoot. Imagine tanking this year and drafting a rookie top projected QB only to have the same record again next year.
Some people don't realize.
Jets tanked for Zach Wilson. 49ers traded up multiple 1sts for Trey Lance. Lots of shit quarterbacks are drafted every single year and not all top 3 picks work out.
They just have to accept one of the outcomes of treading water to keep their jobs, is a harder path to getting the players needed to succeed.
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Tanking builds a horrible culture and a non-trust in your leadership. Screw that. Go Giants!
Ahhhh yes, the wonderful culture of 4-13 will be a lot better than the culture at 2-15.
Not putting in your best effort to win a game does have major impact on the players and their future prospects.. Also getting your ass kicked every week has a negative impact on players earnings..
I knew Mara would especially pay attention to the WSH, NE, GB games. They are all winnable. Today's win helped quiet the noise.
2-15 is hard to do, it required luck and incompetence.
Ultimately Schoen & Daboll will need to figure out QB and that will most likely be attempted in 5 months via the draft.
DeVito threw for 3 TD's today, something that wasn't done since December of 2019. I think today hurt Jones. There is no $40M difference.
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Tanking builds a horrible culture and a non-trust in your leadership. Screw that. Go Giants!
Ahhhh yes, the wonderful culture of 4-13 will be a lot better than the culture at 2-15.
Not putting in your best effort to win a game does have major impact on the players and their future prospects.. Also getting your ass kicked every week has a negative impact on players earnings..
We all know the players are trying.
Successful teams have good players. The culture, in reality, comes after the winning in most cases.
But I've been on lousy teams with great culture and great teams with lousy culture. Talent wins games, not attitude, especially at this level.
Exactly. Getting the first pick doesn't do anything for Daboll if he gets fired.
It's just going to cost them more to get their guy.
But wait till next fall when all these posters who want to get to 4 or 5 wins will be bitching about being stuck with Jones at QB.
The interview process will be telling. There are so many variables we don't know.
-Will the Bears stick with Fields/trade down or go QB?
-Will the Cardinals stick with Murray/trade down or go QB?
This looks like a good class which goes beyond Williams & Maye. If Schoen/Daboll identify someone like Jayden Daniels, Bo Nix or Michael Penix that they like most, they should have options. If they think Williams or Maye separate themselves, I have no doubt Schoen will be aggressive like Buffalo was with Allen.
This draft isn't about taking the best OT or WR. It's about identifying the QB going forward and getting him.
If in the process, Tommy DeVito proves to be a serviceable backup QB, that's gravy.
The problem is Tommy DeVito is showing to be an upgrade at quarterback.
So many of you guys continue to take shots at Jones even though he has been a non participant for most of the season even to the point of such silliness as DeVito is a better quarterback
It s weird obsession
If they completely dog it they don't have guaranteed contracts and could be cut/waived
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The Giants traded one of their five best defenders and made no attempt to even bring in an experienced starting quarterback after Jones got hurt. This is tanking.
The problem is Tommy DeVito is showing to be an upgrade at quarterback.
So many of you guys continue to take shots at Jones even though he has been a non participant for most of the season even to the point of such silliness as DeVito is a better quarterback
It s weird obsession
The unrestrained hate directed at Jones borders on the obscene. It's like he personally insulted their families.
Give it a rest, already. Can't people celebrate the rook without giving DJ another shot? So it's looking like a bad fit, but Christ almighty it's being beaten like an old rug.
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for losses is hilarious to me. Neither has any impact on the outcome of these games. Perfectly fine to want the Giants to win.
But wait till next fall when all these posters who want to get to 4 or 5 wins will be bitching about being stuck with Jones at QB.
If we are stuck with Jones at QB it’s because Schoen, or whoever the GM is, didn’t do their jobs. There’s plenty of quarterbacks that come out, not just the top 3 guys.
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