I just watched the post game press conference and noticed how candid Daboll was about the 9 sacks. He said they were not all on the OL and they need to do a better job of making some of those not sacks.
I think DeVito throws a good ball, but there is no doubt he held onto the ball too long on a few of those sacks. Not sure if that can be coached out of him,
I've also heard Daboll describe DeVito as having "juice" multiple times now. Add this in with that he told Joe Buck and Troy Aikman prior to the Seahawks game about needing to get Jones going. I think we know what kind of QB personality Daboll will like during the draft process. It seems he wants some swagger at the position.
2 necks, 1 ACL, the Microsoft touch incident against Seattle.
They’re bringing in competition.
I think some here might be go crazy if it’s in Nix, Penix type toward the back of round 1 or round 2 but Schoen is going to have to match the value with their positioning.
Side note at the top of this draft, I don’t think the Cards or the Bears are taking a QB. I think the Bears especially will want MHjr to pair with Fields. With the Bears other pick and the Cards pick, I think you’ll see trades down or non-QB BPA.
Perhaps Devito was late a time or two more, but that was totally expected.
Despite the nine sacks, he didn't turn the ball over and threw for three touchdowns, and made some really big throws in key situations.
In other words, he's still green as grass even in terms of practice snaps.
He’s not backing down in any way, shape or form and you can see how far just having some balls gets you in this league.
He’s not without talent either. If he can continue to learn and process what he’s seeing he’s got a shot to stick around as a backup.
Despite the nine sacks, he didn't turn the ball over and threw for three touchdowns, and made some really big throws in key situations.
Bingo — he really did play well today. Maybe even shockingly well. If it wasn’t Washington I may have fainted from the sheer shock of seeing this team hit a nice passing play or two.
Do this a few more times and the kid may have the makings of a career or at least the impressions of one. Why not.. wtf man we need a break.
I know the draft but We should all want to see wins — not because of what the wins do for the standings but more that it shows this team has some fight in it. Better yet if Devito keeps playing well it speaks to the Daboll system. We need some fucking hope here this year.
Remember how bad 1998 was? They started off that year bad — something like 4-8. Similar second half slump to this season. 1997 playoff year no one saw coming then they struggle in year 2. That 98 team Finished strong and got to 500. 99 wasn’t much better but once fassel got the qb his team took off for a few years.
Point is, As much as I want the perfect draft pick, we all do, It’s pretty scary to think about the future if we don’t show any fight at all here in this last stretch of games. Today didn’t hurt no matter what anyone says here. But I say today didn’t hurt with the hopeful belief that the giants back this one up a little bit with some more decent football. Maybe I am just wishful thinking…..probably.
In other words, he's still green as grass even in terms of practice snaps.
That part is just hard to understand. You have all offseason, training camp, and then the season, and yet 2nd and 3rd string QBs simply do not get sufficient work to run the offense. We often times hear that they don't get an opportunity to run with the 1s.
Nonetheless, it was frustrating seeing him take so many sacks, but for what you said I couldn't be too mad with him. He balled out all things considered.
Happy for devito. Great game all things considered.
Best thing about today was it felt like we finally had the coaches we had last year back.
Styles make fights and Washington is our bitch for whatever reason. But the offense had a good plan that was within their capabilities to execute. Defense balled out.
We were 10 pt dogs and finally felt like coaching gave us an advantage. I felt like that often last year.
As he becomes more comfortable with the offense and where guys are going to be - throwing it away becomes easier.
Right now he's probably holding the ball and taking the sack to avoid the turnover IMO.
Geezus Dave, even on baseball threads you fail to see the forest because of the trees.
Not saying the OL doesn't need a lots of help, but DeVito obviously was holding the ball far too long on several of the snaps, most of which he could have just thrown away. Bobby Skinner said on a couple(or more) he had wide open WRs.
As Eric said, he's had very few snaps up until now. You can see the improvement each week in him making reads and getting the ball out. He still is not 100% just believing his reads, but when he does he makes VG throws.
Obviously he is not the answer, but he may very well be good enough to be the backup next year. He has six games(I think if he keeps improving TT will not be the starter when he comes off IL) to show further improvement.
Another thing, if he keeps moving the offense, it will be further proof that Jones is the issue and it is time to move on.
Yelling at players on the sidelines- on national TV
Yelling at coaches on the sidelines
not the way to go
Kid is in his second start and had no chance against Dallas.
Can't you give him a little more credit for what he accomplished.
The teaching should be in the film room not on TV
And oddly, he almost never was able to escape or break an arm tackle to free himself once he started to take off. He had some running lanes too.
He had a very good game though. Needs to learn to throw the ball away sometimes and not take a negative play, especially on first down.
Yelling at players on the sidelines- on national TV
Yelling at coaches on the sidelines
not the way to go
Kid is in his second start and had no chance against Dallas.
Can't you give him a little more credit for what he accomplished.
The teaching should be in the film room not on TV
You must have despised Bill Parcells.
Yelling at players on the sidelines- on national TV
Yelling at coaches on the sidelines
not the way to go
Kid is in his second start and had no chance against Dallas.
Can't you give him a little more credit for what he accomplished.
The teaching should be in the film room not on TV
I agree with you on many things, on this I do not. He is a fiery guy. Correct it now especially the bonehead plays. It makes for great TV drama to see the HC get animated. I think your POV is greatly exaggerated on Daboll and his tiffs. Poeple also read too much into his exchanges, especially with the coaches(Wink).
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Daboll needs to look in the mirror
Yelling at players on the sidelines- on national TV
Yelling at coaches on the sidelines
not the way to go
Kid is in his second start and had no chance against Dallas.
Can't you give him a little more credit for what he accomplished.
The teaching should be in the film room not on TV
You must have despised Bill Parcells.
I truly wonder if there’s another fanbase on the planet that gets so sensitive about the HC having animated conversations with players? It’s one of the strangest things with Giants fans. All the players and coaches constantly get asked about it and they always say they have no problem with it and they love that Dabs is Dabs and he wears his emotions on his sleeve. Yet, the fans get all offended. Such a sensitive bunch, Giants fans
It's just as foolish (perhaps more so) to conclude that there can only be one cause.
The flip side is, unlike Howell, DeVito didn't turn it over. Taking a sack is better than throwing a pick. Which is also what DJ did, although DJ faced far more jailbreaks this season.
Either way the interior OL play was, first reaction without tape, pretty bad last night. But I'd expect half as many or fewer sacks had TT or DJ in there.
Despite the nine sacks, he didn't turn the ball over and threw for three touchdowns, and made some really big throws in key situations.
This is why when Jones went down, I posted that he start, based on what we saw preseason.
I must say, until this week, I was feeling sheepish about that suggestion.
Key points of observation from yesterday.
He throws a good ball. Strong arm.
Tough kid. Keeps fighting. Next play mentality.
Can run when needed.
Holds the ball too long.
Runs into sacks. Like a squirrel at times.
Does not see open receivers.
Based on the limited information he seems like he could be a decent cost-controlled backup QB which would be a great find.
Key points of observation from yesterday.
He throws a good ball. Strong arm.
Tough kid. Keeps fighting. Next play mentality.
Can run when needed.
Holds the ball too long.
Runs into sacks. Like a squirrel at times.
Does not see open receivers.
Based on the limited information he seems like he could be a decent cost-controlled backup QB which would be a great find.
Based on your description above, I think we should be worried that the Giants will put a $40M valuation on DeVito.
Wonder if that was part of Daboll's take.
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Realistically did a great job for undrafted rookie.
Key points of observation from yesterday.
He throws a good ball. Strong arm.
Tough kid. Keeps fighting. Next play mentality.
Can run when needed.
Holds the ball too long.
Runs into sacks. Like a squirrel at times.
Does not see open receivers.
Based on the limited information he seems like he could be a decent cost-controlled backup QB which would be a great find.
Based on your description above, I think we should be worried that the Giants will put a $40M valuation on DeVito.
True. Your backup should have similar characteristics as your starter! LOL DJ throws it better and runs it better. He would have lit the Commanders up yesterday. I still think you can win with DJ. that said, I would not be against taking a QB if there is someone they LOVE. Otherwise I would trade down and continue to build the team so that DJ (or the QB we get in 2025) will have the best chance to succeed.
2 necks, 1 ACL, the Microsoft touch incident against Seattle.
They’re bringing in competition.
I think some here might be go crazy if it’s in Nix, Penix type toward the back of round 1 or round 2 but Schoen is going to have to match the value with their positioning.
Side note at the top of this draft, I don’t think the Cards or the Bears are taking a QB. I think the Bears especially will want MHjr to pair with Fields. With the Bears other pick and the Cards pick, I think you’ll see trades down or non-QB BPA.
The expectations for a 5th year veteran and an undrafted rookie are not and should not be the same.
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Some of those sacks were not on the OL. But, isn't that what many were saying about the 11 sacks against Seattle? Or every other game this year.
The expectations for a 5th year veteran and an undrafted rookie are not and should not be the same.
I think Matt was implying that.
And I agree with Eric's point above - this is vintage Parcells. And it is proving to me again that Daboll can get just about any quarterback to his ceiling, both in terms of the way he develops them as well as the way he schemes around their talent deficiencies. A great day yesterday for Brian Daboll.
And I agree with Eric's point above - this is vintage Parcells. And it is proving to me again that Daboll can get just about any quarterback to his ceiling, both in terms of the way he develops them as well as the way he schemes around their talent deficiencies. A great day yesterday for Brian Daboll.
Great post. It is also more reason fans should be excited about Daboll working with a new young QB.
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Count me as an original Tommy DeVito skeptic. I did not think he had any chance of being even a backup in this league. I was wrong. Daboll has coached this kid to the absolute zenith of his ceiling. And calling him out about the sacks was more about defending the offensive line than it was about assigning blame to the kid. And it was no doubt true. I would argue in fact that DeVito was part of the problem in most of the sacks yesterday. But that is absolutely to be expected from an undrafted free agent in his second start.
And I agree with Eric's point above - this is vintage Parcells. And it is proving to me again that Daboll can get just about any quarterback to his ceiling, both in terms of the way he develops them as well as the way he schemes around their talent deficiencies. A great day yesterday for Brian Daboll.
Great post. It is also more reason fans should be excited about Daboll working with a new young QB.
Exactly right!