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Isaiah Simmons

St. Jimmy : 11/19/2023 8:43 pm
What should they do with him?
don't  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 11/19/2023 8:44 pm : link
overreact to one play. I'd make him an offer, but nothing crazy.
RE: don't  
St. Jimmy : 11/19/2023 8:50 pm : link
In comment 16295860 Eric from BBI said:
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overreact to one play. I'd make him an offer, but nothing crazy.
That is where I am at. He has not made a difference this year. If he wants to be here at what they want to spend ok. He hasn't been a difference maker yet
He’s not a core piece  
gary_from_chester : 11/19/2023 8:50 pm : link
Useful role player and ST guy. He stays, Cam Brown goes. At a reasonable cost as Eric stated.
RE: He’s not a core piece  
Blue21 : 11/19/2023 9:00 pm : link
In comment 16295875 gary_from_chester said:
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Useful role player and ST guy. He stays, Cam Brown goes. At a reasonable cost as Eric stated.
This
i would try to keep him  
CMicks3110 : 11/19/2023 9:02 pm : link
has a unique skill set. Has been solid. He is fast, but it's not linebacker short area quickness, very long strides. He looks like a giant cornerback. But if we can keep him, with Okereke and McFadden, that's as good a linebacker core as we've had in quite some time.
He made a play we would expect  
AROCK1000 : 11/19/2023 9:06 pm : link
Any NFL caliber player to make
He has not been someone who has consistently contributed...yet
He has the rest of the season to build on that play.
I agree with what's. been said. He's a role player here and, if he's  
Ira : 11/19/2023 9:08 pm : link
willing to be paid as one, we can use him.
Best case  
pjcas18 : 11/19/2023 9:08 pm : link
is he gets a long-term offer elsewhere and counts in the free agent scorecard on the "left via free agency" side of the ledger to offset a signing the Giants make and possibly help with a comp pick calculation. that is the kind of thing the Eagles or Patriots (when they were good) would do. Maybe turn that 7th they sent away for him into a 6th.

He is not an impact player IMO despite the pick 6 today.
I would like to see him on the edge  
larryflower37 : 11/19/2023 9:14 pm : link
Opposite of Thibs the rest of the way.
RE: I would like to see him on the edge  
AROCK1000 : 11/19/2023 9:15 pm : link
In comment 16295918 larryflower37 said:
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Opposite of Thibs the rest of the way.

I really like that idea
RE: RE: I would like to see him on the edge  
BigBlueinDE : 11/19/2023 9:46 pm : link
In comment 16295920 AROCK1000 said:
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In comment 16295918 larryflower37 said:


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Opposite of Thibs the rest of the way.


I really like that idea


As do I.
RE: RE: I would like to see him on the edge  
Joe Beckwith : 11/19/2023 9:48 pm : link
In comment 16295920 AROCK1000 said:
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In comment 16295918 larryflower37 said:


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Opposite of Thibs the rest of the way.


I really like that idea


Been hoping for that myself. At least if he’s there the last 6 games, he’s played there more than Ojulari.
RE: I would like to see him on the edge  
blueblood : 11/19/2023 10:03 pm : link
In comment 16295918 larryflower37 said:
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Opposite of Thibs the rest of the way.


His best role is as a Rover kind of hybrid safety like Landon Collins or a Kam Chancellor.

He would be terrible on the edge. He isnt strong enough, he doesnt take on blocks well, he doesnt disengage from blocks well because he doesnt use his hands well.

he can be good situationally to create pressure, but as an every down guy.. not his best role...
It's still early for him  
mittenedman : 11/19/2023 10:35 pm : link
in this scheme, and where he fits.

He's underwhelmed, but I'm curious to see if he picks it up down the stretch.
RE: Best case  
BillKo : 11/19/2023 10:39 pm : link
In comment 16295906 pjcas18 said:
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is he gets a long-term offer elsewhere and counts in the free agent scorecard on the "left via free agency" side of the ledger to offset a signing the Giants make and possibly help with a comp pick calculation. that is the kind of thing the Eagles or Patriots (when they were good) would do. Maybe turn that 7th they sent away for him into a 6th.

He is not an impact player IMO despite the pick 6 today.


Agree totally, I'm glad he saved the day but the Giants need better.

I'm happy about the seemingly development of McFadden, would be nice to find a partner for him in the middle.
Not a difference maker  
JonC : 11/19/2023 10:40 pm : link
and certainly not an Edge.
He is one of least physical players on the team  
Rick in Dallas : 11/19/2023 10:50 pm : link
Why would you put him on the Edge?
He is a role player at best that made one play
Geez!!!
I kind of wanted him in his draft  
mpinmaine : 11/19/2023 10:54 pm : link
but he isnt strong cant be an edge

he has some talent but isnt strong
Replace him with someone younger and cheaper  
JerseyCityJoe : 11/20/2023 12:01 am : link
Non impact player who makes some plays and misses a bunch as well. You certainly can't invest any significant money with this guy.
RE: I would like to see him on the edge  
FranknWeezer : 11/20/2023 1:46 am : link
In comment 16295918 larryflower37 said:
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Opposite of Thibs the rest of the way.


Sounds good in theory, but isn't he a bit "small in the ass" to be an ER?
Yesterday  
Mike in NY : 11/20/2023 3:02 am : link
Was a microcosm of why the Cardinals let him go. While he had an INT for a TD, it was more because he was in the right place when Howell let off a wounded duck of a ball as a result of pressure by someone else. In the same game he could have sealed it by just falling on Robinson fumble but instead he tried to make a scoop and score and didn’t secure the ball. He also hasn’t done much as a pass rusher despite his athleticism.
He's helpful but replaceable  
Blue Dog : 11/20/2023 5:01 am : link
His free agency value should be just a hair above the minimum but I wouldn't go much more. He plays like 20-30% of snaps or something can't really be offering him much.
RE: Yesterday  
section125 : 11/20/2023 5:15 am : link
In comment 16296109 Mike in NY said:
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Was a microcosm of why the Cardinals let him go. While he had an INT for a TD, it was more because he was in the right place when Howell let off a wounded duck of a ball as a result of pressure by someone else. In the same game he could have sealed it by just falling on Robinson fumble but instead he tried to make a scoop and score and didn’t secure the ball. He also hasn’t done much as a pass rusher despite his athleticism.


On the Robinson fumble, didn't McKinney end up with the ball?

But everyone is right. He never stands out. He'll make the occasional good play, but never anything dynamic. He is VG as a 3rd and long QB spy because of his speed. But even Cor'Dale Flott is more physical than Simmons.
RE: RE: Yesterday  
Mike in NY : 11/20/2023 7:28 am : link
In comment 16296117 section125 said:
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In comment 16296109 Mike in NY said:


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Was a microcosm of why the Cardinals let him go. While he had an INT for a TD, it was more because he was in the right place when Howell let off a wounded duck of a ball as a result of pressure by someone else. In the same game he could have sealed it by just falling on Robinson fumble but instead he tried to make a scoop and score and didn’t secure the ball. He also hasn’t done much as a pass rusher despite his athleticism.



On the Robinson fumble, didn't McKinney end up with the ball?

But everyone is right. He never stands out. He'll make the occasional good play, but never anything dynamic. He is VG as a 3rd and long QB spy because of his speed. But even Cor'Dale Flott is more physical than Simmons.


You are thinking of Rodriguez fumble I believe. Robinson had fumbled inside the red zone right before Dotson TD but rather than just fall on the ball Simmons tried to scoop it.
RE: don't  
Anakim : 11/20/2023 7:34 am : link
In comment 16295860 Eric from BBI said:
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overreact to one play. I'd make him an offer, but nothing crazy.


Agreed. I'd love to retain Simmons regardless if Wink is here or not, but I'm certainly not breaking the bank for him.
RE: RE: RE: Yesterday  
section125 : 11/20/2023 7:35 am : link
In comment 16296169 Mike in NY said:
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In comment 16296109 Mike in NY said:


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Was a microcosm of why the Cardinals let him go. While he had an INT for a TD, it was more because he was in the right place when Howell let off a wounded duck of a ball as a result of pressure by someone else. In the same game he could have sealed it by just falling on Robinson fumble but instead he tried to make a scoop and score and didn’t secure the ball. He also hasn’t done much as a pass rusher despite his athleticism.



On the Robinson fumble, didn't McKinney end up with the ball?

But everyone is right. He never stands out. He'll make the occasional good play, but never anything dynamic. He is VG as a 3rd and long QB spy because of his speed. But even Cor'Dale Flott is more physical than Simmons.



You are thinking of Rodriguez fumble I believe. Robinson had fumbled inside the red zone right before Dotson TD but rather than just fall on the ball Simmons tried to scoop it.


Ah, that is during the period my stream crapped out. Thanks
Sure at reasonable cost  
mfjmfj : 11/20/2023 7:43 am : link
but reasonable cost is not more than vet minimum.

Athlete not football player. And the athleticism declines fast in your mid-20s.
RE: I would like to see him on the edge  
Tuckrule : 11/20/2023 7:46 am : link
In comment 16295918 larryflower37 said:
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Opposite of Thibs the rest of the way.


He can’t bend and he’s tall. He has no shot at being an edge rusher. Zero! He had no bend to his game no ankle flexibility. He’s as stiff as they come which is why he can’t make it as a starter. He’s extremely limited. Plus his tackling is atrocious. Besides that he’s a hell of a football player
It was a nice pick 6 and made up for not coming up with  
ThomasG : 11/20/2023 7:51 am : link
a few earlier fumbles laying on the ground.

Good enough player to be in some packages but not a full-time starter. Kind of like when he was drafted, he can do a lot of things but he doesn't do any of them at a plus-level.
Seems like a guy  
HBart : 11/20/2023 8:15 am : link
Who is becoming a nice role player. Were he a rookie you'd be optimistic, depending on the opponent, is on the field about half the time making some disruptive plays when he is.

If the Giants feel the same, what's that worth? Nacho dollars?

...  
ryanmkeane : 11/20/2023 8:33 am : link
I'm trying to figure out how he had 100 combined tackles in 2021 and 2022. He's just not around the ball all that much.
RE: ...  
HBart : 11/20/2023 9:19 am : link
In comment 16296271 ryanmkeane said:
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I'm trying to figure out how he had 100 combined tackles in 2021 and 2022. He's just not around the ball all that much.

Really?

He has 32 tackles this season (7th on the team) - ~ half as many as McFadden in half as many snaps.
Bring him back  
Dankbeerman : 11/20/2023 9:23 am : link
on a 1 year minimum deal. He is a sub package player but has some versatility and he is a nice compliment to McFadden. Cant see any team running out to give him a starting job.
Just look at his snaps per game  
Shecky : 11/20/2023 9:36 am : link
Immensly talented kid, but
First franchise gave up on him
Giants got him for next to nothing
Snaps declined every week, basically.

He is a role player who made a good play, very good play. But you can't offer him more than what the coaching staff thinks of him.

Initially he seemed like a perfect matchup piece in Winks system, but it didn't materialize.
Forget the pick 6 for a second.  
mittenedman : 11/20/2023 9:40 am : link
It's 1 play. Landon Collins made that same play last year and they had no interest in re-signing him.

I still think there's plenty of room for Simmons to click in Wink's system down the stretch.

Remember - he warned it would take some time for all the new players at the start of the year. Okereke just got in a month ago - and he was here all summer. It's a radically different scheme than anybody's ever played in - and if you think you're going to step right in and master it while playing against NFL offenses, you're crazy.
RE: Just look at his snaps per game  
HBart : 11/20/2023 10:39 am : link
In comment 16296406 Shecky said:
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Immensly talented kid, but
First franchise gave up on him
Giants got him for next to nothing
Snaps declined every week, basically.

He is a role player who made a good play, very good play. But you can't offer him more than what the coaching staff thinks of him.

Initially he seemed like a perfect matchup piece in Winks system, but it didn't materialize.

Great point!

Oh wait. It's not -- it's a totally false premise. You a flat earther too?

Simmons plays on passing downs. In case you haven't noticed the Giants haven't had many leads and lots of big deficits. He's played 1/3rd of the defenses snaps except in blowouts - Buffalo game being a low exception and Miami where he played all game a high one.
I wanted Simmons in 2020  
JoeyBigBlue : 11/20/2023 12:15 pm : link
And I am happy to say I was very very wrong on him. He doesn’t have an NFL position, as he’s not a ILB, corner, or safety. He’s a sub-package Linebacker in passing situations. I’d bring him back at a vet minimum deal, but that’s it.
Pay the Man!  
5BowlsSoon : 11/20/2023 12:19 pm : link
He just “looks” the part!
People think " speed " makes a good pass rusher  
blueblood : 11/20/2023 12:28 pm : link
but speed without strength, bend, length, good hand use, and football awareness can be EASILY negated.

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