The TE from Georgia enters into the equation. Joe Alt too, the O-Tackle from ND. I don't think Schoen will spend a first rounder on the OL however, seeing how much draft capital we've invested in it the past few years (rightly or wrongly). In the later rounds, sure.
Or a trade down, but not too far. After McCarthy, the only other QB I would even consider is Nix. Anyone else is taking a QB just to take one, which is not the approach unless you 100% believe THAT guy will be THE guy.
RE: RE: RE: Some Giant fans always think they are one spot away in the draft
And they can't fuck around with that. They have to go in expecting that the 2nd tier QBs (McCarthy, Daniels, Nix, Penix) are going to be overdrafted and they can't expect to pick one in the 2nd round. If they make a decision to pick a non-QB at 5, then I sure as hell hope they have a trade-up plan to get a QB later in the 1st.
I also hope they are putting scouts out there for QBs who are not Maye.
I question that. I think they take Harrison and trade the other top pick.
Or take Olu Fashanu with the other top-5 pick. That OL is dreadful and I actually still think Fields has a lot of potential as a starting QB. He's not too dissimilar to Jayden Daniels.
trade up if we have to. Go get the guy our staff wants.
You're assuming that teams would be willing to sacrifice their shot at a franchise QB. The Patriots need one because Mac Jones is complete ass. Bears and Cardinals MAY need one and will certainly explore that avenue.
It depends on what the Bears and Cardinals decide to do. Do they double down on Fields and Kyler, respectively? If so, a potential deal could be worked out. If not, then we're shit out of luck.
You have to figure Chicago, and Arizona won’t be looking for QB’s. I guess they could trade down, but I think we’ve got a decent chance of getting one of the 3 QB’s mentioned. I think Chicago takes Harrison with one of their picks. They’ll want to give Fields more weapons.
I also feel Chicago needs to take Harrison 1st for 3 QBS to go before we pick. They could take him and still be able to get a top QB at 4.
I think Arizona would take Harrison if he was there but if he is gone someone moves up for a QB and if we can get to 2 to have our pick of QBs we have to do it. Can not sit back and take what's left.
Nabors or Latu kinda look like decent options in that range. Maybe that's too high for Nabors but I think he's excellent.
Not having a QB would suck, but the actually worst case scenario is picking top 5 and not having a good prospect at a premium position imo. But there appear to be decent options for passrusher, corner, wide receiver and OT.
Although I think it’s more Harrison, Williams, and Maye. Not a Daniels guy. If those 3 are gone, not sure what we do there other then hope some QB in college emerges in 2024 and/or 2025. 2024 looks weak at the moment, unfortunately.
I'd be looking at Turner, Coleman and see if other Edge or WR rise to contention. Definitely not looking at OL up there. Trade down could be interesting, but who would they trade up for, given the OP hypothetical.
I'd be looking at Turner, Coleman and see if other Edge or WR rise to contention. Definitely not looking at OL up there. Trade down could be interesting, but who would they trade up for, given the OP hypothetical.
Maybe they can find a really QB needy team and trade for their first next year and slide down to their first round slot as well.
This is what Schoen gets paid the big bucks for! He has to get it right this draft.
Ultimately, if the Giants have a guy in mind, go get him.
I think Fields is better than he has shown and could do well elsewhere. But, Hell no to trying a reclamation project at QB when we would be moving on from Jones for similar reasons.
The ever popular trade down with nothing to say who is trading up and for what player
Teams usually don’t trade up unless there is a QB. Nix and Penix are not moving people to trade up to 5. In this scenario the Giants are picking the highest rated OL
Ultimately, if the Giants have a guy in mind, go get him.
I think Fields is better than he has shown and could do well elsewhere. But, Hell no to trying a reclamation project at QB when we would be moving on from Jones for similar reasons.
Even if fields is better what has he shown physically or even more importantly above the ears to pass on the best QB? While it's almost certainty that at lest one of not two of the top QB locks is a t best mediocre Chicago has the top pick. Carolina is almost a lock at one and their own top 4 pick.
The only people who think Chicago passes on Williams or Maye are on this site
If those four are all gone, there may not be a robust market for a trade down. What prospect is someone emptying their warchest for at #5 if the top four go as the OP suggests?
I think this scenario would leave the Giants stuck at #5. I'd probably take Turner or Latu and then start working the phones to get into a spot between 25-32 to take a QB in the next tier (Nix would probably be the next one for me after the top three, but there's a few in that next group), and have the 5th year option available for that prospect.
What I'm definitely NOT doing is burning a third top-10 pick on OL. I'm fine with a cluster draft approach on days two and three to keep firing away at the OL, but they just cannot keep spending ultra-premium draft resources on the same position in such a short period of time when the entire roster has a talent gap.
Trade down targets could be EDGE, OL or WR
The Giants needs a new QB. It is up to Schoen to find one or navigate the board to get one he thinks can be a difference maker.
Good news is at least Devito showed he can at least be a reasonable backup QB or maybe even start the next season if a rookie isn't ready.
Que? After one game? You want Devito to be...hold your horses there, buddy.
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Good news is at least Devito showed he can at least be a reasonable backup QB or maybe even start the next season if a rookie isn't ready.
Que? After one game? You want Devito to be...hold your horses there, buddy.
What's the issue? We'll get a few more chances to see him but based on what we see right now, he can be backup QB on my team.
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Good news is at least Devito showed he can at least be a reasonable backup QB or maybe even start the next season if a rookie isn't ready.
Que? After one game? You want Devito to be...hold your horses there, buddy.
What's the issue? We'll get a few more chances to see him but based on what we see right now, he can be backup QB on my team.
Alright, so let's give it until the end of the season before we annoint him with anything.
I also hope they are putting scouts out there for QBs who are not Maye.
Or take Olu Fashanu with the other top-5 pick. That OL is dreadful and I actually still think Fields has a lot of potential as a starting QB. He's not too dissimilar to Jayden Daniels.
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trade up if we have to. Go get the guy our staff wants.
Yep.
Double Yup
You're assuming that teams would be willing to sacrifice their shot at a franchise QB. The Patriots need one because Mac Jones is complete ass. Bears and Cardinals MAY need one and will certainly explore that avenue.
It depends on what the Bears and Cardinals decide to do. Do they double down on Fields and Kyler, respectively? If so, a potential deal could be worked out. If not, then we're shit out of luck.
After one game, yeah it is. I can provide you with a list of QBs who had good games and then faded out of the league the next season.
Let's see how Devito does for the rest of the season before assuming he'll be on the 53.
I also feel Chicago needs to take Harrison 1st for 3 QBS to go before we pick. They could take him and still be able to get a top QB at 4.
I think Arizona would take Harrison if he was there but if he is gone someone moves up for a QB and if we can get to 2 to have our pick of QBs we have to do it. Can not sit back and take what's left.
And if the Bears, Cardinals and Patriots all want a QB?
Nabors or Latu kinda look like decent options in that range. Maybe that's too high for Nabors but I think he's excellent.
Not having a QB would suck, but the actually worst case scenario is picking top 5 and not having a good prospect at a premium position imo. But there appear to be decent options for passrusher, corner, wide receiver and OT.
McCarthy or Ewers in the early 2nd would be just fine.
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McCarthy/Ewers
Guard with the other 2nd round pick.
I am off the Nix and Penix train, hopefully Schoen is too.
Ultimately, if the Giants have a guy in mind, go get him.
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And one that actually throws touchdown passes?
After one game, yeah it is. I can provide you with a list of QBs who had good games and then faded out of the league the next season.
Let's see how Devito does for the rest of the season before assuming he'll be on the 53.
Okay, that's fair. Although not sure I or anyone needs such a reminder. My original post wasn't that extreme.
And btw - it may be one game but of all the QBs we have, injured or not, I enjoyed watching Devito more than anybody.
Maybe they can find a really QB needy team and trade for their first next year and slide down to their first round slot as well.
This is what Schoen gets paid the big bucks for! He has to get it right this draft.
Kyler Murray wasn't seen as the top pick at all until Arizona hired Kingsbury.
+1
Ultimately, if the Giants have a guy in mind, go get him.
Teams usually don’t trade up unless there is a QB. Nix and Penix are not moving people to trade up to 5. In this scenario the Giants are picking the highest rated OL
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Ultimately, if the Giants have a guy in mind, go get him.
I think Fields is better than he has shown and could do well elsewhere. But, Hell no to trying a reclamation project at QB when we would be moving on from Jones for similar reasons.
Even if fields is better what has he shown physically or even more importantly above the ears to pass on the best QB? While it's almost certainty that at lest one of not two of the top QB locks is a t best mediocre Chicago has the top pick. Carolina is almost a lock at one and their own top 4 pick.
The only people who think Chicago passes on Williams or Maye are on this site
If those four are all gone, there may not be a robust market for a trade down. What prospect is someone emptying their warchest for at #5 if the top four go as the OP suggests?
I think this scenario would leave the Giants stuck at #5. I'd probably take Turner or Latu and then start working the phones to get into a spot between 25-32 to take a QB in the next tier (Nix would probably be the next one for me after the top three, but there's a few in that next group), and have the 5th year option available for that prospect.
What I'm definitely NOT doing is burning a third top-10 pick on OL. I'm fine with a cluster draft approach on days two and three to keep firing away at the OL, but they just cannot keep spending ultra-premium draft resources on the same position in such a short period of time when the entire roster has a talent gap.