If those four are all gone, there may not be a robust market for a trade down. What prospect is someone emptying their warchest for at #5 if the top four go as the OP suggests?
I think this scenario would leave the Giants stuck at #5. I'd probably take Turner or Latu and then start working the phones to get into a spot between 25-32 to take a QB in the next tier (Nix would probably be the next one for me after the top three, but there's a few in that next group), and have the 5th year option available for that prospect.
What I'm definitely NOT doing is burning a third top-10 pick on OL. I'm fine with a cluster draft approach on days two and three to keep firing away at the OL, but they just cannot keep spending ultra-premium draft resources on the same position in such a short period of time when the entire roster has a talent gap.
Someone may trade up a few spots for Fashnu or Alt. Teams are always looking for OL. Thats who we should covet in any trade down and then look for our WR. But I wouldnt trade down more than 6-7 spots.
Then as far as OL. I think the 2nd pick in round 2 should utilize on a guard. We need youth there. Cant keep rolling with older vets that arent that good.
Right now it’s totally up in the air with regards to where we will pick.
It could be anywhere in the top 12. Still many winnable games on the schedule.
New England, Green Bay, LA… even New Orleans and Philly if they’ve clinched home field. Realistically they’ll probably win 2.
Ultimately, if the Giants have a guy in mind, go get him.
I think Fields is better than he has shown and could do well elsewhere. But, Hell no to trying a reclamation project at QB when we would be moving on from Jones for similar reasons.
Even if fields is better what has he shown physically or even more importantly above the ears to pass on the best QB? While it's almost certainty that at lest one of not two of the top QB locks is a t best mediocre Chicago has the top pick. Carolina is almost a lock at one and their own top 4 pick.
The only people who think Chicago passes on Williams or Maye are on this site
I agree. I mis-read some comments of "What about Fields?" as suggesting the Giants could or would be interested in moving on to him. Re-reading, I agree with you, that realistically, if Williams and/or Maye is in play when Chicago picks, they aren't passing.
Someone may trade up a few spots for Fashnu or Alt. Teams are always looking for OL. Thats who we should covet in any trade down and then look for our WR. But I wouldnt trade down more than 6-7 spots.
I could see someone wanting to move up for one of the EDGE guys or one of the OTs, sure. But I don't think it would be the sort of Godfather offer that teams would make to move up for the QBs or MHJ. That's all I meant by my post - if the first four picks went as the OL suggests, I don't know if the offers that Schoen subsequently receives for #5 overall would be especially exciting. I would expect offers that align pretty closely to the standard value chart we're all familiar with, but nothing like the insane overpays that teams sometimes make when they're shopping for their next QB.
In that scenario, with the top QBs off the board, but you never know.
I also don't think we can assume the top 4 will go that way, but for the purposes of the thought exercise, assuming it does, I favor Keon Coleman. He adds something to the receiver group they don't have, and he's a monster. He has 11 scores this year, is 6'3" or 6'4" and in that 210-220 range (we'll see the numbers at the combine), has great deep speed, incredible ball skills, obviously a physical mismatch.
I've made this comp before, but Coleman reminds me a lot of Terrell Owens (as a player, personality stuff aside, of course). This is a pick that is very unlikely one that the Giants would regret.
The one caveat I will put on this is that I think that the play style that this system I think will value more is that of Malik Nabers, who might be more advanced as a route runner and who will also be a fantastic NFL receiver.
Definitely a tough spot as Giants would likely have little leverage to trade down with. I haven't watched the other QBs enough to judge but I'll roll with whomever Schoen picks.
Ultimately, if the Giants have a guy in mind, go get him.
I think Fields is better than he has shown and could do well elsewhere. But, Hell no to trying a reclamation project at QB when we would be moving on from Jones for similar reasons.
Even if fields is better what has he shown physically or even more importantly above the ears to pass on the best QB? While it's almost certainty that at lest one of not two of the top QB locks is a t best mediocre Chicago has the top pick. Carolina is almost a lock at one and their own top 4 pick.
The only people who think Chicago passes on Williams or Maye are on this site
This is simply not true. You should pay attention more. To other places not named BBI. There has been constant debate in the national media about whether the Bears will stick with Fields or draft someone else. Plenty of people think the Bears would stick with Fields. Whether they are right or not, we’ll see. But that opinion certainly isn’t some narrative that is exclusive to BBI. That’s just asinine
Putting team needs aside, we're 3 months from consensus on the top draft tier. By a typical trade value chart, 1-4 slots are 3x more valuable than 5-8 which are twice the next tier. Value-wise, in generalities, being one pick out of top tier isn't so different from 3-4 picks out of it.
Need to see how perceived slot value in the top 2 tiers shakes out to figure out what to do at 5.
trade up if we have to. Go get the guy our staff wants.
What if the teams ahead of us also want a QB and have zero interest in trading down? I get that the Giants can't come out of the draft without a QB they believe in, but he doesn't necessarily have to be a blue chip prospect. They will have early 2nd and 3rd round picks plus Seattle's 2nd rounder, one of which can be used on someone that may not blow their socks off, but is someone they feel they can win with if Jones can't deliver.
The stupidest thing they could do is use a top five pick on a QB just because he is their highest graded QB. You are much more likely to wind up with Zach Wilson or Trey Lance than Trevor Lawrence under that scenario.
That won't be how it plays out. The QBs won't be falling come April (they're not actually falling now, but debating with your imagination seems wasteful).
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If those four are all gone, there may not be a robust market for a trade down. What prospect is someone emptying their warchest for at #5 if the top four go as the OP suggests?
I think this scenario would leave the Giants stuck at #5. I'd probably take Turner or Latu and then start working the phones to get into a spot between 25-32 to take a QB in the next tier (Nix would probably be the next one for me after the top three, but there's a few in that next group), and have the 5th year option available for that prospect.
What I'm definitely NOT doing is burning a third top-10 pick on OL. I'm fine with a cluster draft approach on days two and three to keep firing away at the OL, but they just cannot keep spending ultra-premium draft resources on the same position in such a short period of time when the entire roster has a talent gap.
Someone may trade up a few spots for Fashnu or Alt. Teams are always looking for OL. Thats who we should covet in any trade down and then look for our WR. But I wouldnt trade down more than 6-7 spots.
Then as far as OL. I think the 2nd pick in round 2 should utilize on a guard. We need youth there. Cant keep rolling with older vets that arent that good.
It could be anywhere in the top 12. Still many winnable games on the schedule.
New England, Green Bay, LA… even New Orleans and Philly if they’ve clinched home field. Realistically they’ll probably win 2.
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...should Chicago move on.
Ultimately, if the Giants have a guy in mind, go get him.
I think Fields is better than he has shown and could do well elsewhere. But, Hell no to trying a reclamation project at QB when we would be moving on from Jones for similar reasons.
Even if fields is better what has he shown physically or even more importantly above the ears to pass on the best QB? While it's almost certainty that at lest one of not two of the top QB locks is a t best mediocre Chicago has the top pick. Carolina is almost a lock at one and their own top 4 pick.
The only people who think Chicago passes on Williams or Maye are on this site
Absolutely no brainer pick. Maybe I should say if I didn’t have any brains.
I could see someone wanting to move up for one of the EDGE guys or one of the OTs, sure. But I don't think it would be the sort of Godfather offer that teams would make to move up for the QBs or MHJ. That's all I meant by my post - if the first four picks went as the OL suggests, I don't know if the offers that Schoen subsequently receives for #5 overall would be especially exciting. I would expect offers that align pretty closely to the standard value chart we're all familiar with, but nothing like the insane overpays that teams sometimes make when they're shopping for their next QB.
I'm going to keep one eye on that pick.
I also don't think we can assume the top 4 will go that way, but for the purposes of the thought exercise, assuming it does, I favor Keon Coleman. He adds something to the receiver group they don't have, and he's a monster. He has 11 scores this year, is 6'3" or 6'4" and in that 210-220 range (we'll see the numbers at the combine), has great deep speed, incredible ball skills, obviously a physical mismatch.
I've made this comp before, but Coleman reminds me a lot of Terrell Owens (as a player, personality stuff aside, of course). This is a pick that is very unlikely one that the Giants would regret.
The one caveat I will put on this is that I think that the play style that this system I think will value more is that of Malik Nabers, who might be more advanced as a route runner and who will also be a fantastic NFL receiver.
https://www.ourlads.com/story/default/Dave-Syvertsens-Top-96/11524/dh
And in this scenario, a trade up back into the back half of the first round for a QB makes a lot of sense.
Would love a trade back grab an OT and an edge late 1st or early 2nd. But, you don't want to get too cute.
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...should Chicago move on.
Ultimately, if the Giants have a guy in mind, go get him.
I think Fields is better than he has shown and could do well elsewhere. But, Hell no to trying a reclamation project at QB when we would be moving on from Jones for similar reasons.
Even if fields is better what has he shown physically or even more importantly above the ears to pass on the best QB? While it's almost certainty that at lest one of not two of the top QB locks is a t best mediocre Chicago has the top pick. Carolina is almost a lock at one and their own top 4 pick.
The only people who think Chicago passes on Williams or Maye are on this site
This is simply not true. You should pay attention more. To other places not named BBI. There has been constant debate in the national media about whether the Bears will stick with Fields or draft someone else. Plenty of people think the Bears would stick with Fields. Whether they are right or not, we’ll see. But that opinion certainly isn’t some narrative that is exclusive to BBI. That’s just asinine
Doesn’t matter who the QB is until the OL is fixed. After it is then get the QB.
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trade up if we have to. Go get the guy our staff wants.
Doesn’t matter who the QB is until the OL is fixed. After it is then get the QB.
That’s not how this all works…
Need to see how perceived slot value in the top 2 tiers shakes out to figure out what to do at 5.
The stupidest thing they could do is use a top five pick on a QB just because he is their highest graded QB. You are much more likely to wind up with Zach Wilson or Trey Lance than Trevor Lawrence under that scenario.
That won't be how it plays out. The QBs won't be falling come April (they're not actually falling now, but debating with your imagination seems wasteful).