NFT: MLB Hall of Fame finalists announced

it would be A-Rod. I'd also vote Manny and strongly consider Sheffield and Pettitte and maybe Vizquel, since there are similar glove mostly SS already there.

and Vizquel

Mauer, Beltre, Manny

LMAO. Not a chance.

Beltre will either get in or be just short, Mauer will have a strong first ballot but I think he'll be short the first time around.

is A-Rod

In comment 16296506 bwitz said:

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LMAO. Not a chance.

You do realize there are far worse players that have been on a ballot for the first time. I don't think you know how this works

Over 3000 Hits and has a career WAR close to 95.

Manny, ARod, are Hall of Fame talents but PEDs will not get them in the Hall.

Joe Mauer should be a Hall of Famer too. I think Vizquel should get in for his glove.

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is a lock. He'd be a lock even without the 3,000 hits.

competitor.......

Chase Utley.

The guy could rake and field. He was a quiet dude off the field, but involved in a lot of Philly area charities.

He would be on my all GiantBlue MLB All Star Team for sure!

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In comment 16296567 KDavies said:

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In comment 16296506 bwitz said: Quote: LMAO. Not a chance. You do realize there are far worse players that have been on a ballot for the first time. I don't think you know how this works

Pretty sure I do. Fuck your for the condescending tone though!

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who should be in already I think Abreu, Billy Wagner, Utley, and Beltre should get in. Helton is a maybe for me. Maurer was a unique player with an interesting case but he spent a lot of his career as a 1B/DH which diminishes his value IMO.

Rodriguez, Beltre, Mauer, and Manny.

centerfielder ever. I'd vote for him.

and one of the dirtiest players to ever play the game into the HOF and not Barry Bonds..

I don't even know what I'd say

In comment 16296766 Greg from LI said:

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centerfielder ever. I'd vote for him.

He's the one who gave me the most pause. His glove is about as good as I've seen in CF. But, I think his offensive numbers tailed off just enough to make him on the bubble, mostly due to the position he played. Ultimately, I think I'd vote for him.

But, less than 400 HRs in Coors for a power position, I think he falls short.

is Beltre. Probably a top 5 all time 3rd baseman. 93.5 WAR (40th all time). If I had a vote I'd go Beltre, ARod, Manny, Jones, Helton

fans have drawn a line in the sand over. I think Bonds and Clemens belong in the HOF. They were the best of their craft before alleged use and elevated to another level once allegedly taking. I think it is embarrassing that Piazza had to wait because of backne.

But, if that line is being drawn, then I maintain Ortiz has no business in the HOF. He has not a HOF player before use; not even close. But, as long as he is in, nobody should say boo about any other alleged users.

The only one I pause at from this group over PEDs is A-Rod. I think he might be the best of the bunch. But, first of all, he had 2 suspensions over his alleged use and involvement. Second, unlike the other HOF caliber players, where there seems to be a clearly and universally accepted point of usage, A-Rod is all over the place. Some accounts speculate as late as the Yankees, others go as far back as HS and everything in between. That means, essentially, his entire career could be questioned.

As for Pettitte, I think he's on the bubble and it has nothing to do with PEDs. Historically, his numbers put him in the very good, but just short category. But, the more modern trend really puts him near the top of his peers, so I'm not sure.

In comment 16296833 Matt M. said:

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But, less than 400 HRs in Coors for a power position, I think he falls short.

Todd Helton was at 72% last year, in only his fifth year. He's a layup to get in this year.

A-Rod is the only one I see there worthy and his PEDs and rants canned his chances.

I do not see anyone I would vote for - Maybe Andy.

In comment 16297426 section125 said:

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A-Rod is the only one I see there worthy and his PEDs and rants canned his chances. I do not see anyone I would vote for - Maybe Andy.

Andy was also a PED user.

As were guys already in the hall.

So... Therein lies the dilemma

In comment 16296578 JoeyBigBlue said:

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Joe Mauer should be a Hall of Famer too. I think Vizquel should get in for his glove.

Zero chance on vizquel. Great glove and that’s where it ends. He’s not a hall of famer. He’s Rey ordonez with a better bat. Mauer to me is a sure fire hall of famer. One of the best hitting catchers all time unfortunately just doesn’t have the power numbers. Not hall of fame. Torii Hunter should get in he’s a better version of what Andruw Jones was minus the steroid use.

In comment 16297453 moze1021 said:

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In comment 16297426 section125 said: Quote: A-Rod is the only one I see there worthy and his PEDs and rants canned his chances. I do not see anyone I would vote for - Maybe Andy. Andy was also a PED user. As were guys already in the hall. So... Therein lies the dilemma

Andy owned it and nobody says boo. His problem is lack of wins eventhough his win % is VG and playoff record is good. Just too few total wins.

Not sure about A-Rod.

In comment 16297783 Tuckrule said:

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In comment 16296578 JoeyBigBlue said: Quote: Joe Mauer should be a Hall of Famer too. I think Vizquel should get in for his glove. Zero chance on vizquel. Great glove and that’s where it ends. He’s not a hall of famer. He’s Rey ordonez with a better bat. Mauer to me is a sure fire hall of famer. One of the best hitting catchers all time unfortunately just doesn’t have the power numbers. Not hall of fame. Torii Hunter should get in he’s a better version of what Andruw Jones was minus the steroid use.

Rey Ordóñez could only dream of having close to 2900 hits and 11 gold gloves. Vizquel was probably better hitter than Ozzie Smith and Ozzie is in the Hall of Fame.

In comment 16297787 section125 said:

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In comment 16297453 moze1021 said: Quote: In comment 16297426 section125 said: Quote: A-Rod is the only one I see there worthy and his PEDs and rants canned his chances. I do not see anyone I would vote for - Maybe Andy. Andy was also a PED user. As were guys already in the hall. So... Therein lies the dilemma Andy owned it and nobody says boo. His problem is lack of wins eventhough his win % is VG and playoff record is good. Just too few total wins.

So you think if Bonds and Clemens just said "Yeah I used PEDs", they would be in the HOF?