In the past few years I have noticed how incredibly sensitive the team, particularly on social media, is of any fan criticism
We've seen the head of PR get into arguments with fans. I remember in 2021 Hanlon got into it with someone about either Gettleman or Kevin Abrams if my memory serves me
The worse offender is Bob Papa, who clearly reads BBI, which he condescendingly refers to as a "chat room." They do not like it when people don't bend the knee to the "Giants way" and don't go in line with whatever narrative they are trying to push. They are either too stubborn to see how bad the product is or are delusional as to the current state of affairs. If you look at Papas twitter replies it's filled with condescending spats with fans who are critical of the product
Are other professional sports teams like this? For as much as they want to talk about how classy the franchise is, patronizing the paying customers seems like an odd strategy
Forgot about Neal. Yeah, that was bad. Always seemed like a standup guy. Hopefully that was a one off, we were all young and dumb at one point, I suppose
Really, when they are so defensive and reactive, I get the impression that they are not focused on what they need to do to be better than the other 31 teams in the league, and are more concerned about proving people wrong about certain players or front office personell that get criticized.
This is a team that is 35-75-1 since the start of the 2017 season.
I certainly have had bad days in my career that were not broadcasted incessantly for the world to see - and as much as I would like to think I would be mentally tough enough to deal with it, I guess you just don't know until you are in the meat grinder.
It does definitely come with the territory these days - they likely should have some training for these young adults getting into an entertainment career.
Plenty of thin skin to go around.
And just how would you come to suspect that? hahaha
Not that any of us would do that....
Agreed, good post.
Agreed.
And that "Respect" they were granted back in the day was used to hide the fact that they weren't good at their jobs.
Nowadays criticism is everywhere. Can't hide behind the walls anymore.
Adaptation is tough for some.
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Aren’t used to how respect for institutions has decayed in the last few years. And social media has allowed that lack of respect to be communicated clearly with few filters. It’s a double whammy.
Agreed.
And that "Respect" they were granted back in the day was used to hide the fact that they weren't good at their jobs.
Nowadays criticism is everywhere. Can't hide behind the walls anymore.
Adaptation is tough for some.
You are perfect example of what cosmicj was talking about. You agree with him but then say that "respect" was used to hide faults. That is not respect.
Respect is a filter. Criticism, some/perhaps much warranted, is everywhere. A lot of criticism is not warranted but simply someone's opinion of what they believe to be true.
In this case silence by Papa would have been the smart thing to do - ignore the "ignorance" and don't lend credence to the criticisms. Nothing he said was going to quell the beliefs of anyone but only exasperate it.
Remember the kids who used to eat the Play-Doh in class? They are now holding phones and posting the first thoughts that come in to their brains.
None-of them try to defend the product on the field
So, it's obvious - to me - that the original owners of the franchise don't like criticism and being told their business. And they are very slow to change.
The fans are the proletariat. Just buy your season tickets, keep a stiff upper lip, and enjoy an occasional free medium Pepsi.
I agree with all of the comments about social media's impact on society and the uprise in negativity. But when the professional team you follow is the dreadful, it's a nice way to vent frustrations and ideas.
None-of them try to defend the product on the field
Have you thought about applying to work in the Giants PR department? You may as well get paid for all the work you put in defending everything they do, no?
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Aren’t used to how respect for institutions has decayed in the last few years. And social media has allowed that lack of respect to be communicated clearly with few filters. It’s a double whammy.
Agreed.
And that "Respect" they were granted back in the day was used to hide the fact that they weren't good at their jobs.
Nowadays criticism is everywhere. Can't hide behind the walls anymore.
Adaptation is tough for some.
You are perfect example of what cosmicj was talking about. You agree with him but then say that "respect" was used to hide faults. That is not respect.
Respect is a filter. Criticism, some/perhaps much warranted, is everywhere. A lot of criticism is not warranted but simply someone's opinion of what they believe to be true.
In this case silence by Papa would have been the smart thing to do - ignore the "ignorance" and don't lend credence to the criticisms. Nothing he said was going to quell the beliefs of anyone but only exasperate it.
Criticism is warranted at times, no?
I'm allowed to criticize the organization when I feel they are not performing up to the high standards they claim to have. That's my right as a fan. Like it, don't like it, it really doesn't matter.
Nobody agrees with everyone else's critiques. That's natural. However, it doesn't make me ignorant if someone disagrees with me.
Criticism is warranted at times, no?
I'm allowed to criticize the organization when I feel they are not performing up to the high standards they claim to have. That's my right as a fan. Like it, don't like it, it really doesn't matter.
Nobody agrees with everyone else's critiques. That's natural. However, it doesn't make me ignorant if someone disagrees with me.
Critisize away, but then you'd better expect to get criticism back especially if you are wrong - and bitching about return criticism is silly. You reap what you sow. (Just like we are doing here - back and forth)
Respect and social media have nothing to do with each other. Social media is the antithesis of having respect. Unfiltered diatribes are disrespectful. Being able to spew nonsense and not expecting blowback is ignorance.
Giants management is backwards. If that's being disrespectful to an "institution". Tough noogies.
I don't view the Giants as an essential institution like education, military, press, medicine... they're an entertainment product. And they're not good at it.
Giants management is backwards. If that's being disrespectful to an "institution". Tough noogies.
I don't view the Giants as an essential institution like education, military, press, medicine... they're an entertainment product. And they're not good at it.
Now you've done it.
Expect a glove slap from a fop in a powdered wig soon...
One thing that I would point out, if you're looking for negativity, you can find it. And oftentimes, when you're looking for it, you're more likely to view BBI or Reddit or the whole internet as a monolith. A lot of the time when I see a thread where I know there's going to be unbridled negativity or a thread I'm just not interested in engaging in debate in, I just steer clear.
But if you're looking at it and there's just a thread about how DJ is washed and there's 100 people talking about it agreeing with each other... It's an easy trap to fall into not realizing that there's a whole group of the community who might choose to not take part in the conversation.
What does it matter "what they see in the building?" What they are putting on the field is subpar, so whatever they they are seeing in the building is not translating, and that's a big problem with self-evaluation that they deserve to be critcized for.
They should be focused on proving 'bad fans' wrong, they should be focused on the 31 other teams they are competing against.
The teams and the league employ advisors who beg the players to stay off social media and only let professionals handle their accounts.
That the professionals on the Giants staff tangle with their customers over social media is putrid.
Only the Giants management uncommon sense of loyalty saved Hanlon's job when he had his episode. Replace the Giants with any other similarly sized company, and Hanlon would be gone.
The teams and the league employ advisors who beg the players to stay off social media and only let professionals handle their accounts.
That the professionals on the Giants staff tangle with their customers over social media is putrid.
Only the Giants management uncommon sense of loyalty saved Hanlon's job when he had his episode. Replace the Giants with any other similarly sized company, and Hanlon would be gone.
That's my point. I agree with the people who say that social media allows people to be overly negative. Hand up, I'm guilty. But the Giants love to pat themselves on the back for how classy they are. They don't have to engage with their customers on social media. That's a choice. They could easily ignore it
Win games.
Compete for championships.
That's the recipe. Not arguing with fans on social media. Bunch of dimwits.
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A multibillion dollar organization has no business having its representatives bicker with their customers. It's pathetic and low-rent behavior.
The teams and the league employ advisors who beg the players to stay off social media and only let professionals handle their accounts.
That the professionals on the Giants staff tangle with their customers over social media is putrid.
Only the Giants management uncommon sense of loyalty saved Hanlon's job when he had his episode. Replace the Giants with any other similarly sized company, and Hanlon would be gone.
That's my point. I agree with the people who say that social media allows people to be overly negative. Hand up, I'm guilty. But the Giants love to pat themselves on the back for how classy they are. They don't have to engage with their customers on social media. That's a choice. They could easily ignore it
Do the Giants really go around patting themselves on the back for how classy they are? I’ve heard players say it. I’ve heard former players say it. I’ve heard folks in the national media say it. But I’m not sure I’ve seen Mara and company running around talking about how classy they are
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Understands what is valid criticism and what is nonsense, and there is plenty of that here. Fans stating speculation as fact and creating conclusions based on false hood.
None-of them try to defend the product on the field
Have you thought about applying to work in the Giants PR department? You may as well get paid for all the work you put in defending everything they do, no?
When you use absolute words like everything, it disqualifies that take as legit.
I have been critical of the team often. There are many criticisms aired here that I do not respond to because I agree with them.
But I do often respond to what I consider inaccurate takes.
If you don’t agree that much nonsense is shared here, fine. But no need to inaccurately try to label me.
As an example of the latter, remember this [I] pathetic[I] planted attempt to prop up Gettleman's image before announcing he'd be back as GM.
Disgusting - ( New Window )
There are a handful of incidents reported over the years I don't find to be classy. This is an unpopular opinion, I get it. But classy simply isn't the word I think of, when I think about the Giants.
By that I mean going on the field with his family before the game.
I don't know if i would use the word hack, but I do not find him to be a good radio listen in terms of play by play.