Let the bidding begin! This should be interesting as it will be both NY teams bidding for a guy they both want badly. Its gonna take probably 8-10 years and over 200 mill to sign him.
worth of prospects ($1m IFA, 2nd and 5th best draft picks, which will likely slot in around $2.5m).
my point was if you think a top of the rotation pitcher is the biggest critical factor for mets right now, which im not necessarily arguing yes/no, Snell just won his 2nd CY and the penalty is pretty light.
It's possible 1 player could decide to sign elsewhere even you offer the most money but if they offer the most money to both Yamamoto and Snell odds are they will get at least 1 of them.
RE: the penalties for signing a player w/ a QO (Snell) amount to 3-4m
worth of prospects ($1m IFA, 2nd and 5th best draft picks, which will likely slot in around $2.5m).
my point was if you think a top of the rotation pitcher is the biggest critical factor for mets right now, which im not necessarily arguing yes/no, Snell just won his 2nd CY and the penalty is pretty light.
It's possible 1 player could decide to sign elsewhere even you offer the most money but if they offer the most money to both Yamamoto and Snell odds are they will get at least 1 of them.
To boil down my point, unless and until the Mets add two legit starting pitchers (probably 3) (Yamamoto, Snell, Mongtomery, etc.) I cannot support pursuing Soto - especially without a guarantee he re-signs.
RE: RE: the penalties for signing a player w/ a QO (Snell) amount to 3-4m
worth of prospects ($1m IFA, 2nd and 5th best draft picks, which will likely slot in around $2.5m).
my point was if you think a top of the rotation pitcher is the biggest critical factor for mets right now, which im not necessarily arguing yes/no, Snell just won his 2nd CY and the penalty is pretty light.
It's possible 1 player could decide to sign elsewhere even you offer the most money but if they offer the most money to both Yamamoto and Snell odds are they will get at least 1 of them.
To boil down my point, unless and until the Mets add two legit starting pitchers (probably 3) (Yamamoto, Snell, Mongtomery, etc.) I cannot support pursuing Soto - especially without a guarantee he re-signs.
This happens to be such a quality year for SP I think I’d be pretty fine with almost any 3 of the top 10 or so as long as 1 of them is top 5. Obviously I’d hope that’s Yamamoto but if it’s snell or Montgomery plus 2 other quality sp (lugo, flaherty, imanaga, giolito etc) I think that’s very workable if you build a strong enough bp.
I think it’s a lot tougher to accurately rank sp outcomes than the odds are that Soto will be one of the most valuable every day players for the next 10 years. If u had to pick any 1 player over that time period it may be Soto.
is you may not get Soto the next 10 years, you may get him the next one, and you have depleted your farm, and if you don't get the SPs and bullpen help you need you're the 2024 version of the 2023 Padres
is you may not get Soto the next 10 years, you may get him the next one, and you have depleted your farm, and if you don't get the SPs and bullpen help you need you're the 2024 version of the 2023 Padres
How does that help?
As a boras client we can be fairly confident all u need to do is pay him the most, which is true of 90%+ of non Boras clients too.
RE: RE: RE: the penalties for signing a player w/ a QO (Snell) amount to 3-4m
This happens to be such a quality year for SP I think I’d be pretty fine with almost any 3 of the top 10 or so as long as 1 of them is top 5. Obviously I’d hope that’s Yamamoto but if it’s snell or Montgomery plus 2 other quality sp (lugo, flaherty, imanaga, giolito etc) I think that’s very workable if you build a strong enough bp.
I think it’s a lot tougher to accurately rank sp outcomes than the odds are that Soto will be one of the most valuable every day players for the next 10 years. If u had to pick any 1 player over that time period it may be Soto.
Yamamoto or Mongomery -for sure. Snell is a no go. Cohen has had a policy of not signing players who have a QO attached. I’m sure it’s not written in stone, but I can’t see them diverging from it for Snell. He’s got durability & control issues.
is you may not get Soto the next 10 years, you may get him the next one, and you have depleted your farm, and if you don't get the SPs and bullpen help you need you're the 2024 version of the 2023 Padres
How does that help?
As a boras client we can be fairly confident all u need to do is pay him the most, which is true of 90%+ of non Boras clients too.
Which is why Soto is contingent for me on adding the SP's/bullpen help to become a contender, if they don't do that first, then wait until Soto is a FA and be the highest bidder and save the prospects.
It would be terrible to empty the farm for Soto, miss out on the SP's, and subsequently not contend and then the Mets could have just signed Soto as a FA.
is you may not get Soto the next 10 years, you may get him the next one, and you have depleted your farm, and if you don't get the SPs and bullpen help you need you're the 2024 version of the 2023 Padres
How does that help?
As a boras client we can be fairly confident all u need to do is pay him the most, which is true of 90%+ of non Boras clients too.
Which is why Soto is contingent for me on adding the SP's/bullpen help to become a contender, if they don't do that first, then wait until Soto is a FA and be the highest bidder and save the prospects.
It would be terrible to empty the farm for Soto, miss out on the SP's, and subsequently not contend and then the Mets could have just signed Soto as a FA.
As a rental empty the farm is unlikely. It will be more than Lindor cost but shouldn’t be that much more.
could be wrong but I believe the only QO FA the Mets have ever heavily pursued under Steve Cohen was George Springer.
Nobody last off-season, nobody in 2021
depending on who you believe they tried to get Realmuto and they also went for Bauer. i think all of those were pre-eppler who seemed to last year specifically plan to maximize QO returns (bassitt, jdg).
whether or not stearns goes there is on the list of things that will remain to be seen but in milwaukee im pretty sure lorenzo cain was a QO free agent and obviously his biggest move was yelich ahead of his age 26 season (and there are a lot of similarities there with soto).
whether or not they need to sign a QO fa this year very much depends on how big of a difference they see between snell and the others without QO. having the hardware he has doesnt mean he's necessarily head and shoulders better than anyone else going forward, it's a pretty strong track record though so if we accept that nobody knows the future with any certainty he's clearly got a chance to end up the most productive SP from this year's FA if his next 5 years are like the prior 5.
my point was if you think a top of the rotation pitcher is the biggest critical factor for mets right now, which im not necessarily arguing yes/no, Snell just won his 2nd CY and the penalty is pretty light.
It's possible 1 player could decide to sign elsewhere even you offer the most money but if they offer the most money to both Yamamoto and Snell odds are they will get at least 1 of them.
my point was if you think a top of the rotation pitcher is the biggest critical factor for mets right now, which im not necessarily arguing yes/no, Snell just won his 2nd CY and the penalty is pretty light.
It's possible 1 player could decide to sign elsewhere even you offer the most money but if they offer the most money to both Yamamoto and Snell odds are they will get at least 1 of them.
To boil down my point, unless and until the Mets add two legit starting pitchers (probably 3) (Yamamoto, Snell, Mongtomery, etc.) I cannot support pursuing Soto - especially without a guarantee he re-signs.
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worth of prospects ($1m IFA, 2nd and 5th best draft picks, which will likely slot in around $2.5m).
my point was if you think a top of the rotation pitcher is the biggest critical factor for mets right now, which im not necessarily arguing yes/no, Snell just won his 2nd CY and the penalty is pretty light.
It's possible 1 player could decide to sign elsewhere even you offer the most money but if they offer the most money to both Yamamoto and Snell odds are they will get at least 1 of them.
To boil down my point, unless and until the Mets add two legit starting pitchers (probably 3) (Yamamoto, Snell, Mongtomery, etc.) I cannot support pursuing Soto - especially without a guarantee he re-signs.
This happens to be such a quality year for SP I think I’d be pretty fine with almost any 3 of the top 10 or so as long as 1 of them is top 5. Obviously I’d hope that’s Yamamoto but if it’s snell or Montgomery plus 2 other quality sp (lugo, flaherty, imanaga, giolito etc) I think that’s very workable if you build a strong enough bp.
I think it’s a lot tougher to accurately rank sp outcomes than the odds are that Soto will be one of the most valuable every day players for the next 10 years. If u had to pick any 1 player over that time period it may be Soto.
How does that help?
How does that help?
As a boras client we can be fairly confident all u need to do is pay him the most, which is true of 90%+ of non Boras clients too.
This happens to be such a quality year for SP I think I’d be pretty fine with almost any 3 of the top 10 or so as long as 1 of them is top 5. Obviously I’d hope that’s Yamamoto but if it’s snell or Montgomery plus 2 other quality sp (lugo, flaherty, imanaga, giolito etc) I think that’s very workable if you build a strong enough bp.
I think it’s a lot tougher to accurately rank sp outcomes than the odds are that Soto will be one of the most valuable every day players for the next 10 years. If u had to pick any 1 player over that time period it may be Soto.
Yamamoto or Mongomery -for sure. Snell is a no go. Cohen has had a policy of not signing players who have a QO attached. I’m sure it’s not written in stone, but I can’t see them diverging from it for Snell. He’s got durability & control issues.
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is you may not get Soto the next 10 years, you may get him the next one, and you have depleted your farm, and if you don't get the SPs and bullpen help you need you're the 2024 version of the 2023 Padres
How does that help?
As a boras client we can be fairly confident all u need to do is pay him the most, which is true of 90%+ of non Boras clients too.
Which is why Soto is contingent for me on adding the SP's/bullpen help to become a contender, if they don't do that first, then wait until Soto is a FA and be the highest bidder and save the prospects.
It would be terrible to empty the farm for Soto, miss out on the SP's, and subsequently not contend and then the Mets could have just signed Soto as a FA.
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is you may not get Soto the next 10 years, you may get him the next one, and you have depleted your farm, and if you don't get the SPs and bullpen help you need you're the 2024 version of the 2023 Padres
How does that help?
As a boras client we can be fairly confident all u need to do is pay him the most, which is true of 90%+ of non Boras clients too.
Which is why Soto is contingent for me on adding the SP's/bullpen help to become a contender, if they don't do that first, then wait until Soto is a FA and be the highest bidder and save the prospects.
It would be terrible to empty the farm for Soto, miss out on the SP's, and subsequently not contend and then the Mets could have just signed Soto as a FA.
As a rental empty the farm is unlikely. It will be more than Lindor cost but shouldn’t be that much more.
Nobody last off-season, nobody in 2021
Nobody last off-season, nobody in 2021
depending on who you believe they tried to get Realmuto and they also went for Bauer. i think all of those were pre-eppler who seemed to last year specifically plan to maximize QO returns (bassitt, jdg).
whether or not stearns goes there is on the list of things that will remain to be seen but in milwaukee im pretty sure lorenzo cain was a QO free agent and obviously his biggest move was yelich ahead of his age 26 season (and there are a lot of similarities there with soto).
whether or not they need to sign a QO fa this year very much depends on how big of a difference they see between snell and the others without QO. having the hardware he has doesnt mean he's necessarily head and shoulders better than anyone else going forward, it's a pretty strong track record though so if we accept that nobody knows the future with any certainty he's clearly got a chance to end up the most productive SP from this year's FA if his next 5 years are like the prior 5.