Tomorrow marks 60 years since JFK's assassination which forever changed America. I don't think that's hyperbole. I think the '60s go differently if JFK lives, i.e. we don't get bogged down in Vietnam.
Anyways, BBIers alive at the time...would love to hear your story that day.
My old man was living in Brooklyn at the time. Sisters told him Kennedy was shot & let them go, seeing it was a Friday. He learned JFK was dead when he got home. His mom-my grandmother-was weeping.
This is exactly what I experienced.
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..... The newbie office is said to have grabbed the rifle when he heard the shots from the Book Depository, and I believe he accidentally discharged it and that is the shot that killed Kennedy. We all know how incompetent the Secret Service can be, and it sure explains the obvious government cover-up of the events.
Whoa, I never heard that one before. So somehow hundreds of people wouldn't see the secret service agent stand up and shoot a rifle over his own car's windshield and 5 or 6 agents would cover that up?
The "Grassy Knoll" theory is the most plausible, but I don't buy that either. I am still an Oswald did it believer. The shots were not that hard or far.
But that is another discussion.
In the chaos it's easy to imagine no one was watching anything but the presidential limo. Or they were running for cover. It's not like the agent stood up, took aim, and fired. It was an accidental discharge. Obviously that happens all the time in this gun crazed country. No other "theory" makes sense to me besides this one. The more you think about it the more sense it makes.
Paramount+ has a really good documentary called JFK: What the Doctors Saw, that details the Parkland Doctors analysis along with the FBI's intervention post death. It's really fascinating.
*Oswald firing a rifle from the 6th floor of schoolbook depository bldg got off 3 shots
*First shot missed or ricocheted off something
*Second shot went through Kennedy's throat and went onto strike Govenor Connally sitting in front of President
*Third shot was the fatal head shot
*Several witnesses spotted Oswald in the window above and immediately gave his description to police
*Oswald fled the bldg and later was spotted shooting/killing a policeman trying to detain him
*The police found a rifle with Oswald's prints on it and later matched the bullet fragments to that rifle
No other shots were fired in Dealy Plaza that day. And no one has ever produced anything to dispute the above facts.
The lone nut assassin isn't as interesting to many that are looking for a conspiracy to discuss and research but, in this case, that's all there is from that fateful day 60 years ago.
Oswald alone....
Maybe Oswald was skilled enough to use that shitty rifle to kill Kennedy. It just seems too convenient that he is killed before the investigation can occur. And why on earth did the government go to such lengths to cover up virtually all the details of the assassination? To protect themselves from their own incompetence? That theory has way more weight to me than a lucky shot from Oswald.
This is where you landed in 2023? lol.
you're the one who put that out there, so don't complain when people comment on it.
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In comment 16298733 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
Oswald alone....
Maybe Oswald was skilled enough to use that shitty rifle to kill Kennedy. It just seems too convenient that he is killed before the investigation can occur. And why on earth did the government go to such lengths to cover up virtually all the details of the assassination? To protect themselves from their own incompetence? That theory has way more weight to me than a lucky shot from Oswald.
They covered up all the details?
In November 1964, two months after the publication of its 888-page report, the Warren Commission published twenty-six volumes of supporting documents, including the testimony or depositions of 552 witnesses and more than 3,100 exhibits making a total of more than 16,000 pages.
As an aside, the NFL actually played that weekend, to widespread criticism. Believe the Giants lost to the then St. Louis Cardinals. 1963 was the last year of the 50's - early 60's Giant dominance. YA Tittle's last good year. Allie Sherman was a reigning "genius" coach. Sam Huff was traded after 1963 and the rest of the team finally showed its age. The wheels promptly fell off. Who knew?
I’m a BLMHS guy too, class of ‘74. It seems like there are a lot of folks on this board who went thru the parochial school system. Explains some things. 😎
JFK was popular with Americans, but not with Congress. He got very little done when alive. The Moon landing was an important exception. After his death the Congress (because of his death and public opinion) started to put into effect the legislation that JFK wanted but couldn't get passed when alive.
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pj, no. I landed on that years ago. And don’t be an ass.
you're the one who put that out there, so don't complain when people comment on it.
WTF are you talking about? You falsely derived that I landed on that conclusion in 2023 & yes you’re being a jackass.
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pj, no. I landed on that years ago. And don’t be an ass.
you're the one who put that out there, so don't complain when people comment on it.
WTF are you talking about? You falsely derived that I landed on that conclusion in 2023 & yes you’re being a jackass.
derived? I asked if that's where you landed there in 2023.
seems like you are pretty touchy on your views on the topic so maybe you should have avoided it.
When you comment on a public forum and get all bent out of shape when someone asks you a question on your comment - and then you project on someone else for being "an ass" for asking, maybe it's you.
On a side note….No one has still yet to convince me it wasn’t a conspiracy and Oswald wasn’t a pasty.
Anyways. Have a great Thanksgiving.
Anyways. Have a great Thanksgiving.
you are correct, my apologies for the snark, your view is the opposite of where most people land IMO, so that is why I was surprised.
60 year old sources and methods. hmmm?
His assassination was a national tragedy, but this idea that the US would have become a utopia of peace and harmony had he survived simply isn't realistic at all.
His assassination was a national tragedy, but this idea that the US would have become a utopia of peace and harmony had he survived simply isn't realistic at all.
LBJ committed the most consequential escalation. I think it's reasonable to question whether Kennedy would have done the same. LBJ took the most destructive course.
It is a fascinating ‘What if?’
For those interested, watch the new documentary, "JFK:What the Doctors Saw" on Paramount+. All the trauma room MD's attest that Kennedy's head wound was a result of a shot from the front.Same with the neck wound, from the front. Watch it and determine for yourself what to think regarding a conspiracy.
This documentary was recorded in 2013 and not shown until 11-14-23.
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In comment 16298733 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
Oswald alone....
Maybe Oswald was skilled enough to use that shitty rifle to kill Kennedy. It just seems too convenient that he is killed before the investigation can occur. And why on earth did the government go to such lengths to cover up virtually all the details of the assassination? To protect themselves from their own incompetence? That theory has way more weight to me than a lucky shot from Oswald.
They covered up all the details?
In November 1964, two months after the publication of its 888-page report, the Warren Commission published twenty-six volumes of supporting documents, including the testimony or depositions of 552 witnesses and more than 3,100 exhibits making a total of more than 16,000 pages.
Sure. If you're willing to be believe in that piece of fiction...
My teacher, gray-haired Miss Karper, also served as principal of our K-6 school, so she had a phone on her desk at the front corner of the room. It was extremely rare for the phone to ring during class, so I still remember the look of shock and horror on her bespectacled face when she heard the news (presumably from the school secretary) and announced to the class, "The President has been assassinated." It was, of course, surreal because the only such thing we kids were aware of, was the assassination of Abraham Lincoln, seemingly in ancient times. I remember a girl in the front row raising her hand and offering to walk classroom to classroom to deliver the news, as there was no intercom or internal phone system in the school.
Others have described the ghostly, cinematic nature of the weekend, spanning the first reports and speculation, and more: the killing of J.D. Tippett, the discovery of the sniper's nest, the capture of Oswald, the parading of him into the police station (with the presumed murder weapon held overhead by a detective), and on Sunday morning the live-on-TV murder of Oswald in plain sight by some old guy who bounded into the picture wearing a hat. For many of us, I suspect, the still photos of Jackie Kennedy wearing the blood-stained suit bore as much emotional weight as anything else. (For you youngsters, understand that color photos of all this wouldn't be available until the weekly newsmagazines were published a few days later. The black-and-white images were more than sad enough. Haunting.) Frames of the the Zapruder film, and others, wouldn't be published for a week or two, either, and at first they were only black-and-white images. The public wouldn't see a moving version for many years, I think. (Wikipedia backs me up on this.)
Marshall McLuhan and other academics have said that TV sets became the family fireplace, the "electronic hearth," replacing radios as the thing that brought folks together in the 2nd half of the 20th century. There's no question that the shared experience of the weekend, culminating with the funeral procession on Monday (following the assassination on Friday), brought the entire country together in horror and mourning. Even the millions of people who neither liked nor admired JFK shared the feelings of grief and disbelief at his untimely death. In that moment, the country was briefly united, and we all felt it.
I've veered away from personal recollection, except to say that my own experience was similar to that of everyone else during that first Everybody-is-seeing-the-same-thing-at-the-same-time event in the history of the United States. On Friday night, though, along with tens of millions of Americans, my parents (who didn't vote for Kennedy) took to me to our local church for a special service to honor the fallen President. At that time of year the days were short, and the feeling of darkness spread through the dimly lit church, and I daresay across the country, as we struggled to comprehend the tragedy of losing our young and vigorous leader. Even for a 10-year-old it was emotional to sing the Navy hymn, which I suspect most churches chose to honor JFK's service and his heroism on PT-109 – popularized in a big-screen movie that had been released in the summer, only a few months before.
Perhaps I'm romanticizing my recollections, but I don't think so. Regardless of one's opinion of JFK, there's little question that the entire country was shaken by the events. Confidence in the system and faith in the future were undermined if not shattered, and only the moon landing in 1969 helped to restore a measure of those lost feelings of hope. And then Watergate, the mess of Vietnam, and the energy crisis made the '70s an ever more discouraging time for the U.S.
For those of you remember those days, I hope I'm not exaggerating when I say that the assassination weekend seemed like a clear dividing line between Before and After. Regardless of our individual experiences, we all shared a collective, common one – and it didn't feel good.
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My personal belief is it didn't go down the way the Warren report said it did.
and the war machine lives on 60 years later :(
Occam's Razor.
I am not a conspiracy theorist at all. The JFK situation is the only one I actually believe. Have you been to Dealey Plaza? Each time I'm in Dallas I go there. Each time I'm there I'm more convinced that there's no way Oswald was the lone shooter.
Perhaps someday the full report will be issued. RFK Jr. has petitioned for release of the remaining documents.
Thats why I am surprised to hear that you were told that the President was "sick". That sounds more like the 2023 way of doing things rather than 1963.
Occam's Razor.
This is the exact opposite of Occam’s Razor. You are suggesting a conspiracy involve numerous people where thousands of things could have gone wrong and didn’t.
Occam’s Razoe would suggest Oswald acted alone. That is the simplest explanation.
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In comment 16298733 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
Oswald alone....
Maybe Oswald was skilled enough to use that shitty rifle to kill Kennedy. It just seems too convenient that he is killed before the investigation can occur. And why on earth did the government go to such lengths to cover up virtually all the details of the assassination? To protect themselves from their own incompetence? That theory has way more weight to me than a lucky shot from Oswald.
Oswald was rated as a midtier sharpshooter. He had skill. Was it enough to land a head shot at that range with that gun? I'm not expert enough to say. Maybe others here have insight.
There is no conspiracy.
There is no conspiracy.
I remember watching a show a while back that made the lone gunman theory seem more than plausible. Maybe that's the one. I'll check it out. Thanks.