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NFT: 11/22: Mets Offseason

Shecky : 11/22/2023 11:58 am
I was asked to post this last night, didn't get a chance

1) Spring Training Schedule: The Mets are preparing for their upcoming spring training games, with matches scheduled against the Nationals on February 26 and the Astros on February 25.

2) Hall of Fame Ballot Newbies: Notable players such as Big Sexy, Wright and Reyes are among the new candidates on the Hall of Fame ballot.

3) MLB Awards Week: Recently, MLB Awards Week took place, with results and analysis highlighting key players and performances in the league. This includes the announcement of Acuna and Ohtani as unanimous MVPs.

4) Management and Coaching Updates: The Mets have been making significant changes in their management and coaching staff, including a new 3-year contract for their manager, Mendoza.


Current State of the Coaching Staff
The Mets are currently grappling with a bench coach vacancy, a critical role for any MLB team. This comes alongside role shifts for Eric Chavez and Jeremy Barnes, who are now sharing hitting coach duties. These changes indicate a strategic reshuffle, aiming to bolster the team's coaching effectiveness.

New Additions and Hires
The introduction of Kris Gross and Andy Green in player development and amateur scouting is a significant move. Their expertise could be pivotal in nurturing the next generation of Mets stars, ensuring a bright future for the team.

Willie Randolph's Consideration
The consideration of Willie Randolph for the bench coach position was intriguing. His connection with Carlos Mendoza and vast experience bring a wealth of knowledge, though questions about his age and ability to connect with younger players remain.

Randolph's Tenure as Mets Manager
Randolph's tenure from 2005 to 2008, including the 2006 NLCS appearance and the 2007 collapse, was a rollercoaster of emotions for fans. His firing and legacy are still topics of discussion among the Mets community.

Other Candidates in the Mix
Phil Nevin and other potential candidates are also in the mix. Each brings unique strengths and perspectives, making the decision a critical one for the Mets' future success.

David Stearns' Leadership and Approach
Under David Stearns' leadership, the Mets are exploring unconventional methods and a collaborative decision-making process in staffing. This innovative approach could be a game-changer for the team.

Collaborative Decision-Making
The Mets' collaborative approach to staffing, blending experience with fresh perspectives, could set the stage for a dynamic and successful coaching team.

As a Mets fan, these developments fill me with both excitement and anticipation. The decisions made in the coming days will shape the future of our beloved team. Here's to hoping for a season of triumphs and a future as bright as the stars in Queens!

Mets' Pitching Strategy in the Wake of Cardinals' Market Moves
As a Mets fan, I've seen our share of ups and downs. The recent developments in our pitching strategy, especially in light of the Cardinals setting the market, have me both intrigued and cautiously optimistic.

The Search for Starting Pitchers
The Mets, under the leadership of David Stearns, are on a quest to fortify their rotation. With Kodai Senga and José Quintana as the only certain starters, the need for additional firepower is clear. Last season's 75-87 record is a stark reminder that to compete with the likes of the Braves and Phillies, we need to up our game. The prospect of adding a high-caliber pitcher is exciting and could be a significant step towards contention.

The Cost of Landing Starting Pitchers
The Cardinals have set a new benchmark by signing Lance Lynn and Kyle Gibson for $10 million and $12 million, respectively. This move has implications for the Mets, who now face the reality of spending significantly to acquire top-tier pitchers. However, the question remains: is it wise to invest heavily in uncertain pitchers?

Comparing Pitchers and Mets' Strategic Moves
Joey Lucchesi and Tylor Megill could offer similar value to Lynn, but the Mets' eyes are on bigger prizes. Yoshinobu Yamamoto and Jordan Montgomery are high on our list, offering a blend of talent and potential without the hefty price tag associated with qualifying offer players like
Blake Snell and Sonny Gray.

The Mets must avoid overpaying for injury-prone pitchers, a lesson perhaps they’ve learned. Yet here comes Luis Severino...

Tyler Glasnow's Career and Potential Trade Partners
Speaking of an injury-prone pitcher… Tyler Glasnow, currently with the Tampa Bay Rays, is a hot topic in the trade rumor mill. His impressive career stats, including a 3.89 ERA and 678 strikeouts, make him an attractive target. However, his injury history, including a recent oblique injury, is a concern.

The Mets, known for their deep pockets, could be a perfect landing spot for Glasnow. The Rays and the Phillies are potential trade partners, but the complexity of trade negotiations means anything could happen.

Avoiding Risky Investments
The Mets should steer clear of unreliable options. Investing in pitchers who offer quality and reliability, especially if they command a lower salary than the likes of Lynn and Gibson, is a smarter strategy.

The Fifth Starter Conundrum
Lucchesi, while not the most glamorous option, could be a reasonable gamble as a fifth starter. The ideal scenario? Signing Yamamoto and trading for a young, controllable arm, aligning with the Cardinals' approach but tailored to our needs.

The Disappointing 2023 Season and Rebuilding
After a disappointing 2023 season, where we saw the departure of key players like Justin Verlander and Max Scherzer, signing a player of Yamamoto's caliber is not just desirable but necessary. His ability to electrify the mound could be the catalyst for a much-needed turnaround.

The focus should be on securing Yamamoto and a young arm through trade, emphasizing smart financial decisions. His familiarity with Kodai Senga could be a significant advantage, potentially creating a formidable rotation duo.

The Pursuit of Yamamoto and Other Options
The Mets' aggressiveness in pursuing Yamamoto will be telling. If we fail to secure him, alternatives like Blake Snell (doubtful since he received a qualifying offer) and Jordan Montgomery are still on the table. However, the Mets' approach to free agency this season will be critical in shaping our future.

Mets Sign Bullpen Arm to Bolster Depth
In a strategic move, the Mets signed Cole Sulser to a minor league contract. Sulser, with a mixed performance in MLB, could become a valuable piece in the Mets' bullpen. This low-risk move shows the Mets' intent to address their bullpen issues, which was a key reason for their struggles last season.

Ronny Mauricio's Performance Review
Minor and Major League Breakdown
In the minors, Mauricio's stats were impressive: a .292 batting average, 23 homers, and 24 stolen bases over 116 games. But when he stepped up to the majors, we saw a dip - a .248 average with 2 home runs in 26 games. Despite this, his potential shines through.

Evaluating Mauricio's Future
Mauricio's journey has been a rollercoaster. Starting strong in winter ball, he faced a setback being sent down to AAA Syracuse due to Lindor's presence. However, his performance there - especially those highlight-worthy homers - was nothing short of impressive. His delayed promotion might have been a misstep by the Mets, but once he got his shot in September, boy, did he show flashes of brilliance!

Coleman Crow's Breakout Potential
Now, let's talk about Coleman Crow. This kid has skills that could make him a star, but there's a risk we might lose him in the Rule 5 draft. Keeping an eye on his development is crucial for the Mets' future strategy.

Coleman Crow, a promising Mets prospect, is at risk of being plucked from the organization due to the Rule 5 draft. His impressive performance in Double-A, including a 1.88 ERA and 31 strikeouts, makes him a valuable asset. The Mets face the challenge of balancing their roster while protecting their prospects.

LFGM
As a die-hard Mets fan and someone who's lived through the rollercoaster of emotions that comes with following this team, the latest developments in our pitching lineup have me on the edge of my seat.

From last Mets thread:
- The New York Mets are introduced Carlos Mendoza as their new manager.
- Deadline to add players to the 40-man roster.
- Some fans have expressed their opinions about potential coaching staff changes and candidates.
- Speculation about who the Mets might add to their 40-man roster.
- The Yankees are mentioned in trade discussions for players like Nick Senzel and Soto.
- The agent representing Yamamoto and Senga, Joel Wolfe, is also involved with Stanton and Diaz.

Calling on all the BBI Met threads old posters, for a good Royal Rumble of days past...


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Many things to gripe about this franchise over the years  
Shecky : 12/3/2023 10:18 pm : link
But one constant is the arms they call up to the pen each season are really, really bad. These minor signings are actually really important. They will not blow several games over the course of the year if they have arms to cycle in the minors.

But late Tuesday afternoon could change some things, for better or worse. Could we catch a break for once? Could also change the directions they choose to go too.
This team has brought a bunch of arms into the bullpen over the years  
CooperDash : 12/3/2023 10:24 pm : link
and the result is always bad. Sandy brought in a bunch that were all awful. Eppler’s additions were also piss poor. And we haven’t exactly drafted much support there either.

There have certain been some signings already (Maeda, Martinez, Pagan, Lopez) that I thought this team might be involved with considering the huge need. Don’t get me wrong - the depth signings are potentially great. But we should also be very active with the top shelf FAs as well. I just don’t see the urgency. Doesn’t meant it’s not there - but Atlanta is forging forward and they are already at the top of the mountain. Just saying.
And the Severino signing is like “kissing your sister”  
CooperDash : 12/3/2023 10:26 pm : link
Another “lightning in a bottle” type of signing. Stop fucking around and please focus on productive players.
RE: Many things to gripe about this franchise over the years  
GF1080 : 12/3/2023 10:38 pm : link
In comment 16312631 Shecky said:
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But one constant is the arms they call up to the pen each season are really, really bad. These minor signings are actually really important. They will not blow several games over the course of the year if they have arms to cycle in the minors.

But late Tuesday afternoon could change some things, for better or worse. Could we catch a break for once? Could also change the directions they choose to go too.


What's going down late Tuesday afternoon?
RE: RE: Many things to gripe about this franchise over the years  
SJGiant : 12/3/2023 10:44 pm : link
In comment 16312648 GF1080 said:
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But one constant is the arms they call up to the pen each season are really, really bad. These minor signings are actually really important. They will not blow several games over the course of the year if they have arms to cycle in the minors.

But late Tuesday afternoon could change some things, for better or worse. Could we catch a break for once? Could also change the directions they choose to go too.



What's going down late Tuesday afternoon?


I assume he is referencing the MLB draft lottery.
RE: RE: RE: Many things to gripe about this franchise over the years  
GF1080 : 12/3/2023 10:46 pm : link
In comment 16312656 SJGiant said:
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But one constant is the arms they call up to the pen each season are really, really bad. These minor signings are actually really important. They will not blow several games over the course of the year if they have arms to cycle in the minors.

But late Tuesday afternoon could change some things, for better or worse. Could we catch a break for once? Could also change the directions they choose to go too.



What's going down late Tuesday afternoon?



I assume he is referencing the MLB draft lottery.


That's right good call!
Oh man trigger warning  
Eric on Li : 12/3/2023 10:50 pm : link
Don’t look at the braves most recent trade lol
RE: And the Severino signing is like “kissing your sister”  
Eric on Li : 12/3/2023 10:52 pm : link
In comment 16312637 CooperDash said:
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Another “lightning in a bottle” type of signing. Stop fucking around and please focus on productive players.


If your sister was the 2nd most expensive date on the market right now.

The point isn’t severino it is that nobody has come off the board yet anywhere. Every teams fans is waiting for something substantial to happen.
Would you spree better if  
Shecky : 12/3/2023 11:01 pm : link
They signed a RP (Severino) who could start if needed. And you can move on from in a year?
CAPPPPOOOOONNNEEEEEE  
Shecky : 12/3/2023 11:03 pm : link
Would love to hear your thoughts on the trade
Salary dump, so what’s next?

And heard Kelenic was rubbing some the wrong way.

Would love to hear your input.
RE: Oh man trigger warning  
GF1080 : 12/3/2023 11:07 pm : link
In comment 16312669 Eric on Li said:
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Don’t look at the braves most recent trade lol


You've got to be kidding.
RE: Would you spree better if  
GF1080 : 12/3/2023 11:08 pm : link
In comment 16312682 Shecky said:
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They signed a RP (Severino) who could start if needed. And you can move on from in a year?


The problem is we have no idea what Seve as a RP looks like.
RE: CAPPPPOOOOONNNEEEEEE  
Eric on Li : 12/3/2023 11:15 pm : link
In comment 16312686 Shecky said:
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Would love to hear your thoughts on the trade
Salary dump, so what’s next?

And heard Kelenic was rubbing some the wrong way.

Would love to hear your input.



Ken Rosenthal
@Ken_Rosenthal
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The full deal, per
@RyanDivish
: Mariners send Kelenic, LHP Marco Gonzales and 1B Evan White to Braves for pitchers Jackson Kowar and Cole Phillips.

trying to fire up the simulator to see how they value this since i think it's mostly moving money but their hamster wheel is broken.
RE: RE: CAPPPPOOOOONNNEEEEEE  
GF1080 : 12/3/2023 11:21 pm : link
In comment 16312694 Eric on Li said:
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Would love to hear your thoughts on the trade
Salary dump, so what’s next?

And heard Kelenic was rubbing some the wrong way.

Would love to hear your input.




Ken Rosenthal
@Ken_Rosenthal
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The full deal, per
@RyanDivish
: Mariners send Kelenic, LHP Marco Gonzales and 1B Evan White to Braves for pitchers Jackson Kowar and Cole Phillips.

trying to fire up the simulator to see how they value this since i think it's mostly moving money but their hamster wheel is broken.


When does ATL take on money? I know all the beats are reporting as such but come on they see the talent in Kelenic and he did start to put it together last year.
You just know Kelenic  
moespree : 12/3/2023 11:34 pm : link
Will hit like 15 homers a season against the Mets. Even if he does absolutely nothing else at all against anyone else, he'll do that.
RE: RE: RE: CAPPPPOOOOONNNEEEEEE  
Eric on Li : 12/3/2023 11:36 pm : link
In comment 16312702 GF1080 said:
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When does ATL take on money? I know all the beats are reporting as such but come on they see the talent in Kelenic and he did start to put it together last year.


white is set to make 7m this year, 8m next year, 2m buyout in 2026. hasn't played in mlb since 2021.

gonzalez on books for 12.25m this year, no buyout next year. xera's around 5 the last 3 seasons, all below replacement level.



so i think atlanta took on about $30m over 2 years to get kelenic for 1 pre-arb and 4 arb years?

would have been such a boss move by cohen to buy kelenic back, but i dont think the k-rate is what they are looking for.
Rays  
GF1080 : 12/3/2023 11:54 pm : link
Mets should give up a big deal and get Paredes and Arosarena. I'd empty the farm for the pair. Everyone on the table but Alvarez.
Typo above  
GF1080 : 12/3/2023 11:55 pm : link
Arozarena
RE: RE: Oh man trigger warning  
moze1021 : 12/4/2023 7:34 am : link
In comment 16312690 GF1080 said:
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Don’t look at the braves most recent trade lol



You've got to be kidding.


LOL... can't make this arc up.. crazy
Kelenic was still only 23 last year  
KDavies : 12/4/2023 8:57 am : link
destined to bit the Mets in the years to come. Braves will sign him to a 10 year, $30 million contract and he will have a breakout season
If the Mets are indeed in on Lee  
DanMetroMan : 12/4/2023 8:57 am : link
Have to believe @mets are one of the teams that view Lee as a legitimate CF option (even just occasionally). Bat probably a little light as a full-time corner + @WillSammon’s noting they are looking for defensive help in CF/Stearns suggesting Nimmo *may* see some CO time #Mets
Hope we see some bigger movement  
Sammo85 : 12/4/2023 10:06 am : link
this week with some trades, signings.
Mets  
GF1080 : 12/4/2023 10:13 am : link
Mets have spoke with Michael Taylor.
guessing 1 nym WM move id go motgomery  
Eric on Li : 12/4/2023 10:16 am : link
i think the wider sp market starts moving pre-yamamoto decision as teams find out they arent making the cut (of which there are likely to be many since apparently the whole league was interested).

mets really need 2 long term SP signed. senga has 2 years until opt out. quintana and severino are 1 year guys. even if peterson comes back healthy and wins a legitimate spot he's only got 2 arb years left after 24. megill has 3.

so ideally i think mets would want to solidify 2 spots of their rotation for the long term this offseason and it seems like their 2 favorite options are yamamoto and montgomery. if they miss on yamamoto that probably leads to a guy like giolito and then being back in market next year for burnes.
RE: RE: Many things to gripe about this franchise over the years  
Optimus-NY : 12/4/2023 10:25 am : link
In comment 16312648 GF1080 said:
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But one constant is the arms they call up to the pen each season are really, really bad. These minor signings are actually really important. They will not blow several games over the course of the year if they have arms to cycle in the minors.

But late Tuesday afternoon could change some things, for better or worse. Could we catch a break for once? Could also change the directions they choose to go too.



What's going down late Tuesday afternoon?


MLB Lottery will take place at 5:30 pm EDT tomorrow.
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DanMetroMan : 12/4/2023 10:29 am : link
I like Taylor but Taylor/Marte and unproven Stewart potentially could result in @mets
having the worse offensive OF in baseball. Not eager to “expect” a Marte rebound and a Stewart repeat, Taylor as an extra OFer is one thing, as the starting CF with Nimmo moving to LF... major yuck.
RE: RE: RE: Many things to gripe about this franchise over the years  
Shecky : 12/4/2023 10:29 am : link
In comment 16312979 Optimus-NY said:
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But one constant is the arms they call up to the pen each season are really, really bad. These minor signings are actually really important. They will not blow several games over the course of the year if they have arms to cycle in the minors.

But late Tuesday afternoon could change some things, for better or worse. Could we catch a break for once? Could also change the directions they choose to go too.



What's going down late Tuesday afternoon?



MLB Lottery will take place at 5:30 pm EDT tomorrow.


For a quiet leak free offseason, wouldn't that be something if the national writers starting hearing things before then? ;)
The Athletic anonymous poll of MLB agents  
DanMetroMan : 12/4/2023 10:31 am : link
8. Will David Stearns’ small-market success translate in New York?

Yes: 14 votes
1 No
1 maybe
Gulp  
DanMetroMan : 12/4/2023 10:44 am : link
Jon Morosi
@jonmorosi
Sources: Braves are among the teams still engaged with Shohei Ohtani’s camp, as I reported in this @MLBNetwork
segment. @MLB
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JayBinQueens : 12/4/2023 10:45 am : link
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But one constant is the arms they call up to the pen each season are really, really bad. These minor signings are actually really important. They will not blow several games over the course of the year if they have arms to cycle in the minors.

But late Tuesday afternoon could change some things, for better or worse. Could we catch a break for once? Could also change the directions they choose to go too.



What's going down late Tuesday afternoon?



MLB Lottery will take place at 5:30 pm EDT tomorrow.



For a quiet leak free offseason, wouldn't that be something if the national writers starting hearing things before then? ;)


Stop making me think Yammamoto or Ohtani is happening lol
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DanMetroMan : 12/4/2023 10:49 am : link
Horrendous 2023 but I still like Nate Eaton as a potential bench player. Career +9 DRS/+3 OAA in the OF, can play all over the field. Elite arm and sprint speed. Posted 0.9 fWAR in 2022 over 44 games played #Mets
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DanMetroMan : 12/4/2023 11:35 am : link
@BaseballAmerica's scouting grades for Jung Hoo Lee Hit: 60. Power: 45. Speed: 55. Fielding: 50. Arm: 45. They project him as a lead-off type of hitter who posts a high OBP. 10-15 homer power. Iffy range for CF
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DanMetroMan : 12/4/2023 11:37 am : link
@BaseballAmerica
published their Yankees top 10 this morning. Their system is in good shape. They are lower on Thorpe than I am (#7 in their system). Liked Lalane a lot when I watched him in 2022 in the DSL. 6'7" lefty

Spoke to Seidler about Thorpe yesterday and he says BP will have him in their top 50-60 range when their list comes out.
.  
DanMetroMan : 12/4/2023 11:40 am : link
@BaseballAmerica on Yoshinobu Yamamoto-Fastball: 60. Curveball: 60. Slider: 55. Splitter: 60. Control: 60. Projects him as a #2 SP who has a chance to compete for CY awards #Mets
It’s interesting, after last season  
Rory : 12/4/2023 11:51 am : link
I felt Nimmo had at least 2 more years at CF before Jett takes over. Looks like it could be as soon as this offseason.
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GF1080 : 12/4/2023 11:54 am : link
In comment 16313087 DanMetroMan said:
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@BaseballAmerica
published their Yankees top 10 this morning. Their system is in good shape. They are lower on Thorpe than I am (#7 in their system). Liked Lalane a lot when I watched him in 2022 in the DSL. 6'7" lefty

Spoke to Seidler about Thorpe yesterday and he says BP will have him in their top 50-60 range when their list comes out.


That's pretty surprising on Thorpe. They'll be the odd man out on that one.
Rosado  
DanMetroMan : 12/4/2023 12:05 pm : link
the final coaching hire

Rosado has KBO experience. Certainly expect them to pick his brain regarding both Lee and Go #Mets
RE: It’s interesting, after last season  
DanMetroMan : 12/4/2023 12:06 pm : link
In comment 16313097 Rory said:
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I felt Nimmo had at least 2 more years at CF before Jett takes over. Looks like it could be as soon as this offseason.

Stearns said they expected Nimmo to be the CFer but might see some time in the corners "if it makes sense". Can't imagine they land a CFer who is of "starters" quality or that they would move Nimmo for Lee.
,  
DanMetroMan : 12/4/2023 12:17 pm : link
New @mets bullpen coach @joserosadojs served as the pitching coach for the 2015 @TrentonThunder. A team that featured a then 21 year old Luis Severino. If nothing else, @mets are putting Severino in position to succeed #Mets
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Eric on Li : 12/4/2023 12:27 pm : link
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@BaseballAmerica
published their Yankees top 10 this morning. Their system is in good shape. They are lower on Thorpe than I am (#7 in their system). Liked Lalane a lot when I watched him in 2022 in the DSL. 6'7" lefty

Spoke to Seidler about Thorpe yesterday and he says BP will have him in their top 50-60 range when their list comes out.



That's pretty surprising on Thorpe. They'll be the odd man out on that one.


no statcast available but pipeline says thorpe sits 89-93 and i cant imagine there are very many pitching prospects who are going to rank top 50 without velocity. also left his last start early in sept and ended the season on IL (no idea what the issue was, nyy kept it quiet).

here are 2 keith law write-ups on thorpe, first from sept 20 and second from may 31 after seeing him in person (he seems more with BA than BP):

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Drew Thorpe, RHP, New York Yankees
Thorpe is a great example of a minor-league pitcher whose performance and projection don’t line up — he led all minor-league pitchers in strikeouts this year with 182, ranking third among starters with a 34 percent strikeout rate, and had the best differential between his strikeout and walk rates among minor-league starters at 26.9 percent (that’s just strikeout rate minus walk rate). I wrote up Thorpe when I saw him with Hudson Valley in May, and raised questions about whether the fastball would really play against better hitters, acknowledging that his changeup is easily a plus pitch and he’s got more than enough breaking ball. Here the point is who had the best season, though, not who has the most upside, and Thorpe had the best season of any minor-league starter this year, posting a 2.52 ERA in 139 1/3 innings between High A and Double A.


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• Thorpe was their second-round pick last year out of Cal Poly-San Luis Obispo, offering a plus changeup and above-average curveball that, one hoped, would be enough to make up for a below-average heater. The formula isn’t working right now, as Wilmington’s hitters had no problem with his flat fastball at 91-93 mph, limiting his ability to get to the changeup, which is easily plus with great arm speed and some late fading action, or above-average curveball at 81-84 mph. Thorpe’s delivery has a ton of effort for someone who isn’t throwing that hard – in baseball terms, that is – with some head-whack at the end, in large part because he starts really accelerating his arm before his front leg is planted. He does throw strikes, but doesn’t have great fastball command to spot it where it’ll be harder to square up, and that delivery isn’t going to let him get there. He’s a Potemkin starter – it looks OK on the surface, but even a cursory look shows it’s not what it seems.


a package headlined with him and king (plus a bunch of other stuff) is reasonable but i dont think either alone is a "cant turn down" headliner - which is why i think SD feels compelled to ask for as big of a package as they are. maybe im seeing ghosts but this feels like a typical nyy "sell the guy high while you can".

verdugo was coming off a 2 fwar age 23 season playing mostly CF when he headlined the betts trade. and downs was a 20 year old with a 1.100 ops in AA ranked top 50 by mlb and top 100 by ba, and they ate the price $. the met equivalent of that package is probably closer to alvarez + jett than anything else in mets system, though if you squint and get creative with 3rd teams i think there's an argument for something like baty + acuna + other stuff creating enough value (which is the type of package id at least submit even if it doesnt win the day).
Seidler  
DanMetroMan : 12/4/2023 12:37 pm : link
“ by purely a basic pitch level analytic outcome sense Thorpe's changeup is the single best pitch of any significant prospect but because he pitched in the dead spots for public data nobody knows just how high his whiff/chase rates were running”
RE: Seidler  
Eric on Li : 12/4/2023 12:53 pm : link
In comment 16313144 DanMetroMan said:
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“ by purely a basic pitch level analytic outcome sense Thorpe's changeup is the single best pitch of any significant prospect but because he pitched in the dead spots for public data nobody knows just how high his whiff/chase rates were running”


even if we take that as fact if a fb doesnt play that's a big impact on a changeup. im not saying it will or wont (i have no idea) but law/ba seem to think there's sig risk it wont even though they arent in the data dead spot.
I  
DanMetroMan : 12/4/2023 1:39 pm : link
expect the Mets to take a pitcher in the rule 5 but here is a name to watch if they don't... Justin Dirden
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DanMetroMan : 12/4/2023 3:24 pm : link
Not gonna lie... I knew Josh Naylor had a nice season, I didn't realize he hit .308/.354/.489 with 48 extra base hits and only 68 k's. As a team Cleveland only struck out 1,142 times but they also only hit 124 HR's
Window  
DanMetroMan : 12/4/2023 3:44 pm : link
opens tomorrow for both Lee and Go (8 am) 30 days to sign
Ohtani  
DanMetroMan : 12/4/2023 3:47 pm : link
met with the Giants on Saturday. Finalists believed to be Dodgers, Cubs, Blue Jays, Angels, and Giants
RE: Ohtani  
moze1021 : 12/4/2023 3:48 pm : link
In comment 16313372 DanMetroMan said:
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met with the Giants on Saturday. Finalists believed to be Dodgers, Cubs, Blue Jays, Angels, and Giants


sigh
RE: RE: Ohtani  
moze1021 : 12/4/2023 3:49 pm : link
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met with the Giants on Saturday. Finalists believed to be Dodgers, Cubs, Blue Jays, Angels, and Giants



sigh


Rooting for Blue Jays and Angels I guess.
Heyman  
DanMetroMan : 12/4/2023 3:56 pm : link
"And multiple interested execs say Yamamoto also will hold meetings after teams leave here Wednesday."
Source  
DanMetroMan : 12/4/2023 4:08 pm : link
told Olney he thinks Giolito gets something similar to what Taillon got (4 for 68)
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