I was asked to post this last night, didn't get a chance
1) Spring Training Schedule: The Mets are preparing for their upcoming spring training games, with matches scheduled against the Nationals on February 26 and the Astros on February 25.
2) Hall of Fame Ballot Newbies: Notable players such as Big Sexy, Wright and Reyes are among the new candidates on the Hall of Fame ballot.
3) MLB Awards Week: Recently, MLB Awards Week took place, with results and analysis highlighting key players and performances in the league. This includes the announcement of Acuna and Ohtani as unanimous MVPs.
4) Management and Coaching Updates: The Mets have been making significant changes in their management and coaching staff, including a new 3-year contract for their manager, Mendoza.
Current State of the Coaching Staff
The Mets are currently grappling with a bench coach vacancy, a critical role for any MLB team. This comes alongside role shifts for Eric Chavez and Jeremy Barnes, who are now sharing hitting coach duties. These changes indicate a strategic reshuffle, aiming to bolster the team's coaching effectiveness.
New Additions and Hires
The introduction of Kris Gross and Andy Green in player development and amateur scouting is a significant move. Their expertise could be pivotal in nurturing the next generation of Mets stars, ensuring a bright future for the team.
Willie Randolph's Consideration
The consideration of Willie Randolph for the bench coach position was intriguing. His connection with Carlos Mendoza and vast experience bring a wealth of knowledge, though questions about his age and ability to connect with younger players remain.
Randolph's Tenure as Mets Manager
Randolph's tenure from 2005 to 2008, including the 2006 NLCS appearance and the 2007 collapse, was a rollercoaster of emotions for fans. His firing and legacy are still topics of discussion among the Mets community.
Other Candidates in the Mix
Phil Nevin and other potential candidates are also in the mix. Each brings unique strengths and perspectives, making the decision a critical one for the Mets' future success.
David Stearns' Leadership and Approach
Under David Stearns' leadership, the Mets are exploring unconventional methods and a collaborative decision-making process in staffing. This innovative approach could be a game-changer for the team.
Collaborative Decision-Making
The Mets' collaborative approach to staffing, blending experience with fresh perspectives, could set the stage for a dynamic and successful coaching team.
As a Mets fan, these developments fill me with both excitement and anticipation. The decisions made in the coming days will shape the future of our beloved team. Here's to hoping for a season of triumphs and a future as bright as the stars in Queens!
Mets' Pitching Strategy in the Wake of Cardinals' Market Moves
As a Mets fan, I've seen our share of ups and downs. The recent developments in our pitching strategy, especially in light of the Cardinals setting the market, have me both intrigued and cautiously optimistic.
The Search for Starting Pitchers
The Mets, under the leadership of David Stearns, are on a quest to fortify their rotation. With Kodai Senga and José Quintana as the only certain starters, the need for additional firepower is clear. Last season's 75-87 record is a stark reminder that to compete with the likes of the Braves and Phillies, we need to up our game. The prospect of adding a high-caliber pitcher is exciting and could be a significant step towards contention.
The Cost of Landing Starting Pitchers
The Cardinals have set a new benchmark by signing Lance Lynn and Kyle Gibson for $10 million and $12 million, respectively. This move has implications for the Mets, who now face the reality of spending significantly to acquire top-tier pitchers. However, the question remains: is it wise to invest heavily in uncertain pitchers?
Comparing Pitchers and Mets' Strategic Moves
Joey Lucchesi and Tylor Megill could offer similar value to Lynn, but the Mets' eyes are on bigger prizes. Yoshinobu Yamamoto and Jordan Montgomery are high on our list, offering a blend of talent and potential without the hefty price tag associated with qualifying offer players like
Blake Snell and Sonny Gray.
The Mets must avoid overpaying for injury-prone pitchers, a lesson perhaps they’ve learned. Yet here comes Luis Severino...
Tyler Glasnow's Career and Potential Trade Partners
Speaking of an injury-prone pitcher… Tyler Glasnow, currently with the Tampa Bay Rays, is a hot topic in the trade rumor mill. His impressive career stats, including a 3.89 ERA and 678 strikeouts, make him an attractive target. However, his injury history, including a recent oblique injury, is a concern.
The Mets, known for their deep pockets, could be a perfect landing spot for Glasnow. The Rays and the Phillies are potential trade partners, but the complexity of trade negotiations means anything could happen.
Avoiding Risky Investments
The Mets should steer clear of unreliable options. Investing in pitchers who offer quality and reliability, especially if they command a lower salary than the likes of Lynn and Gibson, is a smarter strategy.
The Fifth Starter Conundrum
Lucchesi, while not the most glamorous option, could be a reasonable gamble as a fifth starter. The ideal scenario? Signing Yamamoto and trading for a young, controllable arm, aligning with the Cardinals' approach but tailored to our needs.
The Disappointing 2023 Season and Rebuilding
After a disappointing 2023 season, where we saw the departure of key players like Justin Verlander and Max Scherzer, signing a player of Yamamoto's caliber is not just desirable but necessary. His ability to electrify the mound could be the catalyst for a much-needed turnaround.
The focus should be on securing Yamamoto and a young arm through trade, emphasizing smart financial decisions. His familiarity with Kodai Senga could be a significant advantage, potentially creating a formidable rotation duo.
The Pursuit of Yamamoto and Other Options
The Mets' aggressiveness in pursuing Yamamoto will be telling. If we fail to secure him, alternatives like Blake Snell (doubtful since he received a qualifying offer) and Jordan Montgomery are still on the table. However, the Mets' approach to free agency this season will be critical in shaping our future.
Mets Sign Bullpen Arm to Bolster Depth
In a strategic move, the Mets signed Cole Sulser to a minor league contract. Sulser, with a mixed performance in MLB, could become a valuable piece in the Mets' bullpen. This low-risk move shows the Mets' intent to address their bullpen issues, which was a key reason for their struggles last season.
Ronny Mauricio's Performance Review
Minor and Major League Breakdown
In the minors, Mauricio's stats were impressive: a .292 batting average, 23 homers, and 24 stolen bases over 116 games. But when he stepped up to the majors, we saw a dip - a .248 average with 2 home runs in 26 games. Despite this, his potential shines through.
Evaluating Mauricio's Future
Mauricio's journey has been a rollercoaster. Starting strong in winter ball, he faced a setback being sent down to AAA Syracuse due to Lindor's presence. However, his performance there - especially those highlight-worthy homers - was nothing short of impressive. His delayed promotion might have been a misstep by the Mets, but once he got his shot in September, boy, did he show flashes of brilliance!
Coleman Crow's Breakout Potential
Now, let's talk about Coleman Crow. This kid has skills that could make him a star, but there's a risk we might lose him in the Rule 5 draft. Keeping an eye on his development is crucial for the Mets' future strategy.
Coleman Crow, a promising Mets prospect, is at risk of being plucked from the organization due to the Rule 5 draft. His impressive performance in Double-A, including a 1.88 ERA and 31 strikeouts, makes him a valuable asset. The Mets face the challenge of balancing their roster while protecting their prospects.
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As a die-hard Mets fan and someone who's lived through the rollercoaster of emotions that comes with following this team, the latest developments in our pitching lineup have me on the edge of my seat.
From last Mets thread:
- The New York Mets are introduced Carlos Mendoza as their new manager.
- Deadline to add players to the 40-man roster.
- Some fans have expressed their opinions about potential coaching staff changes and candidates.
- Speculation about who the Mets might add to their 40-man roster.
- The Yankees are mentioned in trade discussions for players like Nick Senzel and Soto.
- The agent representing Yamamoto and Senga, Joel Wolfe, is also involved with Stanton and Diaz.
Calling on all the BBI Met threads old posters, for a good Royal Rumble of days past...
Previous Mets thread: Mets to introduce Carlos Mendoza at noon - (
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Free-agent reliever Joe Kelly and the Los Angeles Dodgers are “very close” to an agreement, according to sources familiar with the situation. All indications are that a deal will get done.
Would have been a nice add.
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Free-agent reliever Joe Kelly and the Los Angeles Dodgers are “very close” to an agreement, according to sources familiar with the situation. All indications are that a deal will get done.
im pretty surprised mets havent added at least 1 reliever so far since that market has had some movement. i didnt love the sevy signing but im glad they had the conviction to see something they liked and take a chance. they need 3 or 4 rp at least, hard to believe there arent 1 or 2 they really like and are worth getting aggressive on.
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Update: The Orioles are showing interest in Robert Stephenson, as the bullpen market has begun to move more rapidly. Baltimore is looking for an impact arm in Bautista’s absence.
both him and grisham (reverse splits) would be interesting salary dumps. though i think grisham obviously makes sense to nyy in a soto deal.
He’s a contact hitter with fringy power, reaching double-digit homers in the hitter-friendly KBO just twice in seven seasons, with 23 in 2022 as his high mark. He’s strong enough for doubles power but has to muscle up so much to get to over-the-fence power that it takes him out of his usual swing and approach. He’s a capable defender in centerfield but isn’t a burner and doesn’t have huge range, so he may end up in a corner in MLB. He’s the best hitter in Korea right now, and while the pitching he’s faced isn’t at the level of MLB pitching, he’s done everything you might reasonably ask a hitter to do in that environment, making a lot of hard contact and rarely swinging and missing, with some platoon split and not a ton of power."
Would love to get Paredes. Still has developing power as well. Wonder what they would want.
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I haven't seen @mets connected but I have to believe Stearns will check in on Paredes, who is reportedly available. Only going to be 25 in 2024, cost will be high but very good young player signed through 2027 #Mets
Would love to get Paredes. Still has developing power as well. Wonder what they would want.
I only mention him because TB apparently is shopping him. Maybe take back Margot's $ as well if it makes the price lower. Parades won't be cheap either way (even with Margot) but he's the kind of player I would give up a lot for. 4 3b struck out less than him despite 31 homers.
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I haven't seen @mets connected but I have to believe Stearns will check in on Paredes, who is reportedly available. Only going to be 25 in 2024, cost will be high but very good young player signed through 2027 #Mets
Would love to get Paredes. Still has developing power as well. Wonder what they would want.
I only mention him because TB apparently is shopping him. Maybe take back Margot's $ as well if it makes the price lower. Parades won't be cheap either way (even with Margot) but he's the kind of player I would give up a lot for. 4 3b struck out less than him despite 31 homers.
Yup couldn't agree more. Baty and more I would do.
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The Yankees and Padres' trade talks are at a complete stalemate, with the Yankees saying the Padres' request of 7 players for All-Star outfielder Juan Soto is unrealistic:
Michael King
Clark Schmidt
Drew Thorpe
Randy Vazquez
Jhonny Brito
Two prospects
And taking CF Trent Grisham
i took a deeper look when GF mentioned Thorpe's year last year as significantly better than Tidwell and he does look pretty underrated (not being on top 100's).
King and Thorpe are 2 solid pieces the mets don't have, even if it seems like a near lock that King turns into a 29 year old pumpkin as soon as yankees deal him.
I do imagine they'd be able to get pieces like that from a 3rd team like Miami for Baty or Mauricio if they wished to.
paredes would be a good add but i also have to think the price is going to be close to as significant as soto, so not sure what the point is. his ceiling w/ the bat is probably lower than soto's floor. same age. different positions but mets have enough options at 3b that's not a big deal.
i think they are definitely light on soto's value (they have it less than Baty or Mauricio straight up)
but they also seem overly high on both king/schmidt whose values they also have as big enough to get soto straight up.
soto is a unique case so not sure there's an easy comp for him other than looking back at the betts trade and roughly matching or slightly exceeding that.
i think they are definitely light on soto's value (they have it less than Baty or Mauricio straight up)
but they also seem overly high on both king/schmidt whose values they also have as big enough to get soto straight up.
soto is a unique case so not sure there's an easy comp for him other than looking back at the betts trade and roughly matching or slightly exceeding that.
No disrespect intended but any site that regards Baty or Mauricio worth MORE than Soto clearly has limitations...
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Top prospect Jackson Chourio’s deal with the Milwaukee Brewers will be official today. It will guarantee eight years and $82 million with two club options that can max value at $142.5 million, sources tell ESPN. News on the 19-year-old at ESPN:
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though it also has the padres ask from the yankees worth 3x soto.
i think they are definitely light on soto's value (they have it less than Baty or Mauricio straight up)
but they also seem overly high on both king/schmidt whose values they also have as big enough to get soto straight up.
soto is a unique case so not sure there's an easy comp for him other than looking back at the betts trade and roughly matching or slightly exceeding that.
No disrespect intended but any site that regards Baty or Mauricio worth MORE than Soto clearly has limitations...
their formula is pretty simple statistically for MLB players:
price of war they produce
- cost of contract/years of control
= surplus value
they project soto as having 57m worth of value remaining under contract
his contract projects at 33m
so his surplus is 24m. pretty simple calculation for major leaguers with track records/contracts.
what isn't in the calculation is that he's a 25 year old unicorn and trading for him also has some level of impact on securing him long term beyond the 1 year. teams trading for him are going to want to sign him for 10+ potential prime years, so in theory you could project his surplus at $45m aav as 10m x12 years = 100+ (which is closer but higher to where pads are valuing him, not as a rental and not as a player with 3 years of cheap control, but as an expensive HOF'er who will be worth a near $500m contract)
btw their calculation on alonso based on what our expectations are for a trade seem accurate:
33m worth of value left
22m contract
11m surplus
11m is basically the value of a fringe top 5 prospect, which is probably about what is the reasonable price for alonso. soto's value is more in line with top prospects (his value is equal to acuna/gilbert, and normally a top rental is probably not bringing back more than 1 top prospect).
their young MLB player calculations are where i think things are total guesswork because you are making difficult projections on players like baty/mauricio/king and then multiplying those projections over 5 or 6 years of cheap control.
obviously that methodology is going to value years of cheap control significantly as a force multiplier. which teams do as well (especially for young players they really believe in).
i would imagine their prospect values are mostly derived from top 100 lists/prospect grades from fg, pipeline, ba, etc. so obviously these values arent going to be nearly as accurate as mlb players with real track records.
i think Preller says "baty works as a headliner but i need more because we both know you arent trading for soto just to keep him for 1 year".
i also think he directs him back to the Betts trade - i dont know what this evaluator would have said but id imagine:
verdugo was worth more than baty,
downs was a top 50 prospect at the time so he probably had a 20+ surplus value,
and they took on price $.
so that results in a trade of Baty + Acuna or Gilbert + another prospect + equivalent of taking on $16m/year of price's deal.
so that was probably closer to the 70+ surplus value deal the pads are asking of the yankees.
that type of package is right in the value ballpark of what they are asking of the yankees.
Their AFV numbers appear to be inflated.
Their AFV numbers appear to be inflated.
you can judge for yourself but it's basically their version of steamer or zips (which prove to be pretty reliable in aggregate, szymborksi actually just posted this evaluation of the 2023 zips projections the other day, spreads on pitchers/era+ was similar).
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Wade Miley back to Brewers on 1 year deal. I thought we might see him for the Mets on a 1 year given the Stearns connection.
Wade Miley back to Brewers on 1 year deal. I thought we might see him for the Mets on a 1 year given the Stearns connection.
Makes sense that these Japanese players would prefer the West coast. Stinks for us, though. Only way to get them is in a massive overpay.
2. doesn't think yankees will spend on both soto and yamamoto
also just tweeted this:
Andy Martino
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Mets shopping list at winter meetings: an outfielder, free agent starting pitching and relief pitching.
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Mets are still in on Yamamoto, but that won’t happen in Nashville.
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Yoshinobu Yamamoto is coming to the U.S. within the next week to meet with MLB teams. The Mets will be among those teams.
2. doesn't think yankees will spend on both soto and yamamoto
also just tweeted this:
Andy Martino
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Mets shopping list at winter meetings: an outfielder, free agent starting pitching and relief pitching.
Looking forward to the Mets getting started on any of the things on their shopping list. I’m tired of hearing about the Braves moves.
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1. thinks mets will be high $ on yamamoto
2. doesn't think yankees will spend on both soto and yamamoto
also just tweeted this:
Andy Martino
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Mets shopping list at winter meetings: an outfielder, free agent starting pitching and relief pitching.
Looking forward to the Mets getting started on any of the things on their shopping list. I’m tired of hearing about the Braves moves.
one way or another the mets will add at least $50m to the 2024 payroll. id probably take the over on that too.
i think braves are already above where they were last year so who knows how much more they plan to spend so their moves are more likely to be trades, which if good cost controlled players will be costly.
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1. thinks mets will be high $ on yamamoto
2. doesn't think yankees will spend on both soto and yamamoto
also just tweeted this:
Andy Martino
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Mets shopping list at winter meetings: an outfielder, free agent starting pitching and relief pitching.
Looking forward to the Mets getting started on any of the things on their shopping list. I’m tired of hearing about the Braves moves.
"I didn't hear it" = It's not happening?
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1. thinks mets will be high $ on yamamoto
2. doesn't think yankees will spend on both soto and yamamoto
also just tweeted this:
Andy Martino
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Mets shopping list at winter meetings: an outfielder, free agent starting pitching and relief pitching.
Looking forward to the Mets getting started on any of the things on their shopping list. I’m tired of hearing about the Braves moves.
"I didn't hear it" = It's not happening?
Predictable response from the predictable poster.
Gee, thanks Captain Obvious. Yes, I’m fully aware that there may be conversations going on that we all aren’t privy to. BUT, moves are being made that I figured the Mets would be involved in - while the Mets are instead signing AAA fodder. It has been a big area of concern. And I’m surprised we haven’t jumped on the market yet…given our resources. Appreciate your response.
But late Tuesday afternoon could change some things, for better or worse. Could we catch a break for once? Could also change the directions they choose to go too.
There have certain been some signings already (Maeda, Martinez, Pagan, Lopez) that I thought this team might be involved with considering the huge need. Don’t get me wrong - the depth signings are potentially great. But we should also be very active with the top shelf FAs as well. I just don’t see the urgency. Doesn’t meant it’s not there - but Atlanta is forging forward and they are already at the top of the mountain. Just saying.
But late Tuesday afternoon could change some things, for better or worse. Could we catch a break for once? Could also change the directions they choose to go too.
What's going down late Tuesday afternoon?
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But one constant is the arms they call up to the pen each season are really, really bad. These minor signings are actually really important. They will not blow several games over the course of the year if they have arms to cycle in the minors.
But late Tuesday afternoon could change some things, for better or worse. Could we catch a break for once? Could also change the directions they choose to go too.
What's going down late Tuesday afternoon?
I assume he is referencing the MLB draft lottery.
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But one constant is the arms they call up to the pen each season are really, really bad. These minor signings are actually really important. They will not blow several games over the course of the year if they have arms to cycle in the minors.
But late Tuesday afternoon could change some things, for better or worse. Could we catch a break for once? Could also change the directions they choose to go too.
What's going down late Tuesday afternoon?
I assume he is referencing the MLB draft lottery.
That's right good call!