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NFT: 11/22: Mets Offseason

Shecky : 11/22/2023 11:58 am
I was asked to post this last night, didn't get a chance

1) Spring Training Schedule: The Mets are preparing for their upcoming spring training games, with matches scheduled against the Nationals on February 26 and the Astros on February 25.

2) Hall of Fame Ballot Newbies: Notable players such as Big Sexy, Wright and Reyes are among the new candidates on the Hall of Fame ballot.

3) MLB Awards Week: Recently, MLB Awards Week took place, with results and analysis highlighting key players and performances in the league. This includes the announcement of Acuna and Ohtani as unanimous MVPs.

4) Management and Coaching Updates: The Mets have been making significant changes in their management and coaching staff, including a new 3-year contract for their manager, Mendoza.


Current State of the Coaching Staff
The Mets are currently grappling with a bench coach vacancy, a critical role for any MLB team. This comes alongside role shifts for Eric Chavez and Jeremy Barnes, who are now sharing hitting coach duties. These changes indicate a strategic reshuffle, aiming to bolster the team's coaching effectiveness.

New Additions and Hires
The introduction of Kris Gross and Andy Green in player development and amateur scouting is a significant move. Their expertise could be pivotal in nurturing the next generation of Mets stars, ensuring a bright future for the team.

Willie Randolph's Consideration
The consideration of Willie Randolph for the bench coach position was intriguing. His connection with Carlos Mendoza and vast experience bring a wealth of knowledge, though questions about his age and ability to connect with younger players remain.

Randolph's Tenure as Mets Manager
Randolph's tenure from 2005 to 2008, including the 2006 NLCS appearance and the 2007 collapse, was a rollercoaster of emotions for fans. His firing and legacy are still topics of discussion among the Mets community.

Other Candidates in the Mix
Phil Nevin and other potential candidates are also in the mix. Each brings unique strengths and perspectives, making the decision a critical one for the Mets' future success.

David Stearns' Leadership and Approach
Under David Stearns' leadership, the Mets are exploring unconventional methods and a collaborative decision-making process in staffing. This innovative approach could be a game-changer for the team.

Collaborative Decision-Making
The Mets' collaborative approach to staffing, blending experience with fresh perspectives, could set the stage for a dynamic and successful coaching team.

As a Mets fan, these developments fill me with both excitement and anticipation. The decisions made in the coming days will shape the future of our beloved team. Here's to hoping for a season of triumphs and a future as bright as the stars in Queens!

Mets' Pitching Strategy in the Wake of Cardinals' Market Moves
As a Mets fan, I've seen our share of ups and downs. The recent developments in our pitching strategy, especially in light of the Cardinals setting the market, have me both intrigued and cautiously optimistic.

The Search for Starting Pitchers
The Mets, under the leadership of David Stearns, are on a quest to fortify their rotation. With Kodai Senga and José Quintana as the only certain starters, the need for additional firepower is clear. Last season's 75-87 record is a stark reminder that to compete with the likes of the Braves and Phillies, we need to up our game. The prospect of adding a high-caliber pitcher is exciting and could be a significant step towards contention.

The Cost of Landing Starting Pitchers
The Cardinals have set a new benchmark by signing Lance Lynn and Kyle Gibson for $10 million and $12 million, respectively. This move has implications for the Mets, who now face the reality of spending significantly to acquire top-tier pitchers. However, the question remains: is it wise to invest heavily in uncertain pitchers?

Comparing Pitchers and Mets' Strategic Moves
Joey Lucchesi and Tylor Megill could offer similar value to Lynn, but the Mets' eyes are on bigger prizes. Yoshinobu Yamamoto and Jordan Montgomery are high on our list, offering a blend of talent and potential without the hefty price tag associated with qualifying offer players like
Blake Snell and Sonny Gray.

The Mets must avoid overpaying for injury-prone pitchers, a lesson perhaps they’ve learned. Yet here comes Luis Severino...

Tyler Glasnow's Career and Potential Trade Partners
Speaking of an injury-prone pitcher… Tyler Glasnow, currently with the Tampa Bay Rays, is a hot topic in the trade rumor mill. His impressive career stats, including a 3.89 ERA and 678 strikeouts, make him an attractive target. However, his injury history, including a recent oblique injury, is a concern.

The Mets, known for their deep pockets, could be a perfect landing spot for Glasnow. The Rays and the Phillies are potential trade partners, but the complexity of trade negotiations means anything could happen.

Avoiding Risky Investments
The Mets should steer clear of unreliable options. Investing in pitchers who offer quality and reliability, especially if they command a lower salary than the likes of Lynn and Gibson, is a smarter strategy.

The Fifth Starter Conundrum
Lucchesi, while not the most glamorous option, could be a reasonable gamble as a fifth starter. The ideal scenario? Signing Yamamoto and trading for a young, controllable arm, aligning with the Cardinals' approach but tailored to our needs.

The Disappointing 2023 Season and Rebuilding
After a disappointing 2023 season, where we saw the departure of key players like Justin Verlander and Max Scherzer, signing a player of Yamamoto's caliber is not just desirable but necessary. His ability to electrify the mound could be the catalyst for a much-needed turnaround.

The focus should be on securing Yamamoto and a young arm through trade, emphasizing smart financial decisions. His familiarity with Kodai Senga could be a significant advantage, potentially creating a formidable rotation duo.

The Pursuit of Yamamoto and Other Options
The Mets' aggressiveness in pursuing Yamamoto will be telling. If we fail to secure him, alternatives like Blake Snell (doubtful since he received a qualifying offer) and Jordan Montgomery are still on the table. However, the Mets' approach to free agency this season will be critical in shaping our future.

Mets Sign Bullpen Arm to Bolster Depth
In a strategic move, the Mets signed Cole Sulser to a minor league contract. Sulser, with a mixed performance in MLB, could become a valuable piece in the Mets' bullpen. This low-risk move shows the Mets' intent to address their bullpen issues, which was a key reason for their struggles last season.

Ronny Mauricio's Performance Review
Minor and Major League Breakdown
In the minors, Mauricio's stats were impressive: a .292 batting average, 23 homers, and 24 stolen bases over 116 games. But when he stepped up to the majors, we saw a dip - a .248 average with 2 home runs in 26 games. Despite this, his potential shines through.

Evaluating Mauricio's Future
Mauricio's journey has been a rollercoaster. Starting strong in winter ball, he faced a setback being sent down to AAA Syracuse due to Lindor's presence. However, his performance there - especially those highlight-worthy homers - was nothing short of impressive. His delayed promotion might have been a misstep by the Mets, but once he got his shot in September, boy, did he show flashes of brilliance!

Coleman Crow's Breakout Potential
Now, let's talk about Coleman Crow. This kid has skills that could make him a star, but there's a risk we might lose him in the Rule 5 draft. Keeping an eye on his development is crucial for the Mets' future strategy.

Coleman Crow, a promising Mets prospect, is at risk of being plucked from the organization due to the Rule 5 draft. His impressive performance in Double-A, including a 1.88 ERA and 31 strikeouts, makes him a valuable asset. The Mets face the challenge of balancing their roster while protecting their prospects.

LFGM
As a die-hard Mets fan and someone who's lived through the rollercoaster of emotions that comes with following this team, the latest developments in our pitching lineup have me on the edge of my seat.

From last Mets thread:
- The New York Mets are introduced Carlos Mendoza as their new manager.
- Deadline to add players to the 40-man roster.
- Some fans have expressed their opinions about potential coaching staff changes and candidates.
- Speculation about who the Mets might add to their 40-man roster.
- The Yankees are mentioned in trade discussions for players like Nick Senzel and Soto.
- The agent representing Yamamoto and Senga, Joel Wolfe, is also involved with Stanton and Diaz.

Calling on all the BBI Met threads old posters, for a good Royal Rumble of days past...


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RE: Seeing some comments from Yankees fans  
Eric on Li : 11/29/2023 10:02 pm : link
In comment 16308072 Drewcon40 said:
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and they are basically ok with the Mets signing him. It doesn’t seem like these are good signings.


Wendle is bench fodder (it's a meh signing but its not a big deal and signals they are somewhat committed to giving baty/mauricio playing time).

there is some hope for severino. im hoping they have more reasons for hope than we do, but the fact that he still has his velocity is notable.

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48. Luis Severino. One year, $14MM

Among the class, few players have seen their stock drop to the same extent as Severino. He made consecutive All-Star games and secured top-10 Cy Young placements in 2017-18. The righty topped 190 innings in each season and combined for a 3.18 ERA with a 28.8% strikeout rate. Going into 2019, he and the Yankees agreed to a $40MM extension that covered his four arbitration years with a $15MM club option for his first would-be free agent season.

Injuries essentially robbed Severino of the first three years of that deal. Shoulder and lat problems limited him to three starts in 2019. The club announced the following February that he’d suffered a UCL injury requiring Tommy John surgery. That cost him all of 2020 and a good portion of ’21. Severino was set back again by shoulder discomfort late that season, keeping him to four relief outings.

The Dominican-born hurler entered 2022 healthy. He was effective early on, working to a 3.45 ERA behind a 27.2% strikeout rate into mid-July. A lat strain then sent him back to the injured list, keeping him out into September. He made it back to throw 16 regular season innings at the end of the year and tossed 11 frames over two playoff starts. The Yankees were encouraged enough by the form he showed when healthy to exercise the option.

Unfortunately, the lat issues resurfaced this year. Another strain sent Severino to the IL for the first six weeks of the season. He returned at the end of May to reassume a rotation spot. This time, his effectiveness disappeared. Severino was hit hard throughout the summer, surrendering a 6.65 ERA across 89 1/3 innings.

His 2.32 HR/9 rate was second-worst among starting pitchers. The strikeout rate plummeted nearly nine percentage points. He generated swinging strikes on only 9.1% of his offerings after earning a whiff more than 12% of the time in each of the previous two seasons. Severino’s disastrous year finished on a sour note in September. A left oblique strain cut his season short.

Nothing in the 2023 statistical profile is encouraging. The reasons for hope are twofold: his pre-’23 track record of strong performance when healthy and still-present velocity. It’d be easier to explain Severino’s terrible year if the injuries had completely sapped his arm strength. Instead, he averaged an impressive 96.5 MPH on his heater — only a touch below its peak level. His slider wasn’t as sharp as it had been in prior seasons, but Severino’s repertoire didn’t collapse.

A change in environment or potential pitch mix alteration could make him a popular target for a one-year deal. Severino has more impressive raw stuff than Noah Syndergaard did when he found a $13MM guarantee last offseason. Matthew Boyd received $10MM as a rebound candidate coming off a season in which he was limited to 13 1/3 innings. Severino’s camp could look to beat those numbers on a pillow contract.
Severino’s  
DanMetroMan : 11/30/2023 7:55 am : link
Numbers vs. lefties were atrocious in 2023 and presumably somehow figuring out what to do there would be a huge help. Obviously easier said than done but 1.005 OPS against vs. lefties, career .726
Nick Martinez  
DanMetroMan : 11/30/2023 7:55 am : link
To the Reds 2 for 26, opt out after 1
Sherman  
DanMetroMan : 11/30/2023 8:08 am : link
Says the Mets are interested in Imanaga

-Rosenthal says the Marlins are open to moving a SP but not Luzardo or Garrett

-Seattle could be open to moving a SP for offensive help (McNeil? He didn’t suggest McNeil, but DiPoto mentioned 2B and the Mets don’t really have other position players that would both start for Seattle AND possibly be available on the Mets side aka Alonso/Nimmo.
I apparently tweeted this on 8/20  
DanMetroMan : 11/30/2023 8:11 am : link
Talk about a random pull

“ Personally, I'd bring in a quality utility man with 3b experience (a Joey Wendle type) and let Baty/Mauricio battle it out for 3b.”
RE: Severino’s  
KDavies : 11/30/2023 8:48 am : link
In comment 16308204 DanMetroMan said:
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Numbers vs. lefties were atrocious in 2023 and presumably somehow figuring out what to do there would be a huge help. Obviously easier said than done but 1.005 OPS against vs. lefties, career .726


Severino has pitched like a top of the rotation pitcher nearly his entire career when he pitched. The big issue is his injury history, so emphasis on "when he pitched." The exception was last year, where he was atrocious. Last four starts last year, he pitched 21.2 innings and gave up 6 runs with 18 Ks and 4 walks, so there is a SSS postive trend there.

The big question is whether last year was an anomoly or a trend. I asked a number of non-douchie Yankee fan friends their thoughts and it was pretty unanimous that it was a good risk for the Mets, and they all seemed to feel that he was pitching through injury most of the season.

Definitely worth a risk for a Carrasco price. If he's suddenly terrible (like Thor seems to have been), oh well. Demote him to the bullpen as long man or whatever. If it hits, it's a home run. Either re-sign him or get a pick back from the QO.

If they sign two other starters (ie Montgomery/Rodriguez/Yamamoto and a buy low guy like Giolito at a minimum), it's a chance worth taking.
Chourio contract per Heyman  
KDavies : 11/30/2023 8:51 am : link
8 years, $80 million. Great signing if he turns out to be what expected. I really like Chourio. Had him in a keeper for a couple years.

I like these deals for baseball, as it locks up homegrown guys for small market teams, though selfishly, arguably not good for big money teams like the Mets.

RE: I apparently tweeted this on 8/20  
Optimus-NY : 11/30/2023 9:10 am : link
In comment 16308225 DanMetroMan said:
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Talk about a random pull

“ Personally, I'd bring in a quality utility man with 3b experience (a Joey Wendle type) and let Baty/Mauricio battle it out for 3b.”


You be Kreskin Dan! lol

Seriously though, is Wendle that much of an upgrade over Guillorme? Personally, I'd rather have Guillorme as my utility guy.
RE: RE: Severino’s  
bigbluehoya : 11/30/2023 9:21 am : link
In comment 16308271 KDavies said:
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In comment 16308204 DanMetroMan said:


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Numbers vs. lefties were atrocious in 2023 and presumably somehow figuring out what to do there would be a huge help. Obviously easier said than done but 1.005 OPS against vs. lefties, career .726



Severino has pitched like a top of the rotation pitcher nearly his entire career when he pitched. The big issue is his injury history, so emphasis on "when he pitched." The exception was last year, where he was atrocious. Last four starts last year, he pitched 21.2 innings and gave up 6 runs with 18 Ks and 4 walks, so there is a SSS postive trend there.

The big question is whether last year was an anomoly or a trend. I asked a number of non-douchie Yankee fan friends their thoughts and it was pretty unanimous that it was a good risk for the Mets, and they all seemed to feel that he was pitching through injury most of the season.

Definitely worth a risk for a Carrasco price. If he's suddenly terrible (like Thor seems to have been), oh well. Demote him to the bullpen as long man or whatever. If it hits, it's a home run. Either re-sign him or get a pick back from the QO.

If they sign two other starters (ie Montgomery/Rodriguez/Yamamoto and a buy low guy like Giolito at a minimum), it's a chance worth taking.


I'm a Yankees fan (I'll defer to you guys on the douchey part). For a team with a bankroll like the Mets, I'd say 1 year is a very worthwhile risk to take.

The upside/downside equation of that signing makes perfect sense IMO.
RE: RE: I apparently tweeted this on 8/20  
DanMetroMan : 11/30/2023 9:23 am : link
In comment 16308314 Optimus-NY said:
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In comment 16308225 DanMetroMan said:


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Talk about a random pull

“ Personally, I'd bring in a quality utility man with 3b experience (a Joey Wendle type) and let Baty/Mauricio battle it out for 3b.”



You be Kreskin Dan! lol

Seriously though, is Wendle that much of an upgrade over Guillorme? Personally, I'd rather have Guillorme as my utility guy.


I prefer Guillorme myself tbh.
My  
DanMetroMan : 11/30/2023 9:24 am : link
Wendle tweet was really responding to a suggestion they should go after Chapman. I didn’t think that was the way to go. Wasn’t a knock on Guillorme just to be clear.
RE: RE: RE: Severino’s  
Drewcon40 : 11/30/2023 9:26 am : link
In comment 16308328 bigbluehoya said:
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I'm a Yankees fan (I'll defer to you guys on the douchey part). For a team with a bankroll like the Mets, I'd say 1 year is a very worthwhile risk to take.

The upside/downside equation of that signing makes perfect sense IMO.


Thank you bigbluehoya. Dave in Hoboken, who I like as a poster, is a huge Yankees fan and he was saying that Sevy was shot and that the Mets signing him was indicative of a decision by a poorly run organization. I am not sure if Yankee fans are aware of the Stearns hire and if that changes the perception or not.

This has a 2009, 2018 feel to it thus far.
RE: RE: I apparently tweeted this on 8/20  
Shecky : 11/30/2023 9:42 am : link
In comment 16308314 Optimus-NY said:
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In comment 16308225 DanMetroMan said:


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Talk about a random pull

“ Personally, I'd bring in a quality utility man with 3b experience (a Joey Wendle type) and let Baty/Mauricio battle it out for 3b.”



You be Kreskin Dan! lol

Seriously though, is Wendle that much of an upgrade over Guillorme? Personally, I'd rather have Guillorme as my utility guy.


This has less to do with the utility, last man on the bench.
Than the potential starting players earning minimum wage.
Which allows big money signings elsewhere.

BIG picture. Just like the Severino signing.
Guillorme and Wendle are basically the same player for me  
KDavies : 11/30/2023 9:51 am : link
not much difference. The one thing that does stand out to me is Wendle's reputation as a clubhouse leader. I've heard him mentioned as a future manager. Perhaps the Mets liked some of his intangibles. And I don't mean this as a knock on Guillorme, either. I've never heard a bad word about him.
RE: RE: RE: I apparently tweeted this on 8/20  
Optimus-NY : 11/30/2023 9:58 am : link
In comment 16308367 Shecky said:
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In comment 16308314 Optimus-NY said:


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In comment 16308225 DanMetroMan said:


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Talk about a random pull

“ Personally, I'd bring in a quality utility man with 3b experience (a Joey Wendle type) and let Baty/Mauricio battle it out for 3b.”



You be Kreskin Dan! lol

Seriously though, is Wendle that much of an upgrade over Guillorme? Personally, I'd rather have Guillorme as my utility guy.



This has less to do with the utility, last man on the bench.
Than the potential starting players earning minimum wage.
Which allows big money signings elsewhere.

BIG picture. Just like the Severino signing.


Guillorme would have cost just about the same. Is Wendle better? I think not.
RE: Guillorme and Wendle are basically the same player for me  
Optimus-NY : 11/30/2023 9:59 am : link
In comment 16308381 KDavies said:
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not much difference. The one thing that does stand out to me is Wendle's reputation as a clubhouse leader. I've heard him mentioned as a future manager. Perhaps the Mets liked some of his intangibles. And I don't mean this as a knock on Guillorme, either. I've never heard a bad word about him.


Good post.
i like guillorme the player better BUT there is 1 big thing for wendle  
Eric on Li : 11/30/2023 10:16 am : link
he has been around and knows the role.

guillorme (rightfully) probably wants a bigger opportunity, even if he needs to compete for it, than the mets can give him if they are committed to playing mauricio and baty.

signing wendle is an endorsement of those guys playing a lot, and he's not an impediment to that.

i think guillorme is a similar and probably better player, but at age 29 and having never made much money over his career it would only be natural that he's not happy with an end of bench role. i would be surprised if he doesnt find a bottom division team who will let him play almost every day between SS and 2b and if he does that he can make himself some real money this time next year.
Wendle has also played a little bit of corner OF in the past  
KDavies : 11/30/2023 10:21 am : link
so he probably has more versatility than Guillorme in a pinch
RE: i like guillorme the player better BUT there is 1 big thing for wendle  
Optimus-NY : 11/30/2023 10:26 am : link
In comment 16308418 Eric on Li said:
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he has been around and knows the role.

guillorme (rightfully) probably wants a bigger opportunity, even if he needs to compete for it, than the mets can give him if they are committed to playing mauricio and baty.

signing wendle is an endorsement of those guys playing a lot, and he's not an impediment to that.

i think guillorme is a similar and probably better player, but at age 29 and having never made much money over his career it would only be natural that he's not happy with an end of bench role. i would be surprised if he doesnt find a bottom division team who will let him play almost every day between SS and 2b and if he does that he can make himself some real money this time next year.


Fair enough. Excellent points regarding LG wanting a bigger role and more $$$ (even though he kinda sucks, lol). Wendle being more willing to play this utility role (remember Keith Miller from back in the day? lol) and his clubhouse leadership do stand out too.
I like LG  
Shecky : 11/30/2023 10:34 am : link
But, those infamous ping pong games in the clubhouse will be a changing lol

This is an end of the bench position. You can debate the players, but this was a much better, well thought out puzzle piece fit. Some puzzles stick together better with a little glue.
Wendle made about 3.7m over his first 6 years in MLB  
Eric on Li : 11/30/2023 10:34 am : link
then made $10.6m in his 2 in Miami.

Guillorme has made about $4m in his first 6 years, now a FA.

this is kind of a now or never time for him. at 29 if he can have a good year this year or next year in a more full time role, he will have a chance to cash in on a contract that doubles his career earnings.

jace peterson got a 2x5m last offseason off a 2 fwar age 32 season where he played 113 games in MIL and posted a rc comparable to guillormes career average playing a +DRS 3b/2b.

i was surprised they non-tendered guillorme, even more surprised when they paid 2m for wendle, but my guess is they just wanted to do right by a guy who had been in the org for over a decade and was blocked here.
RE: I like LG  
Eric on Li : 11/30/2023 10:36 am : link
In comment 16308444 Shecky said:
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But, those infamous ping pong games in the clubhouse will be a changing lol

This is an end of the bench position. You can debate the players, but this was a much better, well thought out puzzle piece fit. Some puzzles stick together better with a little glue.


i think some of the motivation behind this move is similar to cohen's press conference vote of support for eppler/buck. its a small thing on paper but one that sends a message to an entire organization (and more importantly the agent community) the mets are talent friendly.
Regarding Severino I assume the Mets did their homework on the injury.  
Ira : 11/30/2023 11:11 am : link
If that checks out, I can see why they feel that the year after his return, is when he gets back into top form.
Up and comers around the game per the Athletic  
DanMetroMan : 11/30/2023 11:14 am : link
Ben Hansen, Mets Director of Performance Technology

When someone invokes your name right before saying you’ve changed baseball, that’s worth taking notice. When other sources impressed with your work furthering the sport’s collective understanding of pitching mechanics confirm your impact, that gets you put high on the list of intriguing people in baseball.

“He basically brought the concept of throwing workload as it’s calculated today to baseball,” said one independent contractor who works with teams.

But it’s not only his detailed knowledge of biomechanics that fuels respect for Hansen.

“Ben brings ideas to life,” said an executive who has worked with him. “He’s truly got a knack for sparking innovative fire. While he’s brilliant technically, his ability to make people across all departments feel heard and valued is equally impressive.”

Having worked with Intel (on three-dimensional markerless motion capture technology) and Motus (on wearable technology), Hansen understands the biomechanics space inside and out and seems to inspire those around him.
RE: Regarding Severino I assume the Mets did their homework on the injury.  
DanMetroMan : 11/30/2023 11:15 am : link
In comment 16308517 Ira said:
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If that checks out, I can see why they feel that the year after his return, is when he gets back into top form.


Unfortunately, it's not that simple. He didn't have "an injury" that explains his struggles. He's been injury prone since 2019 (multiple lat, oblique issues) but this isn't as simple as "well, if he's over the oblique strain" because that doesn't really explain WHY he's struggled. He hasn't had the same issue every time.
RE: Regarding Severino I assume the Mets did their homework on the injury.  
Eric on Li : 11/30/2023 11:15 am : link
In comment 16308517 Ira said:
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If that checks out, I can see why they feel that the year after his return, is when he gets back into top form.


add that with mendoza and it makes sense.

for the comparable price i think id prefer a quintana type, but then again he got hurt for the first half last year so its not like theres no risk there either. pitchers break.

id be surprised if they dont add at least 2 more SP at which point there's almost no risk carrying a severino as your 5th sp with megill/vasil/butto/luchessi still as org depth. he could even end up their 6th sp if they go full 6 man.
RE: RE: Regarding Severino I assume the Mets did their homework on the injury.  
Eric on Li : 11/30/2023 11:20 am : link
In comment 16308529 DanMetroMan said:
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If that checks out, I can see why they feel that the year after his return, is when he gets back into top form.



Unfortunately, it's not that simple. He didn't have "an injury" that explains his struggles. He's been injury prone since 2019 (multiple lat, oblique issues) but this isn't as simple as "well, if he's over the oblique strain" because that doesn't really explain WHY he's struggled. He hasn't had the same issue every time.


agree. the injuries are equally concerning with the 2023 performance. he has 2 big obstacles to overcome, not 1. if each were 50-50 on their own, that means hitting both is just 25%. not great odds.

to get a quintana for the same price like last year maybe they would have needed to wait patiently though, and presumably they like severino's upside enough that they didnt want to do that.

the vibe seems to be that they will sign enough other guys that this wont carry much risk but im with you in the sense that it feels like syndergaard/harvey once they were past their expiration dates.
I  
DanMetroMan : 11/30/2023 11:21 am : link
don't see any scenario Vasil is in the mix very early in the season. He really struggled in Syracuse (not Jarvis level but very mediocre) and teams don't add guys like that to the 40 man until they feel they are ready. The ones that do get added "early" in season are players they are okay losing.
RE: RE: RE: Regarding Severino I assume the Mets did their homework on the injury.  
DanMetroMan : 11/30/2023 11:26 am : link
In comment 16308542 Eric on Li said:
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If that checks out, I can see why they feel that the year after his return, is when he gets back into top form.



Unfortunately, it's not that simple. He didn't have "an injury" that explains his struggles. He's been injury prone since 2019 (multiple lat, oblique issues) but this isn't as simple as "well, if he's over the oblique strain" because that doesn't really explain WHY he's struggled. He hasn't had the same issue every time.



agree. the injuries are equally concerning with the 2023 performance. he has 2 big obstacles to overcome, not 1. if each were 50-50 on their own, that means hitting both is just 25%. not great odds.

to get a quintana for the same price like last year maybe they would have needed to wait patiently though, and presumably they like severino's upside enough that they didnt want to do that.

the vibe seems to be that they will sign enough other guys that this wont carry much risk but im with you in the sense that it feels like syndergaard/harvey once they were past their expiration dates.


Close to zero risk (obviously, the "risk" is how reliant they are on him and how they could impact the rest of the team ie bullpen) but very low overall risk and I'm not even "hating" on the signing at all but if it were as simple as "if his knee is healthy he should be very good", he likely isn't settling for 1 year 13 million.

The fact he still was throwing hard is obviously a positive, but also is something of a red flag as regaining bite/movement is generally much harder than a guy pitching through injury finding his velocity tick up again once healthy.

I'd be MORE confident if this were a pitcher with a recent track record of health who had a major injury he was coming back from. This one is more ambiguous. But I can confidently say they will add at least 2 more SPers.
my last comment on Severino.  
bigbluehoya : 11/30/2023 11:27 am : link
He may flop. He may be injured. But that's the only reason it's possible to sign a guy with a history of MLB success with a fastball that still sits 96-97 for only a year and $13M.

If the signing is a bust, it won't sting for long and it won't stop you from anything else. If the Mets were flush with pitching, maybe a different story about the opportunity cost of those innings.

But hopefully for you guys, when the hot stove is all over, he's slotting as a #3 or better yet #4. Not many #4s out there with that type of ceiling and experience.
RE: RE: Yankees linked to Soto and Yamamoto  
Rory : 11/30/2023 11:28 am : link
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and we are linked to Severino and Joey Wendle?

I understand we are in on Yamamoto and we had 2 aggressive off seasons but this feels like we are not being aggressive. I’m sure I’ll deservedly get crap but it’s frustrating. This feels like a step back and Cohen’s money is not even going to get this team out of the doldrums. We are the Jets of mlb.


yes you should get crap and you should back away from the keyboard, take a breath, and be patient.


ooh, I like it Pjac
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DanMetroMan : 11/30/2023 11:29 am : link
liked Eno's take (as usual). Liked this move more than the Lance Lynn/Gibson/Flaherty types, his actual performance will likely never be what he was in 2019 but the underlying stuff is good enough to still have some hope he's a quality SPer. Keith Law obviously is less optimistic.
Video  
DanMetroMan : 11/30/2023 11:31 am : link
of 2025 Mets signing Elian Pena (will receive the largest bonus in franchise history)
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RE: my last comment on Severino.  
Eric on Li : 11/30/2023 11:33 am : link
In comment 16308554 bigbluehoya said:
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He may flop. He may be injured. But that's the only reason it's possible to sign a guy with a history of MLB success with a fastball that still sits 96-97 for only a year and $13M.

If the signing is a bust, it won't sting for long and it won't stop you from anything else. If the Mets were flush with pitching, maybe a different story about the opportunity cost of those innings.

But hopefully for you guys, when the hot stove is all over, he's slotting as a #3 or better yet #4. Not many #4s out there with that type of ceiling and experience.


very fair take. hard to not have some betances vibes for met fans, but the big difference here is the velocity is still there. that is different than syndergaard, harvey, and betances and gives this a chance. also it's not the wilponzis selling this as an ace, it's cohen who we know doesnt hesitate to outspend his mistakes.
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Eric on Li : 11/30/2023 11:35 am : link
In comment 16308556 DanMetroMan said:
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liked Eno's take (as usual). Liked this move more than the Lance Lynn/Gibson/Flaherty types, his actual performance will likely never be what he was in 2019 but the underlying stuff is good enough to still have some hope he's a quality SPer. Keith Law obviously is less optimistic.


i dont hate law's take in that if severino is a good BP conversion option, that's a great fallback. so i see value in law's opinion of him if he is right about that.

i wanted (and would still like) lugo as a 5th/6th sp for that type of flexibility, if severino can do that on a 1 year deal at a comparable price that's good.
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DanMetroMan : 11/30/2023 11:35 am : link
you want to be "positive", Severino was SO bad in 2023 that no rationale FO person (which Stearns is) would be shocked if they have to pull the plug on the "experiment" if 2024 is a repeat. It's not like Severino posted a 4.70 era, was mostly mediocre but "fine". He posted 6.65 era, if he's horrid over X starts they will stick him in the bullpen (first) and then get rid of him if need be.
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DanMetroMan : 11/30/2023 11:37 am : link
In comment 16308572 Eric on Li said:
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liked Eno's take (as usual). Liked this move more than the Lance Lynn/Gibson/Flaherty types, his actual performance will likely never be what he was in 2019 but the underlying stuff is good enough to still have some hope he's a quality SPer. Keith Law obviously is less optimistic.



i dont hate law's take in that if severino is a good BP conversion option, that's a great fallback. so i see value in law's opinion of him if he is right about that.

i wanted (and would still like) lugo as a 5th/6th sp for that type of flexibility, if severino can do that on a 1 year deal at a comparable price that's good.


I should have been more clear, I think Law is less optimistic that Severino has a reasonable shot of being a good MLB *SPer* again, he seemed to believe he could be a good RPer.
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Eric on Li : 11/30/2023 11:41 am : link
In comment 16308579 DanMetroMan said:
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liked Eno's take (as usual). Liked this move more than the Lance Lynn/Gibson/Flaherty types, his actual performance will likely never be what he was in 2019 but the underlying stuff is good enough to still have some hope he's a quality SPer. Keith Law obviously is less optimistic.



i dont hate law's take in that if severino is a good BP conversion option, that's a great fallback. so i see value in law's opinion of him if he is right about that.

i wanted (and would still like) lugo as a 5th/6th sp for that type of flexibility, if severino can do that on a 1 year deal at a comparable price that's good.



I should have been more clear, I think Law is less optimistic that Severino has a reasonable shot of being a good MLB *SPer* again, he seemed to believe he could be a good RPer.


right, i have no idea how they view severino, clearly he will attempt to start first, but in their minds they may view him as one of the best late game options on the market that's gettable on a 1 year deal. robertson or chapman may not get much less than he just got.
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KDavies : 11/30/2023 11:44 am : link
In comment 16308574 DanMetroMan said:
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you want to be "positive", Severino was SO bad in 2023 that no rationale FO person (which Stearns is) would be shocked if they have to pull the plug on the "experiment" if 2024 is a repeat. It's not like Severino posted a 4.70 era, was mostly mediocre but "fine". He posted 6.65 era, if he's horrid over X starts they will stick him in the bullpen (first) and then get rid of him if need be.


Last 4 starts, he gave up a total of 6 runs. So a good trend there towards the end. Also brought down his ERA from a high of 8.06 in August. 4 starts with 7 or more ER. 2 of those games against Baltimore. (Was he tipping his pitches, and they figured it out? Or do they just have his number)

Definitely have to have a plan B if he flunks, even if it is just pulling him early when he clearly doesn't have it that day, or moving him to the pen.
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DanMetroMan : 11/30/2023 11:45 am : link
So... is the Drew Smith watch saga going to reach McNeil/Lindor car status? Or will Severino pick a new number?
Mets  
DanMetroMan : 11/30/2023 11:51 am : link
make these hirings official

We've announced several additions to our front office: Eduardo Brizuela, VP & special assistant to the president of baseball operations; Andy Green, senior VP, player development; Kris Gross, VP, amateur scouting.
RE: Sherman  
Rory : 11/30/2023 12:04 pm : link
In comment 16308220 DanMetroMan said:
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Says the Mets are interested in Imanaga

-Rosenthal says the Marlins are open to moving a SP but not Luzardo or Garrett

-Seattle could be open to moving a SP for offensive help (McNeil? He didn’t suggest McNeil, but DiPoto mentioned 2B and the Mets don’t really have other position players that would both start for Seattle AND possibly be available on the Mets side aka Alonso/Nimmo.


Think Miami would take Marte back if we ate 7M?, maybe get AJ Puk out of it. Marte could be a good influence for Jazz too

Also, is it crazy to think that a McNeil trade would signal the end of the Alonso era?
Ahhhhhhh  
Shecky : 11/30/2023 12:06 pm : link
Good to see people feel if Severino busts, they move him to the pen
Where they signed him to a shorter, but good BP arm dollar amount

Not bad for a sixth man. Very fair
Had Cohen not purchased the team-  
DanMetroMan : 11/30/2023 12:07 pm : link
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Mets owner Jeff Wilpon stands before a crowd of eager reporters, a wide grin on his face.

"Ladies and gentlemen, Mets fans, today is a day of celebration for our beloved team! I'm thrilled to announce that we have successfully secured the talents of the one and only Luis Severino! Yes, you heard it right – Luis Severino is now a New York Met!"

The room erupts in applause as Wilpon continues, "Not many teams can boast the addition of a seasoned All-Star, and at the prime age of 30, Severino brings a wealth of experience and skill to our pitching staff. This is a game-changer for the Mets, and we couldn't be more excited about what he'll bring to the mound."

As questions from the reporters start pouring in, one curious journalist asks about the potential signing of Japanese ace Yoshinobu Yamamoto.

Wilpon chuckles and responds, "Ah, the hot stove is always burning, isn't it? While we've been exploring various options to further strengthen our rotation, I must admit that with Luis Severino now on board, along with the likes of Kodai Senga, Jose Quintana, and the promising Tylor Megill, we've got quite the pitching arsenal. As much as we appreciate the talent and potential of Yoshinobu Yamamoto, we want to ensure that we don't overcrowd our rotation, especially with David Peterson's anticipated return at mid-season. We have to make strategic choices to keep the balance and maintain the synergy within the team."

The room buzzes with excitement and anticipation for the upcoming season as Wilpon concludes, "So, Mets fans, get ready for an incredible season ahead! We're building something special here, and with Luis Severino leading our rotation, the future looks bright for the New York Mets!"
RE: Had Cohen not purchased the team-  
Shecky : 11/30/2023 12:15 pm : link
In comment 16308644 DanMetroMan said:
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Mets owner Jeff Wilpon stands before a crowd of eager reporters, a wide grin on his face.


Wilpon chuckles and responds, "Ah, the hot stove is always burning, isn't it? While we've been exploring various options to further strengthen our rotation, I must admit that with Luis Severino now on board, along with the likes of Kodai Senga, Jose Quintana, and the promising Tylor Megill, we've got quite the pitching arsenal. As much as we appreciate the talent and potential of Yoshinobu Yamamoto, we want to ensure that we don't overcrowd our rotation, especially with David Peterson's anticipated return at mid-season. We have to make strategic choices to keep the balance and maintain the synergy within the team."

The room buzzes with excitement and anticipation for the upcoming season as Wilpon concludes, "So, Mets fans, get ready for an incredible season ahead! We're building something special here, and with Luis Severino leading our rotation, the future looks bright for the New York Mets!"



This is pure go,d 😂
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DanMetroMan : 11/30/2023 12:19 pm : link
So updated @mets have 30 on their 40 man (once these 2 moves are finalized) and yet still have multiple players on the 40 man who could be removed if need be. Plenty of holes but also plenty of room for adds. Guys like Zack Short, Reed Garrett, SRF, Phil Bickford remain so if Stearns wants to go wild with smaller deals he can.
sort of shifting gears here's a crazy thing i wouldnt have guessed  
Eric on Li : 11/30/2023 12:31 pm : link
juan soto in yankee stadium loses somewhere between 3 and 8 homers per year.

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DanMetroMan : 11/30/2023 12:46 pm : link
I still like Carlos De La Cruz as a rule 5 grab. Fully expect @mets to grab a pitcher but De La Cruz is 6'8" with power, OF/1b experience and from Yonkers + an outside chance of hurting the Phillies would be a nice bonus #Mets
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Shecky : 11/30/2023 1:11 pm : link
In comment 16308668 DanMetroMan said:
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So updated @mets have 30 on their 40 man (once these 2 moves are finalized) and yet still have multiple players on the 40 man who could be removed if need be. Plenty of holes but also plenty of room for adds. Guys like Zack Short, Reed Garrett, SRF, Phil Bickford remain so if Stearns wants to go wild with smaller deals he can.


Wouldn’t hurt to overpay by a few dollars on a ton of AAAA, minor league deals. Without taking up off-season slots too ;)
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JayBinQueens : 11/30/2023 1:53 pm : link
In comment 16308753 Shecky said:
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So updated @mets have 30 on their 40 man (once these 2 moves are finalized) and yet still have multiple players on the 40 man who could be removed if need be. Plenty of holes but also plenty of room for adds. Guys like Zack Short, Reed Garrett, SRF, Phil Bickford remain so if Stearns wants to go wild with smaller deals he can.



Wouldn’t hurt to overpay by a few dollars on a ton of AAAA, minor league deals. Without taking up off-season slots too ;)


anyone in particular you like that would fit that mold?
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