And maybe a new OC in 2024 too, so it’s hard to tell.
To my untrained eye, it appears Neal’s feet / foot movement is too slow to play tackle at the NFL level. In my view, he will either become a serviceable guard for the Giants or will become an NFL journeyman, bouncing from team to team after the Giants don’t pick up his 5th year option and he leaves via free agency.
That's the best way for him to stay in the league. Move him to the left side to play between AT and JMS. Give him a new OL Coach and away we go.
He might still be able to succeed at RT, but based on what we've seen it's best to put him inside and let him do his thing there. He's a powerful guy that gets put on skates too often at RT. It's become embarrassing actually. Reddick from the Eagles embarrassed him in the playoffs. He'll do so again if they matchup in Philly in about 4.5 weeks. Let him play RT for the rest of this season, but after that, no mas.
And maybe a new OC in 2024 too, so it’s hard to tell.
To my untrained eye, it appears Neal’s feet / foot movement is too slow to play tackle at the NFL level. In my view, he will either become a serviceable guard for the Giants or will become an NFL journeyman, bouncing from team to team after the Giants don’t pick up his 5th year option and he leaves via free agency.
That's the best way for him to stay in the league. Move him to the left side to play between AT and JMS. Give him a new OL Coach and away we go.
He might still be able to succeed at RT, but based on what we've seen it's best to put him inside and let him do his thing there. He's a powerful guy that gets put on skates too often at RT. It's become embarrassing actually. Reddick from the Eagles embarrassed him in the playoffs. He'll do so again if they matchup in Philly in about 4.5 weeks. Let him play RT for the rest of this season, but after that, no mas.
Although I think there is still hope for RT, I think he would be an outstanding guard and would love to see him next to Thomas with Barkley running behind them. I don’t care where we drafted him, I just want a successful oline.
Well Schoen's GM career may hedge on what he does this off season
Let’s see how he finishes. There were some signs of improvement before he got hurt.
Agree. I watched every one of his reps against Maxx Crosby and he did pretty well. Perfect? No, but improved from beginning of year against a very good ER.
Let’s see how he finishes. There were some signs of improvement before he got hurt.
Agree. I watched every one of his reps against Maxx Crosby and he did pretty well. Perfect? No, but improved from beginning of year against a very good ER.
And remember, no one but the Giants knows how many games he played on a bad ankle while the rest of the starting O line was hurt. It's funny Thomas gets all kinds of love for playing on a bad hamstring but Neal gets pounded for how he played with a bad ankle. Which do you think is more important for a tackle's lateral movement?
If he is starting at RT the beginning of next season
Then we are doomed. All hope is gone, that guy has no business in the NFL as a tackle. I would try him at guard as soon as possible that is his only hope to have a NFL career.
Daboll moves OL around more than any coach I've seen
They led the league in different starting lineups last year. McKethan at tackle in camp then guard, Ezeudu at tackle and guard, Pugh at tackle and guard, Phillips at tackle and guard, Bredeson has started at every interior position. 2nd rounder Cody Ford at Buffalo they moved all over.
I think Neal still has a chance to be the week 1 RT, obviously how free agency goes will tell us a lot more, but I strongly believe we see Neal at guard a good deal in preseason to get a sense how he looks.
Let’s see how he finishes. There were some signs of improvement before he got hurt.
Agree. I watched every one of his reps against Maxx Crosby and he did pretty well. Perfect? No, but improved from beginning of year against a very good ER.
Wow, you guys are gluttons for punishment. The verdict is in Evan Neal is a hopeless bust. I have never seen a more inept player even Eric Flowers performed better than Neal. He is a QB and coach killer.
Writting Neal off wrote Thomas off. The same dumb asses who now think Thomas and Dez are all pro level guys who then say DG was the worst GM ever. This place has more Alzheimer's patients than a rest home
When they are right they post on it all the time and always leave all their busshit posts which were wrong conveniently forgotten.
Neal getting hurt two years in a row bothers me. Maybe he is a G. Maybe he's it even an NFL starter. One thing for sure. The quick to jump on the guys sucks crowd here is alive and well
Of the nine Pro Bowl guards in 2022, only one was taller than 6'5" even. Neal is 6'7 1/2".
Guards need to be able to move their feet; they need to be able to pull, most obviously.
There's also the principle of leverage known as "low man wins". The high center of gravity that comes with being "too tall" is not an advantage in the interior OL.
Neal has shown some improvement in his last two starts, IMO. We need him healthy to see how he finishes the season. If he can be an average-ish starter to close out the year, then yeah, I think he starts next season at RT.
Of the nine Pro Bowl guards in 2022, only one was taller than 6'5" even. Neal is 6'7 1/2".
Guards need to be able to move their feet; they need to be able to pull, most obviously.
There's also the principle of leverage known as "low man wins". The high center of gravity that comes with being "too tall" is not an advantage in the interior OL.
If Neal succeeds anywhere, it will be at tackle.
I’ve been worried about Neal’s height and center of gravity preventing a conversion to guard. I don’t think it’s a sure thing at all that he can do it.
RE: Well Schoen's GM career may hedge on what he does this off season
For 1 more season
let's see if the injuries did affect his development before we make any rash moves.....
look at how they changed how we view JMS-he ain't been the same since the tush push
kinda sad huh-we cant even get the tush push right
sheeeeesh
RE: RE: Well Schoen's GM career may hedge on what he does this off season
Writting Neal off wrote Thomas off. The same dumb asses who now think Thomas and Dez are all pro level guys who then say DG was the worst GM ever. This place has more Alzheimer's patients than a rest home
When they are right they post on it all the time and always leave all their busshit posts which were wrong conveniently forgotten.
Neal getting hurt two years in a row bothers me. Maybe he is a G. Maybe he's it even an NFL starter. One thing for sure. The quick to jump on the guys sucks crowd here is alive and well
Like to read your observations but the Thomas comparison as a comparable career trajectory simply doesn’t hold up. It’s time to try guard Probably next to Thomas . If he turns out to be a great guard , that’s a win for Schoen. Zack Martin makes his presence felt for the Cowboys .
And maybe a new OC in 2024 too, so it’s hard to tell.
To my untrained eye, it appears Neal’s feet / foot movement is too slow to play tackle at the NFL level. In my view, he will either become a serviceable guard for the Giants or will become an NFL journeyman, bouncing from team to team after the Giants don’t pick up his 5th year option and he leaves via free agency.
+1
+2
We absolutely need to get a veteran RT in free agency and draft an OT and OG.
Maybe a C/G type too.
I’d also be in favor of changing the coach.
Way to many young lineman who have not progressed.
Lets get a new O-Line coach, draft a tackle and see what happens
We saw Tyre Phillips improve after a few months under a different O-line coach in Philly. Let's get a new O-line coach. Let's draft a tackle. Neal will be given a chance to compete for the job next year regardless of what any of us think. Guys with his size and speed are not easy to come by. It's too soon to give up on him. If he becomes our swing tackle or if we convert him to Guard then so be it. We have 4 picks in the first 3 rounds coming up. They need to be QB, OT, OG, Edge in an order similar to that.
That's the best way for him to stay in the league. Move him to the left side to play between AT and JMS. Give him a new OL Coach and away we go.
He might still be able to succeed at RT, but based on what we've seen it's best to put him inside and let him do his thing there. He's a powerful guy that gets put on skates too often at RT. It's become embarrassing actually. Reddick from the Eagles embarrassed him in the playoffs. He'll do so again if they matchup in Philly in about 4.5 weeks. Let him play RT for the rest of this season, but after that, no mas.
+1
Don’t love the idea of Thomas babysitting Neal over on the left side.
From the beginning I thought his issues were just bad coaching, that he was playing too much in his head and not reacting quickly.
But his footwork is really bad. Maybe that's because he has been injured since he started here.
But if injuries aren't the reason for his bad footwork, I am concerned that they assume he can just start at OG and be productive. OGs have to be nimble too.
Think it could depend on how the draft and FA plays out..
We clearly need to improve on the line but things can’t be forced. If we end adding a good guard he could stay at tackle. If we add a good tackle then maybe he kicks in to guard.
The bottom line is we need to improve. You can hide a subpar linemen, even a tackle. What you can’t do is hide several
Neal has played like crap, but there are other OLs on this team, including those who are starting right now, who are playing just as poorly.
Giants fans oddly seem to be piling on Neal but not the other culprits. I suspect it's because of his draft standing.
I would take issue with comparing Neal to the other poor performers on the line. I have been paying close attention and Neal is a turn style at the right corner, it doesn't help that he's a high first round pick because they will be reluctant to pull the plug on him (Remember Erik Flowers).
RE: RE: Well Schoen's GM career may hedge on what he does this off season
He is going to be the RT next year. This guy for an entire year was considered in a group of players being the No 1 overall pick when he came out
The problem is his bad has been terrible. He shows some good
The Giants OL coaches have developed no one in years going back to the end of Coughlin
You can’t keep throwing more 1’s at the OL - every NFL team other than the Giants can find guys to play G in the draft
The best Giants OL the last 25 years had a 2nd, 3rd, 5th and 2 UDFA
Just look at the difference of what the Dallas interior OL did against Wash vs the Giants the week before. Martin can handle any DT 1-1 and that leaves the LG/C to deal with the other DT. They killed the Giants and did nothing against Dallas
They have the LT and I think they have the C and I think Neal will still be a good RT. find some guys to play G
RE: RE: Well Schoen's GM career may hedge on what he does this off season
At QB and RT. Are you betting your GM career on Evan Neal at this point?
Not sure what you mean by "at qb". The Giants have a very good qb and it appears they may have a good back up, so the qb question is solved.
we have a mediocre QB at best and a TBD at QB. It is a virtual certainty that the Giants pick a QB in this draft within the first 3 rounds and I hope in the first.
that Neal's ankle injuries are caused by bad footwork. Don't know what to make of his future at RT. Many posters pointed to the Andrew Thomas rule for rookie and second year OL, that they need time to be good. From what I have read the Cleveland Browns rookie 4th round pick Dawand Jones has been pretty good in pass pro. I guess the Andrew Thomas rule doesn't apply to the Browns.(sarcasm off).
that Neal's ankle injuries are caused by bad footwork. Don't know what to make of his future at RT. Many posters pointed to the Andrew Thomas rule for rookie and second year OL, that they need time to be good. From what I have read the Cleveland Browns rookie 4th round pick Dawand Jones has been pretty good in pass pro. I guess the Andrew Thomas rule doesn't apply to the Browns.(sarcasm off).
Think Sy said part of issues were injuries, not that his poor footwork caused the injuries, although not having proper balance causes off center lunges (cause or effect or both?). Neal has slower than optimal footwork and bad balance because he leans forward. Think he will have one more offseason to improve or be moved inside.
Honest question: how come the Giants coaches don't see....
Don't know if it is bad luck or coaching. Neal was regarded as top OT coming out last year. Two OT drafted later, Abraham Lucas and Braxton Jones (picks 72 and 168) played much better in pass pro as rookies, than Neal.
To my untrained eye, it appears Neal’s feet / foot movement is too slow to play tackle at the NFL level. In my view, he will either become a serviceable guard for the Giants or will become an NFL journeyman, bouncing from team to team after the Giants don’t pick up his 5th year option and he leaves via free agency.
He might still be able to succeed at RT, but based on what we've seen it's best to put him inside and let him do his thing there. He's a powerful guy that gets put on skates too often at RT. It's become embarrassing actually. Reddick from the Eagles embarrassed him in the playoffs. He'll do so again if they matchup in Philly in about 4.5 weeks. Let him play RT for the rest of this season, but after that, no mas.
To my untrained eye, it appears Neal’s feet / foot movement is too slow to play tackle at the NFL level. In my view, he will either become a serviceable guard for the Giants or will become an NFL journeyman, bouncing from team to team after the Giants don’t pick up his 5th year option and he leaves via free agency.
+1
He might still be able to succeed at RT, but based on what we've seen it's best to put him inside and let him do his thing there. He's a powerful guy that gets put on skates too often at RT. It's become embarrassing actually. Reddick from the Eagles embarrassed him in the playoffs. He'll do so again if they matchup in Philly in about 4.5 weeks. Let him play RT for the rest of this season, but after that, no mas.
Although I think there is still hope for RT, I think he would be an outstanding guard and would love to see him next to Thomas with Barkley running behind them. I don’t care where we drafted him, I just want a successful oline.
Agree. I watched every one of his reps against Maxx Crosby and he did pretty well. Perfect? No, but improved from beginning of year against a very good ER.
Quote:
Let’s see how he finishes. There were some signs of improvement before he got hurt.
Agree. I watched every one of his reps against Maxx Crosby and he did pretty well. Perfect? No, but improved from beginning of year against a very good ER.
And remember, no one but the Giants knows how many games he played on a bad ankle while the rest of the starting O line was hurt. It's funny Thomas gets all kinds of love for playing on a bad hamstring but Neal gets pounded for how he played with a bad ankle. Which do you think is more important for a tackle's lateral movement?
I think Neal still has a chance to be the week 1 RT, obviously how free agency goes will tell us a lot more, but I strongly believe we see Neal at guard a good deal in preseason to get a sense how he looks.
Quote:
Let’s see how he finishes. There were some signs of improvement before he got hurt.
Agree. I watched every one of his reps against Maxx Crosby and he did pretty well. Perfect? No, but improved from beginning of year against a very good ER.
Wow, you guys are gluttons for punishment. The verdict is in Evan Neal is a hopeless bust. I have never seen a more inept player even Eric Flowers performed better than Neal. He is a QB and coach killer.
Giants fans oddly seem to be piling on Neal but not the other culprits. I suspect it's because of his draft standing.
When they are right they post on it all the time and always leave all their busshit posts which were wrong conveniently forgotten.
Neal getting hurt two years in a row bothers me. Maybe he is a G. Maybe he's it even an NFL starter. One thing for sure. The quick to jump on the guys sucks crowd here is alive and well
Of the nine Pro Bowl guards in 2022, only one was taller than 6'5" even. Neal is 6'7 1/2".
Guards need to be able to move their feet; they need to be able to pull, most obviously.
There's also the principle of leverage known as "low man wins". The high center of gravity that comes with being "too tall" is not an advantage in the interior OL.
If Neal succeeds anywhere, it will be at tackle.
Of the nine Pro Bowl guards in 2022, only one was taller than 6'5" even. Neal is 6'7 1/2".
Guards need to be able to move their feet; they need to be able to pull, most obviously.
There's also the principle of leverage known as "low man wins". The high center of gravity that comes with being "too tall" is not an advantage in the interior OL.
If Neal succeeds anywhere, it will be at tackle.
I’ve been worried about Neal’s height and center of gravity preventing a conversion to guard. I don’t think it’s a sure thing at all that he can do it.
Quote:
At QB and RT. Are you betting your GM career on Evan Neal at this point?
Not sure what you mean by "at qb". The Giants have a very good qb and it appears they may have a good back up, so the qb question is solved.
Who is this "very good quarterback" who you speak of?
Quote:
At QB and RT. Are you betting your GM career on Evan Neal at this point?
Not sure what you mean by "at qb". The Giants have a very good qb and it appears they may have a good back up, so the qb question is solved.
Someone baked more than pies for Thanksgiving
let's see if the injuries did affect his development before we make any rash moves.....
look at how they changed how we view JMS-he ain't been the same since the tush push
kinda sad huh-we cant even get the tush push right
sheeeeesh
Quote:
At QB and RT. Are you betting your GM career on Evan Neal at this point?
Not sure what you mean by "at qb". The Giants have a very good qb and it appears they may have a good back up, so the qb question is solved.
Hey, it's 4:00. Murder, She Wrote is on.
When they are right they post on it all the time and always leave all their busshit posts which were wrong conveniently forgotten.
Neal getting hurt two years in a row bothers me. Maybe he is a G. Maybe he's it even an NFL starter. One thing for sure. The quick to jump on the guys sucks crowd here is alive and well
Like to read your observations but the Thomas comparison as a comparable career trajectory simply doesn’t hold up. It’s time to try guard Probably next to Thomas . If he turns out to be a great guard , that’s a win for Schoen. Zack Martin makes his presence felt for the Cowboys .
But who knows about next season - he needs to get back on the field this season first.
Quote:
And maybe a new OC in 2024 too, so it’s hard to tell.
To my untrained eye, it appears Neal’s feet / foot movement is too slow to play tackle at the NFL level. In my view, he will either become a serviceable guard for the Giants or will become an NFL journeyman, bouncing from team to team after the Giants don’t pick up his 5th year option and he leaves via free agency.
+1
+2
We absolutely need to get a veteran RT in free agency and draft an OT and OG.
Maybe a C/G type too.
I’d also be in favor of changing the coach.
Way to many young lineman who have not progressed.
He might still be able to succeed at RT, but based on what we've seen it's best to put him inside and let him do his thing there. He's a powerful guy that gets put on skates too often at RT. It's become embarrassing actually. Reddick from the Eagles embarrassed him in the playoffs. He'll do so again if they matchup in Philly in about 4.5 weeks. Let him play RT for the rest of this season, but after that, no mas.
+1
From the beginning I thought his issues were just bad coaching, that he was playing too much in his head and not reacting quickly.
But his footwork is really bad. Maybe that's because he has been injured since he started here.
But if injuries aren't the reason for his bad footwork, I am concerned that they assume he can just start at OG and be productive. OGs have to be nimble too.
But who knows about next season - he needs to get back on the field this season first.
He's a HUGE issue. He hasn't been good yet.
Neal can try to win a starting guard spot....but he gas lost the right to be "given a spot".
Good question...when is he due back??
We clearly need to improve on the line but things can’t be forced. If we end adding a good guard he could stay at tackle. If we add a good tackle then maybe he kicks in to guard.
The bottom line is we need to improve. You can hide a subpar linemen, even a tackle. What you can’t do is hide several
Quote:
Will Neal even be back this season from injury?
Good question...when is he due back??
It’s the question the team hasn’t and won’t answer. Starting to think he might not be back this season.
Quote:
In comment 16299821 NJBlueTuna said:
Quote:
Will Neal even be back this season from injury?
Good question...when is he due back??
It’s the question the team hasn’t and won’t answer. Starting to think he might not be back this season.
Uh oh
Giants fans oddly seem to be piling on Neal but not the other culprits. I suspect it's because of his draft standing.
I would take issue with comparing Neal to the other poor performers on the line. I have been paying close attention and Neal is a turn style at the right corner, it doesn't help that he's a high first round pick because they will be reluctant to pull the plug on him (Remember Erik Flowers).
Quote:
At QB and RT. Are you betting your GM career on Evan Neal at this point?
Not sure what you mean by "at qb". The Giants have a very good qb and it appears they may have a good back up, so the qb question is solved.
classic. didn't even need to see who the poster was to know who it was that wrote that
The problem is his bad has been terrible. He shows some good
The Giants OL coaches have developed no one in years going back to the end of Coughlin
You can’t keep throwing more 1’s at the OL - every NFL team other than the Giants can find guys to play G in the draft
The best Giants OL the last 25 years had a 2nd, 3rd, 5th and 2 UDFA
Just look at the difference of what the Dallas interior OL did against Wash vs the Giants the week before. Martin can handle any DT 1-1 and that leaves the LG/C to deal with the other DT. They killed the Giants and did nothing against Dallas
They have the LT and I think they have the C and I think Neal will still be a good RT. find some guys to play G
Quote:
At QB and RT. Are you betting your GM career on Evan Neal at this point?
Not sure what you mean by "at qb". The Giants have a very good qb and it appears they may have a good back up, so the qb question is solved.
Think Sy said part of issues were injuries, not that his poor footwork caused the injuries, although not having proper balance causes off center lunges (cause or effect or both?). Neal has slower than optimal footwork and bad balance because he leans forward. Think he will have one more offseason to improve or be moved inside.
I hear this criticism, over and over again by fans who admit that they have an untrained eye ( not just Trainmaster).
Seriously, if this is the issue... how come the trained eyes don't see it and adjust?