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Brock Purdy v Seattle

cosmicj : 11/24/2023 8:39 am
Following up on the active debate about whether Purdy is a product of a great environment, I vote for him being simply a good QB.

He’s very accurate. His timing is excellent. There were repeated passes against the Seahawks where Purdy got the ball to the receiver the moment they got open. There was one important first down conversion in the 2nd quarter where Purdy was under intense pressure but Deebo broke open at the first down market. Purdy who was scrambling immediately saw Deebo, stopped and within a fraction of a second had the ball out perfectly placed to Deebo for a first down.

Meanwhile Purdy has entirely stopped throwing INTs. He went through a slump in early October but last night’s INT marked his first pick in 6 games.

Accuracy. Timing. Field vision. I think he’s turning into a solution at QB for the 9ers.
He is the exact reason  
section125 : 11/24/2023 8:45 am : link
I think teams can win with a less than ideal QB. His best attribute is reading defenses instantaneously and then making accurate throws. His arm is adequate, not special.
A season stat: Purdy is now  
cosmicj : 11/24/2023 8:45 am : link
Leading the league in yards per pass attempt. I like to adjust that stat for INTs thrown & sacks but it’s close to the gold standard for QB performance among trad metrics. Unbelievable progress for Mr Irrelevant.
Shanahan’s offensive game plans very QB friendly  
Rick in Dallas : 11/24/2023 8:47 am : link
Having said that, Purdy seems like the perfect QB for that team.
I am really impressed with his decision making and accuracy
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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 11/24/2023 8:51 am : link
I think he's the perfect QB for that offense.
Mr. Irrelevant  
Hilary : 11/24/2023 8:52 am : link
Will our Mr. irrelevant throw for
2 or 3 touchdowns against the Pats
or come back to earth? I am rooting for
DeVito. He won’t have Waller and probably not
Slayton. BB will take Saqoun out of the game.
So he will have to work with a poor line Hodgins
Wandale and Bellinger.
RE: Shanahan’s offensive game plans very QB friendly  
robbieballs2003 : 11/24/2023 8:52 am : link
In comment 16299924 Rick in Dallas said:
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Having said that, Purdy seems like the perfect QB for that team.
I am really impressed with his decision making and accuracy


The plays may help Purdy out but the overall system is anything but friendly for QBs. Remember Matt Ryan in Atlanta? The first year was nothing short of a disaster yet the 2md yeqr they went to the SB. He puts a ton on the QB with the motions, getting all the players lined up correctly, doing it in a timely manner, and knowing where to go with the ball. Purdy's best attribute is a tie between his composure and his processing speed. Yes, I think the system helps him out but he has earned where he is right now especially seeing where a guy like Lance failed.
Right personality, right time  
Giantimistic : 11/24/2023 9:01 am : link
Right coach, right offensive line, right all pro running back, right super gadget player, amazing defense.

There is a lot that goes into a QB being successful. I think there is a lot to building confidence young.

Not saying he is anywhere close to a Tom Brady but Brady lucked into similar circumstances. He got to have success over time while learning to be great and having a tremendous team to rely on.

Put Purdy on another team he still might be good, but he may not be seen as the franchise QB early on without having everything else in play.
It's not a QB friendly system  
HBart : 11/24/2023 9:01 am : link
Per se. But it's a perfect system for Purdy. I mean, any QB would excel with Kittle, Samuel, McCaffrey & Ayuk. But Purdy in particular is perfect because his anticipation is stellar and their focus inside the numbers doesn't stress his relatively weak arm.
Put Purdy on the NYG  
JT039 : 11/24/2023 9:09 am : link
And we are still talking about who we are drafting next year.
RE: Right personality, right time  
SirLoinOfBeef : 11/24/2023 9:09 am : link
In comment 16299931 Giantimistic said:
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Right coach, right offensive line, right all pro running back, right super gadget player, amazing defense.

There is a lot that goes into a QB being successful. I think there is a lot to building confidence young.

Not saying he is anywhere close to a Tom Brady but Brady lucked into similar circumstances. He got to have success over time while learning to be great and having a tremendous team to rely on.

Put Purdy on another team he still might be good, but he may not be seen as the franchise QB early on without having everything else in play.


Great points.

I'd like to see what SFs average starting field position is.
Trey Lance was way overrated coming out of college  
Rick in Dallas : 11/24/2023 9:10 am : link
IMV, his QB tool set was far from NFL level.
At least the Niner’s FO realized their mistake and traded him to the Cowboys.
RE: Trey Lance was way overrated coming out of college  
robbieballs2003 : 11/24/2023 9:12 am : link
In comment 16299937 Rick in Dallas said:
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IMV, his QB tool set was far from NFL level.
At least the Niner’s FO realized their mistake and traded him to the Cowboys.


What do you mean by tool set because the reason he was drafted so high was because of his tools. He didn't succeed because of what is between his ears.
 
christian : 11/24/2023 9:12 am : link
Brock Purdy is the anti-Jones. He makes up for many subpar qualities with quick and instinctive decisions.

Purdy can only succeed in a handful of situations, whereas Jones can succeed in virtually none.
RE: Put Purdy on the NYG  
section125 : 11/24/2023 9:16 am : link
In comment 16299935 JT039 said:
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And we are still talking about who we are drafting next year.


Yeah, oline or ER or CB.

If DeVito could do what he did last week on two full weeks as #1 QB, think what Purdy could do. True he has better weapons at SF. But he'd make Barkley a lot better, would actually throw to Hyatt and probably find Bellinger while getting the ball out quickly to Robinson.
I think with Purdy the Giants are 6-5 (Jets, Buffalo, LV).
Jimmy G, who looks awful this season,  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 11/24/2023 9:31 am : link
had similar numbers to Purdy when he played with McCaffrey with for a lower YPA and a higher completion percentage.

If we have to say, “He didn’t have Trent Williams and Deebo Samuels” when Purdy plays poorly, well 99% of the league doesn’t have those guys. Purdy is playing well, but he has all of the infinity stones with him.
He’s very good and so is the talent around him  
BillT : 11/24/2023 10:01 am : link
On the Giants he too is 1-4 through our first five. After that, all things being equal, he’s beating the Bills, Jets, maybe Raiders maybe not, of course Washington twice. So, sure we’d be near .500 but he’s not beating the Cowboys, Eagles. GB and NO are 50/50. We’re probably 8-9, 9-8, with him. Don’t see him overcoming our lack of talent and injuries.
RE: Jimmy G, who looks awful this season,  
BigBlueShock : 11/24/2023 10:02 am : link
In comment 16299945 shockeyisthebest8056 said:
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had similar numbers to Purdy when he played with McCaffrey with for a lower YPA and a higher completion percentage.

If we have to say, “He didn’t have Trent Williams and Deebo Samuels” when Purdy plays poorly, well 99% of the league doesn’t have those guys. Purdy is playing well, but he has all of the infinity stones with him.

Purdy didn’t play near as badly without Williams and Deebo as people believe. He threw some uncharacteristic interceptions during the 3 game losing streak but aside from the Cleveland game he was still very productive. Against Cincinnati he was 22-31 365 yards and a TD. He also rushed for 57 yards. People are making a bigger deal of his performance because he’s been fairly flawless otherwise. I’d take a QB on my team any day that we bemoan a performance like that as being a poor one…
Purdy  
AcidTest : 11/24/2023 10:07 am : link
certainly has terrific weapons, but he had an elite S2 score, so it isn't surprising that he can process and read defenses quickly. He is also extremely accurate and regularly throws with anticipation.

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RE: He is the exact reason  
gridirony : 11/24/2023 10:13 am : link
In comment 16299920 section125 said:
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I think teams can win with a less than ideal QB. His best attribute is reading defenses instantaneously and then making accurate throws. His arm is adequate, not special.


His arm is special. The ball coming out is easier to see, react to and catch, than those QBs who throw a rocket.

Can he beat Philly on the road  
BigBlueCane : 11/24/2023 10:25 am : link
because that's the bar in the NFC.

If he turns back into a pumpkin there....
RE: RE: Jimmy G, who looks awful this season,  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 11/24/2023 10:38 am : link
In comment 16299951 BigBlueShock said:
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Purdy didn’t play near as badly without Williams and Deebo as people believe. He threw some uncharacteristic interceptions during the 3 game losing streak but aside from the Cleveland game he was still very productive. Against Cincinnati he was 22-31 365 yards and a TD. He also rushed for 57 yards. People are making a bigger deal of his performance because he’s been fairly flawless otherwise. I’d take a QB on my team any day that we bemoan a performance like that as being a poor one…


The numbers look good when you don’t mention he turned the ball over three times in four drives. People are making a big deal of his performance in those games because that’s when he wasn’t playing with all of the infinity stones. Yet he still had McCaffrey, Kittle, Aiyuk, and Juszczyk, but was turning the ball over precipitously.
RE: Can he beat Philly on the road  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 11/24/2023 10:42 am : link
In comment 16299958 BigBlueCane said:
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because that's the bar in the NFC.

If he turns back into a pumpkin there....


He can beat anyone when he’s playing with a full deck.

IMO, that just says more about the “deck” than it does about him.
RE: Can he beat Philly on the road  
RetroJint : 11/24/2023 10:52 am : link
In comment 16299958 BigBlueCane said:
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because that's the bar in the NFC.

If he turns back into a pumpkin there....


He has every intangible you could want in a QB, Cane. And Collingsworth’s observation that he’s faster running than he appears is telling . He can’t drive the deep out , which is the signature throw in evaluating arm strength . But he needn’t do so for them to win a championship .

He’s also centered and humble . The story about him spending the bye week at his girlfriend’s family farm should be contrasted with the ass-clown behavior Dak Prescott exhibited yesterday .

I’m not sure either can win a conference championship game in Philadelphis . But I know who can handle adversity better .

Love watching their offense operate . Hey they’ve had better nights . The crowd noise factor in Seattle is unique to the league . But it is so intricate , physical and nasty . And , contrary to what you read on this board , letting Feliciano get away was a terrible mistake by the Giants . He gives you reliable depth at 3 positions . He filled in well for Banks, who along with Martin, are the 2 best guards in the game . Now he’s put the starting right guard on the bench . And he would have helped Michael -Schmidt transition into the NFL. But such is to digress . Count me in on Purdy .
Purdy is able to get the ball out as fast as a human being can  
jinkies : 11/24/2023 11:02 am : link
It's an athletic trait that he shares with Tua, for instance. Most QBs in the NFL don't have this trait and it makes him special. He most certainly do better in the Giants system than the QBs we have, who all work slowly, compared to Purdy.
Their new Joe Montana.  
Ivan15 : 11/24/2023 11:20 am : link
Maybe not superior skills but he can do all the right things.
RE: Put Purdy on the NYG  
cosmicj : 11/24/2023 11:37 am : link
In comment 16299935 JT039 said:
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And we are still talking about who we are drafting next year.


Except we wouldn’t be drafting a QB.
RE: Their new Joe Montana.  
cosmicj : 11/24/2023 11:38 am : link
In comment 16300005 Ivan15 said:
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Maybe not superior skills but he can do all the right things.


You see, I don’t understand this comment. Aren’t accuracy, anticipation and field vision QB skills?
RE: RE: RE: Jimmy G, who looks awful this season,  
BigBlueShock : 11/24/2023 12:14 pm : link
In comment 16299960 shockeyisthebest8056 said:
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In comment 16299951 BigBlueShock said:


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Purdy didn’t play near as badly without Williams and Deebo as people believe. He threw some uncharacteristic interceptions during the 3 game losing streak but aside from the Cleveland game he was still very productive. Against Cincinnati he was 22-31 365 yards and a TD. He also rushed for 57 yards. People are making a bigger deal of his performance because he’s been fairly flawless otherwise. I’d take a QB on my team any day that we bemoan a performance like that as being a poor one…



The numbers look good when you don’t mention he turned the ball over three times in four drives. People are making a big deal of his performance in those games because that’s when he wasn’t playing with all of the infinity stones. Yet he still had McCaffrey, Kittle, Aiyuk, and Juszczyk, but was turning the ball over precipitously.

Oh please. If Daniel Jones ever put up 22-31 365 and rushed for 57 yards in a close loss to Cincinnati all you Jones fanboys would be ranting on thread after thread about his heroic performance and chalk up the 2 INTs as him just trying to do too much while dragging the team to the finish line all by himself. That game would join the Minnesota game in the folklore for Jones fans forever.

But for a player taken with the very last pick of the draft, you get to sit back and criticize him because he threw a couple of INTs despite the terrific numbers otherwise. It sure would be nice if you clowns had these same expectations for your $40M QB.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Jimmy G, who looks awful this season,  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 11/24/2023 12:56 pm : link
In comment 16300069 BigBlueShock said:
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Oh please. If Daniel Jones ever put up 22-31 365 and rushed for 57 yards in a close loss to Cincinnati all you Jones fanboys would be ranting on thread after thread about his heroic performance and chalk up the 2 INTs as him just trying to do too much while dragging the team to the finish line all by himself. That game would join the Minnesota game in the folklore for Jones fans forever.

But for a player taken with the very last pick of the draft, you get to sit back and criticize him because he threw a couple of INTs despite the terrific numbers otherwise. It sure would be nice if you clowns had these same expectations for your $40M QB.


Jones fanboys? Are you drunk? I thought we were discussing Brock Purdy.

I’ll never understand why people think you can automatically transfer what you see in a highly advantageous situation (San Fran is perhaps the highest) to what you would see in a highly disadvantageous situation. Pat Mahomes is putting up the worst numbers of his career nearly across the board. Is it because of “processing speed”? Of course not. His receivers are somehow worse than last year’s and the offensive line isn’t nearly as effective. That’s how Mahomes currently has a YPA better than only the worst starting QBs in the sport. And there are situations clearly worse than that around the sport. That’s how Brock Purdy managed to commit more than half of his fumbles and interceptions in the 3 games he played without Deebo (two of which featured no Trent Williams and one featured a not at full strength McCaffrey). Keep in mind, Purdy still had Aiyuk, Kittle, McCaffrey, and the best fullback (along with one of the best play callers) at his disposal.

Considering the inarguable fall off in Purdy’s play just in the absence of a few of his highly talented teammates, I think it’s fair to question what he would do in a situation that lacked nearly all of these guys.
Purdy looks like a good NFL QB...  
bw in dc : 11/24/2023 1:01 pm : link
who plays for a HC who knows how to develop him to fit his great system with an exceptional supporting cast.

But Purdy doesn't have idea size, arm talent or athleticism that make him a good long-term candidate for the position. He's at his ceiling as far as I'm concerned and the 9ers should ride him until his contract is up. And not over pay him if they decide on round two.

If I'm Lynch, I'm still looking to draft other QBs somewhere on day three.
RE: RE: Their new Joe Montana.  
jinkies : 11/24/2023 1:27 pm : link
In comment 16300029 cosmicj said:
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Maybe not superior skills but he can do all the right things.



You see, I don’t understand this comment. Aren’t accuracy, anticipation and field vision QB skills?


I agree with you. People here think athletic traits are just size, strength, speed. But Purdy has other athletic traits. The ones you mention.

Also consistency is an athletic trait.

So is quickness.

RE: ...  
Johnny5 : 11/24/2023 1:52 pm : link
In comment 16299927 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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I think he's the perfect QB for that offense.

Agreed. You have to give Purdy props for sure, BUT it really is the perfect place for him to have landed. Great coach, system, and there's a hell of a lot of talent on that team.
RE: …  
joe48 : 11/24/2023 3:48 pm : link
In comment 16299941 christian said:
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Brock Purdy is the anti-Jones. He makes up for many subpar qualities with quick and instinctive decisions.

Purdy can only succeed in a handful of situations, whereas Jones can succeed in virtually none.

Purdy had his problems when his key guys got injured. He wasn’t seeing the field or making quick decisions.
RE: Purdy looks like a good NFL QB...  
NINEster : 11/24/2023 8:59 pm : link
In comment 16300085 bw in dc said:
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who plays for a HC who knows how to develop him to fit his great system with an exceptional supporting cast.

But Purdy doesn't have idea size, arm talent or athleticism that make him a good long-term candidate for the position. He's at his ceiling as far as I'm concerned and the 9ers should ride him until his contract is up. And not over pay him if they decide on round two.

If I'm Lynch, I'm still looking to draft other QBs somewhere on day three.


If the Niners are really carrying Purdy so much in your eyes, they've still got Sam Darnold for cheap, likely better than average QB you'd draft.
RE: RE: Purdy looks like a good NFL QB...  
bw in dc : 11/24/2023 10:04 pm : link
In comment 16300376 NINEster said:
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In comment 16300085 bw in dc said:


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who plays for a HC who knows how to develop him to fit his great system with an exceptional supporting cast.

But Purdy doesn't have idea size, arm talent or athleticism that make him a good long-term candidate for the position. He's at his ceiling as far as I'm concerned and the 9ers should ride him until his contract is up. And not over pay him if they decide on round two.

If I'm Lynch, I'm still looking to draft other QBs somewhere on day three.



If the Niners are really carrying Purdy so much in your eyes, they've still got Sam Darnold for cheap, likely better than average QB you'd draft.


Purdy is better than Darnold. So, why would they do that?

Again, Purdy is a good QB and he's executing plays at a fairly high level. He blends in very well with what Shanahan is trying to do.

But I don't view Purdy as the type of player who has the high-level skills to convey to any situation. Players like Allen, Mahomes, Herbert have those skills.
I am impressed enough with Purdy's accuracy, timing and  
ThomasG : 11/25/2023 8:14 am : link
enough processing to see a pretty decent QB. Have to imagine that he is playing at this high of a level because he gets a big lift from his playmaking stars on Offense and Shanahan.

Good for him to overachieve from his draft status but the situation has a lot to do with it.
Great QBs can anticipate and Purdy has that in spades  
GiantTuff1 : 11/25/2023 9:12 pm : link
it’s like a 6th sense.

Too often people fall in love with the big arm or fast athlete but QB is mostly about lightning fast smart decisions, intelligence to read a defense and make calls, quick release and distribution. He can do all that without a cannon for an arm or running like a deer. For some reason that’s confusing to the general population.

Don’t look now but I think Tommy DeVito has a couple of these qualities too. His performance against Washington and style of play reminded me a lot of another UDFA, Tony Romo.
Purdy is good  
black aces : 11/26/2023 7:32 am : link
Yes, he does not have Allen's arm or a Mahomes arm but most dont.

He worked on his mechanics post draft combine and throws with much more velocity than he did at college. He is clocked at 56 mph. Average for an NFL QB is 51 mph.

He pushes the ball down field as seen by his YPA. He has shown lately that he can go outside the numbers.

Athletically he is beyond what scouts recognized initially. His 10 yard split is the same as Lamar Jackson's.

His best attributes are his processing which is superior, vision and anticipation. His footwork and base are very good.

He went to the best situation possible.

Still, they got ridiculously lucky with that pick.
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