But putting any QB behind our o line is a disaster waiting to happen.
First priority has to be to fix the line. Doesn't mean we cannot draft a qb in the first round but the line must be fixed. We need to bring in some quality veteran o line players because most o line players drafted need time to develop.
Don't care which name you pick at QB, give him the same shit show support that was provided for Jones in 2023 and see what you get.
So you’re saying using one pick on the QB position completely neuters them from making any other changes, at all on the entire team? Wtf is wrong with some of you people? You can’t possibly believe that, so what’s your motive for spewing it? Let me guess…this is yet another completely toothless, indirect defense for a Daniel Jones tryout number 6?
Running it back with Daniel Jones for a sixth shot to prove he can play without having a plan B on the roster is MUCH closer to “insanity” than using one draft pick on the QB position.
If I knew I could pick up JJ or Nix in the 2nd rd, that would certainly adjust my thinking. Getting something like Harrison Jr, then Nix/JJ, would be an outstanding start to the draft
get overdrafred every year, more than any other position. Some that should be taken in the second and third rounds will go in the first simply because as others have said teams want the fifth year option.
My view is that if you like a QB, take him. Don't trade down and risk losing him, and don't worry if you take him a round or two before the "experts" say you should have.
complex question.
We know that Brock Purdy was the last player drafted. But now he looks like he should have gone much higher. If Bo Nix had come out last year would he have been drafted ahead of Purdy?
I am now absolutely certain that processing speed is far more important than arm strength. Watching Purdy carve up defenses with his middling arm strength(not saying he is a noodle arm at all) is impressive.
IMV, that he is 23 y/o is unimportant - 24 at draft. If he plays 12 years that gets him to 36. 12 years is a lot of NFL time for anyone.
Age matters. You're a 23 year old man playing at times against people less physically and mentally advanced. Coviid allowed these kids about 2 extra years.
Nix played a ton at Auburn. This thread is full of people who hate jones and will do mental gymnastics to pick a guy who probably won't be any better. QB idiocy. But then again FL GMs do it too. How many of you genius GMs wanted Darnold Rosen. Etc.
I’m not a fan of Nix and am also very skeptical but this take is just lazy. It doesn’t take “mental gymnastics” to think Nix would be an upgrade over Jones. It actually wouldn’t be very difficult to do that. The bar is low. But that aside, Nix has been stratospheres better than Jones at both the high school and college levels. Nix was a 5 star recruit coming out of high school and rated the number 1 dual threat QB in the class. He was incredibly highly recruited. Jones had to walk on at Duke as a 0 star recruit. And twist yourself into pretzels trying to find excuses all you want, Nix has been infinitely more productive at the college level than Jones was ever was.
Nix may end up a backup in the NFL, who knows. But to suggest that he “probably won’t be any better than Jones” is incredibly disingenuous. That opinion is based on absolutely nothing and should not discourage the Giants from taking him if he gets to a spot in the draft they are comfortable taking him. There’s nothing on his resume that suggest he can’t be an upgrade at the position other than fear from other QB failures in the past. But we already have one of those so no sense being afraid to take a shot. The record certainly won’t get much worse because there’s not very much further to fall…
Better than Jones should not be the standard for a first round QB. We got a better performance than Jones from a UDFA. The 5th year option exists for a reason. A first round pick needs to be a player that you can see offering the option to if they reach expected ceiling. To me I don't see Nix as that level of player especially with what the Giants currently have at WR. Therefore I wouldn't spend a first on him.
I never said I wanted the Giants to take him and I never said that him being better than Jones was a reason to take him. I also never said the Giants should take him in the first round. I was only pushing back on the idea that Nix “probably” won’t be any better than Jones. He’s proven to be better than Jones at every level so far so why wouldn’t he probably be better than Jones at the next level?
No offense, but you completely misrepresented my post and pushed back against things I never said
I apologize as your post may have not been the best to respond to. I will say that there is a lot on his resume to suggest that he can’t be an upgrade. Among those are his frequent struggles in the SEC and the fact that his performance this year has been bolstered by an inordinately high number of passes behind LOS or going no further than 10 yards with receivers schemed to be able to make yards after the catch.
What I was pushing back against were those who want to draft any QB in Round 1 regardless of who that QB is. I am not denying that we need to land a QB, but that can be Day 2 if the Giants are drafting at a spot where they are not confident that any QB will be worth wanting to exercise the fifth year option on if they reach a realistic ceiling. I do strongly believe as I said here and in other posts that if you grade someone as a 1st round talent they need to have a path where you can say in 3 years that you will want to exercise that option.
It is one of my pet peeves but I have never understood why people feel the need to come on a site like this to tell us what they would do regarding this or that player. It would be like they would come on and declare that they think radiation is a better cancer treatment than chemo. We would ask were they doctors and they would say no but they watch lots of medical shows on TV. What anyone on this site would do in the end is simply useless information.
The only really useful information on this thread is that Schoen was at the Oregon game last night which tells us if nothing else that the Giants have a pretty good grade on Nix. NFL GMs don't travel across the country to see possible second rounders, especially when their own team is playing back on the other coast that week.I'm also really curious to know where Schoen is today. Did he stay om the west coast to see the Washington game or head east and maybe take in the LSU game.
It is one of my pet peeves but I have never understood why people feel the need to come on a site like this to tell us what they would do regarding this or that player. It would be like they would come on and declare that they think radiation is a better cancer treatment than chemo. We would ask were they doctors and they would say no but they watch lots of medical shows on TV. What anyone on this site would do in the end is simply useless information.
The only really useful information on this thread is that Schoen was at the Oregon game last night which tells us if nothing else that the Giants have a pretty good grade on Nix. NFL GMs don't travel across the country to see possible second rounders, especially when their own team is playing back on the other coast that week.I'm also really curious to know where Schoen is today. Did he stay om the west coast to see the Washington game or head east and maybe take in the LSU game.
From what has been written before, QB’s to the QB needy teams are the exception to the GM not scouting rule. Perhaps of the Nix games against quality teams it lined up the best for Schoen to catch this one.
Again, Daniels does not have a NFL arm. Nearly every scouting report says this.
Struggles to consistently operate from the pocket, particularly with throws across all field levels. Displays discomfort and inconsistency when required to make extended progressions.
Inconsistent throwing motion which hampers accuracy, timing, and power. Lacks proper lower body engagement, resulting in reduced throw power and accuracy, especially on sideline passes.
Despite ample experience, evident stagnation in his development. Faces issues connecting his throwing motion with his legs, leading to inconsistent ball placement and capped arm strength.
Physically, presents a concern due to his slender 185-pound frame on a 6’3” stature. Needs added bulk for NFL durability without compromising his agility and speed.
Deep ball accuracy leaves much to be desired. Exhibits multiple overthrows in deep third and occasional off-target shorter passes. Requires improvement in pocket trust, often evacuating prematurely instead of fully surveying the field.
Is either from before the season or hasn’t watched Daniels play this year. You don’t do what he did as a passer this year without one. You can just watch his touchdown throws today to see that.
He won’t be confused with Herbert when it comes to velocity, but it’s good enough (and velocity is overrated). His touch at every level is elite but the trait that he has that separates elite QBs from good and bad ones his is touch outside the numbers. The throws he makes from hash to hash wouldn’t be possible if he didn’t have an NFL arm.
Nix will be one of the most debated prospects in the class
Without showing my cards - and I still have some to do on him, here are 3 negatives and 3 positives that will determine everything
NEG
1) He almost never experiences repeated pressure in the pocket. He has been sacked 12 times since start of 2022. That will not happen in the league - and if he is drafted by the wrong team with a poor OL - who knows how he will respond. We have seen him against pressure at Auburn - it was ugly.
2) Defenses in the Pac 12 are just as bad as what we see in the Big 12. If anything - they are worse. Not as fast, not as big. Oregon's skill position guys are almost always head and shoulders above opponents. That will not be the case in the NFL.
3) The bad decision making we saw at Auburn still shows up at Oregon. Throws across field into traffic. Too many unnecessary risks.
POS
1) Ton of experience and he has changed how he plays (for the most part). Trusts system over his talent - which is a big deal. He can be coached - that matters.
2) Loves the game. Knows it well (son of a coach). Gets on his receivers when they make mistakes but he is loved by everyone in that program. A true leader that knows what it takes off the field to be a pro QB.
3) Underrated athlete. NYG fans - he is a better runner than Jones. Similar long speed but even better agility / quickness. He will create a ton with his legs.
Nix will be one of the most debated prospects in the class
Without showing my cards - and I still have some to do on him, here are 3 negatives and 3 positives that will determine everything
NEG
1) He almost never experiences repeated pressure in the pocket. He has been sacked 12 times since start of 2022. That will not happen in the league - and if he is drafted by the wrong team with a poor OL - who knows how he will respond. We have seen him against pressure at Auburn - it was ugly.
2) Defenses in the Pac 12 are just as bad as what we see in the Big 12. If anything - they are worse. Not as fast, not as big. Oregon's skill position guys are almost always head and shoulders above opponents. That will not be the case in the NFL.
3) The bad decision making we saw at Auburn still shows up at Oregon. Throws across field into traffic. Too many unnecessary risks.
POS
1) Ton of experience and he has changed how he plays (for the most part). Trusts system over his talent - which is a big deal. He can be coached - that matters.
2) Loves the game. Knows it well (son of a coach). Gets on his receivers when they make mistakes but he is loved by everyone in that program. A true leader that knows what it takes off the field to be a pro QB.
3) Underrated athlete. NYG fans - he is a better runner than Jones. Similar long speed but even better agility / quickness. He will create a ton with his legs.
Actually yes. McCarthy does have a stronger arm than Daniels. Do you watch college football?
Get paid to. Can ask the same question if you if you don’t think Daniels has a NFL arm. Velocity and an NFL arm are not the same thing. Ryan Mallet had a rifle, Ryan Mallet didn’t have an NFL arm.
Nix will be one of the most debated prospects in the class
Without showing my cards - and I still have some to do on him, here are 3 negatives and 3 positives that will determine everything
NEG
1) He almost never experiences repeated pressure in the pocket. He has been sacked 12 times since start of 2022. That will not happen in the league - and if he is drafted by the wrong team with a poor OL - who knows how he will respond. We have seen him against pressure at Auburn - it was ugly.
2) Defenses in the Pac 12 are just as bad as what we see in the Big 12. If anything - they are worse. Not as fast, not as big. Oregon's skill position guys are almost always head and shoulders above opponents. That will not be the case in the NFL.
3) The bad decision making we saw at Auburn still shows up at Oregon. Throws across field into traffic. Too many unnecessary risks.
POS
1) Ton of experience and he has changed how he plays (for the most part). Trusts system over his talent - which is a big deal. He can be coached - that matters.
2) Loves the game. Knows it well (son of a coach). Gets on his receivers when they make mistakes but he is loved by everyone in that program. A true leader that knows what it takes off the field to be a pro QB.
3) Underrated athlete. NYG fans - he is a better runner than Jones. Similar long speed but even better agility / quickness. He will create a ton with his legs.
Certainly as a prospect coming out of college Nix > Purdy.
But now that Purdy has an established level of excellent play in the NFL his college evaluation is irrelevant. Whether you think Purdy is top-8, top-12, top-15, he is now in a different class.
Admittedly I am not reading the previous comments....
But yes -my grade on Nix will be higher than it was on Purdy coming out of college - anyone that says otherwise is a liar.
Of course. Purdy was the last player taken in the draft. Nix will likely go in the first round, or high 2nd at the latest. That alone says Nix > Purdy as college prospect.
But would teams opt for Nix now or Purdy now. I think everything being equal, it's Purdy. For whatever that's worth.
Thanks. I know it is a matter of how he translates to the NFL. It will be a new horizon when he has a hand in his face every down.
I am done the Daniel Jones. Just find me somebody that can read a defense and get the ball out of his hand decisively. I think Williams, Maye and Daniels will be gone by the time the Giants draft. Not sure Nix is worth a 6-10 pick.
RE: RE: Not really sure why Purdy is brought up...
Admittedly I am not reading the previous comments....
But yes -my grade on Nix will be higher than it was on Purdy coming out of college - anyone that says otherwise is a liar.
Of course. Purdy was the last player taken in the draft. Nix will likely go in the first round, or high 2nd at the latest. That alone says Nix > Purdy as college prospect.
But would teams opt for Nix now or Purdy now. I think everything being equal, it's Purdy. For whatever that's worth.
Yes....
and everyone would have signed for Tom Brady (6th rounder) never every single QB prospect ever to come out after 2000.
Thanks. I know it is a matter of how he translates to the NFL. It will be a new horizon when he has a hand in his face every down.
I am done the Daniel Jones. Just find me somebody that can read a defense and get the ball out of his hand decisively. I think Williams, Maye and Daniels will be gone by the time the Giants draft. Not sure Nix is worth a 6-10 pick.
Does not have to be round 1.
Remember you have to fix this OL and you need a #1 WR.
Admittedly I am not reading the previous comments....
But yes -my grade on Nix will be higher than it was on Purdy coming out of college - anyone that says otherwise is a liar.
FWIW, I know Purdy is with some outstanding weapons at SF. But what I see is a guy with an accurate but middling strength arm that reads quickly gets the ball out quickly and decisively. If Nix is better than that, then he could be in play for the Giants. He may not be a 1st round grade but perhaps in play for the 2nd.
Thanks. I know it is a matter of how he translates to the NFL. It will be a new horizon when he has a hand in his face every down.
I am done the Daniel Jones. Just find me somebody that can read a defense and get the ball out of his hand decisively. I think Williams, Maye and Daniels will be gone by the time the Giants draft. Not sure Nix is worth a 6-10 pick.
Does not have to be round 1.
Remember you have to fix this OL and you need a #1 WR.
I absolutely agree. They need a better oline coach. I just have not seen any improvement in any lineman in two years with Johnson. They need IOL improvements. Yes they need a #1 WR, but can live with what they have right now.
They also need someonce opposite KT and Deontae Banks...(damn that is a lot.)
I have no idea where Ryan found his scouting report on Daniels or how old that nonsense is but here’s a much more recent report. Like..yesterday recent.
Except the quote he left out from that scouting report:
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Impressive arm strength allowing him to target all three levels of the field with ease. Demonstrates quick release, especially on short and intermediate throws.
Here’s a Daniels clip from high school casually tossing it 50 yards
I have no idea where Ryan found his scouting report on Daniels or how old that nonsense is but here’s a much more recent report. Like..yesterday recent.
“Absolute laser” is used to describe his arm… Jayden Daniels Scouting Report - ( New Window )
He has a very good arm. But I think his best attribute is his release.
It's hard to forget he had three full years at Auburn where he struggled mightily. It could be that he developed... Seemingly overnight or could be that Oregon has a lot more offensive power playing against underwhelming defensive talent. It's hard to forget just how bad he was at Auburn. He seemed to panic and couldn't process what to do. Then had a bunch of turnovers. Maybe he's a lot better, but I wouldn't bet on it in the first round
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As a true freshman, Nix was named the starting quarterback for Auburn's 2019 season opener against Oregon.[3] He led Auburn to a 27–21 come-back win against the Oregon Ducks at AT&T Stadium in Arlington, Texas, on August 31, 2019.[4]
Nix led Auburn to a 9–4 record in his freshman season, winning the Iron Bowl, 48–45 over Alabama.[5] He was voted the SEC's 2019 Freshman of the Year,[6] finishing the campaign with 16 touchdowns and 6 interceptions.
For 16 tds that freshman year. In that win against Alabama he completed 50% of his passes for 1 td. Auburn won because they took two interceptions back for TDS.
You came on here like a dick with a “do you even watch college football” and then tried to use a scouting report to prove you were right while leaving out the part of the scouting report that said he had a strong arm. Why?
For 16 tds that freshman year. In that win against Alabama he completed 50% of his passes for 1 td. Auburn won because they took two interceptions back for TDS.
For 16 tds that freshman year. In that win against Alabama he completed 50% of his passes for 1 td. Auburn won because they took two interceptions back for TDS.
He was a freshman 4 fucking years ago - it's entirely possible he's not the same QB now. Just sayin'....
RE: RE: RE: McCarthy has an NFL arm but Daniels doesn’t?
Actually yes. McCarthy does have a stronger arm than Daniels. Do you watch college football?
Get paid to. Can ask the same question if you if you don’t think Daniels has a NFL arm. Velocity and an NFL arm are not the same thing. Ryan Mallet had a rifle, Ryan Mallet didn’t have an NFL arm.
Can you describe what an NFL Arm is? I am asking seriously because I associate the term ‘nfl arm’ with arm strength. My guess is that the term NFL arm is also talking about touch and accuracy.
had a lot of issues as a program. Nix had a promising freshman year and regressed in year 2 but so did the team. That was Malzahn's last season. New HC and there was a big team revolt with about 20 players leaving including Nix. That HC was gone by midseason in his second season as HC. So it is not like Nix was in a ideal situation and that is also probably in the toughest division in college football.
For 16 tds that freshman year. In that win against Alabama he completed 50% of his passes for 1 td. Auburn won because they took two interceptions back for TDS.
He was a freshman 4 fucking years ago - it's entirely possible he's not the same QB now. Just sayin'....
He was just as bad his sophomore and junior years.
For 16 tds that freshman year. In that win against Alabama he completed 50% of his passes for 1 td. Auburn won because they took two interceptions back for TDS.
He was a freshman 4 fucking years ago - it's entirely possible he's not the same QB now. Just sayin'....
He was just as bad his sophomore and junior years.
First priority has to be to fix the line. Doesn't mean we cannot draft a qb in the first round but the line must be fixed. We need to bring in some quality veteran o line players because most o line players drafted need time to develop.
So you’re saying using one pick on the QB position completely neuters them from making any other changes, at all on the entire team? Wtf is wrong with some of you people? You can’t possibly believe that, so what’s your motive for spewing it? Let me guess…this is yet another completely toothless, indirect defense for a Daniel Jones tryout number 6?
Don’t answer that, I already know the answer.
To my eye there are three exceptional qualities in this QB class: Daniels's mobility, Williams's off schedule talent, and Penix's accuracy.
+1 - I see the similarities between Nix and Maye.
I would be OK with any of them although each has his warts that they will need to work on. My choice is Daniels.
Daniels = size (weight)
Williams = size (height)/psyche (handle NY press/fans)
Penix = injuries
Nix = system guy
If I knew I could pick up JJ or Nix in the 2nd rd, that would certainly adjust my thinking. Getting something like Harrison Jr, then Nix/JJ, would be an outstanding start to the draft
It’s not weak. It’s above average at worst
My view is that if you like a QB, take him. Don't trade down and risk losing him, and don't worry if you take him a round or two before the "experts" say you should have.
Did you write that with a straight face?
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complex question.
We know that Brock Purdy was the last player drafted. But now he looks like he should have gone much higher. If Bo Nix had come out last year would he have been drafted ahead of Purdy?
I am now absolutely certain that processing speed is far more important than arm strength. Watching Purdy carve up defenses with his middling arm strength(not saying he is a noodle arm at all) is impressive.
IMV, that he is 23 y/o is unimportant - 24 at draft. If he plays 12 years that gets him to 36. 12 years is a lot of NFL time for anyone.
Age matters. You're a 23 year old man playing at times against people less physically and mentally advanced. Coviid allowed these kids about 2 extra years.
Nix played a ton at Auburn. This thread is full of people who hate jones and will do mental gymnastics to pick a guy who probably won't be any better. QB idiocy. But then again FL GMs do it too. How many of you genius GMs wanted Darnold Rosen. Etc.
I’m not a fan of Nix and am also very skeptical but this take is just lazy. It doesn’t take “mental gymnastics” to think Nix would be an upgrade over Jones. It actually wouldn’t be very difficult to do that. The bar is low. But that aside, Nix has been stratospheres better than Jones at both the high school and college levels. Nix was a 5 star recruit coming out of high school and rated the number 1 dual threat QB in the class. He was incredibly highly recruited. Jones had to walk on at Duke as a 0 star recruit. And twist yourself into pretzels trying to find excuses all you want, Nix has been infinitely more productive at the college level than Jones was ever was.
Nix may end up a backup in the NFL, who knows. But to suggest that he “probably won’t be any better than Jones” is incredibly disingenuous. That opinion is based on absolutely nothing and should not discourage the Giants from taking him if he gets to a spot in the draft they are comfortable taking him. There’s nothing on his resume that suggest he can’t be an upgrade at the position other than fear from other QB failures in the past. But we already have one of those so no sense being afraid to take a shot. The record certainly won’t get much worse because there’s not very much further to fall…
Better than Jones should not be the standard for a first round QB. We got a better performance than Jones from a UDFA. The 5th year option exists for a reason. A first round pick needs to be a player that you can see offering the option to if they reach expected ceiling. To me I don't see Nix as that level of player especially with what the Giants currently have at WR. Therefore I wouldn't spend a first on him.
I never said I wanted the Giants to take him and I never said that him being better than Jones was a reason to take him. I also never said the Giants should take him in the first round. I was only pushing back on the idea that Nix “probably” won’t be any better than Jones. He’s proven to be better than Jones at every level so far so why wouldn’t he probably be better than Jones at the next level?
No offense, but you completely misrepresented my post and pushed back against things I never said
I apologize as your post may have not been the best to respond to. I will say that there is a lot on his resume to suggest that he can’t be an upgrade. Among those are his frequent struggles in the SEC and the fact that his performance this year has been bolstered by an inordinately high number of passes behind LOS or going no further than 10 yards with receivers schemed to be able to make yards after the catch.
What I was pushing back against were those who want to draft any QB in Round 1 regardless of who that QB is. I am not denying that we need to land a QB, but that can be Day 2 if the Giants are drafting at a spot where they are not confident that any QB will be worth wanting to exercise the fifth year option on if they reach a realistic ceiling. I do strongly believe as I said here and in other posts that if you grade someone as a 1st round talent they need to have a path where you can say in 3 years that you will want to exercise that option.
The only really useful information on this thread is that Schoen was at the Oregon game last night which tells us if nothing else that the Giants have a pretty good grade on Nix. NFL GMs don't travel across the country to see possible second rounders, especially when their own team is playing back on the other coast that week.I'm also really curious to know where Schoen is today. Did he stay om the west coast to see the Washington game or head east and maybe take in the LSU game.
The only really useful information on this thread is that Schoen was at the Oregon game last night which tells us if nothing else that the Giants have a pretty good grade on Nix. NFL GMs don't travel across the country to see possible second rounders, especially when their own team is playing back on the other coast that week.I'm also really curious to know where Schoen is today. Did he stay om the west coast to see the Washington game or head east and maybe take in the LSU game.
From what has been written before, QB’s to the QB needy teams are the exception to the GM not scouting rule. Perhaps of the Nix games against quality teams it lined up the best for Schoen to catch this one.
Struggles to consistently operate from the pocket, particularly with throws across all field levels. Displays discomfort and inconsistency when required to make extended progressions.
Inconsistent throwing motion which hampers accuracy, timing, and power. Lacks proper lower body engagement, resulting in reduced throw power and accuracy, especially on sideline passes.
Despite ample experience, evident stagnation in his development. Faces issues connecting his throwing motion with his legs, leading to inconsistent ball placement and capped arm strength.
Physically, presents a concern due to his slender 185-pound frame on a 6’3” stature. Needs added bulk for NFL durability without compromising his agility and speed.
Deep ball accuracy leaves much to be desired. Exhibits multiple overthrows in deep third and occasional off-target shorter passes. Requires improvement in pocket trust, often evacuating prematurely instead of fully surveying the field.
But the difference between him and Maye/Williams at the NFL level is not close IMO.
I’d take McCarthy in 2nd/3rd round over Daniels early.
He won’t be confused with Herbert when it comes to velocity, but it’s good enough (and velocity is overrated). His touch at every level is elite but the trait that he has that separates elite QBs from good and bad ones his is touch outside the numbers. The throws he makes from hash to hash wouldn’t be possible if he didn’t have an NFL arm.
Without showing my cards - and I still have some to do on him, here are 3 negatives and 3 positives that will determine everything
NEG
1) He almost never experiences repeated pressure in the pocket. He has been sacked 12 times since start of 2022. That will not happen in the league - and if he is drafted by the wrong team with a poor OL - who knows how he will respond. We have seen him against pressure at Auburn - it was ugly.
2) Defenses in the Pac 12 are just as bad as what we see in the Big 12. If anything - they are worse. Not as fast, not as big. Oregon's skill position guys are almost always head and shoulders above opponents. That will not be the case in the NFL.
3) The bad decision making we saw at Auburn still shows up at Oregon. Throws across field into traffic. Too many unnecessary risks.
POS
1) Ton of experience and he has changed how he plays (for the most part). Trusts system over his talent - which is a big deal. He can be coached - that matters.
2) Loves the game. Knows it well (son of a coach). Gets on his receivers when they make mistakes but he is loved by everyone in that program. A true leader that knows what it takes off the field to be a pro QB.
3) Underrated athlete. NYG fans - he is a better runner than Jones. Similar long speed but even better agility / quickness. He will create a ton with his legs.
Giants take Nix in mock - ( New Window )
Without showing my cards - and I still have some to do on him, here are 3 negatives and 3 positives that will determine everything
NEG
1) He almost never experiences repeated pressure in the pocket. He has been sacked 12 times since start of 2022. That will not happen in the league - and if he is drafted by the wrong team with a poor OL - who knows how he will respond. We have seen him against pressure at Auburn - it was ugly.
2) Defenses in the Pac 12 are just as bad as what we see in the Big 12. If anything - they are worse. Not as fast, not as big. Oregon's skill position guys are almost always head and shoulders above opponents. That will not be the case in the NFL.
3) The bad decision making we saw at Auburn still shows up at Oregon. Throws across field into traffic. Too many unnecessary risks.
POS
1) Ton of experience and he has changed how he plays (for the most part). Trusts system over his talent - which is a big deal. He can be coached - that matters.
2) Loves the game. Knows it well (son of a coach). Gets on his receivers when they make mistakes but he is loved by everyone in that program. A true leader that knows what it takes off the field to be a pro QB.
3) Underrated athlete. NYG fans - he is a better runner than Jones. Similar long speed but even better agility / quickness. He will create a ton with his legs.
Sy, is he better than Brock Purdy?
Actually yes. McCarthy does have a stronger arm than Daniels. Do you watch college football?
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Actually yes. McCarthy does have a stronger arm than Daniels. Do you watch college football?
Could give a shit about marginally better arm strength. Who reads the defense faster and better?
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lol ok.
Actually yes. McCarthy does have a stronger arm than Daniels. Do you watch college football?
Get paid to. Can ask the same question if you if you don’t think Daniels has a NFL arm. Velocity and an NFL arm are not the same thing. Ryan Mallet had a rifle, Ryan Mallet didn’t have an NFL arm.
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Nix will be one of the most debated prospects in the class
Without showing my cards - and I still have some to do on him, here are 3 negatives and 3 positives that will determine everything
NEG
1) He almost never experiences repeated pressure in the pocket. He has been sacked 12 times since start of 2022. That will not happen in the league - and if he is drafted by the wrong team with a poor OL - who knows how he will respond. We have seen him against pressure at Auburn - it was ugly.
2) Defenses in the Pac 12 are just as bad as what we see in the Big 12. If anything - they are worse. Not as fast, not as big. Oregon's skill position guys are almost always head and shoulders above opponents. That will not be the case in the NFL.
3) The bad decision making we saw at Auburn still shows up at Oregon. Throws across field into traffic. Too many unnecessary risks.
POS
1) Ton of experience and he has changed how he plays (for the most part). Trusts system over his talent - which is a big deal. He can be coached - that matters.
2) Loves the game. Knows it well (son of a coach). Gets on his receivers when they make mistakes but he is loved by everyone in that program. A true leader that knows what it takes off the field to be a pro QB.
3) Underrated athlete. NYG fans - he is a better runner than Jones. Similar long speed but even better agility / quickness. He will create a ton with his legs.
Sy, is he better than Brock Purdy?
As a prospect?
Sure thing.
Sy, is he better than Brock Purdy?
As a prospect?
Sure thing.
Certainly as a prospect coming out of college Nix > Purdy.
But now that Purdy has an established level of excellent play in the NFL his college evaluation is irrelevant. Whether you think Purdy is top-8, top-12, top-15, he is now in a different class.
But yes -my grade on Nix will be higher than it was on Purdy coming out of college - anyone that says otherwise is a liar.
But yes -my grade on Nix will be higher than it was on Purdy coming out of college - anyone that says otherwise is a liar.
Of course. Purdy was the last player taken in the draft. Nix will likely go in the first round, or high 2nd at the latest. That alone says Nix > Purdy as college prospect.
But would teams opt for Nix now or Purdy now. I think everything being equal, it's Purdy. For whatever that's worth.
Sy, is he better than Brock Purdy?
As a prospect?
Sure thing.
Thanks. I know it is a matter of how he translates to the NFL. It will be a new horizon when he has a hand in his face every down.
I am done the Daniel Jones. Just find me somebody that can read a defense and get the ball out of his hand decisively. I think Williams, Maye and Daniels will be gone by the time the Giants draft. Not sure Nix is worth a 6-10 pick.
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But yes -my grade on Nix will be higher than it was on Purdy coming out of college - anyone that says otherwise is a liar.
Of course. Purdy was the last player taken in the draft. Nix will likely go in the first round, or high 2nd at the latest. That alone says Nix > Purdy as college prospect.
But would teams opt for Nix now or Purdy now. I think everything being equal, it's Purdy. For whatever that's worth.
Yes....
and everyone would have signed for Tom Brady (6th rounder) never every single QB prospect ever to come out after 2000.
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Sy, is he better than Brock Purdy?
As a prospect?
Sure thing.
Thanks. I know it is a matter of how he translates to the NFL. It will be a new horizon when he has a hand in his face every down.
I am done the Daniel Jones. Just find me somebody that can read a defense and get the ball out of his hand decisively. I think Williams, Maye and Daniels will be gone by the time the Giants draft. Not sure Nix is worth a 6-10 pick.
Does not have to be round 1.
Remember you have to fix this OL and you need a #1 WR.
But yes -my grade on Nix will be higher than it was on Purdy coming out of college - anyone that says otherwise is a liar.
FWIW, I know Purdy is with some outstanding weapons at SF. But what I see is a guy with an accurate but middling strength arm that reads quickly gets the ball out quickly and decisively. If Nix is better than that, then he could be in play for the Giants. He may not be a 1st round grade but perhaps in play for the 2nd.
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Sy, is he better than Brock Purdy?
As a prospect?
Sure thing.
Thanks. I know it is a matter of how he translates to the NFL. It will be a new horizon when he has a hand in his face every down.
I am done the Daniel Jones. Just find me somebody that can read a defense and get the ball out of his hand decisively. I think Williams, Maye and Daniels will be gone by the time the Giants draft. Not sure Nix is worth a 6-10 pick.
Does not have to be round 1.
Remember you have to fix this OL and you need a #1 WR.
I absolutely agree. They need a better oline coach. I just have not seen any improvement in any lineman in two years with Johnson. They need IOL improvements. Yes they need a #1 WR, but can live with what they have right now.
They also need someonce opposite KT and Deontae Banks...(damn that is a lot.)
Welcome to the abyss.
It's not worth it sometimes...
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lol ok.
Welcome to the abyss.
It's not worth it sometimes...
Nerve of someone who thought Daniel Jones was a good college prospect to question if someone else watches college football
“Absolute laser” is used to describe his arm…
Jayden Daniels Scouting Report - ( New Window )
https://www.nfldraftbuzz.com/Player/Jayden-Daniels-QB-ArizonaState
Except the quote he left out from that scouting report:
Here’s a Daniels clip from high school casually tossing it 50 yards
https://www.nfldraftbuzz.com/Player/Jayden-Daniels-QB-ArizonaState
“Absolute laser” is used to describe his arm… Jayden Daniels Scouting Report - ( New Window )
He has a very good arm. But I think his best attribute is his release.
Nix led Auburn to a 9–4 record in his freshman season, winning the Iron Bowl, 48–45 over Alabama.[5] He was voted the SEC's 2019 Freshman of the Year,[6] finishing the campaign with 16 touchdowns and 6 interceptions.
Yup, that's some strugglin'.
You’re a bully dude. Just fucking relax. Jesus
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Thought nobody else know how to use google
You’re a bully dude. Just fucking relax. Jesus
You came on here like a dick with a “do you even watch college football” and then tried to use a scouting report to prove you were right while leaving out the part of the scouting report that said he had a strong arm. Why?
Cry more.
You're trying too hard...
He was a freshman 4 fucking years ago - it's entirely possible he's not the same QB now. Just sayin'....
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lol ok.
Actually yes. McCarthy does have a stronger arm than Daniels. Do you watch college football?
Get paid to. Can ask the same question if you if you don’t think Daniels has a NFL arm. Velocity and an NFL arm are not the same thing. Ryan Mallet had a rifle, Ryan Mallet didn’t have an NFL arm.
Can you describe what an NFL Arm is? I am asking seriously because I associate the term ‘nfl arm’ with arm strength. My guess is that the term NFL arm is also talking about touch and accuracy.
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For 16 tds that freshman year. In that win against Alabama he completed 50% of his passes for 1 td. Auburn won because they took two interceptions back for TDS.
He was a freshman 4 fucking years ago - it's entirely possible he's not the same QB now. Just sayin'....
He was just as bad his sophomore and junior years.
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For 16 tds that freshman year. In that win against Alabama he completed 50% of his passes for 1 td. Auburn won because they took two interceptions back for TDS.
He was a freshman 4 fucking years ago - it's entirely possible he's not the same QB now. Just sayin'....
He was just as bad his sophomore and junior years.
And he's now ranked #13 overall. Terrible!
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