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Costy16 : 11/25/2023 9:00 am
Some notable games today with playoff seeding implications.

Ohio State at Michigan 12PM
Kentucky at Louisville 12PM
Alabama at Auburn 3:30
Washington St at Washington 4:00
Florida State at Florida 7:00
Georgia at Georgia Tech 7:30
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#36 on Clemson has both a scoop and score and an INT in the  
markky : 11/25/2023 7:49 pm : link
first 60 seconds of the game. I think he's a freshman safety.
RE: RE: They just called FSU  
section125 : 11/25/2023 7:49 pm : link
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for a PF because a DB tackled the QB. Whoever called that penalty on that crew should be released on the spot.



Looked like the sideline official who came running in to call it


Umpire standing right there.

Norvelle is the worst 1st half coach in college football.
RE: #36 on Clemson has both a scoop and score and an INT in the  
markky : 11/25/2023 7:50 pm : link
In comment 16301203 markky said:
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first 60 seconds of the game. I think he's a freshman safety.


44 seconds.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Whoever is Auburn's DC has got to be fired  
RCPhoenix : 11/25/2023 7:54 pm : link
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Dumb fuck. Why would you have only one defender on the other end of the endzone? It was a fucking 50-50 jumpball.



What a dumb fuck. 2 man rush. How do you let that QB have all day to throw? Worst than ND having only 10 men on the field against OSU.
Simply the stupidest decision on college football history.



I seem to recall ND had a pass on the previous drive when Ohio State had no timeouts. The incomplete pass stopped the clock.



They had 1 timeout left. And that pass play was a perfect play call, 44 on OSU just made an incredible play. There's probably 2-3 players in all of CFB that make the play he did. If he doesn't make it that play is going for at worst a 20 yard gain and the games over and likely a touchdown and the games over. I was sitting on that sideline and the play was right in front of me. The result wasn't ideal, but I loved the call.


I just don’t like a pass play in that situation. Now I remember- it allowed Ohio State to call time out before that last play of the game, yes?

44 is a great player for Ohio State.
Keep chopping that wood Schiano!  
Bobby Humphrey's Earpad : 11/25/2023 7:55 pm : link
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RE: I have to say David Braun...  
RCPhoenix : 11/25/2023 7:55 pm : link
In comment 16301202 bw in dc said:
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of Northwestern should be COTY.

To get 7 wins out of that team under the circumstances as an interim HC is insanely impressive.


Agreed. But it helps that the Big Ten West is terrible.
Hartman WTF  
KevinBBWC : 11/25/2023 8:01 pm : link
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he wont come out  
bigbluewillrise : 11/25/2023 8:07 pm : link
but carson beck is my developmental 2nd/3rd round target.

hes amazing.
Just for the BBI audience...  
bw in dc : 11/25/2023 8:09 pm : link
here are Jayden Daniels' numbers for the year:

40 TDs/4 INTs, 72% comp%, 11+ YPA; 1,100+ yards rushing, 8.4 YPA, 10 TDs.

50 total TDs for the year.

Simply remarkable.
RE: he wont come out  
MookGiants : 11/25/2023 8:11 pm : link
In comment 16301216 bigbluewillrise said:
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but carson beck is my developmental 2nd/3rd round target.

hes amazing.


He's unlikely to come out but if he does he wont make it out of the first round.

Very good chance to go #1 overall if he stays though
RE: Just for the BBI audience...  
markky : 11/25/2023 8:13 pm : link
In comment 16301219 bw in dc said:
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here are Jayden Daniels' numbers for the year:

40 TDs/4 INTs, 72% comp%, 11+ YPA; 1,100+ yards rushing, 8.4 YPA, 10 TDs.

50 total TDs for the year.

Simply remarkable.


an inch shorter but 10 pounds lighter than daniel jones. pass. /s
RE: Just for the BBI audience...  
Go Terps : 11/25/2023 8:16 pm : link
In comment 16301219 bw in dc said:
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here are Jayden Daniels' numbers for the year:

40 TDs/4 INTs, 72% comp%, 11+ YPA; 1,100+ yards rushing, 8.4 YPA, 10 TDs.

50 total TDs for the year.

Simply remarkable.


I remember making the point that Lamar Jackson has more college production passing and rushing than Daniel Jones and Saquon Barkley combined. Daniels has a similar resume. Watching him outrun angles against SEC defenders AND being an incredibly productive passer...at this point I think he's the #1 pick overall. Or at least should be.
RE: RE: Just for the BBI audience...  
English Alaister : 11/25/2023 8:27 pm : link
In comment 16301227 Go Terps said:
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here are Jayden Daniels' numbers for the year:

40 TDs/4 INTs, 72% comp%, 11+ YPA; 1,100+ yards rushing, 8.4 YPA, 10 TDs.

50 total TDs for the year.

Simply remarkable.



I remember making the point that Lamar Jackson has more college production passing and rushing than Daniel Jones and Saquon Barkley combined. Daniels has a similar resume. Watching him outrun angles against SEC defenders AND being an incredibly productive passer...at this point I think he's the #1 pick overall. Or at least should be.


FWIW, I think you're right on this one.
Sam Hartman is doing something stupid every time he throws the ball.  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 11/25/2023 8:28 pm : link
I’m tired of him.
RE: Sam Hartman is doing something stupid every time he throws the ball.  
KevinBBWC : 11/25/2023 8:34 pm : link
In comment 16301233 shockeyisthebest8056 said:
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I’m tired of him.


At this point let's get Angeli more experience.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: I still think Williams is the top QB prospect  
jinkies : 11/25/2023 8:51 pm : link
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But I’d put Daniels a clear second.



The lead up to the draft is a funny and real thing. Williams will be dissected mentally and physically. Only knock on Daniels is his slender frame but everyone knows that is addressed by a nfl weight and strength program. Will add 10-15 pounds easily.

Something to think about…look at what Jackson is doing for Baltimore this year. Daniels is a much better passer at this stage and his release time is off the charts. Daniels has a legit chance to go #1. Remember, it only takes one team to be smitten with him….



I'll take Daniels. More accurate, better arm. More explosive and dynamic. Makes reads through all progressions. Never looks rattled. My bet is he will weigh 220 by the combine and be QB 1. 4 TD passes against that defense is impressive. Better than anything Williams or Maye has done. He'll be gone when the Giants pick.



Daniels doesn't have a better arm than Williams. That's absurd. Williams has established he can throw with incredible accuracy and power on the run, from different arm angles, into tight windows. Williams has the best overall arm talent in the class.



I agree with you that William has a better arm talent than Daniels; however, I really question Williams’ antics. He acts like a child. If the Giants are going to consider him as their pick, they’re going to have to get into his head to see if he can handle the New York media. As of now, I’m not convinced he can take the heat.



You are going to be very surprised Re what scouts and teams think of Daniels arm talent compared to Williams leading up to the draft. Daniels has a cannon and his release is the best I have seen in awhile. Word is getting out on Daniels arm and more specifically his lightning release. Even Sy has indicated there is a lot more to Daniels that will come out leading to the draft as his arrow is pointed north in a big way.


I don't doubt Daniels has a very good arm and will rise on boards. But Williams' best trait relates to his arm, ability to move, keep eyes downfield, and throw into tight windows on the run. It's potential Mahomes/Rodgers stuff.
Why didn’t GT call timeout  
JT039 : 11/25/2023 8:54 pm : link
After first down? Wasted 35 seconds.

RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: I still think Williams is the top QB prospect  
NJBlueTuna : 11/25/2023 9:09 pm : link
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But I’d put Daniels a clear second.



The lead up to the draft is a funny and real thing. Williams will be dissected mentally and physically. Only knock on Daniels is his slender frame but everyone knows that is addressed by a nfl weight and strength program. Will add 10-15 pounds easily.

Something to think about…look at what Jackson is doing for Baltimore this year. Daniels is a much better passer at this stage and his release time is off the charts. Daniels has a legit chance to go #1. Remember, it only takes one team to be smitten with him….



I'll take Daniels. More accurate, better arm. More explosive and dynamic. Makes reads through all progressions. Never looks rattled. My bet is he will weigh 220 by the combine and be QB 1. 4 TD passes against that defense is impressive. Better than anything Williams or Maye has done. He'll be gone when the Giants pick.



Daniels doesn't have a better arm than Williams. That's absurd. Williams has established he can throw with incredible accuracy and power on the run, from different arm angles, into tight windows. Williams has the best overall arm talent in the class.



I agree with you that William has a better arm talent than Daniels; however, I really question Williams’ antics. He acts like a child. If the Giants are going to consider him as their pick, they’re going to have to get into his head to see if he can handle the New York media. As of now, I’m not convinced he can take the heat.



You are going to be very surprised Re what scouts and teams think of Daniels arm talent compared to Williams leading up to the draft. Daniels has a cannon and his release is the best I have seen in awhile. Word is getting out on Daniels arm and more specifically his lightning release. Even Sy has indicated there is a lot more to Daniels that will come out leading to the draft as his arrow is pointed north in a big way.



I don't doubt Daniels has a very good arm and will rise on boards. But Williams' best trait relates to his arm, ability to move, keep eyes downfield, and throw into tight windows on the run. It's potential Mahomes/Rodgers stuff.


I’m sorry. You lost me when you compared Williams to Mahomes and Rodgers. You realize Williams did NOT elevate the USC team, besides the absurdity of comparing his arm talent to 2 of the best QBs to ever play the game? Are you part of his family or entourage?
Take Estime out of the game  
KevinBBWC : 11/25/2023 9:10 pm : link
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Sign me up for  
ajr2456 : 11/25/2023 9:12 pm : link
Benson
Pearsall  
MookGiants : 11/25/2023 9:20 pm : link
will be interesting to see how he fares in the NFL. He's sneaky good
Drake Maye passing like crap but has run for 102 yards  
shyster : 11/25/2023 10:18 pm : link
in the 3Q.

Funny.
Zak Zinter  
JT039 : 11/25/2023 10:20 pm : link
Who had the gruesome leg injury today broke both fibula and tibula. Both guards for Michigan are decent prospects expected to be drafted from round 2-4.

Feel bad for the kid. Some say he is gonna be an all-American.
RE: Drake Maye passing like crap but has run for 102 yards  
speedywheels : 11/25/2023 10:33 pm : link
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in the 3Q.

Funny.


He’s got double rushing yards vs passing yards. That’s not good
ACC REFS  
ripdumaine : 11/25/2023 10:39 pm : link
Tried to derail FSU......go Noles
last pac 12 game ever  
bigbluewillrise : 11/25/2023 10:39 pm : link
what a shame they couldnt figure it out.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: I still think Williams is the top QB prospect  
jinkies : 11/25/2023 10:42 pm : link
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I don't doubt Daniels has a very good arm and will rise on boards. But Williams' best trait relates to his arm, ability to move, keep eyes downfield, and throw into tight windows on the run. It's potential Mahomes/Rodgers stuff.



I’m sorry. You lost me when you compared Williams to Mahomes and Rodgers. You realize Williams did NOT elevate the USC team, besides the absurdity of comparing his arm talent to 2 of the best QBs to ever play the game? Are you part of his family or entourage?


There is a reason Williams is consensus #1 and it's not because of his sunny personality. His game is reminiscent of those two. That's why people are excited. You say he didn't elevate USC? Well Mahomes didn't elevate Texas Tech. Daniels looks like he has a nice strong arm, he isn't in Williams' class right now.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: I still think Williams is the top QB prospect  
allstarjim : 11/25/2023 10:50 pm : link
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I don't doubt Daniels has a very good arm and will rise on boards. But Williams' best trait relates to his arm, ability to move, keep eyes downfield, and throw into tight windows on the run. It's potential Mahomes/Rodgers stuff.



I’m sorry. You lost me when you compared Williams to Mahomes and Rodgers. You realize Williams did NOT elevate the USC team, besides the absurdity of comparing his arm talent to 2 of the best QBs to ever play the game? Are you part of his family or entourage?



There is a reason Williams is consensus #1 and it's not because of his sunny personality. His game is reminiscent of those two. That's why people are excited. You say he didn't elevate USC? Well Mahomes didn't elevate Texas Tech. Daniels looks like he has a nice strong arm, he isn't in Williams' class right now.


LOL at "not in his class."
Uh oh, Drake Maye is injured  
Anakim : 11/25/2023 11:15 pm : link
Ankle?
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: I still think Williams is the top QB prospect  
MookGiants : 11/25/2023 11:21 pm : link
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I don't doubt Daniels has a very good arm and will rise on boards. But Williams' best trait relates to his arm, ability to move, keep eyes downfield, and throw into tight windows on the run. It's potential Mahomes/Rodgers stuff.



I’m sorry. You lost me when you compared Williams to Mahomes and Rodgers. You realize Williams did NOT elevate the USC team, besides the absurdity of comparing his arm talent to 2 of the best QBs to ever play the game? Are you part of his family or entourage?



There is a reason Williams is consensus #1 and it's not because of his sunny personality. His game is reminiscent of those two. That's why people are excited. You say he didn't elevate USC? Well Mahomes didn't elevate Texas Tech. Daniels looks like he has a nice strong arm, he isn't in Williams' class right now.


Consensus #1? I've seen many people in the last couple months talk about Maye being rated higher and now seeing people say the same about Daniels. I love all 3 as prospects personally. But Williams is not a consensus #1. He may have been thought of that way last may, but he isn't now. Daniels is going to kill it at the combine and put himself in the #1 pick discussion. There's no "consensus" right now. You're working with old info. Months old.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: I still think Williams is the top QB prospect  
k2tampa : 11/25/2023 11:23 pm : link
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I don't doubt Daniels has a very good arm and will rise on boards. But Williams' best trait relates to his arm, ability to move, keep eyes downfield, and throw into tight windows on the run. It's potential Mahomes/Rodgers stuff.



I’m sorry. You lost me when you compared Williams to Mahomes and Rodgers. You realize Williams did NOT elevate the USC team, besides the absurdity of comparing his arm talent to 2 of the best QBs to ever play the game? Are you part of his family or entourage?



There is a reason Williams is consensus #1 and it's not because of his sunny personality. His game is reminiscent of those two. That's why people are excited. You say he didn't elevate USC? Well Mahomes didn't elevate Texas Tech. Daniels looks like he has a nice strong arm, he isn't in Williams' class right now.


Consensus No. 1 by whom? Draft pundits? Neither you nor I know what NFL scouts think of Williams and Daniels, or the other QBs. Williams is the 'consensus number one' because he won the Heisman last year. You use words like potential and reminiscent. How many times have we heard 'he's the next LT'?

Daniels has had one game below 63 percent completions - and that was 59.5 in the first game of the year against a good FSU team. Williams has had 4 games below 63, including 56, 56 and 57.

And then there is the fact one has run for more than 1100 yards and the other for 140.

If you want to say Williams has Mahomes like traits, well Daniels is a taller, faster, more accurate Lamar Jackson who might actually get through progressions better than Lamar.

But this is all talk. Just like with election polls there is only one draft guide that matters - the one that gets written on April 25th.
RE: Uh oh, Drake Maye is injured  
Anakim : 11/25/2023 11:24 pm : link
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He's coming back in. Why? IDK. The game is lost. But it appears Maye is okay.
I'm also leaning towards Jayden Daniels as QB1  
Anakim : 11/25/2023 11:57 pm : link
Caleb Williams against ranked teams: 4-9 (.308)

Drake Maye against ranked teams: 1-3 (.250)




I will say that USC's O-Line is terrible and UNC's offense sucks balls as well
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: I still think Williams is the top QB prospect  
NJBlueTuna : 11/26/2023 12:14 am : link
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I don't doubt Daniels has a very good arm and will rise on boards. But Williams' best trait relates to his arm, ability to move, keep eyes downfield, and throw into tight windows on the run. It's potential Mahomes/Rodgers stuff.



I’m sorry. You lost me when you compared Williams to Mahomes and Rodgers. You realize Williams did NOT elevate the USC team, besides the absurdity of comparing his arm talent to 2 of the best QBs to ever play the game? Are you part of his family or entourage?



There is a reason Williams is consensus #1 and it's not because of his sunny personality. His game is reminiscent of those two. That's why people are excited. You say he didn't elevate USC? Well Mahomes didn't elevate Texas Tech. Daniels looks like he has a nice strong arm, he isn't in Williams' class right now.


You provide zero analysis, just your conclusions based upon non quoted sources. Hard pass, we disagree.
Will be interesting  
NJBlueTuna : 11/26/2023 12:19 am : link
To see if either Williams Daniels or Maye play in any bowl games their team is eligible for. I think they’re done until the draft.
RE: Doak Walker Award non finalist Estime takes it to the house.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 11/26/2023 7:09 am : link
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All 17 Stanford fans at the game are very disappointed


Estime not being a Doak Award finalist is a complete joke.
Daniels should absolutely be in the conversation for #1  
RCPhoenix : 11/26/2023 7:52 am : link
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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 11/26/2023 7:58 am : link
I'm looking forward to Iowa Michigan like I'm looking forward to a hole in my head.

I am interested in UGA 'Bama.
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Spider56 : 11/26/2023 8:19 am : link
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I'm looking forward to Iowa Michigan like I'm looking forward to a hole in my head.

I am interested in UGA 'Bama.


Oregon / Washington on Friday should be the best of the conf championship games, with Oklahoma St / Texas as a maybe. Georgia and Michigan should win easily. The wild card is Louisville / FSU. Hopefully Louisville will bounce back after yesterday and take the Noles out of the final 4 discussion.
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RCPhoenix : 11/26/2023 8:39 am : link
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I'm looking forward to Iowa Michigan like I'm looking forward to a hole in my head.

I am interested in UGA 'Bama.



Oregon / Washington on Friday should be the best of the conf championship games, with Oklahoma St / Texas as a maybe. Georgia and Michigan should win easily. The wild card is Louisville / FSU. Hopefully Louisville will bounce back after yesterday and take the Noles out of the final 4 discussion.


I’m not so sure Georgia wins easily.

If Michigan can score more than two TDs and not turn over the ball they will win without difficulty. The only time Iowa played a decent Big Ten
Team this year in Penn State they were smoked.
Oregon a  
ajr2456 : 11/26/2023 8:50 am : link
9 point favorite against Washington
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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 11/26/2023 8:54 am : link
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Seems high IMO.
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shockeyisthebest8056 : 11/26/2023 9:11 am : link
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Seems high IMO.


Not really. Oregon is playing well. Washington has needed miracles against teams that aren’t particularly good. The same Stanford team you watched yesterday had the ball down two late in the fourth quarter against the Huskies. They needed a game ending FG against the Cougs. They looked terrible against Arizona State.
Well I wonder what the Committee  
section125 : 11/26/2023 9:21 am : link
will do this week to try and drop FSU from the playoffs again.
Rankings this week should be:  
RCPhoenix : 11/26/2023 9:23 am : link
1. Georgia
2. Michigan
3. Washington
4. Florida State
shockey  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 11/26/2023 9:27 am : link
I didn’t watch a second of ND Stanford. I couldn’t find the network. I followed on phone.
RE: Well I wonder what the Committee  
BigBlueShock : 11/26/2023 9:31 am : link
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will do this week to try and drop FSU from the playoffs again.

To be fair, FSU didn’t look remotely close to a top 4 team yesterday. Sure they squeaked out a win against a bad Florida team but it certainly wasn’t pretty. They should still be ranked 4 based on being undefeated and I fully expect them to be. But losing their QB has really hurt their chances to win a game in the playoffs. Without Travis, I’m not sure anyone outside of FSU fans have much of an appetite to watch them get curbstomped by Georgia in the playoffs. I was really rooting for them to get in when Travis was playing but, they stood a punchers chance, imo. Not so much now
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section125 : 11/26/2023 9:46 am : link
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will do this week to try and drop FSU from the playoffs again.


To be fair, FSU didn’t look remotely close to a top 4 team yesterday. Sure they squeaked out a win against a bad Florida team but it certainly wasn’t pretty. They should still be ranked 4 based on being undefeated and I fully expect them to be. But losing their QB has really hurt their chances to win a game in the playoffs. Without Travis, I’m not sure anyone outside of FSU fans have much of an appetite to watch them get curbstomped by Georgia in the playoffs. I was really rooting for them to get in when Travis was playing but, they stood a punchers chance, imo. Not so much now


FWIW, Washington barely beat Wash St and they had their starting QB. Remember Florida's record is identical to Wash St and SEC football is far better tha PAC-12. And Georgia squeaked out a win vs Georgia Tech. Down here UM, UF and FSU playing each other is death sport. (Probably like most rivalry games.) If UF was 2-8 and beat FSU it would be virtually a successful season.

FSU's defense will keep them in any game. UFs 1st TD was a gimmee from the refs calling a PF on a simple tackle play. Norvelle was way to cautious with the QB. I think his 1st half offense decisions have been awful all year. Not sure why he is so conservative to start games.

Georgia isn't really Georgia this year, but very few teams would beat Georgia.

Michigan probably wipes the floor with Washington.
Michigan lays the wood on defense plus Harbaugh returns  
Rick in Dallas : 11/26/2023 10:15 am : link
Should be a easy win over Iowa.
Intrigued by Georgia vs Bama as Georgia defense not as strong as previous 2 years.
Oregon should handle Huskies who are not playing that well. Penix has struggled a bit.
If Ewers is on Texas should beat OSU.
I have no idea about FSU vs Louisville. I do know I want the Giants to draft Benson to replace Barkley.
RE: Well I wonder what the Committee  
ajr2456 : 11/26/2023 10:17 am : link
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will do this week to try and drop FSU from the playoffs again.


Everyone from ESPN trying to make the case for it. I keep seeing people say “we can’t have another TCU”, while ignoring that TCU dominated their semi final
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