Let me start by saying I have worry about Jones's play, independent of his health.
But from what I've read it seems like Jones had a very routine ACL tear and was fully recovered from his neck strain.
I get Jones has been banged up, but is he anymore banged up than say Burrow?
I guess I'm surprised to read so much fan sentiment that the Giants will inevitably draft his replacement after this latest injury.
Am I missing something?
its not just one neck injury, its teh 2nd.
multiple concussions.
collarbone injury in duke.
i dont think he was recovered from teh neck the raider game the arm strength was bad.
https://www.draftsharks.com/fantasy/injury-history/daniel-jones/10225
ACL is less of a worry because while he's mobile, he is a straight line speed guy rather than agile like Kyler Murray.
If say Lamar Jackson tore his ACL this weekend, would Baltimore fold it up and inevitably replace him?
https://www.draftsharks.com/fantasy/injury-history/daniel-jones/10225
You can say the same thing about Burrow, though, no? And he's clearly not waking the plank.
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Two separate neck injuries took him out for a considerable amount of time and they're the type of injuries that end careers.
If say Lamar Jackson tore his ACL this weekend, would Baltimore fold it up and inevitably replace him?
You’re one of my favorite posters and we have been in lock step in regards to needing to move on from Jones but I have to say, your recent posts that repeated on this topic are bizarre. We all know you want to move on from Jones so we also know that these posts about Jones’ injuries not being long term have absolutely nothing to do with it being you promoting Jones as the future QB. So what’s the purpose of these posts and threads?
I’m guessing (with a very high probability of being right) that you’ve recently decided that it would be clever to root out the Jones fans that say they believe in Jones but suddenly have decided it may be time to move on because of the injuries. It’s their escape hatch without having to admit his subpar play.
Come on christian. You have too much time on your hands. You’re better than these lame ass attempts at “gotcha” moments…
Cool. What do you think about Jones's current health?
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https://www.draftsharks.com/fantasy/injury-history/daniel-jones/10225
You can say the same thing about Burrow, though, no? And he's clearly not waking the plank. Link - ( New Window )
burrow is not a running qb, and you are comparing burrow to jones.
burrow has no concussions and neck injuries.
if jones has accomplished half of what burrow did, the entire fanbase would not be wanting to move off of him.
HUGE difference.
You're now comparing why a team would wait on Burrow and Jackson with Jones??!!!
If you want to talk injuries, Jones has only played ONE season where he did not miss multiple games. In other words, he's the anti-Eli Manning. He's always hurt.
Beyond that, yeah, two neck injuries, one that ended his 2021 season, is a huge red flag.
Beyond that, he's only effective when running, which leads to more injuries (see Robert Griffin).
Beyond that, let's say he wasn't hurt at all. He's not good. He's allergic to TD passes.
Multiple neck injuries.
I've actually come around to believe Jones will be the presumptive starter and the Giants won't pick a QB on round one.
I think when the dust settles Jones's health won't be a big factor.
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Come on christian. You have too much time on your hands. You’re better than these lame ass attempts at “gotcha” moments…
I've actually come around to believe Jones will be the presumptive starter and the Giants won't pick a QB on round one.
I think when the dust settles Jones's health won't be a big factor.
If that happens, my prediction is Jones is on IR by November and the season is over by Halloween again.
I said it the day he got hurt: an ACL injury isn't enough to back off your franchise QB in year 1 of his deal.
It is, however, a convenient way to reverse course.
I think when the dust settles Jones's health won't be a big factor.
If that happens, my prediction is Jones is on IR by November and the season is over by Halloween again.
If Jones is recovering nicely in the Spring and ahead of his rehab schedule, would you be surprised if the Giants selected an offensive lineman in the first round?
Multiple neck injuries.
This. Simple.
Except, Jones may not be cleared for contact until around the season starts. Will he be able to throw in OTAs, mini-camps, training camp?
We've seen how Jones plays when he practices. A completely rusty Jones would be a joy.
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I've actually come around to believe Jones will be the presumptive starter and the Giants won't pick a QB on round one.
I think when the dust settles Jones's health won't be a big factor.
If that happens, my prediction is Jones is on IR by November and the season is over by Halloween again.
If Jones is recovering nicely in the Spring and ahead of his rehab schedule, would you be surprised if the Giants selected an offensive lineman in the first round?
Yes, I would be shocked if they took an OL in the first round.
If they go with Jones, I may take a break from the Giants for a few years.
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https://www.draftsharks.com/fantasy/injury-history/daniel-jones/10225
You can say the same thing about Burrow, though, no? And he's clearly not waking the plank. Link - ( New Window )
burrow is not a running qb, and you are comparing burrow to jones.
burrow has no concussions and neck injuries.
if jones has accomplished half of what burrow did, the entire fanbase would not be wanting to move off of him.
HUGE difference.
The fan base wants to move on from him, the majority. It also seems the responsible thing would be to draft a quarterback.
But of course circumstances will determine that possibility as much as anything.
Point being, while fans have moved on, factoring in all possibilities, Jones might have a better than 50% chance of being the starter next season.
* will he be physically ready
* will they finished with a draft pick to get the guy
* if they draft a qb, will they want him to sit behind Daniel for a bit( if they determine Jones gives them best chance to have a winning season, I doubt they want to go with a rook who is not ready, especially after this season)
If you gave Schoen and Daboll truth serum they might be thanking the gods for the ACL injury.
This contract might set a record for shortest period of time before regret kicked in.
1) Completely separate from his play, has Jones suffered an injury they feel materially diminishes his long term ability? Maybe it's the neck? I doubt it's the ACL.
2) The Giants objectively (as measured in the grading and counting stats) had the worst offensive line in the NFL in Jones's games.
Did Schoen see enough through that, to shock his system into giving up on a quarterback he rewarded with the largest contract and the most guaranteed money in the history of the organization?
I think too many fans presume these are easy, and inevitable decisions.
1) Completely separate from his play, has Jones suffered an injury they feel materially diminishes his long term ability? Maybe it's the neck? I doubt it's the ACL.
2) The Giants objectively (as measured in the grading and counting stats) had the worst offensive line in the NFL in Jones's games.
Did Schoen see enough through that, to shock his system into giving up on a quarterback he rewarded with the largest contract and the most guaranteed money in the history of the organization?
I think too many fans presume these are easy, and inevitable decisions.
i think we can all agree the OL was bad.
but that doesnt mean you dismiss 100% of what happened on the field.
taylor/devito looked better with relatively the same supporting cast and coaching. you have to examine that.
it wasnt that daniel jones didnt look great or top 10-15 QB, he was awful.
The narrative continues. Tyros didn't get hurt bc of the OL.
He got hurt on a tackle by the sideline, well outside the pocket.
There's also a lot of revisionist history in this thread. Many who are bringing up college injuries and his neck injury from two years ago were all in on Jones only a few months ago.
This disaster of a season, in which Jones has barely played, shouldn't have altered opinions this much IMO.
This.
i think we can all agree the OL was bad.
but that doesnt mean you dismiss 100% of what happened on the field.
taylor/devito looked better with relatively the same supporting cast and coaching. you have to examine that.
it wasnt that daniel jones didnt look great or top 10-15 QB, he was awful.
Be that as it may, do you think it's enough for Schoen to look his boss in the eye and say I gave Jones $82M of your money less than a year ago, and I was fabulously wrong?
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Come on christian. You have too much time on your hands. You’re better than these lame ass attempts at “gotcha” moments…
I've actually come around to believe Jones will be the presumptive starter and the Giants won't pick a QB on round one.
I think when the dust settles Jones's health won't be a big factor.
That's fine. And I think that's a very distinct possibility.
While I think it would be a horrible decision, especially if we have a chance at a top three QB, I could easily hear Schoen saying nothing has changed since they invested in Jones back in March. He's their guy once healthy.
But bringing in Burrow as a refence is strange. Burrow is great and on a path to Canton. When he's on the field he's one of the three best QBs on the planet. When Jones is on the field, I'm not sure right now if he's the best QB on the team...
If a disc in your spine slips out from where it should be between the vertebrae, it is easier for it to happen again.
I also know this from personal experience and consults with doctors.
Big picture, he's missed a lot of games in his career, and if he doesn't run, you take away the most effective part of his game. When he runs, his instincts don't seem to be to protect himself often enough...he'll lower a shoulder to try to get the extra yard or two, and while in a football sense you love that, you'd rather your QB not take big hits.
That's fine. And I think that's a very distinct possibility.
While I think it would be a horrible decision, especially if we have a chance at a top three QB, I could easily hear Schoen saying nothing has changed since they invested in Jones back in March. He's their guy once healthy.
But bringing in Burrow as a refence is strange. Burrow is great and on a path to Canton. When he's on the field he's one of the three best QBs on the planet. When Jones is on the field, I'm not sure right now if he's the best QB on the team...
That's my point. You don't give up on talent over an ACL. So the talk of replacing him over the knee is disingenuous.
If the Giants give up on him, it's a talent, not health issue.
they tried to go to a pass first offense adn even when factoring the OL in, he failed at taking the next step.
can he run a run first offense with quick game and short passing game? sure.
can he beat up on ed donattel type defense and Indy type defenses last year? sure.
can he beat top 10 defenses with those type of gameplans? no chance.
everyone saying nothing changed is delusional. yes the OL was bad, but we learnt a significant amount.
OLs ruining QBs is an unsubstantiated myth.
FFS.
Stop with all the had-wringing over the line.
Much of the problems with the line have been related to injury.
It was Josh Ezeudu, playing LT for an injured Andrew Thomas, that led to the hit and first Jones' injury this year (the neck).
Further, there is relative youth on the line in JMS and Neal, who certainly can and likely will get better. Neal was showing improvement prior to his latest injury
Finally and most importantly, "this offensive line" isn't necessarily next year's OL. The biggest problem on the line this year is the OG play (when Thomas has been active). The Giants can address this in free agency. They can add quality depth in free agency and the draft
The line this year will be different next year, and that would be true even if we were talking about the same players.
QB is the most important position WRT wins and losses. You can't be afraid to make a pick bc of last year's personnel, that's absurd.
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I've actually come around to believe Jones will be the presumptive starter and the Giants won't pick a QB on round one.
I think when the dust settles Jones's health won't be a big factor.
If that happens, my prediction is Jones is on IR by November and the season is over by Halloween again.
If Jones is recovering nicely in the Spring and ahead of his rehab schedule, would you be surprised if the Giants selected an offensive lineman in the first round?
Yes, I would be shocked if they took an OL in the first round.
If they go with Jones, I may take a break from the Giants for a few years.
Same
I can't believe you ask what's the worry with Jones' health when he's been injured almost every year, btw. The biggest predictor of injuries in sports is previous injuries.
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Is that there is no such thing as a can't miss quarterback prospect, and our line is bad enough to ruin anyone who dreams of throwing the ball down the field with regularity.
OLs ruining QBs is an unsubstantiated myth.
Lmfao. No it isn't.
What I want to happen is typically very different than what I think will happen.
I can't believe you ask what's the worry with Jones' health when he's been injured almost every year, btw. The biggest predictor of injuries in sports is previous injuries.
His neck wasn't serious enough to IR him this year, and an ACL certainly isn't enough to move on from him.
Same question I posed above, do you think the Ravens or Bengals would use a first round pick if their quarterbacks had the same injuries Jones has?
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Is that there is no such thing as a can't miss quarterback prospect, and our line is bad enough to ruin anyone who dreams of throwing the ball down the field with regularity.
FFS.
Stop with all the had-wringing over the line.
Much of the problems with the line have been related to injury.
It was Josh Ezeudu, playing LT for an injured Andrew Thomas, that led to the hit and first Jones' injury this year (the neck).
Further, there is relative youth on the line in JMS and Neal, who certainly can and likely will get better. Neal was showing improvement prior to his latest injury
Finally and most importantly, "this offensive line" isn't necessarily next year's OL. The biggest problem on the line this year is the OG play (when Thomas has been active). The Giants can address this in free agency. They can add quality depth in free agency and the draft
The line this year will be different next year, and that would be true even if we were talking about the same players.
QB is the most important position WRT wins and losses. You can't be afraid to make a pick bc of last year's personnel, that's absurd.
It's a very valid concern. You can say it is based on injury. However, every team deals with injuries. It is way deeper than that. Depth was/is a problem just as our starters are a problem. Neal not developing is a huge issue. Our guard have played musical chairs all year both due to injury and due to performance. If you don't think the OL is a factor in how a young QB develops then I don't know what to tell you. No, it doesn't mean we shouldn't pull the trigger on a QB in the draft but the OL needs to be fixed. Does anyone have confidence that that management or the coaching staff can fix the issue? I don't. They've shown nothing to earn our trust.