Bet he does. Daboll isn't above some gamesmanship with his best player vs. the Pats. Not doubting he hurt the hammy but I'd be surprised if it held him out.
Will be interesting to see how full the stadium is...
I also am intrigued with how Devito plays verse Jones. If Devito continues to play well it certainly says a lot about the play of Jones, and not in a good way. At least this clarifies what to do with Jones long term.
I also am intrigued with how Devito plays verse Jones. If Devito continues to play well it certainly says a lot about the play of Jones, and not in a good way. At least this clarifies what to do with Jones long term.
It would be nice if he muddles things up at QB. Thing is, it's your response after the league has eight games of video that's key.
Rookie QBs are 6-24 against the Patriots under Belichick
Ben Roethlisberger (2004), Mark Sanchez (2009), Colt McCoy (2010), Russell Wilson (2012), Geno Smith (2013), and Tua Tagovailoa (2020) defeated the Patriots in their rookie seasons. Giant great Colt McCoy was the lowest drafted of the group (Pick 85).
I don’t think they’d play Dex if he hasn’t practiced
all week. They’ve made stupider decisions this year, but that’s one that I think they make right, by not playing him. Run D was bad last week with him and will be just as bad without him this week. If no Dex, you might see more McFadden blitzing up the gut, as there will be no push in the center of the line to get to the QB. Ojulari also needs to show up and help KT or it’s going to be another long game. Lastly, I think the Pats will run the ball down our throats, at least they’re going to try. That’ll also take the heat off their QB. That said, I think the stadium will be fairly empty today and that it’ll be another close game decided by a FG.
Do we have a legitimate back-up who can start the beginning of next season or fodder when new, exciting QB's are available in the draft and Jones comes back.
So far I have been impressed with his moxie and guts. I hope he excels! So for that...today's game will be interesting to watch.
Rookie QBs are 6-24 against the Patriots under Belichick
Ben Roethlisberger (2004), Mark Sanchez (2009), Colt McCoy (2010), Russell Wilson (2012), Geno Smith (2013), and Tua Tagovailoa (2020) defeated the Patriots in their rookie seasons. Giant great Colt McCoy was the lowest drafted of the group (Pick 85).
Yeah, it is true how smart BB is. But this is not that Patriots team. Their QB situation is as bad as the Giants, so they will not be piling up points. It should remain close even with Dex out.
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When the Giants waived Tommy DeVito at final cuts in August, the Patriots wanted to sign him to the practice squad.
DeVito decided to stay home with NYG, but he gave New England's offer a lot of thought. Went with his gut, and now he's here. The pride of Cedar Grove easily could've been there
• The Tommy DeVito story has been fun. We're going to find out today if it's real. The Patriots' defense isn't very good, particularly against the pass, but this is still a Belichick-led defense coming of a bye against a rookie QB.
Rookie QBs are 6-24 with 25 TDs and 44 INTs against Belichick's defenses in New England. Daniel Jones went 15-for-31 for 161 yards, 1 TD and 3 INT in a 35-14 loss to the Patriots as a rookie in 2019.
Daboll has gone against his former boss with a rookie QB twice as an OC. Josh Allen went 20-for-41 for 217 yards, 1 TD and 2 INT in a 24-12 loss with the Bills in 2019. Colt McCoy went 14-for-19 for 174 yards, 0 TD and 0 INT in a 34-14 win in 2010 (29 carries, 184 yards and 2 TDs from Peyton Hillis went a long way in that one).
• Giants only dressing two tight ends is curious when you'd expect a run-heavy game plan. Then again, Pats' run defense is solid and they'll surely be focused on Saquon (like every opponent). He has 13 carries for -1 yards in the first halves of the past two games, demonstrating that focus from opponents. Giants weren't afraid to let DeVito sling it out of 11 personnel last week.
• Will be fun to watch Saquon match-up with Jabrill Peppers, who is having a really good season with the Patriots. Those two had some good practice battles when Peppers was with the Giants. Patriots got Peppers cheap after he tore his ACL in his final season with the Giants in 2021.
• Looking ahead to free agency: If you're in the move-Neal-to-guard camp, it's a pretty weak tackle class. Keep an eye on Patriots RT Michael Onwenu, who could be the best option on the market.
• Not expecting Dexter Lawrence to play. That leaves a big void in the defense — literally and figuratively. He hasn't missed a game due to injury in five seasons, which is another impressive feat for the 340-pounder. Will be interesting to see how much Lawrence's absence impacts Thibodeaux.
• Wink feasts on bad QBs/offense. I present you Mac Jones and the Patriots' 31st-ranked scoring offense (just .6 ppg more than the Giants!). Not expecting six takeaways again, but have to figure this should be another strong defensive showing.
• Prediction: Patriots 13, Giants 10. I just can't pick an undrafted rookie QB against a Belichick defense.
With the long Thksgiv wknd and all the college and NFL games already played, I literally woke up this morning and forgot the Giants were playing a game today. Not until I saw the NY Post sports section and I was like, oh…yeah. That’s never happened before. Not the best of times.
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#Giants WR Darius Slayton will be active today, source says. He was listed as doubtful with a neck injury but improved over the last day.
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#NYGiants DL Dexter Lawrence will be INACTIVE for today's game, per sources, as expected.
Lawrence has a hamstring injury. He was pushing with treatment to get back, but smart move is to give him this week and then bye to be ready for MNF vs. Packers.
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Darius Slayton becomes the first doubtful player to be active since Week 8 of the 2020 season per
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Joe Judge meeting up with John Mara and then his special teams coach Thomas McGaughey at midfield. Judge has to feel some serious emotions returning to MetLife.
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Big embrace near same spot for Joe Judge and Thomas McGaughey just now. McGaughey was STC under Judge.
Close for me becuase judge elevated hope then crashed. But Handley ran a successful team and ran it into the ground.
I get that argument, but I also think Parcells saw the writing on the wall with that team aging and he screwed the team with his late decision. Handley also did go 8-8 in one of his two seasons. Not defending Handley, but there were some bigger issues than just him.
Close for me becuase judge elevated hope then crashed. But Handley ran a successful team and ran it into the ground.
I get that argument, but I also think Parcells saw the writing on the wall with that team aging and he screwed the team with his late decision. Handley also did go 8-8 in one of his two seasons. Not defending Handley, but there were some bigger issues than just him.
agree, in the ebb and flow of the NFL, I thought that team was entering a tough phase and Parcells did screw us that year citing health reasons.
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Been a very busy Thanksgiving week for me, behind in Giants news. What happened to Lawerence
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Been a very busy Thanksgiving week for me, behind in Giants news. What happened to Lawerence
He injured his hammy last week. And of course it was on one of the very last plays of the game. The pick 6 at the very end…
What else is there to discuss?
Bet he does. Daboll isn't above some gamesmanship with his best player vs. the Pats. Not doubting he hurt the hammy but I'd be surprised if it held him out.
Which reminds me - look at the entire lineup of NFL games this weekend.
What a dog lineup of games. NFL is lucky they have fantasy.
I also am intrigued with how Devito plays verse Jones. If Devito continues to play well it certainly says a lot about the play of Jones, and not in a good way. At least this clarifies what to do with Jones long term.
I also am intrigued with how Devito plays verse Jones. If Devito continues to play well it certainly says a lot about the play of Jones, and not in a good way. At least this clarifies what to do with Jones long term.
It would be nice if he muddles things up at QB. Thing is, it's your response after the league has eight games of video that's key.
Ben Roethlisberger (2004), Mark Sanchez (2009), Colt McCoy (2010), Russell Wilson (2012), Geno Smith (2013), and Tua Tagovailoa (2020) defeated the Patriots in their rookie seasons. Giant great Colt McCoy was the lowest drafted of the group (Pick 85).
Welcome aboard VintageGiants!
So far I have been impressed with his moxie and guts. I hope he excels! So for that...today's game will be interesting to watch.
Ben Roethlisberger (2004), Mark Sanchez (2009), Colt McCoy (2010), Russell Wilson (2012), Geno Smith (2013), and Tua Tagovailoa (2020) defeated the Patriots in their rookie seasons. Giant great Colt McCoy was the lowest drafted of the group (Pick 85).
Yeah, it is true how smart BB is. But this is not that Patriots team. Their QB situation is as bad as the Giants, so they will not be piling up points. It should remain close even with Dex out.
@art_stapleton
When the Giants waived Tommy DeVito at final cuts in August, the Patriots wanted to sign him to the practice squad.
DeVito decided to stay home with NYG, but he gave New England's offer a lot of thought. Went with his gut, and now he's here. The pride of Cedar Grove easily could've been there
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Giants-Patriots pregame thoughts:
• The stakes are real for this one. According to
@SethWalder
, here's the chances to earn a top-two pick depending on today's result:
Patriots w/ win: 9%
Patriots w/ loss: 38%
Giants w/ win: 11%
Giants w/ loss: 47%
• The Tommy DeVito story has been fun. We're going to find out today if it's real. The Patriots' defense isn't very good, particularly against the pass, but this is still a Belichick-led defense coming of a bye against a rookie QB.
Rookie QBs are 6-24 with 25 TDs and 44 INTs against Belichick's defenses in New England. Daniel Jones went 15-for-31 for 161 yards, 1 TD and 3 INT in a 35-14 loss to the Patriots as a rookie in 2019.
Daboll has gone against his former boss with a rookie QB twice as an OC. Josh Allen went 20-for-41 for 217 yards, 1 TD and 2 INT in a 24-12 loss with the Bills in 2019. Colt McCoy went 14-for-19 for 174 yards, 0 TD and 0 INT in a 34-14 win in 2010 (29 carries, 184 yards and 2 TDs from Peyton Hillis went a long way in that one).
• Giants only dressing two tight ends is curious when you'd expect a run-heavy game plan. Then again, Pats' run defense is solid and they'll surely be focused on Saquon (like every opponent). He has 13 carries for -1 yards in the first halves of the past two games, demonstrating that focus from opponents. Giants weren't afraid to let DeVito sling it out of 11 personnel last week.
• Will be fun to watch Saquon match-up with Jabrill Peppers, who is having a really good season with the Patriots. Those two had some good practice battles when Peppers was with the Giants. Patriots got Peppers cheap after he tore his ACL in his final season with the Giants in 2021.
• Looking ahead to free agency: If you're in the move-Neal-to-guard camp, it's a pretty weak tackle class. Keep an eye on Patriots RT Michael Onwenu, who could be the best option on the market.
• Not expecting Dexter Lawrence to play. That leaves a big void in the defense — literally and figuratively. He hasn't missed a game due to injury in five seasons, which is another impressive feat for the 340-pounder. Will be interesting to see how much Lawrence's absence impacts Thibodeaux.
• Wink feasts on bad QBs/offense. I present you Mac Jones and the Patriots' 31st-ranked scoring offense (just .6 ppg more than the Giants!). Not expecting six takeaways again, but have to figure this should be another strong defensive showing.
• Prediction: Patriots 13, Giants 10. I just can't pick an undrafted rookie QB against a Belichick defense.
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#Giants WR Darius Slayton will be active today, source says. He was listed as doubtful with a neck injury but improved over the last day.
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#Giants DL Dexter Lawrence, doubtful with a hamstring injury, will not play.
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#NYGiants DL Dexter Lawrence will be INACTIVE for today's game, per sources, as expected.
Lawrence has a hamstring injury. He was pushing with treatment to get back, but smart move is to give him this week and then bye to be ready for MNF vs. Packers.
Big absence, obviously.
RB Jashaun Corbin
S Gervarrius Owens
OLB Boogie Basham
T Evan Neal
DL Dexter Lawrence
PATRIOTS INACTIVES
RB Jamycal Hasty
CB Alex Austin
T Vederian Lowe
WR Jalen Reagor
DE Sam Roberts
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Darius Slayton becomes the first doubtful player to be active since Week 8 of the 2020 season per
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. Basham a healthy scratch to make way for Benton Whitley, who was signed off the Vikings' practice squad this week
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Welcome aboard VintageGiants!
OMG are you guys going to use exclamation points on every sentence! jk, welcome aboard.
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Joe Judge meeting up with John Mara and then his special teams coach Thomas McGaughey at midfield. Judge has to feel some serious emotions returning to MetLife.
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Big embrace near same spot for Joe Judge and Thomas McGaughey just now. McGaughey was STC under Judge.
What else is there to discuss?
5 to 3 Giants win!
Close for me becuase judge elevated hope then crashed. But Handley ran a successful team and ran it into the ground.
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A hug between Joe Judge and Brian Daboll on the 25-yard line. #Giants #Patriots
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Close for me becuase judge elevated hope then crashed. But Handley ran a successful team and ran it into the ground.
I get that argument, but I also think Parcells saw the writing on the wall with that team aging and he screwed the team with his late decision. Handley also did go 8-8 in one of his two seasons. Not defending Handley, but there were some bigger issues than just him.
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I consider Judge a bigger disaster than Handley.
Close for me becuase judge elevated hope then crashed. But Handley ran a successful team and ran it into the ground.
I get that argument, but I also think Parcells saw the writing on the wall with that team aging and he screwed the team with his late decision. Handley also did go 8-8 in one of his two seasons. Not defending Handley, but there were some bigger issues than just him.
These last few years have lapped Handley and the '90s in general as a disaster.
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Loudest applause for #NYGiants offense: Tommy DeVito.
Saquon Barkley came out first, DeVito last. Video coming.
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QB Tommy DeVito gets some LOUD applause as #Giants announce offensive starters in his home starting debut
By 1993 the Giants won 11 and had a historically great defense.
Handley would be considered a good thing these days.