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Eric from BBI : Admin : 11/26/2023 8:18 am
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RE: RE: RE: Enough chatter about frigging draft picks!  
Essex : 11/26/2023 2:24 pm : link
In comment 16302033 HewlettGiant said:
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In comment 16302014 Fishmanjim57 said:


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The game is being play now! GO BIG BLUE!!!



Don’t tell us how to feel. I want to win meaningful games not this crap against a team that is ranking better than us



Winning culture is important.....they will get a good player whereever they draft.....Win football games


I feel so great about building a winning culture against a team literally tanking against us
RE: Adios any of the top 3 qbs  
Dang Man : 11/26/2023 2:24 pm : link
In comment 16301988 Knickstape said:
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Hello to 5-12 next year

Even if you had your choice of QBs do you think most rookie QBs have the ability to make the kind of impact that turns a 3 or 4 win team into a 9-10 win team? And that’s aside from the bust factor altogether.
screw draft position. let's win the game.  
markky : 11/26/2023 2:24 pm : link
it's about talent evaluation not draft position anyway. shitty teams draft at the top of the draft year after year and stay shitty. good teams pick up talent from any draft position.

let's prove we're not as shitty as we've looked all year.
That ball was out  
Peter from NH (formerly CT) : 11/26/2023 2:24 pm : link
Did the Pats recover it?
RE: RE: RE: Enough chatter about frigging draft picks!  
mphbullet36 : 11/26/2023 2:25 pm : link
In comment 16302033 HewlettGiant said:
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In comment 16302018 Essex said:


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In comment 16302014 Fishmanjim57 said:


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The game is being play now! GO BIG BLUE!!!



Don’t tell us how to feel. I want to win meaningful games not this crap against a team that is ranking better than us



Winning culture is important.....they will get a good player whereever they draft.....Win football games


there is no carrying over...you win with good players...simple as that.
Honestly I think BB's time as a HC has passed  
PatersonPlank : 11/26/2023 2:25 pm : link
His teams just haven't looked good, he has a .500 record over the past 3 seasons (actually it will be under .500 after this season).
I am an old guy  
Fishmanjim57 : 11/26/2023 2:25 pm : link
I'm a 66 year old lifetime NY Football Giants fan and I NEVER want to see my team tank. You younger fans have no idea how bad the G-men were in the 1970's, I know the team has been mismanaged for awhile in the last 10 years, but I never agree with the idea of tanking for a pick. That's not the Giants way of doing things.
RE: I am an old guy  
AcidTest : 11/26/2023 2:26 pm : link
In comment 16302041 Fishmanjim57 said:
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I'm a 66 year old lifetime NY Football Giants fan and I NEVER want to see my team tank. You younger fans have no idea how bad the G-men were in the 1970's, I know the team has been mismanaged for awhile in the last 10 years, but I never agree with the idea of tanking for a pick. That's not the Giants way of doing things.


Agreed.
For the 85th time  
Dave on the UWS : 11/26/2023 2:26 pm : link
the draft will take care of itself.
If they need a QB Schoen will figure it out
Pats are very smart to keep Mac Jones out there  
Metnut : 11/26/2023 2:26 pm : link
Shows Bellechick might still have it. They’ll get a shot at a franchise QB while Giants will end up with an OT project and another year of Dan Jones arguments on BBI.
Everyone bitching about draft position  
Sean : 11/26/2023 2:27 pm : link
The UDFA is the better QB than the 15th overall pick, Mac Jones. The Giants will have a chance to draft a QB. It's about who you pick, not where you pick.
RE: I am an old guy  
beechbouy : 11/26/2023 2:27 pm : link
In comment 16302041 Fishmanjim57 said:
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I'm a 66 year old lifetime NY Football Giants fan and I NEVER want to see my team tank. You younger fans have no idea how bad the G-men were in the 1970's, I know the team has been mismanaged for awhile in the last 10 years, but I never agree with the idea of tanking for a pick. That's not the Giants way of doing things.


+1
RE: I am an old guy  
markky : 11/26/2023 2:27 pm : link
In comment 16302041 Fishmanjim57 said:
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I'm a 66 year old lifetime NY Football Giants fan and I NEVER want to see my team tank. You younger fans have no idea how bad the G-men were in the 1970's, I know the team has been mismanaged for awhile in the last 10 years, but I never agree with the idea of tanking for a pick. That's not the Giants way of doing things.


Amen
RE: RE: .  
Essex : 11/26/2023 2:27 pm : link
In comment 16302032 Route 9 said:
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I don't get why Zappe hasn't been given a shot this year



Mac Jones still in the game should be the glowing neon sign that reads "We're tanking"


Not only is he in the game, he is literally passing every down. This is how you tank. Players can play hard but coaches don’t put players in positions to succeed. They don’t have to say anything, they just have to do it
RE: For the 85th time  
Toth029 : 11/26/2023 2:28 pm : link
In comment 16302043 Dave on the UWS said:
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the draft will take care of itself.
If they need a QB Schoen will figure it out


Most seem to think the QB's will all be taken in the first three picks. It's nonsense.

Giants own four picks in the top 100. If they want a guy, they'll get him.
Bredeson and Pugh are not as good as Glow  
bigbluewillrise : 11/26/2023 2:28 pm : link
he should be playing.
RE: Everyone bitching about draft position  
markky : 11/26/2023 2:28 pm : link
In comment 16302045 Sean said:
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The UDFA is the better QB than the 15th overall pick, Mac Jones. The Giants will have a chance to draft a QB. It's about who you pick, not where you pick.


exactly.
The winning helps the culture is so dumb.  
Knickstape : 11/26/2023 2:29 pm : link
1/2 the team is gonna be cleared out and removed. Not to mention that it’s winning against a bottom 3 team.


This team is not gonna be able to just trade up and take any qb they want. There are 10+ teams that need good qbs that you’ll be bidding against or there will be teams thwt won’t trade out because they neee to stay put and draft there new qb

If you don’t want to root for losses that’s fine. But when we are staring down the barrel of another awful season then don’t complain next year.
Essex  
Sean : 11/26/2023 2:29 pm : link
You are being ridiculous. The whining and pissing about winning 7-0 at home against a 2-8 team is brutal. The Giants are starting Tommy DeVito, what do you want them to do? Drop the INT?

And who do you want that can only be obtained at #2? Drake Maye?
how quickly  
MookGiants : 11/26/2023 2:30 pm : link
people forget that tanking in 2003 was the only reason we were within striking distance to be able to get Eli. If they won some meaningless games at the end of that season they are too far back to be able to make that trade.
Everyone bitching about winning  
Sean : 11/26/2023 2:30 pm : link
Will be the same fans citing Daboll's record as why he should be fired next year.
RE: Everyone bitching about draft position  
AcidTest : 11/26/2023 2:31 pm : link
In comment 16302045 Sean said:
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The UDFA is the better QB than the 15th overall pick, Mac Jones. The Giants will have a chance to draft a QB. It's about who you pick, not where you pick.


Also agree.
RE: Everyone bitching about draft position  
Anakim : 11/26/2023 2:31 pm : link
In comment 16302045 Sean said:
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The UDFA is the better QB than the 15th overall pick, Mac Jones. The Giants will have a chance to draft a QB. It's about who you pick, not where you pick.


Yes, and we want our GM to have his pick of who we wants...
Really pleasantly surprised how well DeVito is playing.  
cosmicj : 11/26/2023 2:31 pm : link
He’s getting better each week.
RE: I am an old guy  
k2tampa : 11/26/2023 2:31 pm : link
In comment 16302041 Fishmanjim57 said:
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I'm a 66 year old lifetime NY Football Giants fan and I NEVER want to see my team tank. You younger fans have no idea how bad the G-men were in the 1970's, I know the team has been mismanaged for awhile in the last 10 years, but I never agree with the idea of tanking for a pick. That's not the Giants way of doing things.


And as a 65-year-old Giants fan who lived thru the '70s too, there is a difference between taking and fans wanting a loss. Those '70s teams were putrid. Your "Giants way" hasn't gotten them anywhere for more than a decade. There is nothing wrong in this scenario with wanting them to play the young guys as much as possible to get experience, wanting them to play well, but still lose, if it means 10 to 15 years of really good football because they can find a franchise QB. Picking 6th to 15th is not likely to cut it.
The draft will take care of itself?  
bceagle05 : 11/26/2023 2:31 pm : link
What does that even mean? The only thing it’s taken care of lately is delivering the foundation of a shit team.
RE: how quickly  
JOrthman : 11/26/2023 2:32 pm : link
In comment 16302056 MookGiants said:
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people forget that tanking in 2003 was the only reason we were within striking distance to be able to get Eli. If they won some meaningless games at the end of that season they are too far back to be able to make that trade.


Except they didn't tank
RE: Everyone bitching about draft position  
j_rud : 11/26/2023 2:32 pm : link
In comment 16302045 Sean said:
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The UDFA is the better QB than the 15th overall pick, Mac Jones. The Giants will have a chance to draft a QB. It's about who you pick, not where you pick.


You can't say that without acknowledging draft position as a factor. I'm not a fan of tanking and couldn't actively root for a loss but its disingenuous to ignore the fact that, yes, losing = a better opportunity for the future.
here comes the morally we don't tank crowd  
mphbullet36 : 11/26/2023 2:32 pm : link
yeah the Giants have sucked and not tanked for years...where has that got us recently...we have been one of the most inept franchises over the last 10 years.
Sean.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 11/26/2023 2:32 pm : link
DeVito has looked better this season than the dude we gave the bag to last spring.
RE: how quickly  
Sean : 11/26/2023 2:33 pm : link
In comment 16302056 MookGiants said:
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people forget that tanking in 2003 was the only reason we were within striking distance to be able to get Eli. If they won some meaningless games at the end of that season they are too far back to be able to make that trade.

It's November 26th. What the fuck do you want them to do? Drop INT's?

It's such a dumb fan argument. Yes, I want a he top pick, but, teams don't throw games. And if they did, it would be this game on both sides.

Again, Mac Jones was drafted 15th overall. DeVito is better.
RE: Everyone bitching about draft position  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 11/26/2023 2:33 pm : link
In comment 16302045 Sean said:
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The UDFA is the better QB than the 15th overall pick, Mac Jones. The Giants will have a chance to draft a QB. It's about who you pick, not where you pick.


But literally not one person who analyses prospects thinks Mac Jones is the caliber or Caleb or Drake. He’s not even remotely close to Jayden Daniels. These are elite prospects we’re talking about.

I don’t quite understand how the anti-tank people are also the “Shoot Daniel Jones into the sun” people. Winning games in a meaningless season against a dreadful team doesn’t build culture. It doesn’t do shit.
LOL  
UberAlias : 11/26/2023 2:34 pm : link
At all the people demanding that others root for what they’re rooting for.
I'm not wasting about meaningless wins on 11/26  
Sean : 11/26/2023 2:34 pm : link
Too much season to go. That meaningless win hasn't been a problem for the Texans, has it?
Whole half to be played  
Sammo85 : 11/26/2023 2:34 pm : link
Don’t count your chickens yet.
...  
christian : 11/26/2023 2:34 pm : link
The Giants traded one of their best defenders, they are load managing their best offensive player, their best defender is taking the conservative route back from a hamstring pull, and they made no attempt to acquire a veteran starter when Jones got hurt.

This is what tanking looks like.
RE: I am an old guy  
Route 9 : 11/26/2023 2:34 pm : link
In comment 16302041 Fishmanjim57 said:
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I'm a 66 year old lifetime NY Football Giants fan and I NEVER want to see my team tank. You younger fans have no idea how bad the G-men were in the 1970's, I know the team has been mismanaged for awhile in the last 10 years, but I never agree with the idea of tanking for a pick. That's not the Giants way of doing things.


We have plenty good idea how bad they were back then. You old guys never shut the fuck up about the 70s and those stupid fucking days. That's literally all you babble about.
RE: Essex  
k2tampa : 11/26/2023 2:34 pm : link
In comment 16302055 Sean said:
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You are being ridiculous. The whining and pissing about winning 7-0 at home against a 2-8 team is brutal. The Giants are starting Tommy DeVito, what do you want them to do? Drop the INT?

And who do you want that can only be obtained at #2? Drake Maye?


Who do you think is the franchise QB they can get at 10 or 12? No, I don't want them to drop the INT. I want to see young guys get a lot of playing time (Hyatt, Gray, Hawkins) and see them show promise and get a ton of experience for next year and beyond, while staying close but losing.
RE: RE: Everyone bitching about draft position  
Scooter185 : 11/26/2023 2:34 pm : link
In comment 16302069 shockeyisthebest8056 said:
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In comment 16302045 Sean said:


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The UDFA is the better QB than the 15th overall pick, Mac Jones. The Giants will have a chance to draft a QB. It's about who you pick, not where you pick.



But literally not one person who analyses prospects thinks Mac Jones is the caliber or Caleb or Drake. He’s not even remotely close to Jayden Daniels. These are elite prospects we’re talking about.

I don’t quite understand how the anti-tank people are also the “Shoot Daniel Jones into the sun” people. Winning games in a meaningless season against a dreadful team doesn’t build culture. It doesn’t do shit.


+1
RE: RE: how quickly  
MookGiants : 11/26/2023 2:35 pm : link
In comment 16302068 Sean said:
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people forget that tanking in 2003 was the only reason we were within striking distance to be able to get Eli. If they won some meaningless games at the end of that season they are too far back to be able to make that trade.


It's November 26th. What the fuck do you want them to do? Drop INT's?

It's such a dumb fan argument. Yes, I want a he top pick, but, teams don't throw games. And if they did, it would be this game on both sides.

Again, Mac Jones was drafted 15th overall. DeVito is better.


Sean I'm not asking or expecting them to tank. All I'm saying is its definitely beneficial, but I do not expect them to do so. I would prefer they lose, thats all. Just saying that above for the people who act like losses are never a good thing and it doesn't matter where we pick. The Patriots are definitely tanking though there's no other explanation to keeping Jones in there. Everyone knows he's done there. The players don't want him out there. Yet he's still out there, despite one awful turnover after another. I would never expect the Giants to do what the Patriots are right now
RE: Mac Jones is still in the game  
joeinpa : 11/26/2023 2:35 pm : link
In comment 16302010 Essex said:
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It shows you one team here is serious about getting into the top 2 picks


Holy Cow, what a take!
This might be the most boring slate of 1pm games  
Chris684 : 11/26/2023 2:35 pm : link
I’ve ever seen.

There are more draft implications than playoff implications!
......  
Route 9 : 11/26/2023 2:36 pm : link
Guys. It's half time. We're only up 7-0. Keep the faith. We can still lose this. We have a head coach who proved to already have a brain beyond stupidity.
RE: The draft will take care of itself?  
mphbullet36 : 11/26/2023 2:36 pm : link
In comment 16302063 bceagle05 said:
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What does that even mean? The only thing it’s taken care of lately is delivering the foundation of a shit team.

seriously have some of the fans been living under a rock. You could make the case we have been the worst run franchise over the last decade.

there is no "giants way" still in the building...
RE: I'm not wasting about meaningless wins on 11/26  
Scooter185 : 11/26/2023 2:36 pm : link
In comment 16302072 Sean said:
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Too much season to go. That meaningless win hasn't been a problem for the Texans, has it?


Dropping from 1 to 2 vs 2/3 to 10+ isn't exactly comparable
RE: ...  
Sean : 11/26/2023 2:37 pm : link
In comment 16302074 christian said:
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The Giants traded one of their best defenders, they are load managing their best offensive player, their best defender is taking the conservative route back from a hamstring pull, and they made no attempt to acquire a veteran starter when Jones got hurt.

This is what tanking looks like.

Thank you. Bitching about winning this game is wasted energy. That's my point. The hissy fits during the game is tiring.

The Giants are only up 7-0 because Mac Jones (drafted 15th) is the worst QB in the NFL. I'm not going to waste time bitching because Okereke didn't drop an INT intentionally.
This thread is taking a strange turn  
JOrthman : 11/26/2023 2:37 pm : link
I get wanting a better pick...but I don't get actually cheering for a lost or getting mad when we play well? I mean it is what it is, but professionals don't tank.
......  
Route 9 : 11/26/2023 2:37 pm : link
You guys really think with a top 1-3 pick, that this moron team will actually get it right?
RE: RE: Everyone bitching about draft position  
HBart : 11/26/2023 2:37 pm : link
In comment 16302069 shockeyisthebest8056 said:
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In comment 16302045 Sean said:


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The UDFA is the better QB than the 15th overall pick, Mac Jones. The Giants will have a chance to draft a QB. It's about who you pick, not where you pick.



But literally not one person who analyses prospects thinks Mac Jones is the caliber or Caleb or Drake. He’s not even remotely close to Jayden Daniels. These are elite prospects we’re talking about.

I don’t quite understand how the anti-tank people are also the “Shoot Daniel Jones into the sun” people. Winning games in a meaningless season against a dreadful team doesn’t build culture. It doesn’t do shit.

The number of coaches and ex-players who say exactly the opposite is endless.
Here's an idea that I think will make every fan here get a smile....  
Fishmanjim57 : 11/26/2023 2:37 pm : link
In the future when drafting a QB, just don't get one with the surname Jones.
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