Just now on FOX. Jay Glazer said the tension between the two is real and they are in a bad place. Believes a mutual parting of the ways is coming, he even hinted it might happen in season.
I assume Wilkins would get the interim job. I’m more surprised that Daboll and Kafka aren’t “in a bad place” as the offense has been much worse than the defense.
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There has been tension building between #Giants HC Brian Daboll and DC Wink Martindale and they are in a "bad place," per @JayGlazer. It's to the point where there could be a mutual parting after the season and even potentially during these next weeks of the regular season.
it took for the defense to wake up. Yes new players take time to get with the program, but six weeks is way too long. It could also be with the players Wink kept - Jihad Ward is at least a year past due, to name one.
2007 it took Spags 3 weeks to get the defense going.
I would like to dismiss the report, but things leak out...
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Some writing on the wall about Brian Daboll and Wink Martindale taking conflicting approaches and then plenty of sideline conversations to speculate about, though both have denied friction.
It’s amazing how guys are great coaches one season
And then getting canned the next. And this is not about Wink in particular. It’s about all coaches. Last week we had posters asking if Spags is the best D Cord in the league. We couldn’t get rid of Spags fast enough. Coaches and to some extent QB’s don’t get the chance to figure things out. I guess it’s the nature of instant gratification society.
RE: It’s amazing how guys are great coaches one season
And then getting canned the next. And this is not about Wink in particular. It’s about all coaches. Last week we had posters asking if Spags is the best D Cord in the league. We couldn’t get rid of Spags fast enough. Coaches and to some extent QB’s don’t get the chance to figure things out. I guess it’s the nature of instant gratification society.
To continue on that point if/when Wink is canned and the Jets fire Salah would we have any interest in moving him to East Ruhterford as a D-Cord?
Olsen was highly critical of Wink for playing man to man against the cowboys when the giant deep backs could not in any way match up with cowboy receivers and were burned to the tune of 40+ points twice
- first Wink likes to play how he plays. Man to man in the back, exotic blitzes and pressure up front, sort of a boom or bust approach sometimes. I could Daboll trying to change things and Wink pushing back
- second I wonder if that whole McKinney thing 2 weeks ago played into this The whole thing still strikes me as weird.
Daboll's O has been a disgrace and now it's going to cost Wink - who is easily the best coach in his role on this team.
Remember - Daboll had a bad relationship with McDermott which was the reason Judge could've gotten him as OC instead of Garrett. There are signs he's difficult to work with.
Hoping this doesn't turn into another Belichick tree disaster.
Art Stapleton
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Look no further than how differently Daboll and Wink handled the situation regarding Xavier McKinney's comments a few weeks back. Two different approaches.
We'll see how this plays out.
Pat Leonard
@PLeonardNYDN
Jay is only scratching the surface of dysfunction under Joe Schoen & Brian Daboll with this report.
Meanwhile here on the Giants sideline in wake of that report: Tim McDonnell spoke with Wink Martindale. Then McDonnell filled in John Mara. Then Mara addressed both Schoen and Daboll at the 45 yard line.
Stay tuned.
This is the worst news from this dumpster fire of a season.
Jordan Raanan
@JordanRaanan
You could see some of this festering. Wink Martindale wasn't happy with the whole Xavier McKinney incident. Brian Daboll had McKinney break down the team after last week's win.
To scapegoat the coordinator of the team's best unit for a team that has the 32nd ranked offense would be ridiculous.
very indifferent about this, but Wink’s defense hasn’t been great that I wouldn’t opposed to trying something different. There are too many times this and last year that the defense just can not get past an o-line.
Pat Leonard
@PLeonardNYDN
Jay is only scratching the surface of dysfunction under Joe Schoen & Brian Daboll with this report.
Meanwhile here on the Giants sideline in wake of that report: Tim McDonnell spoke with Wink Martindale. Then McDonnell filled in John Mara. Then Mara addressed both Schoen and Daboll at the 45 yard line.
Stay tuned.
This is the kind of thing that gets head coaches fired around here.
Pat Leonard
@PLeonardNYDN
Jay is only scratching the surface of dysfunction under Joe Schoen & Brian Daboll with this report.
Meanwhile here on the Giants sideline in wake of that report: Tim McDonnell spoke with Wink Martindale. Then McDonnell filled in John Mara. Then Mara addressed both Schoen and Daboll at the 45 yard line.
Stay tuned.
Taking that with a grain of salt because it’s Leonard but yikes if true.
RE: This is the worst news from this dumpster fire of a season.
Pressure and idiots with egos always fuck things up.
Wink works for Daboll. Putting your boss in a difficult situation by not being on the same page with how you communicate things in public regarding players is a big deal.
Sounds legit. Wink butted heads with Harbaugh; not nearly the same history with Daboll. Report of McD talking to Wink and Mara before the game is more disturbing. Put me in the Daboll camp.
Wink has to go, the Giants defense is bad, they seem to be too soft.
mounting that this Schoen/Daboll thing isn't going anywhere.
DJ has regressed this year badly. That's on the offensive coaching. And Wink - an old school DC - is probably been giving them sh#t for sucking so bad.
God, I hope they turn this thing around or it's time to start over again. Keeping these guys in the building simply for continuity's sake isn't the answer.
mounting that this Schoen/Daboll thing isn't going anywhere.
DJ has regressed this year badly. That's on the offensive coaching. And Wink - an old school DC - is probably been giving them sh#t for sucking so bad.
God, I hope they turn this thing around or it's time to start over again. Keeping these guys in the building simply for continuity's sake isn't the answer.
What does this have to do with Joe Schoen?
RE: Wink has to go, the Giants defense is bad, they seem to be too soft.
mounting that this Schoen/Daboll thing isn't going anywhere.
DJ has regressed this year badly. That's on the offensive coaching. And Wink - an old school DC - is probably been giving them sh#t for sucking so bad.
God, I hope they turn this thing around or it's time to start over again. Keeping these guys in the building simply for continuity's sake isn't the answer.
What does this have to do with Joe Schoen?
Because he and Daboll are essentially the same guy. They've made that clear. Package deal.
Jordan Raanan
@JordanRaanan
You could see some of this festering. Wink Martindale wasn't happy with the whole Xavier McKinney incident. Brian Daboll had McKinney break down the team after last week's win.
To scapegoat the coordinator of the team's best unit for a team that has the 32nd ranked offense would be ridiculous.
Is McKinney the defensive captain? The D did have six turnovers last week to help win the game.
Personally, I would have had DeVito do it - first win, 3 TDs, never know when he gets a chance like that again.
RE: RE: Wink has to go, the Giants defense is bad, they seem to be too soft.
Look at what the defense has given up game by game, especially in the 4th qtr. The defense lost the Jets, Buffalo games.
Not sure I would point to two games where the defense allowed 14 and 13 points.
Agreed.
In general if we're pointing to a side of the ball at fault for this season, it's the offense and it isn't close. That side of the ball has been a disgrace.
In a season of bad looks for Daboll, this is another one. What a mess.
RE: RE: This is the worst news from this dumpster fire of a season.
Pressure and idiots with egos always fuck things up.
Wink works for Daboll. Putting your boss in a difficult situation by not being on the same page with how you communicate things in public regarding players is a big deal.
Daboll hasn’t handled anything well this season so I’m including him in the “idiots with egos” category. I think any reasonably knowledgeable person would say Wink has done a good job with this defense during his tenure considering their overall talent deficiency.
I’d rather lack of performance or a disagreement on style of play be the issue rather than this dumb shit.
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I've heard about some philosophical differences, especially personnel at certain times of the game. But, not where they're not talking or anything like that.
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I knew there was friction. Didn't realize it had escalated to the point Glazer reported this morning. This coaching staff could look very different after the season
Are you freakin serious, The guy with the bend don't break defense. Do you not remember how many times his freakin defense gave up winning drives at the end of games with his passive play calling. Man some people have no memory.
RE: Wink has to go, the Giants defense is bad, they seem to be too soft.
Pat Leonard
@PLeonardNYDN
Jay is only scratching the surface of dysfunction under Joe Schoen & Brian Daboll with this report.
Meanwhile here on the Giants sideline in wake of that report: Tim McDonnell spoke with Wink Martindale. Then McDonnell filled in John Mara. Then Mara addressed both Schoen and Daboll at the 45 yard line.
Stay tuned.
Timmy passing notes in home room.
RE: Wink has to go, the Giants defense is bad, they seem to be too soft.
dressing down wink on sideline in cowboys game, people on this site were literally saying there was nothing to see. Just a coach talking to his coordinators
Really excited to get wink. Love an an aggressive that dictates play. One problem I see though is his inability to adjust. It’s one style of defense regardless of personnel or match up.
Let’s also remember this would be the 2nd time he is mutually moving on. I think it’s always good to look at patterns when trying to figure out who’s at fault. It seems like wink might have a problem working with head coaches
But when the offense has been 3 and out as many times as this offense has been, no defense will be great. As bad as this offense has been all year and he wants Winks head. Fix the offense and give wink a chance to do what he does
But it is up to Daboll to keep everyone rowing in the same direction or move someone out if they are a malcontent. He’s the head coach, so getting this situation resolved and keeping the team together is Daboll’s responsibility.
I have continued to believe Daboll will be back next year, but if there is going to be drama with the staff the rest of the year Schoen needs to consider letting him go. This isn’t what you want from a guy coaching at this level.
Do think Wink is too opinionated for someone like Daboll. I am a big fan of his but do understand the situation.
His defenses haven't been consistently great but they've been destroyed by injuries the last season and a half. Look who they played at corner last year and won a playoff game with it. Look who was playing middle linebacker. It was not good yet Wink and the position coaches did a great job.
Curious who is potentially going to join in at DC next. Jerome Henderson makes sense but does Daboll agree.
Really excited to get wink. Love an an aggressive that dictates play. One problem I see though is his inability to adjust. It’s one style of defense regardless of personnel or match up.
Let’s also remember this would be the 2nd time he is mutually moving on. I think it’s always good to look at patterns when trying to figure out who’s at fault. It seems like wink might have a problem working with head coaches
We don't dictate play though. Nobody's scared of this defense.
Except 3rd down defense. Run, pass & scoring they are near the bottom. While there have been some positives in select games, the overall body has been below average. There's plenty of blame to go around, but stop with the defense has been good.... it hasn't
RE: While acknowledging I know nothing of the details here
Pat Leonard
@PLeonardNYDN
Jay is only scratching the surface of dysfunction under Joe Schoen & Brian Daboll with this report.
Meanwhile here on the Giants sideline in wake of that report: Tim McDonnell spoke with Wink Martindale. Then McDonnell filled in John Mara. Then Mara addressed both Schoen and Daboll at the 45 yard line.
Stay tuned.
This is the kind of thing that gets head coaches fired around here.
Yawn.. you chiming in is perfect.. Please, remind us of your brilliance..
Wink was let go by Baltimore two years ago. Baltimore defense has not skipped a beat since he was let go.
The giant defense last year was not that good. The giant defense this year has been even worse despite not really suffering many injuries at all. The talent on paper is better than people think yet it’s been very inconsistent.
The Giants offense has been dreadful this season. But Daboll has a good track record coaching offenses, including last year when he took an under talented unit to the playoffs, finishing with above average numbers.
We won’t miss wink. It’s kind of weird to see people taking Daboll to the woodshed when we don’t know what happened.
Ask yourself why Baltimore let him go. We know Buffalo didn’t want to let Daboll go but it seemed like Baltimore couldn’t care less and they look no worse for wear without wink.
Ps I’d want McKinney back before wink. I know McKinney is above average and can cover. Wink is average at best, by every single metric.
I assume Wilkins would get the interim job. I’m more surprised that Daboll and Kafka aren’t “in a bad place” as the offense has been much worse than the defense.
Maybe Wink blames Daboll for the offense.
RE: RE: Wink has to go, the Giants defense is bad, they seem to be too soft.
Look at what the defense has given up game by game, especially in the 4th qtr. The defense lost the Jets, Buffalo games.
Not sure I would point to two games where the defense allowed 14 and 13 points.
When your offense sucks, it's difficult to get a fair assessment of your defense because opposing offenses play vanilla. It's only if they're trailing in the closing minutes that they open up the playbook, which is something we've seen repeatedly in the past decade or so (the Giants defense playing well most of the game and then they can't get off the field when it counts).
You hounding Terps accomplishes zero, except make you look small.
Really, defending the guy who clearly has a BIAS to his QB "eye" and who disappeared when the team was playing much better.. I guess I am surprised at your defense of him...
You hounding Terps accomplishes zero, except make you look small.
Really, defending the guy who clearly has a BIAS to his QB "eye" and who disappeared when the team was playing much better.. I guess I am surprised at your defense of him...
stop attacking Terps!
Agree with him, disagree, fine. He’s NEVER attacked anyone in all the years he’s posted.
And that’s been a lot longer then many of you.
stop attacking Terps!
Agree with him, disagree, fine. He’s NEVER attacked anyone in all the years he’s posted.
And that’s been a lot longer then many of you.
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Brian Daboll said the biggest argument he’s had with #giants defensive coordinator Wink Martindale is over the last slice of pizza. Daboll credited his scheming today.
“I’ve got a lot of respect for Wink. Glad he’s on the staff.”
- first Wink likes to play how he plays. Man to man in the back, exotic blitzes and pressure up front, sort of a boom or bust approach sometimes. I could Daboll trying to change things and Wink pushing back
- second I wonder if that whole McKinney thing 2 weeks ago played into this The whole thing still strikes me as weird.
No disrespect but what exactly is an “exotic blitz package?” That term is so overused. Do players come in on parachutes?
You hounding Terps accomplishes zero, except make you look small.
Really, defending the guy who clearly has a BIAS to his QB "eye" and who disappeared when the team was playing much better.. I guess I am surprised at your defense of him...
It's not solely this thread, you're trying to make your presence known to him often.
Name a few posters who've gotten more right than Terps over the past 6-7 seasons. We need smart, out of the nyg box thinking people who also typically keep their emotions out of it. Ymmv but I don't see much sense it.
“Issues”. NOBODY is happy with the way the season has gone. Not the coaches, the GM or the owners.
I don’t doubt there’s been issues.
Nothing a winning streak won’t fix I suspect.
Yeah the board knows we should've traded up for Trey Lance. Or spent one of our two 2022 lottery tickets on Malik Willis (who lasted deep into the end of the 3rd round, btw). If you think Terps has been so right, you must think Schoen and Daboll are complete morons who stumbled into their roles as GM and HC for giving a $40M/year salary to someone who isn't a starting quality QB (or your buying into the ridiculous narrative that they were kowtowing to Mara).
JonC, you do yourself a disservice running interference for him. Amazes me how the haters just want to pretend Jones didn't put the team on his back in 2022 and lead them to a playoff win.
The Giants being unable to stop the run the past two years has nothing to do with the offense.
The steaming pile s**t the defense laid in Las Vegas had nothing to do with the offense and the game in Dallas was the worst and softest defense I've seen from the Giants since the mid 1960's.
The Giants are tied for 2nd to last in points against. I see no evidence of anything that Wink does giving the Giants an advantage. If Daboll wants a new DC so be it.
There are always times when coordinators disagree with HC. When a coordinator is ready or thinks they're ready to be an HC, that will add to it. After Wink was not hired, he made a comment about why he did not get the job, referring to something that management wanted that he would not agree to. He's going to stick to his guns.
Bottom line always tension between management and that can be affected by strong personalities.
Outside of a few games (Dallas) defense has played fairly well. They don't have all the pieces in place, very young in the secondary, - Leo Williams, and need a bookend opposite KT.
Yeah the board knows we should've traded up for Trey Lance. Or spent one of our two 2022 lottery tickets on Malik Willis (who lasted deep into the end of the 3rd round, btw). If you think Terps has been so right, you must think Schoen and Daboll are complete morons who stumbled into their roles as GM and HC for giving a $40M/year salary to someone who isn't a starting quality QB (or your buying into the ridiculous narrative that they were kowtowing to Mara).
JonC, you do yourself a disservice running interference for him. Amazes me how the haters just want to pretend Jones didn't put the team on his back in 2022 and lead them to a playoff win.
All of you should be way over that playoff moment at this point.
JonC, you do yourself a disservice running interference for him. Amazes me how the haters just want to pretend Jones didn't put the team on his back in 2022 and lead them to a playoff win.
Whats the book definition of "put the team on his back and led them to a playoff win"?
Is it "beat up an awful Colts team and the worst defense to ever make the NFL playoffs"?
They also went 3-6 to finish the year to get into the playoffs.
Eli put the team on his back in 2011. 2022 was not that and never should be.
still carrying water for Daniel Jones throwing 15 TDs in a season and beating a shit show franchise in a playoff game, like that means anything.
sad how low the bar is for team success for people who call themselves "fans" of a franchise.
I didn't notice Jones putting the team on his back vs the Eagles in the divisional playoff. He saw him poop the bed and flush the team down the toilet.
You hounding Terps accomplishes zero, except make you look small.
Terps is a bad actor. He consistently uses language that trolls the fans of the team on this fan site. I said my peace on Terps but he could change people’s opinion. The two of you have recently had “similar views” on ownership and Jones, you also post a lot, can be very critical of players, yet still respected by most here.
You hounding Terps accomplishes zero, except make you look small.
Terps is a bad actor. He consistently uses language that trolls the fans of the team on this fan site. I said my peace on Terps but he could change people’s opinion. The two of you have recently had “similar views” on ownership and Jones, you also post a lot, can be very critical of players, yet still respected by most here.
You hounding Terps accomplishes zero, except make you look small.
Terps is a bad actor. He consistently uses language that trolls the fans of the team on this fan site. I said my peace on Terps but he could change people’s opinion. The two of you have recently had “similar views” on ownership and Jones, you also post a lot, can be very critical of players, yet still respected by most here.
JonC
There is a reason for the difference.
What did I say that hurt your feelings?
Nothing. I think you troll the fans on this site unnecessarily and the evidence is littered all over the board. Just that. Your good opinions are lost settling scores.
Nothing. I think you troll the fans on this site unnecessarily and the evidence is littered all over the board. Just that. Your good opinions are lost settling scores.
I'm not interested in softening anything to make you out anyone else here feel better about what a shitshow this team has been. You and others have been indulging in a game of pretend when it comes to what last year was, and what this team has been for years. Sorry that makes you sad, but it's not my fault.
and you're talking about Terps. If you don't like his opinion, which is fair, just ignore it.
Nobody elected you troll police. To someone who doesn't share your opinion, your thoughts are like fingernails on chalk board, trust me. Doesn't mean I think you're trying to troll me. But I could go there, and say evidence of such is littered all over the board
Nothing. I think you troll the fans on this site unnecessarily and the evidence is littered all over the board. Just that. Your good opinions are lost settling scores.
I'm not interested in softening anything to make you out anyone else here feel better about what a shitshow this team has been. You and others have been indulging in a game of pretend when it comes to what last year was, and what this team has been for years. Sorry that makes you sad, but it's not my fault.
It doesn’t make me sad, it just means you’re a troll. You say things specifically to anger people every day. You could choose different language. You choose to be a dick. You reap what you sow.
You are a very small person. When you consider the volume of negativity you spew here, you must be a treasure at home. I know exactly what you are and I pity you.
this has been a disasterous season
losing Wink would only make it worse
I have been curious about him. Our cornerbacks have been solid and anyone who has stepped in has been prepared and held up well.
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There has been tension building between #Giants HC Brian Daboll and DC Wink Martindale and they are in a "bad place," per @JayGlazer. It's to the point where there could be a mutual parting after the season and even potentially during these next weeks of the regular season.
2007 it took Spags 3 weeks to get the defense going.
I would like to dismiss the report, but things leak out...
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Some writing on the wall about Brian Daboll and Wink Martindale taking conflicting approaches and then plenty of sideline conversations to speculate about, though both have denied friction.
To continue on that point if/when Wink is canned and the Jets fire Salah would we have any interest in moving him to East Ruhterford as a D-Cord?
Frazier was the defensive coordinator when Daboll was OC in Buffalo, and of course he was also a head coach candidate here in 2022.
- second I wonder if that whole McKinney thing 2 weeks ago played into this The whole thing still strikes me as weird.
Unless it's BS.
We'll find out.
https://twitter.com/NFLonFOX/status/1728824887173615778 - ( New Window )
Remember - Daboll had a bad relationship with McDermott which was the reason Judge could've gotten him as OC instead of Garrett. There are signs he's difficult to work with.
Hoping this doesn't turn into another Belichick tree disaster.
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Look no further than how differently Daboll and Wink handled the situation regarding Xavier McKinney's comments a few weeks back. Two different approaches.
We'll see how this plays out.
@PLeonardNYDN
Jay is only scratching the surface of dysfunction under Joe Schoen & Brian Daboll with this report.
Meanwhile here on the Giants sideline in wake of that report: Tim McDonnell spoke with Wink Martindale. Then McDonnell filled in John Mara. Then Mara addressed both Schoen and Daboll at the 45 yard line.
Stay tuned.
@JordanRaanan
You could see some of this festering. Wink Martindale wasn't happy with the whole Xavier McKinney incident. Brian Daboll had McKinney break down the team after last week's win.
To scapegoat the coordinator of the team's best unit for a team that has the 32nd ranked offense would be ridiculous.
@PLeonardNYDN
Jay is only scratching the surface of dysfunction under Joe Schoen & Brian Daboll with this report.
Meanwhile here on the Giants sideline in wake of that report: Tim McDonnell spoke with Wink Martindale. Then McDonnell filled in John Mara. Then Mara addressed both Schoen and Daboll at the 45 yard line.
Stay tuned.
This is the kind of thing that gets head coaches fired around here.
Wouldn't it be nice if, for once, the Giants made the right hires and had some sort of organizational consistency?
It's a fucking mess, and it's always worse than it even appears.
@PLeonardNYDN
Jay is only scratching the surface of dysfunction under Joe Schoen & Brian Daboll with this report.
Meanwhile here on the Giants sideline in wake of that report: Tim McDonnell spoke with Wink Martindale. Then McDonnell filled in John Mara. Then Mara addressed both Schoen and Daboll at the 45 yard line.
Stay tuned.
Taking that with a grain of salt because it’s Leonard but yikes if true.
Wink works for Daboll. Putting your boss in a difficult situation by not being on the same page with how you communicate things in public regarding players is a big deal.
DJ has regressed this year badly. That's on the offensive coaching. And Wink - an old school DC - is probably been giving them sh#t for sucking so bad.
God, I hope they turn this thing around or it's time to start over again. Keeping these guys in the building simply for continuity's sake isn't the answer.
Not sure I would point to two games where the defense allowed 14 and 13 points.
DJ has regressed this year badly. That's on the offensive coaching. And Wink - an old school DC - is probably been giving them sh#t for sucking so bad.
God, I hope they turn this thing around or it's time to start over again. Keeping these guys in the building simply for continuity's sake isn't the answer.
What does this have to do with Joe Schoen?
The D lost the Jets and Buffalo games? GTFO with that sh#t. The clock should've run out on the Jets. And the Bills? They allowed 1 TD to Josh Allen.
The ineffective offense is putting too much stress on the D. That's been the case most of the year.
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mounting that this Schoen/Daboll thing isn't going anywhere.
DJ has regressed this year badly. That's on the offensive coaching. And Wink - an old school DC - is probably been giving them sh#t for sucking so bad.
God, I hope they turn this thing around or it's time to start over again. Keeping these guys in the building simply for continuity's sake isn't the answer.
What does this have to do with Joe Schoen?
Because he and Daboll are essentially the same guy. They've made that clear. Package deal.
@JordanRaanan
You could see some of this festering. Wink Martindale wasn't happy with the whole Xavier McKinney incident. Brian Daboll had McKinney break down the team after last week's win.
To scapegoat the coordinator of the team's best unit for a team that has the 32nd ranked offense would be ridiculous.
Is McKinney the defensive captain? The D did have six turnovers last week to help win the game.
Personally, I would have had DeVito do it - first win, 3 TDs, never know when he gets a chance like that again.
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Look at what the defense has given up game by game, especially in the 4th qtr. The defense lost the Jets, Buffalo games.
Not sure I would point to two games where the defense allowed 14 and 13 points.
Agreed.
In general if we're pointing to a side of the ball at fault for this season, it's the offense and it isn't close. That side of the ball has been a disgrace.
In a season of bad looks for Daboll, this is another one. What a mess.
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Pressure and idiots with egos always fuck things up.
Wink works for Daboll. Putting your boss in a difficult situation by not being on the same page with how you communicate things in public regarding players is a big deal.
Daboll hasn’t handled anything well this season so I’m including him in the “idiots with egos” category. I think any reasonably knowledgeable person would say Wink has done a good job with this defense during his tenure considering their overall talent deficiency.
I’d rather lack of performance or a disagreement on style of play be the issue rather than this dumb shit.
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I've heard about some philosophical differences, especially personnel at certain times of the game. But, not where they're not talking or anything like that.
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I knew there was friction. Didn't realize it had escalated to the point Glazer reported this morning. This coaching staff could look very different after the season
Are you freakin serious, The guy with the bend don't break defense. Do you not remember how many times his freakin defense gave up winning drives at the end of games with his passive play calling. Man some people have no memory.
It’d be nice if the offense could help out!! You know, get a QB who can score points
@PLeonardNYDN
Jay is only scratching the surface of dysfunction under Joe Schoen & Brian Daboll with this report.
Meanwhile here on the Giants sideline in wake of that report: Tim McDonnell spoke with Wink Martindale. Then McDonnell filled in John Mara. Then Mara addressed both Schoen and Daboll at the 45 yard line.
Stay tuned.
Timmy passing notes in home room.
With your undying support of Daniel Jones and your comment about the defense....... Are you Bobby Johnson's burner!?
#JayKnew
But also gotta look at Harbaugh's parting of ways with Wink. There’s a trend forming here.
I don’t think this looks like a scapegoat situation. I think there are fundamental disagreements with Wink or personality clashes.
Let’s also remember this would be the 2nd time he is mutually moving on. I think it’s always good to look at patterns when trying to figure out who’s at fault. It seems like wink might have a problem working with head coaches
A little more than half way through the season,and you could be hearing "Wink Stinks" at the water cooler.
Things change pretty fast
Jay Glazer doesn’t make things up. Plus, you saw it on the sideline
Interesting timing with the bye coming up.
Daboll has been really poor so perhaps some scapegoating also at play.
On that quick pass to the left
Why? It sucked last year, this year they gave him all the tools he wanted and then some, and it has sucked worse.
His unit hasn't been very good for much of the year until the tackling improved but...
This is a good point but you have to wonder how much their rankings are due to the offense's inability to stay on the field.
I have continued to believe Daboll will be back next year, but if there is going to be drama with the staff the rest of the year Schoen needs to consider letting him go. This isn’t what you want from a guy coaching at this level.
His defenses haven't been consistently great but they've been destroyed by injuries the last season and a half. Look who they played at corner last year and won a playoff game with it. Look who was playing middle linebacker. It was not good yet Wink and the position coaches did a great job.
Curious who is potentially going to join in at DC next. Jerome Henderson makes sense but does Daboll agree.
Let’s also remember this would be the 2nd time he is mutually moving on. I think it’s always good to look at patterns when trying to figure out who’s at fault. It seems like wink might have a problem working with head coaches
We don't dictate play though. Nobody's scared of this defense.
That and we can't defend the screen.
because the offense has been putrid all season.
Winks contract is up at season’s end, I believe.
Guess who may be gone?
Maybe wink?
Frazier was the defensive coordinator when Daboll was OC in Buffalo, and of course he was also a head coach candidate here in 2022.
Good point
My view as well.
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Pinot for the lady.... - ( New Window )
this has been a disasterous season
losing Wink would only make it worse
I hear you. And yet we hear nothing about McGaughey being in danger of an in season firing. Or for that matter, OG Bobby Johnson....
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Jay is only scratching the surface of dysfunction under Joe Schoen & Brian Daboll with this report.
Meanwhile here on the Giants sideline in wake of that report: Tim McDonnell spoke with Wink Martindale. Then McDonnell filled in John Mara. Then Mara addressed both Schoen and Daboll at the 45 yard line.
Stay tuned.
This is the kind of thing that gets head coaches fired around here.
Yawn.. you chiming in is perfect.. Please, remind us of your brilliance..
The giant defense last year was not that good. The giant defense this year has been even worse despite not really suffering many injuries at all. The talent on paper is better than people think yet it’s been very inconsistent.
The Giants offense has been dreadful this season. But Daboll has a good track record coaching offenses, including last year when he took an under talented unit to the playoffs, finishing with above average numbers.
We won’t miss wink. It’s kind of weird to see people taking Daboll to the woodshed when we don’t know what happened.
Ask yourself why Baltimore let him go. We know Buffalo didn’t want to let Daboll go but it seemed like Baltimore couldn’t care less and they look no worse for wear without wink.
Ps I’d want McKinney back before wink. I know McKinney is above average and can cover. Wink is average at best, by every single metric.
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Look at what the defense has given up game by game, especially in the 4th qtr. The defense lost the Jets, Buffalo games.
Not sure I would point to two games where the defense allowed 14 and 13 points.
Really, defending the guy who clearly has a BIAS to his QB "eye" and who disappeared when the team was playing much better.. I guess I am surprised at your defense of him...
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You hounding Terps accomplishes zero, except make you look small.
Really, defending the guy who clearly has a BIAS to his QB "eye" and who disappeared when the team was playing much better.. I guess I am surprised at your defense of him...
What bias?
Agree with him, disagree, fine. He’s NEVER attacked anyone in all the years he’s posted.
And that’s been a lot longer then many of you.
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Agree with him, disagree, fine. He’s NEVER attacked anyone in all the years he’s posted.
And that’s been a lot longer then many of you.
Leave Britney alone vibes.
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Brian Daboll said the biggest argument he’s had with #giants defensive coordinator Wink Martindale is over the last slice of pizza. Daboll credited his scheming today.
“I’ve got a lot of respect for Wink. Glad he’s on the staff.”
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Probably true.
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Our biggest argument is who gets the last piece
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Probably true.
Fuck that - just grab that last piece without asking!
- second I wonder if that whole McKinney thing 2 weeks ago played into this The whole thing still strikes me as weird.
No disrespect but what exactly is an “exotic blitz package?” That term is so overused. Do players come in on parachutes?
Wouldn't it be nice if, for once, the Giants made the right hires and had some sort of organizational consistency?
It's a fucking mess, and it's always worse than it even appears.
Right on brother!
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You hounding Terps accomplishes zero, except make you look small.
Really, defending the guy who clearly has a BIAS to his QB "eye" and who disappeared when the team was playing much better.. I guess I am surprised at your defense of him...
It's not solely this thread, you're trying to make your presence known to him often.
Name a few posters who've gotten more right than Terps over the past 6-7 seasons. We need smart, out of the nyg box thinking people who also typically keep their emotions out of it. Ymmv but I don't see much sense it.
Name a few posters who've gotten more right than Terps over the past 6-7 seasons.
I don’t doubt there’s been issues.
Nothing a winning streak won’t fix I suspect.
JonC, you do yourself a disservice running interference for him. Amazes me how the haters just want to pretend Jones didn't put the team on his back in 2022 and lead them to a playoff win.
The steaming pile s**t the defense laid in Las Vegas had nothing to do with the offense and the game in Dallas was the worst and softest defense I've seen from the Giants since the mid 1960's.
The Giants are tied for 2nd to last in points against. I see no evidence of anything that Wink does giving the Giants an advantage. If Daboll wants a new DC so be it.
2022 success is long gone. By next July, another 20+ players will turn over. The NFL caught up with Jones a year ago, soon it will be turn the page.
2022 success is long gone. By next July, another 20+ players will turn over. The NFL caught up with Jones a year ago, soon it will be turn the page.
The dude brings it on himself. He’s the girl stumbling down a back alley in a tube top at 3 am.
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and plenty right, both things are true. He doesn't need a defender. I'm just tired of the particular dynamic here (and everywhere).
2022 success is long gone. By next July, another 20+ players will turn over. The NFL caught up with Jones a year ago, soon it will be turn the page.
The dude brings it on himself. He’s the girl stumbling down a back alley in a tube top at 3 am.
Wow. Came back to re-read any details on this thread I'd missed.
What an unconscionably disgusting thing to say.
Bottom line always tension between management and that can be affected by strong personalities.
Outside of a few games (Dallas) defense has played fairly well. They don't have all the pieces in place, very young in the secondary, - Leo Williams, and need a bookend opposite KT.
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and plenty right, both things are true. He doesn't need a defender. I'm just tired of the particular dynamic here (and everywhere).
2022 success is long gone. By next July, another 20+ players will turn over. The NFL caught up with Jones a year ago, soon it will be turn the page.
The dude brings it on himself. He’s the girl stumbling down a back alley in a tube top at 3 am.
Wow. Came back to re-read any details on this thread I'd missed.
What an unconscionably disgusting thing to say.
Mittenedman is a troll. Hopefully one that will get himself banned soon.
He probably has no idea why what he posted isn't knee slapping funny.
sad how low the bar is for team success for people who call themselves "fans" of a franchise.
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and the board knows it, thus the anger shown him.
Yeah the board knows we should've traded up for Trey Lance. Or spent one of our two 2022 lottery tickets on Malik Willis (who lasted deep into the end of the 3rd round, btw). If you think Terps has been so right, you must think Schoen and Daboll are complete morons who stumbled into their roles as GM and HC for giving a $40M/year salary to someone who isn't a starting quality QB (or your buying into the ridiculous narrative that they were kowtowing to Mara).
JonC, you do yourself a disservice running interference for him. Amazes me how the haters just want to pretend Jones didn't put the team on his back in 2022 and lead them to a playoff win.
All of you should be way over that playoff moment at this point.
But yet it still shows up in a lot of threads.
JonC, you do yourself a disservice running interference for him. Amazes me how the haters just want to pretend Jones didn't put the team on his back in 2022 and lead them to a playoff win.
Whats the book definition of "put the team on his back and led them to a playoff win"?
Is it "beat up an awful Colts team and the worst defense to ever make the NFL playoffs"?
They also went 3-6 to finish the year to get into the playoffs.
Eli put the team on his back in 2011. 2022 was not that and never should be.
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and plenty right, both things are true. He doesn't need a defender. I'm just tired of the particular dynamic here (and everywhere).
2022 success is long gone. By next July, another 20+ players will turn over. The NFL caught up with Jones a year ago, soon it will be turn the page.
The dude brings it on himself. He’s the girl stumbling down a back alley in a tube top at 3 am.
Interesting. And how many girl's in this situation have you approached in your life?
sad how low the bar is for team success for people who call themselves "fans" of a franchise.
I didn't notice Jones putting the team on his back vs the Eagles in the divisional playoff. He saw him poop the bed and flush the team down the toilet.
JonC
There is a reason for the difference.
So did Greg Cosell.
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You hounding Terps accomplishes zero, except make you look small.
Terps is a bad actor. He consistently uses language that trolls the fans of the team on this fan site. I said my peace on Terps but he could change people’s opinion. The two of you have recently had “similar views” on ownership and Jones, you also post a lot, can be very critical of players, yet still respected by most here.
JonC
There is a reason for the difference.
What did I say that hurt your feelings?
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You hounding Terps accomplishes zero, except make you look small.
Terps is a bad actor. He consistently uses language that trolls the fans of the team on this fan site. I said my peace on Terps but he could change people’s opinion. The two of you have recently had “similar views” on ownership and Jones, you also post a lot, can be very critical of players, yet still respected by most here.
JonC
There is a reason for the difference.
What did I say that hurt your feelings?
I'm not interested in softening anything to make you out anyone else here feel better about what a shitshow this team has been. You and others have been indulging in a game of pretend when it comes to what last year was, and what this team has been for years. Sorry that makes you sad, but it's not my fault.
Nobody elected you troll police. To someone who doesn't share your opinion, your thoughts are like fingernails on chalk board, trust me. Doesn't mean I think you're trying to troll me. But I could go there, and say evidence of such is littered all over the board
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Nothing. I think you troll the fans on this site unnecessarily and the evidence is littered all over the board. Just that. Your good opinions are lost settling scores.
I'm not interested in softening anything to make you out anyone else here feel better about what a shitshow this team has been. You and others have been indulging in a game of pretend when it comes to what last year was, and what this team has been for years. Sorry that makes you sad, but it's not my fault.
You are a very small person. When you consider the volume of negativity you spew here, you must be a treasure at home. I know exactly what you are and I pity you.
I am sorry if that makes you sad.