Just now on FOX. Jay Glazer said the tension between the two is real and they are in a bad place. Believes a mutual parting of the ways is coming, he even hinted it might happen in season.
I assume Wilkins would get the interim job. I’m more surprised that Daboll and Kafka aren’t “in a bad place” as the offense has been much worse than the defense.
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There has been tension building between #Giants HC Brian Daboll and DC Wink Martindale and they are in a "bad place," per @JayGlazer. It's to the point where there could be a mutual parting after the season and even potentially during these next weeks of the regular season.
it took for the defense to wake up. Yes new players take time to get with the program, but six weeks is way too long. It could also be with the players Wink kept - Jihad Ward is at least a year past due, to name one.
2007 it took Spags 3 weeks to get the defense going.
I would like to dismiss the report, but things leak out...
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Some writing on the wall about Brian Daboll and Wink Martindale taking conflicting approaches and then plenty of sideline conversations to speculate about, though both have denied friction.
It’s amazing how guys are great coaches one season
And then getting canned the next. And this is not about Wink in particular. It’s about all coaches. Last week we had posters asking if Spags is the best D Cord in the league. We couldn’t get rid of Spags fast enough. Coaches and to some extent QB’s don’t get the chance to figure things out. I guess it’s the nature of instant gratification society.
RE: It’s amazing how guys are great coaches one season
And then getting canned the next. And this is not about Wink in particular. It’s about all coaches. Last week we had posters asking if Spags is the best D Cord in the league. We couldn’t get rid of Spags fast enough. Coaches and to some extent QB’s don’t get the chance to figure things out. I guess it’s the nature of instant gratification society.
To continue on that point if/when Wink is canned and the Jets fire Salah would we have any interest in moving him to East Ruhterford as a D-Cord?
Olsen was highly critical of Wink for playing man to man against the cowboys when the giant deep backs could not in any way match up with cowboy receivers and were burned to the tune of 40+ points twice
- first Wink likes to play how he plays. Man to man in the back, exotic blitzes and pressure up front, sort of a boom or bust approach sometimes. I could Daboll trying to change things and Wink pushing back
- second I wonder if that whole McKinney thing 2 weeks ago played into this The whole thing still strikes me as weird.
Daboll's O has been a disgrace and now it's going to cost Wink - who is easily the best coach in his role on this team.
Remember - Daboll had a bad relationship with McDermott which was the reason Judge could've gotten him as OC instead of Garrett. There are signs he's difficult to work with.
Hoping this doesn't turn into another Belichick tree disaster.
Art Stapleton
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Look no further than how differently Daboll and Wink handled the situation regarding Xavier McKinney's comments a few weeks back. Two different approaches.
We'll see how this plays out.
Pat Leonard
@PLeonardNYDN
Jay is only scratching the surface of dysfunction under Joe Schoen & Brian Daboll with this report.
Meanwhile here on the Giants sideline in wake of that report: Tim McDonnell spoke with Wink Martindale. Then McDonnell filled in John Mara. Then Mara addressed both Schoen and Daboll at the 45 yard line.
Stay tuned.
This is the worst news from this dumpster fire of a season.
Jordan Raanan
@JordanRaanan
You could see some of this festering. Wink Martindale wasn't happy with the whole Xavier McKinney incident. Brian Daboll had McKinney break down the team after last week's win.
To scapegoat the coordinator of the team's best unit for a team that has the 32nd ranked offense would be ridiculous.
very indifferent about this, but Wink’s defense hasn’t been great that I wouldn’t opposed to trying something different. There are too many times this and last year that the defense just can not get past an o-line.
Pat Leonard
@PLeonardNYDN
Jay is only scratching the surface of dysfunction under Joe Schoen & Brian Daboll with this report.
Meanwhile here on the Giants sideline in wake of that report: Tim McDonnell spoke with Wink Martindale. Then McDonnell filled in John Mara. Then Mara addressed both Schoen and Daboll at the 45 yard line.
Stay tuned.
This is the kind of thing that gets head coaches fired around here.
Pat Leonard
@PLeonardNYDN
Jay is only scratching the surface of dysfunction under Joe Schoen & Brian Daboll with this report.
Meanwhile here on the Giants sideline in wake of that report: Tim McDonnell spoke with Wink Martindale. Then McDonnell filled in John Mara. Then Mara addressed both Schoen and Daboll at the 45 yard line.
Stay tuned.
Taking that with a grain of salt because it’s Leonard but yikes if true.
RE: This is the worst news from this dumpster fire of a season.
Pressure and idiots with egos always fuck things up.
Wink works for Daboll. Putting your boss in a difficult situation by not being on the same page with how you communicate things in public regarding players is a big deal.
Sounds legit. Wink butted heads with Harbaugh; not nearly the same history with Daboll. Report of McD talking to Wink and Mara before the game is more disturbing. Put me in the Daboll camp.
Wink has to go, the Giants defense is bad, they seem to be too soft.
mounting that this Schoen/Daboll thing isn't going anywhere.
DJ has regressed this year badly. That's on the offensive coaching. And Wink - an old school DC - is probably been giving them sh#t for sucking so bad.
God, I hope they turn this thing around or it's time to start over again. Keeping these guys in the building simply for continuity's sake isn't the answer.
mounting that this Schoen/Daboll thing isn't going anywhere.
DJ has regressed this year badly. That's on the offensive coaching. And Wink - an old school DC - is probably been giving them sh#t for sucking so bad.
God, I hope they turn this thing around or it's time to start over again. Keeping these guys in the building simply for continuity's sake isn't the answer.
What does this have to do with Joe Schoen?
RE: Wink has to go, the Giants defense is bad, they seem to be too soft.
mounting that this Schoen/Daboll thing isn't going anywhere.
DJ has regressed this year badly. That's on the offensive coaching. And Wink - an old school DC - is probably been giving them sh#t for sucking so bad.
God, I hope they turn this thing around or it's time to start over again. Keeping these guys in the building simply for continuity's sake isn't the answer.
What does this have to do with Joe Schoen?
Because he and Daboll are essentially the same guy. They've made that clear. Package deal.
Jordan Raanan
@JordanRaanan
You could see some of this festering. Wink Martindale wasn't happy with the whole Xavier McKinney incident. Brian Daboll had McKinney break down the team after last week's win.
To scapegoat the coordinator of the team's best unit for a team that has the 32nd ranked offense would be ridiculous.
Is McKinney the defensive captain? The D did have six turnovers last week to help win the game.
Personally, I would have had DeVito do it - first win, 3 TDs, never know when he gets a chance like that again.
RE: RE: Wink has to go, the Giants defense is bad, they seem to be too soft.
Look at what the defense has given up game by game, especially in the 4th qtr. The defense lost the Jets, Buffalo games.
Not sure I would point to two games where the defense allowed 14 and 13 points.
Agreed.
In general if we're pointing to a side of the ball at fault for this season, it's the offense and it isn't close. That side of the ball has been a disgrace.
In a season of bad looks for Daboll, this is another one. What a mess.
RE: RE: This is the worst news from this dumpster fire of a season.
Pressure and idiots with egos always fuck things up.
Wink works for Daboll. Putting your boss in a difficult situation by not being on the same page with how you communicate things in public regarding players is a big deal.
Daboll hasn’t handled anything well this season so I’m including him in the “idiots with egos” category. I think any reasonably knowledgeable person would say Wink has done a good job with this defense during his tenure considering their overall talent deficiency.
I’d rather lack of performance or a disagreement on style of play be the issue rather than this dumb shit.
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I've heard about some philosophical differences, especially personnel at certain times of the game. But, not where they're not talking or anything like that.
Dan Duggan
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I knew there was friction. Didn't realize it had escalated to the point Glazer reported this morning. This coaching staff could look very different after the season
this has been a disasterous season
losing Wink would only make it worse
I have been curious about him. Our cornerbacks have been solid and anyone who has stepped in has been prepared and held up well.
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There has been tension building between #Giants HC Brian Daboll and DC Wink Martindale and they are in a "bad place," per @JayGlazer. It's to the point where there could be a mutual parting after the season and even potentially during these next weeks of the regular season.
2007 it took Spags 3 weeks to get the defense going.
I would like to dismiss the report, but things leak out...
@rydunleavy
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Some writing on the wall about Brian Daboll and Wink Martindale taking conflicting approaches and then plenty of sideline conversations to speculate about, though both have denied friction.
To continue on that point if/when Wink is canned and the Jets fire Salah would we have any interest in moving him to East Ruhterford as a D-Cord?
Frazier was the defensive coordinator when Daboll was OC in Buffalo, and of course he was also a head coach candidate here in 2022.
- second I wonder if that whole McKinney thing 2 weeks ago played into this The whole thing still strikes me as weird.
Unless it's BS.
We'll find out.
https://twitter.com/NFLonFOX/status/1728824887173615778 - ( New Window )
Remember - Daboll had a bad relationship with McDermott which was the reason Judge could've gotten him as OC instead of Garrett. There are signs he's difficult to work with.
Hoping this doesn't turn into another Belichick tree disaster.
@art_stapleton
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Look no further than how differently Daboll and Wink handled the situation regarding Xavier McKinney's comments a few weeks back. Two different approaches.
We'll see how this plays out.
@PLeonardNYDN
Jay is only scratching the surface of dysfunction under Joe Schoen & Brian Daboll with this report.
Meanwhile here on the Giants sideline in wake of that report: Tim McDonnell spoke with Wink Martindale. Then McDonnell filled in John Mara. Then Mara addressed both Schoen and Daboll at the 45 yard line.
Stay tuned.
@JordanRaanan
You could see some of this festering. Wink Martindale wasn't happy with the whole Xavier McKinney incident. Brian Daboll had McKinney break down the team after last week's win.
To scapegoat the coordinator of the team's best unit for a team that has the 32nd ranked offense would be ridiculous.
@PLeonardNYDN
Jay is only scratching the surface of dysfunction under Joe Schoen & Brian Daboll with this report.
Meanwhile here on the Giants sideline in wake of that report: Tim McDonnell spoke with Wink Martindale. Then McDonnell filled in John Mara. Then Mara addressed both Schoen and Daboll at the 45 yard line.
Stay tuned.
This is the kind of thing that gets head coaches fired around here.
Wouldn't it be nice if, for once, the Giants made the right hires and had some sort of organizational consistency?
It's a fucking mess, and it's always worse than it even appears.
@PLeonardNYDN
Jay is only scratching the surface of dysfunction under Joe Schoen & Brian Daboll with this report.
Meanwhile here on the Giants sideline in wake of that report: Tim McDonnell spoke with Wink Martindale. Then McDonnell filled in John Mara. Then Mara addressed both Schoen and Daboll at the 45 yard line.
Stay tuned.
Taking that with a grain of salt because it’s Leonard but yikes if true.
Wink works for Daboll. Putting your boss in a difficult situation by not being on the same page with how you communicate things in public regarding players is a big deal.
DJ has regressed this year badly. That's on the offensive coaching. And Wink - an old school DC - is probably been giving them sh#t for sucking so bad.
God, I hope they turn this thing around or it's time to start over again. Keeping these guys in the building simply for continuity's sake isn't the answer.
Not sure I would point to two games where the defense allowed 14 and 13 points.
DJ has regressed this year badly. That's on the offensive coaching. And Wink - an old school DC - is probably been giving them sh#t for sucking so bad.
God, I hope they turn this thing around or it's time to start over again. Keeping these guys in the building simply for continuity's sake isn't the answer.
What does this have to do with Joe Schoen?
The D lost the Jets and Buffalo games? GTFO with that sh#t. The clock should've run out on the Jets. And the Bills? They allowed 1 TD to Josh Allen.
The ineffective offense is putting too much stress on the D. That's been the case most of the year.
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mounting that this Schoen/Daboll thing isn't going anywhere.
DJ has regressed this year badly. That's on the offensive coaching. And Wink - an old school DC - is probably been giving them sh#t for sucking so bad.
God, I hope they turn this thing around or it's time to start over again. Keeping these guys in the building simply for continuity's sake isn't the answer.
What does this have to do with Joe Schoen?
Because he and Daboll are essentially the same guy. They've made that clear. Package deal.
@JordanRaanan
You could see some of this festering. Wink Martindale wasn't happy with the whole Xavier McKinney incident. Brian Daboll had McKinney break down the team after last week's win.
To scapegoat the coordinator of the team's best unit for a team that has the 32nd ranked offense would be ridiculous.
Is McKinney the defensive captain? The D did have six turnovers last week to help win the game.
Personally, I would have had DeVito do it - first win, 3 TDs, never know when he gets a chance like that again.
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Look at what the defense has given up game by game, especially in the 4th qtr. The defense lost the Jets, Buffalo games.
Not sure I would point to two games where the defense allowed 14 and 13 points.
Agreed.
In general if we're pointing to a side of the ball at fault for this season, it's the offense and it isn't close. That side of the ball has been a disgrace.
In a season of bad looks for Daboll, this is another one. What a mess.
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Pressure and idiots with egos always fuck things up.
Wink works for Daboll. Putting your boss in a difficult situation by not being on the same page with how you communicate things in public regarding players is a big deal.
Daboll hasn’t handled anything well this season so I’m including him in the “idiots with egos” category. I think any reasonably knowledgeable person would say Wink has done a good job with this defense during his tenure considering their overall talent deficiency.
I’d rather lack of performance or a disagreement on style of play be the issue rather than this dumb shit.
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I've heard about some philosophical differences, especially personnel at certain times of the game. But, not where they're not talking or anything like that.
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I knew there was friction. Didn't realize it had escalated to the point Glazer reported this morning. This coaching staff could look very different after the season