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Glazer: Daboll and Wink are in a bad place

Ben in Tampa : 11/26/2023 12:11 pm
Just now on FOX. Jay Glazer said the tension between the two is real and they are in a bad place. Believes a mutual parting of the ways is coming, he even hinted it might happen in season.
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If so  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 11/26/2023 12:13 pm : link
I wonder if Jerome Henderson gets the nod.
wonder what the root problem  
GiantTuff1 : 11/26/2023 12:14 pm : link
is between the two.
In season would be interesting  
Jay on the Island : 11/26/2023 12:14 pm : link
I assume Wilkins would get the interim job. I’m more surprised that Daboll and Kafka aren’t “in a bad place” as the offense has been much worse than the defense.
nooooooooooooooooo  
AROCK1000 : 11/26/2023 12:15 pm : link
please guys find a way to keep the peace
this has been a disasterous season
losing Wink would only make it worse
so what's the tension stem from?  
BillKo : 11/26/2023 12:15 pm : link
Is it Wink pissed at the offense not pulling their weight - or Daboll at how Wink is utilizing the personnel/alignments?
RE: If so  
Giantimistic : 11/26/2023 12:17 pm : link
In comment 16301575 Eric from BBI said:
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I wonder if Jerome Henderson gets the nod.


I have been curious about him. Our cornerbacks have been solid and anyone who has stepped in has been prepared and held up well.
Winks D tried too hard last week  
GiantTuff1 : 11/26/2023 12:18 pm : link
forcing 6 turnovers was the last straw when we are supposed to tank.
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Eric from BBI : Admin : 11/26/2023 12:19 pm : link
Ari Meirov
@MySportsUpdate
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There has been tension building between #Giants HC Brian Daboll and DC Wink Martindale and they are in a "bad place," per @JayGlazer. It's to the point where there could be a mutual parting after the season and even potentially during these next weeks of the regular season.
It could very well be how long  
section125 : 11/26/2023 12:19 pm : link
it took for the defense to wake up. Yes new players take time to get with the program, but six weeks is way too long. It could also be with the players Wink kept - Jihad Ward is at least a year past due, to name one.

2007 it took Spags 3 weeks to get the defense going.

I would like to dismiss the report, but things leak out...
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Eric from BBI : Admin : 11/26/2023 12:19 pm : link
Ryan Dunleavy
@rydunleavy
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Some writing on the wall about Brian Daboll and Wink Martindale taking conflicting approaches and then plenty of sideline conversations to speculate about, though both have denied friction.
It’s amazing how guys are great coaches one season  
BlueHurricane : 11/26/2023 12:23 pm : link
And then getting canned the next. And this is not about Wink in particular. It’s about all coaches. Last week we had posters asking if Spags is the best D Cord in the league. We couldn’t get rid of Spags fast enough. Coaches and to some extent QB’s don’t get the chance to figure things out. I guess it’s the nature of instant gratification society.
RE: It’s amazing how guys are great coaches one season  
BlueHurricane : 11/26/2023 12:25 pm : link
In comment 16301591 BlueHurricane said:
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And then getting canned the next. And this is not about Wink in particular. It’s about all coaches. Last week we had posters asking if Spags is the best D Cord in the league. We couldn’t get rid of Spags fast enough. Coaches and to some extent QB’s don’t get the chance to figure things out. I guess it’s the nature of instant gratification society.


To continue on that point if/when Wink is canned and the Jets fire Salah would we have any interest in moving him to East Ruhterford as a D-Cord?
Greg Olsen  
Hilary : 11/26/2023 12:26 pm : link
Olsen was highly critical of Wink for playing man to man against the cowboys when the giant deep backs could not in any way match up with cowboy receivers and were burned to the tune of 40+ points twice
Wonder if Raiders clean house if Patrick Graham  
GiantTuff1 : 11/26/2023 12:31 pm : link
would be an option.
If true, the saddest news of the season.  
Jerz44 : 11/26/2023 12:32 pm : link
I love Wink and his D
Hilarious to see the Giants beats  
bceagle05 : 11/26/2023 12:33 pm : link
sharing the Glazer video on social media and being completely stunned by it. Kinda thing they should know.
 
ryanmkeane : 11/26/2023 12:34 pm : link
Likely had a lot to do with the fact that Wink pretty much put McKinney on blast in public.
Assuming Daboll is back and Wink is gone  
Ben in Tampa : 11/26/2023 12:35 pm : link
Keep an eye on Leslie Frazier.

Frazier was the defensive coordinator when Daboll was OC in Buffalo, and of course he was also a head coach candidate here in 2022.
Wink seemed like a  
Bill in UT : 11/26/2023 12:36 pm : link
great choice, but I feel like he's been more premise than promise
This is interesting - I like Wink but 2 things stand out to me  
PatersonPlank : 11/26/2023 12:36 pm : link
- first Wink likes to play how he plays. Man to man in the back, exotic blitzes and pressure up front, sort of a boom or bust approach sometimes. I could Daboll trying to change things and Wink pushing back

- second I wonder if that whole McKinney thing 2 weeks ago played into this The whole thing still strikes me as weird.
RE: Hilarious to see the Giants beats  
HBart : 11/26/2023 12:36 pm : link
In comment 16301600 bceagle05 said:
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sharing the Glazer video on social media and being completely stunned by it. Kinda thing they should know.

Unless it's BS.

We'll find out.
Yes because...  
morrison40 : 11/26/2023 12:37 pm : link
IMO, Winks defense results are too inconsistent and the players appear hesitant and confused.
Here is Glazer  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 11/26/2023 12:37 pm : link
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https://twitter.com/NFLonFOX/status/1728824887173615778 - ( New Window )
This sucks.  
mittenedman : 11/26/2023 12:38 pm : link
Daboll's O has been a disgrace and now it's going to cost Wink - who is easily the best coach in his role on this team.

Remember - Daboll had a bad relationship with McDermott which was the reason Judge could've gotten him as OC instead of Garrett. There are signs he's difficult to work with.

Hoping this doesn't turn into another Belichick tree disaster.
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Eric from BBI : Admin : 11/26/2023 12:39 pm : link
Art Stapleton
@art_stapleton
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Look no further than how differently Daboll and Wink handled the situation regarding Xavier McKinney's comments a few weeks back. Two different approaches.
We'll see how this plays out.
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Eric from BBI : Admin : 11/26/2023 12:39 pm : link
Pat Leonard
@PLeonardNYDN
Jay is only scratching the surface of dysfunction under Joe Schoen & Brian Daboll with this report.

Meanwhile here on the Giants sideline in wake of that report: Tim McDonnell spoke with Wink Martindale. Then McDonnell filled in John Mara. Then Mara addressed both Schoen and Daboll at the 45 yard line.

Stay tuned.
This is the worst news from this dumpster fire of a season.  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 11/26/2023 12:40 pm : link
Pressure and idiots with egos always fuck things up.
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Eric from BBI : Admin : 11/26/2023 12:41 pm : link
Jordan Raanan
@JordanRaanan
You could see some of this festering. Wink Martindale wasn't happy with the whole Xavier McKinney incident. Brian Daboll had McKinney break down the team after last week's win.

To scapegoat the coordinator of the team's best unit for a team that has the 32nd ranked offense would be ridiculous.
I feel  
darren in pdx : 11/26/2023 12:41 pm : link
very indifferent about this, but Wink’s defense hasn’t been great that I wouldn’t opposed to trying something different. There are too many times this and last year that the defense just can not get past an o-line.
RE: ...  
Go Terps : 11/26/2023 12:42 pm : link
In comment 16301612 Eric from BBI said:
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Pat Leonard
@PLeonardNYDN
Jay is only scratching the surface of dysfunction under Joe Schoen & Brian Daboll with this report.

Meanwhile here on the Giants sideline in wake of that report: Tim McDonnell spoke with Wink Martindale. Then McDonnell filled in John Mara. Then Mara addressed both Schoen and Daboll at the 45 yard line.

Stay tuned.


This is the kind of thing that gets head coaches fired around here.
darren  
mittenedman : 11/26/2023 12:42 pm : link
Indifferent?

Wouldn't it be nice if, for once, the Giants made the right hires and had some sort of organizational consistency?

It's a fucking mess, and it's always worse than it even appears.
RE: ...  
ajr2456 : 11/26/2023 12:42 pm : link
In comment 16301612 Eric from BBI said:
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Pat Leonard
@PLeonardNYDN
Jay is only scratching the surface of dysfunction under Joe Schoen & Brian Daboll with this report.

Meanwhile here on the Giants sideline in wake of that report: Tim McDonnell spoke with Wink Martindale. Then McDonnell filled in John Mara. Then Mara addressed both Schoen and Daboll at the 45 yard line.

Stay tuned.


Taking that with a grain of salt because it’s Leonard but yikes if true.
RE: This is the worst news from this dumpster fire of a season.  
ryanmkeane : 11/26/2023 12:43 pm : link
In comment 16301614 shockeyisthebest8056 said:
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Pressure and idiots with egos always fuck things up.

Wink works for Daboll. Putting your boss in a difficult situation by not being on the same page with how you communicate things in public regarding players is a big deal.
Well as Wink says" pressure breaks pipes"..  
Blue21 : 11/26/2023 12:43 pm : link
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Just What They Need  
MojoEd : 11/26/2023 12:44 pm : link
Sounds legit. Wink butted heads with Harbaugh; not nearly the same history with Daboll. Report of McD talking to Wink and Mara before the game is more disturbing. Put me in the Daboll camp.
Wink has to go, the Giants defense is bad, they seem to be too soft.  
Jack Stroud : 11/26/2023 12:44 pm : link
Look at what the defense has given up game by game, especially in the 4th qtr. The defense lost the Jets, Buffalo games.
I mean - the evidence is  
mittenedman : 11/26/2023 12:45 pm : link
mounting that this Schoen/Daboll thing isn't going anywhere.

DJ has regressed this year badly. That's on the offensive coaching. And Wink - an old school DC - is probably been giving them sh#t for sucking so bad.

God, I hope they turn this thing around or it's time to start over again. Keeping these guys in the building simply for continuity's sake isn't the answer.
Pat Leonard  
logman : 11/26/2023 12:45 pm : link
shouldn't be trusted to tell you if it's raining and you're both under the same umbrella.
Be nice to stop the run  
GiantsRage2007 : 11/26/2023 12:46 pm : link
Once in a while
RE: Wink has to go, the Giants defense is bad, they seem to be too soft.  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 11/26/2023 12:46 pm : link
In comment 16301625 Jack Stroud said:
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Look at what the defense has given up game by game, especially in the 4th qtr. The defense lost the Jets, Buffalo games.


Not sure I would point to two games where the defense allowed 14 and 13 points.
RE: I mean - the evidence is  
ryanmkeane : 11/26/2023 12:46 pm : link
In comment 16301626 mittenedman said:
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mounting that this Schoen/Daboll thing isn't going anywhere.

DJ has regressed this year badly. That's on the offensive coaching. And Wink - an old school DC - is probably been giving them sh#t for sucking so bad.

God, I hope they turn this thing around or it's time to start over again. Keeping these guys in the building simply for continuity's sake isn't the answer.

What does this have to do with Joe Schoen?
RE: Wink has to go, the Giants defense is bad, they seem to be too soft.  
mittenedman : 11/26/2023 12:46 pm : link
In comment 16301625 Jack Stroud said:
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Look at what the defense has given up game by game, especially in the 4th qtr. The defense lost the Jets, Buffalo games.


The D lost the Jets and Buffalo games? GTFO with that sh#t. The clock should've run out on the Jets. And the Bills? They allowed 1 TD to Josh Allen.

The ineffective offense is putting too much stress on the D. That's been the case most of the year.
RE: RE: I mean - the evidence is  
mittenedman : 11/26/2023 12:47 pm : link
In comment 16301630 ryanmkeane said:
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In comment 16301626 mittenedman said:


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mounting that this Schoen/Daboll thing isn't going anywhere.

DJ has regressed this year badly. That's on the offensive coaching. And Wink - an old school DC - is probably been giving them sh#t for sucking so bad.

God, I hope they turn this thing around or it's time to start over again. Keeping these guys in the building simply for continuity's sake isn't the answer.


What does this have to do with Joe Schoen?


Because he and Daboll are essentially the same guy. They've made that clear. Package deal.
RE: ...  
BillKo : 11/26/2023 12:48 pm : link
In comment 16301615 Eric from BBI said:
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Jordan Raanan
@JordanRaanan
You could see some of this festering. Wink Martindale wasn't happy with the whole Xavier McKinney incident. Brian Daboll had McKinney break down the team after last week's win.

To scapegoat the coordinator of the team's best unit for a team that has the 32nd ranked offense would be ridiculous.


Is McKinney the defensive captain? The D did have six turnovers last week to help win the game.

Personally, I would have had DeVito do it - first win, 3 TDs, never know when he gets a chance like that again.
RE: RE: Wink has to go, the Giants defense is bad, they seem to be too soft.  
Go Terps : 11/26/2023 12:49 pm : link
In comment 16301629 Eric from BBI said:
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In comment 16301625 Jack Stroud said:


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Look at what the defense has given up game by game, especially in the 4th qtr. The defense lost the Jets, Buffalo games.



Not sure I would point to two games where the defense allowed 14 and 13 points.


Agreed.

In general if we're pointing to a side of the ball at fault for this season, it's the offense and it isn't close. That side of the ball has been a disgrace.

In a season of bad looks for Daboll, this is another one. What a mess.
RE: RE: This is the worst news from this dumpster fire of a season.  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 11/26/2023 12:51 pm : link
In comment 16301622 ryanmkeane said:
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In comment 16301614 shockeyisthebest8056 said:


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Pressure and idiots with egos always fuck things up.


Wink works for Daboll. Putting your boss in a difficult situation by not being on the same page with how you communicate things in public regarding players is a big deal.


Daboll hasn’t handled anything well this season so I’m including him in the “idiots with egos” category. I think any reasonably knowledgeable person would say Wink has done a good job with this defense during his tenure considering their overall talent deficiency.

I’d rather lack of performance or a disagreement on style of play be the issue rather than this dumb shit.
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christian : 11/26/2023 12:52 pm : link
LOL. We all know how things go when Cousin Tim gets his hands on things.



Can’t believe we’re back in this spot.  
bceagle05 : 11/26/2023 12:53 pm : link
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Eric from BBI : Admin : 11/26/2023 12:54 pm : link
The Giant Insider Podcast and Newspaper
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I've heard about some philosophical differences, especially personnel at certain times of the game. But, not where they're not talking or anything like that.
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Eric from BBI : Admin : 11/26/2023 12:55 pm : link
Dan Duggan
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I knew there was friction. Didn't realize it had escalated to the point Glazer reported this morning. This coaching staff could look very different after the season
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