Just now on FOX. Jay Glazer said the tension between the two is real and they are in a bad place. Believes a mutual parting of the ways is coming, he even hinted it might happen in season.
Are you freakin serious, The guy with the bend don't break defense. Do you not remember how many times his freakin defense gave up winning drives at the end of games with his passive play calling. Man some people have no memory.
RE: Wink has to go, the Giants defense is bad, they seem to be too soft.
Pat Leonard
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Jay is only scratching the surface of dysfunction under Joe Schoen & Brian Daboll with this report.
Meanwhile here on the Giants sideline in wake of that report: Tim McDonnell spoke with Wink Martindale. Then McDonnell filled in John Mara. Then Mara addressed both Schoen and Daboll at the 45 yard line.
Stay tuned.
Timmy passing notes in home room.
RE: Wink has to go, the Giants defense is bad, they seem to be too soft.
dressing down wink on sideline in cowboys game, people on this site were literally saying there was nothing to see. Just a coach talking to his coordinators
Really excited to get wink. Love an an aggressive that dictates play. One problem I see though is his inability to adjust. It’s one style of defense regardless of personnel or match up.
Let’s also remember this would be the 2nd time he is mutually moving on. I think it’s always good to look at patterns when trying to figure out who’s at fault. It seems like wink might have a problem working with head coaches
But when the offense has been 3 and out as many times as this offense has been, no defense will be great. As bad as this offense has been all year and he wants Winks head. Fix the offense and give wink a chance to do what he does
But it is up to Daboll to keep everyone rowing in the same direction or move someone out if they are a malcontent. He’s the head coach, so getting this situation resolved and keeping the team together is Daboll’s responsibility.
I have continued to believe Daboll will be back next year, but if there is going to be drama with the staff the rest of the year Schoen needs to consider letting him go. This isn’t what you want from a guy coaching at this level.
Do think Wink is too opinionated for someone like Daboll. I am a big fan of his but do understand the situation.
His defenses haven't been consistently great but they've been destroyed by injuries the last season and a half. Look who they played at corner last year and won a playoff game with it. Look who was playing middle linebacker. It was not good yet Wink and the position coaches did a great job.
Curious who is potentially going to join in at DC next. Jerome Henderson makes sense but does Daboll agree.
Really excited to get wink. Love an an aggressive that dictates play. One problem I see though is his inability to adjust. It’s one style of defense regardless of personnel or match up.
Let’s also remember this would be the 2nd time he is mutually moving on. I think it’s always good to look at patterns when trying to figure out who’s at fault. It seems like wink might have a problem working with head coaches
We don't dictate play though. Nobody's scared of this defense.
Except 3rd down defense. Run, pass & scoring they are near the bottom. While there have been some positives in select games, the overall body has been below average. There's plenty of blame to go around, but stop with the defense has been good.... it hasn't
RE: While acknowledging I know nothing of the details here
Pat Leonard
@PLeonardNYDN
Jay is only scratching the surface of dysfunction under Joe Schoen & Brian Daboll with this report.
Meanwhile here on the Giants sideline in wake of that report: Tim McDonnell spoke with Wink Martindale. Then McDonnell filled in John Mara. Then Mara addressed both Schoen and Daboll at the 45 yard line.
Stay tuned.
This is the kind of thing that gets head coaches fired around here.
Yawn.. you chiming in is perfect.. Please, remind us of your brilliance..
Wink was let go by Baltimore two years ago. Baltimore defense has not skipped a beat since he was let go.
The giant defense last year was not that good. The giant defense this year has been even worse despite not really suffering many injuries at all. The talent on paper is better than people think yet it’s been very inconsistent.
The Giants offense has been dreadful this season. But Daboll has a good track record coaching offenses, including last year when he took an under talented unit to the playoffs, finishing with above average numbers.
We won’t miss wink. It’s kind of weird to see people taking Daboll to the woodshed when we don’t know what happened.
Ask yourself why Baltimore let him go. We know Buffalo didn’t want to let Daboll go but it seemed like Baltimore couldn’t care less and they look no worse for wear without wink.
Ps I’d want McKinney back before wink. I know McKinney is above average and can cover. Wink is average at best, by every single metric.
I assume Wilkins would get the interim job. I’m more surprised that Daboll and Kafka aren’t “in a bad place” as the offense has been much worse than the defense.
Maybe Wink blames Daboll for the offense.
RE: RE: Wink has to go, the Giants defense is bad, they seem to be too soft.
Look at what the defense has given up game by game, especially in the 4th qtr. The defense lost the Jets, Buffalo games.
Not sure I would point to two games where the defense allowed 14 and 13 points.
When your offense sucks, it's difficult to get a fair assessment of your defense because opposing offenses play vanilla. It's only if they're trailing in the closing minutes that they open up the playbook, which is something we've seen repeatedly in the past decade or so (the Giants defense playing well most of the game and then they can't get off the field when it counts).
You hounding Terps accomplishes zero, except make you look small.
Really, defending the guy who clearly has a BIAS to his QB "eye" and who disappeared when the team was playing much better.. I guess I am surprised at your defense of him...
You hounding Terps accomplishes zero, except make you look small.
Really, defending the guy who clearly has a BIAS to his QB "eye" and who disappeared when the team was playing much better.. I guess I am surprised at your defense of him...
Are you freakin serious, The guy with the bend don't break defense. Do you not remember how many times his freakin defense gave up winning drives at the end of games with his passive play calling. Man some people have no memory.
It’d be nice if the offense could help out!! You know, get a QB who can score points
@PLeonardNYDN
Jay is only scratching the surface of dysfunction under Joe Schoen & Brian Daboll with this report.
Meanwhile here on the Giants sideline in wake of that report: Tim McDonnell spoke with Wink Martindale. Then McDonnell filled in John Mara. Then Mara addressed both Schoen and Daboll at the 45 yard line.
Stay tuned.
Timmy passing notes in home room.
With your undying support of Daniel Jones and your comment about the defense....... Are you Bobby Johnson's burner!?
#JayKnew
But also gotta look at Harbaugh's parting of ways with Wink. There’s a trend forming here.
I don’t think this looks like a scapegoat situation. I think there are fundamental disagreements with Wink or personality clashes.
Let’s also remember this would be the 2nd time he is mutually moving on. I think it’s always good to look at patterns when trying to figure out who’s at fault. It seems like wink might have a problem working with head coaches
A little more than half way through the season,and you could be hearing "Wink Stinks" at the water cooler.
Things change pretty fast
Jay Glazer doesn’t make things up. Plus, you saw it on the sideline
Interesting timing with the bye coming up.
Daboll has been really poor so perhaps some scapegoating also at play.
On that quick pass to the left
Why? It sucked last year, this year they gave him all the tools he wanted and then some, and it has sucked worse.
His unit hasn't been very good for much of the year until the tackling improved but...
This is a good point but you have to wonder how much their rankings are due to the offense's inability to stay on the field.
I have continued to believe Daboll will be back next year, but if there is going to be drama with the staff the rest of the year Schoen needs to consider letting him go. This isn’t what you want from a guy coaching at this level.
His defenses haven't been consistently great but they've been destroyed by injuries the last season and a half. Look who they played at corner last year and won a playoff game with it. Look who was playing middle linebacker. It was not good yet Wink and the position coaches did a great job.
Curious who is potentially going to join in at DC next. Jerome Henderson makes sense but does Daboll agree.
Let’s also remember this would be the 2nd time he is mutually moving on. I think it’s always good to look at patterns when trying to figure out who’s at fault. It seems like wink might have a problem working with head coaches
We don't dictate play though. Nobody's scared of this defense.
That and we can't defend the screen.
because the offense has been putrid all season.
Winks contract is up at season’s end, I believe.
Guess who may be gone?
Maybe wink?
Frazier was the defensive coordinator when Daboll was OC in Buffalo, and of course he was also a head coach candidate here in 2022.
Good point
My view as well.
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#JayKnew
Pinot for the lady.... - ( New Window )
this has been a disasterous season
losing Wink would only make it worse
I hear you. And yet we hear nothing about McGaughey being in danger of an in season firing. Or for that matter, OG Bobby Johnson....
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Pat Leonard
@PLeonardNYDN
Jay is only scratching the surface of dysfunction under Joe Schoen & Brian Daboll with this report.
Meanwhile here on the Giants sideline in wake of that report: Tim McDonnell spoke with Wink Martindale. Then McDonnell filled in John Mara. Then Mara addressed both Schoen and Daboll at the 45 yard line.
Stay tuned.
This is the kind of thing that gets head coaches fired around here.
Yawn.. you chiming in is perfect.. Please, remind us of your brilliance..
The giant defense last year was not that good. The giant defense this year has been even worse despite not really suffering many injuries at all. The talent on paper is better than people think yet it’s been very inconsistent.
The Giants offense has been dreadful this season. But Daboll has a good track record coaching offenses, including last year when he took an under talented unit to the playoffs, finishing with above average numbers.
We won’t miss wink. It’s kind of weird to see people taking Daboll to the woodshed when we don’t know what happened.
Ask yourself why Baltimore let him go. We know Buffalo didn’t want to let Daboll go but it seemed like Baltimore couldn’t care less and they look no worse for wear without wink.
Ps I’d want McKinney back before wink. I know McKinney is above average and can cover. Wink is average at best, by every single metric.
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Look at what the defense has given up game by game, especially in the 4th qtr. The defense lost the Jets, Buffalo games.
Not sure I would point to two games where the defense allowed 14 and 13 points.
Really, defending the guy who clearly has a BIAS to his QB "eye" and who disappeared when the team was playing much better.. I guess I am surprised at your defense of him...
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You hounding Terps accomplishes zero, except make you look small.
Really, defending the guy who clearly has a BIAS to his QB "eye" and who disappeared when the team was playing much better.. I guess I am surprised at your defense of him...
What bias?