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Eric from BBI : Admin : 11/26/2023 3:56 pm
Not sure that was a win.
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RE: Remaining Games  
guitarguybs12 : 11/26/2023 4:16 pm : link
In comment 16302699 Costy16 said:
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vs Packers
at Saints
at Eagles
vs Rams
vs Eagles

For all of you bitching and moaning about winning today, they likely aren't beating anyone on the remaining schedule.


idk outside of the eagles, anything's with possible the other 3 middling teams
I’d rather these coaches  
mittenedman : 11/26/2023 4:16 pm : link
and Senior Leadership demonstrate they’re the right people for the job than tank.

The #1 pick means jack squat otherwise.
RE: Remaining Games  
MojoEd : 11/26/2023 4:17 pm : link
In comment 16302699 Costy16 said:
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vs Packers
at Saints
at Eagles
vs Rams
vs Eagles

For all of you bitching and moaning about winning today, they likely aren't beating anyone on the remaining schedule.

If Phillie doesn’t need a win in the last week, yeah, the NYG will get another great “win”. Guaranteed.
RE: Remaining Games  
The_Boss : 11/26/2023 4:17 pm : link
In comment 16302699 Costy16 said:
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vs Packers
at Saints
at Eagles
vs Rams
vs Eagles

For all of you bitching and moaning about winning today, they likely aren't beating anyone on the remaining schedule.


Damage has already been done. If daboll and Schoen want Maye or Williams, it’s virtually assured they’ll need to surrender future 1’s to get them.
RE: Looking forward to this win  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 11/26/2023 4:17 pm : link
In comment 16302720 ajr2456 said:
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Carrying over to next year


That’s the craziest part of that nonsense. It doesn’t mean shit the following year. Heck, what the Giants did last season didn’t mean shit this year.

I can understand players and coaches wanting to win, but fans should be able to see the bigger picture.
RE: RE: RE: …  
sb from NYT Forum : 11/26/2023 4:18 pm : link
In comment 16302718 Mdgiantsfan said:
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In comment 16302665 Jim in NH said:


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In comment 16302589 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:


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Mahomes was drafted 10th overall after Mitch. Remember that.


Drew Brees (2nd round 32)
Aaron Rodgers (1st round 24)
Russell Wilson (3rd round 75)
Nick Foles (3rd round 88)

Caleb Williams will bust.
Maye might be good.

NYG have lots of needs. This QB wailing is pathetic.



So you’ll ignore Eli, Peyton, Elway, Marino, etc. all going #1 as evidence that there’s value in taking a franchise QB #1? Heck use Brady as the sample and we should just wait to find our guy in the late rounds.


Marino was drafted in the 20s. The Jets drafted Ken O’Brien instead of him.
RE: So, the Patriot postgame is completely lamenting  
Optimus-NY : 11/26/2023 4:18 pm : link
In comment 16302722 Peter from NH (formerly CT) said:
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The loss. And most here are lamenting the win. Pat fans don’t enjoy losing.


If they don't find a QB for next season, then they had better get used to it.
RE: I’d rather these coaches  
k2tampa : 11/26/2023 4:18 pm : link
In comment 16302730 mittenedman said:
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and Senior Leadership demonstrate they’re the right people for the job than tank.

The #1 pick means jack squat otherwise.


Can we stop using the word tank. Tank means intentionally trying to lose. That is not what anyone here is looking for.
Blame Bobby Skinner  
Wiggy : 11/26/2023 4:18 pm : link
They never lose when he is in the stadium
Daboll sure sounds upbeat and happy in the post game  
Sean : 11/26/2023 4:18 pm : link
It'll be on Schoen/Daboll to figure out QB. As I've always said, it's really hard to go 2-15. You need luck.
I’d be shocked if there is a single person  
UberAlias : 11/26/2023 4:20 pm : link
Who has changed their POV because of something someone else said in this thread. There’s no debate. People will root for the outcome they want and that’s it. There’s no point in trying to convince anyone that their position is wrong. It’s not.
Giants could also be 6-6  
Sean : 11/26/2023 4:20 pm : link
Or 5-7. Or 3-9.

Wasting energy over where the Giants draft in November must be exhausting. It'll be on the regime to figure it out. If they won't, they'll be fired.

The good news? Daboll has not lost the locker room.
After bye  
VintageGiants : 11/26/2023 4:21 pm : link
Any news if Tyrod will be available after he’s off ir?
...  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 11/26/2023 4:21 pm : link
Paul Schwartz
@NYPost_Schwartz
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Brian Daboll says the only disagreement he has had with Wink Martindale is who gets the last piece of pizza.
One of the Pats announcers  
Peter from NH (formerly CT) : 11/26/2023 4:21 pm : link
Cracked himself up calling DeVito- Danny DeVito’s bigger brother. Really classless sh*t. After that I am happy we won.
RE: RE: We gotta draft O-line  
Giantimistic : 11/26/2023 4:22 pm : link
In comment 16302711 Lambuth_Special said:
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In every round for the next decade.

Es but how many were him just playing it safe. We watched 3 awful Patriots interceptions by QBs doing dumb throws.



The sacks today were on DeVito. He doesn’t get the ball on out fast enough and utilize the crossing routes that are open.
...  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 11/26/2023 4:22 pm : link
Charlotte Carroll
@charlottecrrll
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Brian Daboll said the biggest argument he’s had with #giants defensive coordinator Wink Martindale is over the last slice of pizza. Daboll credited his scheming today.

“I’ve got a lot of respect for Wink. Glad he’s on the staff.”
I wanted a win  
djm : 11/26/2023 4:25 pm : link
I laid down on the couch on a cold nasty November day and got a win. And the defense led the way. The qb showed once again he belongs. I will take today and run. Daboll and the giants are showing some stuff and I for one will take that silver lining.

Get to 5-8. Keep this going ,why the hell cant we orchestrate a little late season magic and salvage things. It happens all the time. Why not nyg. Keep it going.

I said it 10 times all week, even if you do believe in dabol before these last two wins, you really needed to see this team pick itself off the mat this season. And they have. This bodes well for the future.
if you trust Daboll and Schoen  
BigBlueCane : 11/26/2023 4:26 pm : link
this was a great win.

if you do not... then this was not good.
RE: RE: We gotta draft O-line  
Percy : 11/26/2023 4:26 pm : link
In comment 16302687 Eric from BBI said:
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In comment 16302666 M.S. said:


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In every round for the next decade.



You mean like Evan Neal and Josh Ezeudu?

Right.
RE: RE: RE: …  
Jim in NH : 11/26/2023 4:26 pm : link
In comment 16302718 Mdgiantsfan said:
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In comment 16302665 Jim in NH said:


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In comment 16302589 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:


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Mahomes was drafted 10th overall after Mitch. Remember that.


Drew Brees (2nd round 32)
Aaron Rodgers (1st round 24)
Russell Wilson (3rd round 75)
Nick Foles (3rd round 88)

Caleb Williams will bust.
Maye might be good.

NYG have lots of needs. This QB wailing is pathetic.



So you’ll ignore Eli, Peyton, Elway, Marino, etc. all going #1 as evidence that there’s value in taking a franchise QB #1? Heck use Brady as the sample and we should just wait to find our guy in the late rounds.


Dan Marino was drafted #27.

RE: RE: …  
k2tampa : 11/26/2023 4:27 pm : link
In comment 16302667 Tim in Eternal Blue said:
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In comment 16302641 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:


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I do love how many assume if we draft top 3, we are getting a stud at QB. Mahomes went 10th. Allen & LJax went in the 20s.



Allen went 7th overall. Which is where we are slated, at the moment.


Sure, but the top 6 teams in that draft were not looking for QBs. The Bears will or trade the pick to someone who is. The Cardinals will. The Patriots will. The Commanders will. The Jets will. So right now four of the five teams in front of the Giants will want a QB. And the fifth is the Bears, who might want one. The Bucs will, but they have the Jets and Carolina, so they would likely have to jump the Giants.

Then you have the Saints, Raiders, Falcons and maybe Broncos who will all likely be interested in trading up for a QB. There are a lot more teams desperate for QBs this year than in 2018.
Not exactly  
Lines of Scrimmage : 11/26/2023 4:28 pm : link
one of the more entertaining games to watch with a shank at the end.
RE: if you trust Daboll and Schoen  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 11/26/2023 4:29 pm : link
In comment 16302795 BigBlueCane said:
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this was a great win.

if you do not... then this was not good.


I’d rather trust them with Caleb than trust them with Bo Nix.
RE: Remaining Games  
MotownGIANTS : 11/26/2023 4:29 pm : link
In comment 16302699 Costy16 said:
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vs Packers
at Saints
at Eagles
vs Rams
vs Eagles

For all of you bitching and moaning about winning today, they likely aren't beating anyone on the remaining schedule.



Exactly ....
RE: RE: Looking forward to this win  
djm : 11/26/2023 4:30 pm : link
In comment 16302738 shockeyisthebest8056 said:
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In comment 16302720 ajr2456 said:


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Carrying over to next year



That’s the craziest part of that nonsense. It doesn’t mean shit the following year. Heck, what the Giants did last season didn’t mean shit this year.

I can understand players and coaches wanting to win, but fans should be able to see the bigger picture.



We can play this debate all day long. You’re right these wins don’t apply to next season, but if you’re gonna sit here and tell me that going 3-14 or 2-15 isn’t concerning or isn’t a bad sign that the staff in place is overmatched, I don’t know what to tell you.


If you wanna believe in dabol, you need to see wins here. Don’t tell me that you’d be a firm believer in the staff if they went 2-15 this season and lost to the dregs of the nfl along the way. That’s just insane.


Also, the season isn’t over yet. You telling me if this team gets the six and eight, and you have a faint glimmer of playoff hope, you’re gonna be mad?

Win next week.
I want to be able to get our QB as much as anyone..  
DefenseWins : 11/26/2023 4:30 pm : link
but the idea that the team (owners, coaches and players) are going to intentionally lose the rest of the games so we can get a high pick is absolutely ridiculous.

The players and coaches are going to do everything they can to keep their jobs.

Fans who think that Daboll and Schoen are talking behind a closed door about losing so they can get a QB are just fucking stupid.

If we end up picking 7th, then we will just have to give up more to move up and get our guy. That's it..

RE: Remaining Games  
k2tampa : 11/26/2023 4:30 pm : link
In comment 16302699 Costy16 said:
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vs Packers
at Saints
at Eagles
vs Rams
vs Eagles

For all of you bitching and moaning about winning today, they likely aren't beating anyone on the remaining schedule.


Doesn't matter. Today's win was the key to the draft possibilities. Which of the five teams ahead of the Giants will get to 5 wins? Maybe the Bears. And the Jets could jump ahead based on strength of schedule.

RE: I wanted a win  
Sean : 11/26/2023 4:30 pm : link
In comment 16302786 djm said:
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I laid down on the couch on a cold nasty November day and got a win. And the defense led the way. The qb showed once again he belongs. I will take today and run. Daboll and the giants are showing some stuff and I for one will take that silver lining.

Get to 5-8. Keep this going ,why the hell cant we orchestrate a little late season magic and salvage things. It happens all the time. Why not nyg. Keep it going.

I said it 10 times all week, even if you do believe in dabol before these last two wins, you really needed to see this team pick itself off the mat this season. And they have. This bodes well for the future.

Well said. The Giants need a coach who can have some stability. Going 2-15 would have gotten him fired.
RE: RE: Remaining Games  
DonnieD89 : 11/26/2023 4:32 pm : link
In comment 16302812 MotownGIANTS said:
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In comment 16302699 Costy16 said:


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vs Packers
at Saints
at Eagles
vs Rams
vs Eagles

For all of you bitching and moaning about winning today, they likely aren't beating anyone on the remaining schedule.




Exactly ....


Yep…. Giants will be top five pick. The only chance they have in winning is the Rams game and that is stretching it.
I’ll ask again  
djm : 11/26/2023 4:32 pm : link
When’s the last time you saw a second year head coach go two and 15 or three and 14 and rebound to become a prolific winner on that same team.

It rarely happens. Why? Because going 3-14 usually means you (HC) fucking blow.
RE: RE: I'd rather have Jaylen Daniels  
Toth029 : 11/26/2023 4:33 pm : link
In comment 16302713 shockeyisthebest8056 said:
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In comment 16302695 Paulie Walnuts said:


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At 7 or Penix than tank



The point is Jayden Daniels isn’t dropping to 7.


How do you know? And why can't the Giants use those four top 100 picks to maneuver up?
RE: RE: …  
Sec 103 : 11/26/2023 4:33 pm : link
In comment 16302665 Jim in NH said:
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In comment 16302589 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:


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Mahomes was drafted 10th overall after Mitch. Remember that.


Drew Brees (2nd round 32)
Aaron Rodgers (1st round 24)
Russell Wilson (3rd round 75)
Nick Foles (3rd round 88)

Caleb Williams will bust.
Maye might be good.

NYG have lots of needs. This QB wailing is pathetic.


Great post
Caleb  
BigBlueCane : 11/26/2023 4:33 pm : link
ain't a fit in NYG, Nix and Maye were and are.

Daniels and McCarthy are the wild cards.
RE: RE: Remaining Games  
shyster : 11/26/2023 4:34 pm : link
In comment 16302812 MotownGIANTS said:
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In comment 16302699 Costy16 said:


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vs Packers
at Saints
at Eagles
vs Rams
vs Eagles

For all of you bitching and moaning about winning today, they likely aren't beating anyone on the remaining schedule.


Exactly ....


Rams currently have 4 wins. They easily could be out of it Week 17 and flying across the country for a game they don't care about.

As for the Eagles, unless they lose two of their next three games, they're most likely not going to be playing starters Week 18.
Oh  
djm : 11/26/2023 4:34 pm : link
So no way in hell they can beat GB???

They nearly beat Buffalo who is better.

Giants are home and playing halfway decent. They can win next week. Sorry guys. Hate to give you bad news..
Let's put it this way  
Sean : 11/26/2023 4:35 pm : link
The wins last season are likely to be more costly than any win this season down the stretch.
RE: if you trust Daboll and Schoen  
k2tampa : 11/26/2023 4:35 pm : link
In comment 16302795 BigBlueCane said:
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this was a great win.

if you do not... then this was not good.


Great win? Outgained by a 2-win team that missed a 35 yard field goal at the end to send it to overtime? Yeah, it's right up there with upsetting the undefeated Patriots in the Super Bowl.
Daboll isn’t / wasn’t going anywhere  
Dnew15 : 11/26/2023 4:36 pm : link
Why are people straight making that up???

Dude is coming off a season where he was named NFL coach of the year and is down to his 3rd string QB.

He isn’t / wasn’t going anywhere.
RE: ...  
Optimus-NY : 11/26/2023 4:37 pm : link
In comment 16302763 Eric from BBI said:
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Paul Schwartz
@NYPost_Schwartz
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1m
Brian Daboll says the only disagreement he has had with Wink Martindale is who gets the last piece of pizza.


That is funny, lmao.
RE: RE: I wanted a win  
HBart : 11/26/2023 4:37 pm : link
In comment 16302820 Sean said:
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In comment 16302786 djm said:


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I laid down on the couch on a cold nasty November day and got a win. And the defense led the way. The qb showed once again he belongs. I will take today and run. Daboll and the giants are showing some stuff and I for one will take that silver lining.

Get to 5-8. Keep this going ,why the hell cant we orchestrate a little late season magic and salvage things. It happens all the time. Why not nyg. Keep it going.

I said it 10 times all week, even if you do believe in dabol before these last two wins, you really needed to see this team pick itself off the mat this season. And they have. This bodes well for the future.


Well said. The Giants need a coach who can have some stability. Going 2-15 would have gotten him fired.

Same people rooting for a loss would be lambasting Daboll for losing the game. They were also probably the same people saying it would be an ugly loss because of BB against DeVito.
RE: RE: RE: Looking forward to this win  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 11/26/2023 4:38 pm : link
In comment 16302814 djm said:
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We can play this debate all day long. You’re right these wins don’t apply to next season, but if you’re gonna sit here and tell me that going 3-14 or 2-15 isn’t concerning or isn’t a bad sign that the staff in place is overmatched, I don’t know what to tell you.


If you wanna believe in dabol, you need to see wins here. Don’t tell me that you’d be a firm believer in the staff if they went 2-15 this season and lost to the dregs of the nfl along the way. That’s just insane.


Also, the season isn’t over yet. You telling me if this team gets the six and eight, and you have a faint glimmer of playoff hope, you’re gonna be mad?

Win next week.


Playoffs??!?!!!!!!!!! [Jim Mora GIF/] You can’t be serious. The Giants were outgained today by those two horrendous quarterbacks.

So people believe in the staff because the trio of Sam Howell, Mac Jones, and Bailey Zappe spent 8 quarters handing the Giants the football? These games aren’t indicative of anything. The Giants just made less mistakes and won against atrocious opponents. That’s it.
RE: RE: RE: RE: …  
k2tampa : 11/26/2023 4:39 pm : link
In comment 16302799 Jim in NH said:
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In comment 16302718 Mdgiantsfan said:


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In comment 16302665 Jim in NH said:


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In comment 16302589 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:


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Mahomes was drafted 10th overall after Mitch. Remember that.


Drew Brees (2nd round 32)
Aaron Rodgers (1st round 24)
Russell Wilson (3rd round 75)
Nick Foles (3rd round 88)

Caleb Williams will bust.
Maye might be good.

NYG have lots of needs. This QB wailing is pathetic.



So you’ll ignore Eli, Peyton, Elway, Marino, etc. all going #1 as evidence that there’s value in taking a franchise QB #1? Heck use Brady as the sample and we should just wait to find our guy in the late rounds.



Dan Marino was drafted #27.


This gets really old. Lets go through the last 30 years of NFL drafts and see how many QBs picked in the top 5 have become franchise QBs compared to guys picked in the last 15 picks of the first round or later. Heck, Bart Star was drafted in the 17th round, so let's just keep signing undrafted free agents.
RE: Daboll isn’t / wasn’t going anywhere  
Sean : 11/26/2023 4:39 pm : link
In comment 16302845 Dnew15 said:
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Why are people straight making that up???

Dude is coming off a season where he was named NFL coach of the year and is down to his 3rd string QB.

He isn’t / wasn’t going anywhere.

Going 2-15 would show Daboll is incompetent and lost the locker room. I'd want him fired if he went 2-15.
You are literally making that up  
Dnew15 : 11/26/2023 4:40 pm : link
To justify your stance.
RE: RE: RE: …  
Mike from Ohio : 11/26/2023 4:42 pm : link
In comment 16302829 Sec 103 said:
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In comment 16302665 Jim in NH said:


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In comment 16302589 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:


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Mahomes was drafted 10th overall after Mitch. Remember that.


Drew Brees (2nd round 32)
Aaron Rodgers (1st round 24)
Russell Wilson (3rd round 75)
Nick Foles (3rd round 88)

Caleb Williams will bust.
Maye might be good.

NYG have lots of needs. This QB wailing is pathetic.



Great post


Why is wanting a QB wailing, while wanting Oline help isn’t? Both positions are well below NFL average. Both need to be fixed immediately before this team can win consistently.

You aren’t a hero for wanting the team to draft a different position.
RE: RE: RE: I'd rather have Jaylen Daniels  
k2tampa : 11/26/2023 4:42 pm : link
In comment 16302828 Toth029 said:
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In comment 16302713 shockeyisthebest8056 said:


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In comment 16302695 Paulie Walnuts said:


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At 7 or Penix than tank



The point is Jayden Daniels isn’t dropping to 7.



How do you know? And why can't the Giants use those four top 100 picks to maneuver up?


No one is going to trade down unless they get this AND next year's firsts - to start. Virtually every team ahead of the Giants is going to be looking for a QB. The asking prices will be extremely high this year.
I’d be ok with moving down in the draft order if  
Metnut : 11/26/2023 4:42 pm : link
the team actually showed some type of sustainable improvement that could carry on to next year. Instead, they’ve won two awful games versus two other awful teams. The Giants we’ve seen the past two weeks will still likely get obliterated versus any good team.

We’ve lost very valuable draft position and gained nothing of value.
Cry about the win losers  
OBJ_AllDay : 11/26/2023 4:43 pm : link
I’ll take it.
If we needed them to miss that FG to make  
SirLoinOfBeef : 11/26/2023 4:44 pm : link
the playoffs, he would have nailed it from 65 yards.

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