Play that out. The Giants would purposefully put out information that would tell the public what they plan to do in the draft just to get fan “buy-in?”
Mara came out and said what he said during negotiations because he through he was helping. Same thing as when he thought he was helping when he publicly called out the coaches for not seeing the brilliance of Jerrel Jernigan, or claimed the team was fixed after last season.
John Mara says stupid things because he doesn’t understand football and he is not a football guy. He is not an evil genius running a Machiavellian scheme behind the scenes. Nothing in his history with this franchise would suggest that.
I'm not suggesting any of this is genius. I'm suggesting this is all borne out of abject stupidity and a need to be liked. I think it's going to be important to Mara that the Giants aren't booed when and after they announce they're drafting something other than a QB in round one.
I'm trying to see this through Mara's eyes. None of this is what I would do. If I were running the Giants Jones would never put the uniform on again.
If you look at mock drafts, there's 5-6 QB's going in the first round. This idea that we're doomed and can't still get a QB is stupid. NFL teams have no clue how to draft QB's too so we don't need the 1st or 2nd overall to get a good one. Obviously it'd be most ideal to guarantee ourselves the QB of choice but not sure that was ever realistic.
again, are you happy the Giants won today or are you mad?
I am happy they won, but I also realize it was not in the best interest of the team. I understand that what I root for doesn’t influence the outcome of the game.
But if I was disappointed that they won a game in a lost year that may make winning int he future more difficult , should I stop being a fan? Why would me caring more about the long term future of this team than the short term future make me less “worthy” of being a fan?
Again, why do you determine who should and should not be a Giants fan? How delusional are you that that is your role or that you are in any way qualified to decide that?
again, are you happy the Giants won today or are you mad?
I have been bleeding with and cheering for this team since you were nothing more than a 2am drunk dial. You aren’t going to tell me or anyone else who should and not be fans of this team you pompous little shit.
We’ve seen time and time again that draft picks or players are not guaranteed to be good. Everyone was pissed about Chase Young and then some were pissed we passed on Darnold or Rosen.
And that is this: they're on the hook for a lot of money to Jones next season. Drafting a QB high in round one would make them look very, very stupid.
Lol. Drafting a QB in round 1 would show they realized they made a mistake and are trying to fix it.
All you’re doing is bitching for the sake of bitching. You’re going to whine if they run it back with Jones and take a WR (or whatever non QB) and you’ll also whine if they take a QB.
And that is this: they're on the hook for a lot of money to Jones next season. Drafting a QB high in round one would make them look very, very stupid.
Lol. Drafting a QB in round 1 would show they realized they made a mistake and are trying to fix it.
All you’re doing is bitching for the sake of bitching. You’re going to whine if they run it back with Jones and take a WR (or whatever non QB) and you’ll also whine if they take a QB.
You’re ridiculous.
I'm going to keep bitching about the mistake they made because it was that stupid. You had to be a moron to think paying Jones was a good idea, and the cost of that error will impact next year and the year after if they decide to move on. If they don't decide to move on, it impacts them as well.
They deserve to have their feet continually held to the fire for paying a backup level player $160M over 4 years.
Any reporter with their salt will blowtorch ownership and the front office for this all offseason.
The Giants pick too low to get Williams, Maye, or Daniels, so Schoen trades up for Bo Nix. BBI would just explode.
Schoen is going to zero in on a particular QB, one that he really believes in. I don't believe it will be Bo Nix, but I could be mistaken.
Having a high draft pick reduces the draft cost of getting that QB, i.e. not having to trade picks to move up the board.
We’ve seen time and time again that draft picks or players are not guaranteed to be good. Everyone was pissed about Chase Young and then some were pissed we passed on Darnold or Rosen.
So draft position doesn’t matter? I wonder why teams trade up? Are all teams, including the Giants, dumber than you because they think draft position matters?
Two things can be true at once, Ryan. Draft picks bust, and it is better to be able to pick who you want as opposed to who is left when it is your pick.
Obviously drafting higher is better. Point is - I’d rather see development of the team and the young guys play well vs us be a complete laughingstock. It doesn’t guarantee you anything.
He played well today . More turnovers from the D. I don’t root for losses . But others can. That’s their decision as fans. DeVito is trying to win a game for his team and you. He’s shown he belongs in the league .
As far as the draft. 5-12 is going to give you a chance to get a very good player . The extra second might get the QB you desire . But word of caution : every college QB that you mention, has to date played against minor league football . DeVito has been playing against major league and in my opinion he’s done just as well as the number 1 pick in last year’s draft . In similar circumstances .
Mike - you continue to not understand my point. Have a nice night.
And you continue to tell everyone how to think and feel. I don’t know why you can’t understand how offensive and stupid that is, but I guess you can’t learn that.
If you look at mock drafts, there's 5-6 QB's going in the first round. This idea that we're doomed and can't still get a QB is stupid. NFL teams have no clue how to draft QB's too so we don't need the 1st or 2nd overall to get a good one. Obviously it'd be most ideal to guarantee ourselves the QB of choice but not sure that was ever realistic.
It’s not getting A QB. It’s getting THE QB. And again, if Schoen sees it as I do, it’s Maye/Williams, then everybody else. We now likely need to trade the farm to get either of those 2.
Because he’s hoping they don’t find Jones’ replacement so he can still be right
Again, missing the point completely and still being a complete asshole everything.
Pot meet kettle.
Who doesn’t remember you mocking posters less than a year ago with “Jones is going to be the QB for a long time, deal with it”. Only for them to be looking for his replacement. Notice there was no denial. Your point is you don’t want a QB so you’re actively rooting against the betterment of the franchise so that you can hope to be right about Daniel Jones. Being a Daniel Jones fan first and a Giants fan second makes you a shitty fan. See how it can work both ways?
ajr - your obsession with everything I say or do has gotten to the point of absurdity and you bring nothing to these conversations.
The fact that you think I’m a Daniel Jones fan first and then a Giants fan not only makes you a complete idiot but it just makes you look so petty. Just stop. Shut the fuck up about it.
And that is this: they're on the hook for a lot of money to Jones next season. Drafting a QB high in round one would make them look very, very stupid.
Lol. Drafting a QB in round 1 would show they realized they made a mistake and are trying to fix it.
All you’re doing is bitching for the sake of bitching. You’re going to whine if they run it back with Jones and take a WR (or whatever non QB) and you’ll also whine if they take a QB.
You’re ridiculous.
I'm going to keep bitching about the mistake they made because it was that stupid. You had to be a moron to think paying Jones was a good idea, and the cost of that error will impact next year and the year after if they decide to move on. If they don't decide to move on, it impacts them as well.
They deserve to have their feet continually held to the fire for paying a backup level player $160M over 4 years.
Any reporter with their salt will blowtorch ownership and the front office for this all offseason.
JFC! You think the mistake was THAT stupid and you’ll “continue to bitch about it”. yet a few weeks ago you also said daboll/schoen were “part of the solution”.
If they made such a bad decision about the guy who plays the most important position on the field, how on earth could you possibly trust them to be part of the solution?
And that is this: they're on the hook for a lot of money to Jones next season. Drafting a QB high in round one would make them look very, very stupid.
Lol. Drafting a QB in round 1 would show they realized they made a mistake and are trying to fix it.
All you’re doing is bitching for the sake of bitching. You’re going to whine if they run it back with Jones and take a WR (or whatever non QB) and you’ll also whine if they take a QB.
You’re ridiculous.
I'm going to keep bitching about the mistake they made because it was that stupid. You had to be a moron to think paying Jones was a good idea, and the cost of that error will impact next year and the year after if they decide to move on. If they don't decide to move on, it impacts them as well.
They deserve to have their feet continually held to the fire for paying a backup level player $160M over 4 years.
Any reporter with their salt will blowtorch ownership and the front office for this all offseason.
JFC! You think the mistake was THAT stupid and you’ll “continue to bitch about it”. yet a few weeks ago you also said daboll/schoen were “part of the solution”.
If they made such a bad decision about the guy who plays the most important position on the field, how on earth could you possibly trust them to be part of the solution?
You’re the one obsessed with me. You’ve made up that I’m not a real Giants fan, and that I’ve disappeared from the board when the Giants are winning.
So you can call people shitty fans but saying you’re a Daniel Jones fan first makes me the idiot?
Do you see how stupid and hypocritical you sound? Youre everything you accuse everyone else of being. You’ve spent the better part of 5 years telling people how they should feel and acting like you’re some superior fan. You’re too dense to even realize most of the time I’m just flipping around how you act towards people and throwing it back on you. You constantly make shit up and then claim everyone is obsessed with you when they point out you’re wrong.
For the betterment of the board, get a fucking mirror and pull your head out of your ass.
Dnew. I’m talking about fans rooting for losses. Not teams actively tanking.
So you think that Jets and Browns fans are the only two teams that have a fan base that rooted for their teams to lose to improve their draft slot being that the season was shot?
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I do love how many assume if we draft top 3, we are getting a stud at QB. Mahomes went 10th. Allen & LJax went in the 20s.
Zach Wilson went #2.
Literally nobody is suggesting what SFGF said. Picking 2nd means only that Schoen and Daboll have a great shot at getting exactly who they want without trading away a haul of draft picks. It doesn’t mean that guy will be a superstar.
It’s not about the fact that if you’re top 5 or top 3 or top 1 you get a slam dunk, grand slam franchise altering QB… the draft (especially at the QB position) always comes with risk.
It’s about the fact that since the Giants will be presumably in the draft QB market they control their own fate sitting as close to the top of the draft as possible. They get to take “their guy” and not gamble more assets to get him.
I like that option a lot more than HOPING he falls to them.
We all seem to agree that this team has lots of holes - wouldn’t you rather keep those added draft picks AND give Schoen/Daboll their pick of the QBs???
I am surprised how many people here only watch the Giants and have no idea what happens in football outside of whether the Giants won or lost.
I have seen some posters suggest that the percentage of top 5 QB selections who were not good suggest you should therefore never select a QB in the top 5. We also have posters who suggest you should just pick offensive linemen because that is a safe pick who will solve the line problems, despite our own experiences with that. There are even a few who (seriously)don’t want to draft certain positions from certain college programs because other players at that position 30 years ago were not good, as if a witch put a hex on it.
This site needs an ignore feature so you can block out the emotional football shut ins from people who want to talk football.
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The sherif of the thought police is back
Go root for another team dude. In all seriousness
The dumbest thing a fan can post, and this guy posts it constantly.
Mara came out and said what he said during negotiations because he through he was helping. Same thing as when he thought he was helping when he publicly called out the coaches for not seeing the brilliance of Jerrel Jernigan, or claimed the team was fixed after last season.
John Mara says stupid things because he doesn’t understand football and he is not a football guy. He is not an evil genius running a Machiavellian scheme behind the scenes. Nothing in his history with this franchise would suggest that.
I'm not suggesting any of this is genius. I'm suggesting this is all borne out of abject stupidity and a need to be liked. I think it's going to be important to Mara that the Giants aren't booed when and after they announce they're drafting something other than a QB in round one.
I'm trying to see this through Mara's eyes. None of this is what I would do. If I were running the Giants Jones would never put the uniform on again.
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The sherif of the thought police is back
Go root for another team dude. In all seriousness
I’ll root for the team I spend thousands of dollars on a year. You can eat a dick.
Nobody cares how you spend your money.
Nobody cares how you spend your money.
Wait I’m not a better fan than anyone else because I pay for season tickets? I thought that’s how it worked??
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Nobody cares how you spend your money.
Wait I’m not a better fan than anyone else because I pay for season tickets? I thought that’s how it worked??
Sorry to burst your bubble.
I am happy they won, but I also realize it was not in the best interest of the team. I understand that what I root for doesn’t influence the outcome of the game.
But if I was disappointed that they won a game in a lost year that may make winning int he future more difficult , should I stop being a fan? Why would me caring more about the long term future of this team than the short term future make me less “worthy” of being a fan?
Again, why do you determine who should and should not be a Giants fan? How delusional are you that that is your role or that you are in any way qualified to decide that?
I have been bleeding with and cheering for this team since you were nothing more than a 2am drunk dial. You aren’t going to tell me or anyone else who should and not be fans of this team you pompous little shit.
Lol. Drafting a QB in round 1 would show they realized they made a mistake and are trying to fix it.
All you’re doing is bitching for the sake of bitching. You’re going to whine if they run it back with Jones and take a WR (or whatever non QB) and you’ll also whine if they take a QB.
You’re ridiculous.
The Giants pick too low to get Williams, Maye, or Daniels, so Schoen trades up for Bo Nix. BBI would just explode.
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I do love how many assume if we draft top 3, we are getting a stud at QB. Mahomes went 10th. Allen & LJax went in the 20s.
Pretty much my thoughts.
If by Allen, you mean Josh Allen, he was drafted seventh. And he should have been drafted by us, and instead DG drafted Barkley.
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And that is this: they're on the hook for a lot of money to Jones next season. Drafting a QB high in round one would make them look very, very stupid.
Lol. Drafting a QB in round 1 would show they realized they made a mistake and are trying to fix it.
All you’re doing is bitching for the sake of bitching. You’re going to whine if they run it back with Jones and take a WR (or whatever non QB) and you’ll also whine if they take a QB.
You’re ridiculous.
I'm going to keep bitching about the mistake they made because it was that stupid. You had to be a moron to think paying Jones was a good idea, and the cost of that error will impact next year and the year after if they decide to move on. If they don't decide to move on, it impacts them as well.
They deserve to have their feet continually held to the fire for paying a backup level player $160M over 4 years.
Any reporter with their salt will blowtorch ownership and the front office for this all offseason.
The Giants pick too low to get Williams, Maye, or Daniels, so Schoen trades up for Bo Nix. BBI would just explode.
Schoen is going to zero in on a particular QB, one that he really believes in. I don't believe it will be Bo Nix, but I could be mistaken.
Having a high draft pick reduces the draft cost of getting that QB, i.e. not having to trade picks to move up the board.
So draft position doesn’t matter? I wonder why teams trade up? Are all teams, including the Giants, dumber than you because they think draft position matters?
Two things can be true at once, Ryan. Draft picks bust, and it is better to be able to pick who you want as opposed to who is left when it is your pick.
I think some fans would be miserable no matter what. Why these fans choose to watch the Giants now is beyond me.
As far as the draft. 5-12 is going to give you a chance to get a very good player . The extra second might get the QB you desire . But word of caution : every college QB that you mention, has to date played against minor league football . DeVito has been playing against major league and in my opinion he’s done just as well as the number 1 pick in last year’s draft . In similar circumstances .
I don’t find that surprising at all. You have been a big supporter of this team remaining mediocre if it means never admitting they made a mistake.
And you continue to tell everyone how to think and feel. I don’t know why you can’t understand how offensive and stupid that is, but I guess you can’t learn that.
Have a good night.
It’s not getting A QB. It’s getting THE QB. And again, if Schoen sees it as I do, it’s Maye/Williams, then everybody else. We now likely need to trade the farm to get either of those 2.
I’m saying that rooting for losses is loser type shit. That’s my opinion. And that opinion is shared by a lot on this board.
If you root for losses, that makes you a shitty fan. That’s my opinion. Get over it already
Again, missing the point completely and still being a complete asshole everything.
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Because he’s hoping they don’t find Jones’ replacement so he can still be right
Again, missing the point completely and still being a complete asshole everything.
Pot meet kettle.
Who doesn’t remember you mocking posters less than a year ago with “Jones is going to be the QB for a long time, deal with it”. Only for them to be looking for his replacement. Notice there was no denial. Your point is you don’t want a QB so you’re actively rooting against the betterment of the franchise so that you can hope to be right about Daniel Jones. Being a Daniel Jones fan first and a Giants fan second makes you a shitty fan. See how it can work both ways?
The fact that you think I’m a Daniel Jones fan first and then a Giants fan not only makes you a complete idiot but it just makes you look so petty. Just stop. Shut the fuck up about it.
I’m saying that rooting for losses is loser type shit. That’s my opinion. And that opinion is shared by a lot on this board.
If you root for losses, that makes you a shitty fan. That’s my opinion. Get over it already
And telling people how to be a fan makes you a shitty fan. I guess this board has a lot of really shitty fans, including you. Just my opinion.
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And that is this: they're on the hook for a lot of money to Jones next season. Drafting a QB high in round one would make them look very, very stupid.
Lol. Drafting a QB in round 1 would show they realized they made a mistake and are trying to fix it.
All you’re doing is bitching for the sake of bitching. You’re going to whine if they run it back with Jones and take a WR (or whatever non QB) and you’ll also whine if they take a QB.
You’re ridiculous.
I'm going to keep bitching about the mistake they made because it was that stupid. You had to be a moron to think paying Jones was a good idea, and the cost of that error will impact next year and the year after if they decide to move on. If they don't decide to move on, it impacts them as well.
They deserve to have their feet continually held to the fire for paying a backup level player $160M over 4 years.
Any reporter with their salt will blowtorch ownership and the front office for this all offseason.
JFC! You think the mistake was THAT stupid and you’ll “continue to bitch about it”. yet a few weeks ago you also said daboll/schoen were “part of the solution”.
If they made such a bad decision about the guy who plays the most important position on the field, how on earth could you possibly trust them to be part of the solution?
Wait …
When did this happen - I don’t remember either of these franchises purposely losing games … did I miss something???
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And that is this: they're on the hook for a lot of money to Jones next season. Drafting a QB high in round one would make them look very, very stupid.
Lol. Drafting a QB in round 1 would show they realized they made a mistake and are trying to fix it.
All you’re doing is bitching for the sake of bitching. You’re going to whine if they run it back with Jones and take a WR (or whatever non QB) and you’ll also whine if they take a QB.
You’re ridiculous.
I'm going to keep bitching about the mistake they made because it was that stupid. You had to be a moron to think paying Jones was a good idea, and the cost of that error will impact next year and the year after if they decide to move on. If they don't decide to move on, it impacts them as well.
They deserve to have their feet continually held to the fire for paying a backup level player $160M over 4 years.
Any reporter with their salt will blowtorch ownership and the front office for this all offseason.
JFC! You think the mistake was THAT stupid and you’ll “continue to bitch about it”. yet a few weeks ago you also said daboll/schoen were “part of the solution”.
If they made such a bad decision about the guy who plays the most important position on the field, how on earth could you possibly trust them to be part of the solution?
I'll admit my trust is eroding.
So you can call people shitty fans but saying you’re a Daniel Jones fan first makes me the idiot?
Do you see how stupid and hypocritical you sound? Youre everything you accuse everyone else of being. You’ve spent the better part of 5 years telling people how they should feel and acting like you’re some superior fan. You’re too dense to even realize most of the time I’m just flipping around how you act towards people and throwing it back on you. You constantly make shit up and then claim everyone is obsessed with you when they point out you’re wrong.
For the betterment of the board, get a fucking mirror and pull your head out of your ass.
So you think that Jets and Browns fans are the only two teams that have a fan base that rooted for their teams to lose to improve their draft slot being that the season was shot?
I'll admit my trust is eroding.
The decision to sign Jones was made in March, so why would your trust only erode in the last few weeks?
Zach Wilson went #2.
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I do love how many assume if we draft top 3, we are getting a stud at QB. Mahomes went 10th. Allen & LJax went in the 20s.
Zach Wilson went #2.
Literally nobody is suggesting what SFGF said. Picking 2nd means only that Schoen and Daboll have a great shot at getting exactly who they want without trading away a haul of draft picks. It doesn’t mean that guy will be a superstar.
It’s about the fact that since the Giants will be presumably in the draft QB market they control their own fate sitting as close to the top of the draft as possible. They get to take “their guy” and not gamble more assets to get him.
I like that option a lot more than HOPING he falls to them.
We all seem to agree that this team has lots of holes - wouldn’t you rather keep those added draft picks AND give Schoen/Daboll their pick of the QBs???
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If you trust Schoen to pick the right quarterback, isn't the best outcome to have the highest odds of getting his guy?
And isn't it better he only have to use one pick to be in that position, so that he can use his other picks to get other good players?
+1.
I have seen some posters suggest that the percentage of top 5 QB selections who were not good suggest you should therefore never select a QB in the top 5. We also have posters who suggest you should just pick offensive linemen because that is a safe pick who will solve the line problems, despite our own experiences with that. There are even a few who (seriously)don’t want to draft certain positions from certain college programs because other players at that position 30 years ago were not good, as if a witch put a hex on it.
This site needs an ignore feature so you can block out the emotional football shut ins from people who want to talk football.
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to see some big hits on special teams today. Kudos to Carter Coughlin and Cam Brown.
exactly. Those were my favorite plays of the game.
Yeah. Coughlin's was outstanding. Brown's, I thought was a little too close to a clothes-line tackle penalty. But no flag, so all good.
Did they rule no fumble on the Brown play? It wasn't explained very clearly, or maybe I missed it.