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BBI whipping boys Doug Pederson and Mike Mcarthy

Essex : 11/26/2023 4:16 pm
Are both 8-3 and win basically every year. Both of them won playoff games last year, yet almost everybody on here denigrated those guys as complete idiots



So now what  
UConn4523 : 11/26/2023 4:17 pm : link
?
Thank you  
rebel yell : 11/26/2023 4:18 pm : link
for that.
So what?  
section125 : 11/26/2023 4:18 pm : link
What is your point?
 
Mdgiantsfan : 11/26/2023 4:18 pm : link
So what’s your point?
We have  
Jersey Heel : 11/26/2023 4:18 pm : link
Been served.
How wrong groupthink often is  
Essex : 11/26/2023 4:20 pm : link
They win basically every year they have a good starting QB  
widmerseyebrow : 11/26/2023 4:20 pm : link
That could work out for us too someday.
RE: How wrong groupthink often is  
UConn4523 : 11/26/2023 4:22 pm : link
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Lol, what? I think McCarthy is a putz and he still hasn’t won anything. Weird timing to call people out when getting to the playoffs should be a shoe in with that roster. Pretty useless thread.
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Essex : 11/26/2023 4:26 pm : link
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Lol, what? I think McCarthy is a putz and he still hasn’t won anything. Weird timing to call people out when getting to the playoffs should be a shoe in with that roster. Pretty useless thread.

He has won the Super Bowl and has them competitive basically every year. What I would do to be competitive every year.

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BleedBlue : 11/26/2023 4:30 pm : link
In comment 16302798 Essex said:
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Lol, what? I think McCarthy is a putz and he still hasn’t won anything. Weird timing to call people out when getting to the playoffs should be a shoe in with that roster. Pretty useless thread.


He has won the Super Bowl and has them competitive basically every year. What I would do to be competitive every year.



Coaches get far too much credit and far too much blame.

The cowboys with that roster will be bc competitive with me coaching them. Coaching isn’t hard when you get top end QB play.
I had the same thought about McCarthy.  
81_Great_Dane : 11/26/2023 4:30 pm : link
Whatever his deficiences were in Green Bay, he has the Cowboys winning consistently and the Packers haven't exactly turned a corner without him.
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UConn4523 : 11/26/2023 4:31 pm : link
In comment 16302798 Essex said:
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Lol, what? I think McCarthy is a putz and he still hasn’t won anything. Weird timing to call people out when getting to the playoffs should be a shoe in with that roster. Pretty useless thread.


He has won the Super Bowl and has them competitive basically every year. What I would do to be competitive every year.


So where was your thread after his Super Bowl win? You realize you haven’t actually made a point, right? You think McCarthy is a good coach, I don’t. Only difference is you made a thread to give your opinion and I didn’t.
True but we re BBI and we do it to our own players too.  
Blue21 : 11/26/2023 4:33 pm : link
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Here's the thing  
Ten Ton Hammer : 11/26/2023 4:37 pm : link
BBI is so incredibly fickle we don't have an opinion on coaches that doesn't change week to week.
RE: So what?  
djm : 11/26/2023 4:39 pm : link
In comment 16302744 section125 said:
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What is your point?


It’s a point that is lost on far too many here. What’s the point? That retread HCs aren’t always bad hirings. Some are great. BBI can feel feel free to ignore this and insist that both guys suck.
McCarthy=Switzer  
Larry in Pencilvania : 11/26/2023 4:41 pm : link
Nothing to see
How can that be?  
Cyrus the Great : 11/26/2023 4:48 pm : link
They're retreads!
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Essex : 11/26/2023 4:51 pm : link
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Lol, what? I think McCarthy is a putz and he still hasn’t won anything. Weird timing to call people out when getting to the playoffs should be a shoe in with that roster. Pretty useless thread.


He has won the Super Bowl and has them competitive basically every year. What I would do to be competitive every year.




So where was your thread after his Super Bowl win? You realize you haven’t actually made a point, right? You think McCarthy is a good coach, I don’t. Only difference is you made a thread to give your opinion and I didn’t.


I don’t even think I was on this site when that happened. But I should have spelled it out more. It was more just a frustration thread watching the Jags win after our game and seeing how you can win in this league consistently and it seems like our favorite whipping boys do it quite often.

It is also similar to how people reacted to Wink and Daboll’s interaction in Dallas. It looked odd, but when I and others called it out, people dismissed sarcastically as yes coaches talking to coaches is weird. Then today when Glazer reports the relationship is disintegrating many people here even rejects that as if they know better than Glazer.

It just wish I could be so sure of myself as some on here without really much evidence to back up their opinions. The bottom line is Pederson and McCarthy have been relatively successful at each location and people announce with such certitude that it gets annoying. But yes, it was probably an ill advised thread and more out of frustration with how bad we are

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LauderdaleMatty : 11/26/2023 5:08 pm : link
In comment 16302798 Essex said:
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Lol, what? I think McCarthy is a putz and he still hasn’t won anything. Weird timing to call people out when getting to the playoffs should be a shoe in with that roster. Pretty useless thread.


He has won the Super Bowl and has them competitive basically every year. What I would do to be competitive every year.

Sure helps when your GM doesn't pass on a guy like parsons On. And Zack Martin
McCarthy is one more early playoff exit away  
UConn4523 : 11/26/2023 5:10 pm : link
from being fired. So until he can get someone not named Aaron Rodgers to an AFCC game or the Super Bowl, I’m not going to think much of him.

Peterson I don’t ever remember getting shat on other than him being an Eagle. I think many here were optimistic that he’d do well in Jacksonville.

What are either of them doing with Jones, Taylor and DeVito?
Beware the "BBI says" crowd  
j_rud : 11/26/2023 5:16 pm : link
Disingenuous arguments and bullshit thread topics only designed to say "I was right and the consensus I fabricated was wrong".
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BillKo : 11/26/2023 11:03 pm : link
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Lol, what? I think McCarthy is a putz and he still hasn’t won anything. Weird timing to call people out when getting to the playoffs should be a shoe in with that roster. Pretty useless thread.


He has won the Super Bowl and has them competitive basically every year. What I would do to be competitive every year.


Now c'mon already.

He's got a loaded roster of talent......

McCarthy and his QB are exactly in the same spot. They need a signature win with the Dallas.

If the don't get it this year, one might be fired (McCarthy) and the other will continue to have the albatross of not winning the big one.
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christian : 11/26/2023 11:16 pm : link
In comment 16302945 UConn4523 said:
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What are either of them doing with Jones, Taylor and DeVito?


Well, one of them won a championship with Nick Foles, so maybe something?
Didn’t they clinch the playoffs before he started a game?  
UConn4523 : 11/26/2023 11:25 pm : link
Foles was a good backup on a great roster, that kind of matters.

So, maybe. But highly doubtful.
RE: Didn’t they clinch the playoffs before he started a game?  
christian : 11/27/2023 8:55 am : link
In comment 16303757 UConn4523 said:
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Foles was a good backup on a great roster, that kind of matters.

So, maybe. But highly doubtful.


Pederson is one of the great QB-minded coaches of this generation. He helped rebuild Alex Smith, got an MVP caliber season out of Carson Wentz, and won the Super Bowl with a journeyman backup. And with a high talent guy like Lawrence is producing another MVP caliber player.

I think if there's any coach that could maximize the talent of Jones or Taylor, Pederson is the exact guy.
So there’s room to grow  
UConn4523 : 11/27/2023 9:02 am : link
with Jones, Taylor and DeVito? Didn’t Daboll get the most out of Jones in 2022? You’ve been pretty adamant about moving on from Jones, so this is a bit puzzling.

I like Pederson, my issue is McCarthy.
 
christian : 11/27/2023 9:13 am : link
You asked what either of them would do with the current quarterback group, and my view is Pederson has a track record of maximizing output from quarterbacks across the talent spectrum.

Pederson is far more accomplished than Daboll. If the Giants had Pederson at head coach, I could see Jones producing at a higher level.

Pederson is maybe the only guy in the league who could make Jones a top third starter.
We saw a top 1/3 starter in 2022  
UConn4523 : 11/27/2023 9:16 am : link
2023, who knows. Between the OL injuries and Jones’ injuries, don’t see Pederson doing much better but sure, there’s a chance.
Mccarthy was blasted about Moore comment  
fanatic II : 11/27/2023 9:28 am : link
But it turns out he was right.

He said "Moore tries to light up the scoreboard and lead the league in scoring". Not the exact phrase, but it's the gist.

Last night this reared it's head again. Down by one score Moore's offense went three and out on three passes. It was a 25 second possession. This has happened multiple times this year with LA. Poor situational play calling.

The ironic part is that Dallas is currently the #1 scoring offense averaging 31.5 points a game.
 
christian : 11/27/2023 9:31 am : link
McCarthy was right about Moore.
I think  
Lines of Scrimmage : 11/27/2023 9:49 am : link
both are very good HC's. They value high quality OL play.

I don't think Dak is a championship QB though and at this point of the season Dallas does not have a good enough of a running game to help him overcome his limitations.

Pederson is still early in his tenure and he needs a bit more time to get his OL up to a championship level. Jax has the benefit of the QB on a rookie contract.

Be interesting if McCarthy gets another season if Dallas falls short again.

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