Posters fed up with Daniel Jones set their hearts on Williams, Drake, and company. They wanted this so badly they began believing this team would lose 8 games in a row.
They did so knowing they had games left against Washington, New England, Saints and Rams, all teams in their weight class. They did this because often they cannot watch a very bad loss and project ahead to any game the Giants might play well enough to win
Consequently we now have threads dominated by disappointment that the unlikely scenario they envisioned has not played out.
They come off as being resentful that other posters don’t share their disappointment, and waste time whining about how the Giants can’t do anything right
The Giants will draft wherever their record indicates. The Giants winning or losing is not connected to what we hope for.
I would not have been terribly disappointed with a loss today, but I ll certainly not be upset because they won, it won’t change anything so I ll just enjoy the win.
But be prepared for next year if the Giants don’t get the quarterback these fans want , to be blamed for not joining them in their misery and bemoaning these Giants wins
I hope they don't reach for a QB at that point.
We have lots of holes….I will have to hope and trust our 2024 draft can be as good as 2023 was for us.
SF. You re obsession with Jones is beginning to diminish your posts, which is not good because you have been a good poster over a long time
There is nothing in my posts that suggests they should run it back with Jones. I was referencing the ridiculous and often immature whining dominating other threads because the unlikely path these posters envision to the draft did not play out.
Come on, do better
Not my intent to convey that idea. I was more speaking to April when the quarterbacks coveted by some get drafted ahead of the Giants
Yep, sorry to break it to you
That's pretty damn good. To me. And the injury situation is such as edge condition there's little learned to date. More will be learned from here out.
So they'll either win a few more and end up right where expected despite heinous circumstances, or tank here on out. I can't understand why anyone would want that. A high draft pick wouldn't be worth the pain or the discord from tanking. And be no fun. Winning is fun in my view of the ink blot.
That's pretty damn good. To me. And the injury situation is such as edge condition there's little learned to date. More will be learned from here out.
So they'll either win a few more and end up right where expected despite heinous circumstances, or tank here on out. I can't understand why anyone would want that. A high draft pick wouldn't be worth the pain or the discord from tanking. And be no fun. Winning is fun in my view of the ink blot.
There’s nothing “pretty damn good” about this season.
People have different ideas about what's best for the future of the franchise. Both sides have merit. Wins and culture matter when you're moving forward with the coach and staff. Draft position matters when you're still building a roster and looking at QBs. I don't think its an either/or issue and I'm not sure why you'd even want to look at it that way.
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Sounds based on your last sentence you are already punting next season?
Not my intent to convey that idea. I was more speaking to April when the quarterbacks coveted by some get drafted ahead of the Giants
I’ve come to grips we’ll be out of the top group. But I’m also not subscribing to these wins meaning anything of importance.
My feeling is Schoens situation is very interesting. Lot of intrigue to come.
It’s not just what may happen in 2024, but how they set table for 2025.
But the more intelligent of us know that if the Giants are ever going to be competitive again they need a huge upgrade at QB.
The only way that happens is via the NFL Draft.
Get it?
These kinds of wins will keep this franchise mired in mediocrity/below average status for decades to come.
They need to keep assets and draft a franchise QB.
Not sure if there are other ways to get there.
I don’t think the Giants should “tank” which I’m defining as losing on purpose… but if the Giants compete - stick together - be the professionals they are AND lose - that’s a win - win :)
But the more intelligent of us know that if the Giants are ever going to be competitive again they need a huge upgrade at QB.
The only way that happens is via the NFL Draft.
Get it?
People were counting on losses to get the draft pick for the quarterback they wanted with 8 games left. Looking at the schedule and expecting them to finish with top 2 pick, doesn’t seem all that intelligent to me
And yes I get it. But I realized it was kind of early to be counting on it happening.
Just because I ve been a Jones supporter doesn’t mean I don’t see the picture
But the more intelligent of us know that if the Giants are ever going to be competitive again they need a huge upgrade at QB.
The only way that happens is via the NFL Draft.
Get it?
If Schoen loves a QB, he will find a way to trade to where that QB is to be picked.
Eric, the Giants do need a QB. But, they also need to get a head coach established here beyond year 2.
On the other hand, the top QBs drafted aren't always the best QBs in each draft.
So we'll see how this plays out.
But if the Giants go into 2024 with no other viable option at QB than Jones, then I doubt Schoen and Daboll survive.
Eric, the Giants do need a QB. But, they also need to get a head coach established here beyond year 2.
Mara already has a built in excuse as long as Schoen doesn't start having press conference meltdowns.
It's moot now. We're not drafting top 3.
Long story short, we're likely going to be drafting the 3rd or 4th QB taken in the draft.
When Jones was drafted I hated the pick. I participated in all those chopperhatch threads back when he was in college and was no fan. That said he has been a better prospect than I thought he'd be and I rooted for him from the get go as you would hope every fan would. I think after all these years it should be clear that he's not going to be special. Maybe he can be good enough, but he needs a lot around him to be right. We can do better.
When Jones was drafted I hated the pick. I participated in all those chopperhatch threads back when he was in college and was no fan. That said he has been a better prospect than I thought he'd be and I rooted for him from the get go as you would hope every fan would. I think after all these years it should be clear that he's not going to be special. Maybe he can be good enough, but he needs a lot around him to be right. We can do better.
This team can't go BPA.
People have different ideas about what's best for the future of the franchise. Both sides have merit. Wins and culture matter when you're moving forward with the coach and staff. Draft position matters when you're still building a roster and looking at QBs. I don't think its an either/or issue and I'm not sure why you'd even want to look at it that way.
Give me a break rud I don’t need any validation and I don’t think my position is superior
And I m not making any argument that there is any great value in these wins
I stand by what I wrote about it was way too early to count on losses for higher draft picks
On the other hand, the top QBs drafted aren't always the best QBs in each draft.
So we'll see how this plays out.
But if the Giants go into 2024 with no other viable option at QB than Jones, then I doubt Schoen and Daboll survive.
I agree with that. That is the reason I would have been ok with losses these past two weeks, but it didn’t happen and I m not that surprised
Long story short, we're likely going to be drafting the 3rd or 4th QB taken in the draft.
So we’re gonna settle after Williams and Maye are gone. I watch enough college ball to know the gap from Williams/Maye to Nix/Pennix/McCarthy/etc is pretty significant. Taking a QB just to take a QB or rolling back with Jones is the absolute worst place this franchise can be.
After losing to the Jets, and then getting beat by the Raiders with a rookie head coach and QB combo, and then getting embarrassed by the Cowboys for the second time there was absolutely no reason to think that this team would rattle off wins. None.
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There are a ton of teams looking for QBs, and many of them have draft capital too to trade up if need be.
Long story short, we're likely going to be drafting the 3rd or 4th QB taken in the draft.
So we’re gonna settle after Williams and Maye are gone. I watch enough college ball to know the gap from Williams/Maye to Nix/Pennix/McCarthy/etc is pretty significant. Taking a QB just to take a QB or rolling back with Jones is the absolute worst place this franchise can be.
Very possible.
But I've seen enough NFL drafts too to know that the top two "sure thing" quarterbacks are often not that.
So we shall see.
I'd prefer to get our first choice, but that's not likely to happen.
After losing to the Jets, and then getting beat by the Raiders with a rookie head coach and QB combo, and then getting embarrassed by the Cowboys for the second time there was absolutely no reason to think that this team would rattle off wins. None.
But they did and it happens often, it we never learn. Broncos were 1-5 having given up 70 pts in a game, now about to be 6-5
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There are a ton of teams looking for QBs, and many of them have draft capital too to trade up if need be.
Long story short, we're likely going to be drafting the 3rd or 4th QB taken in the draft.
So we’re gonna settle after Williams and Maye are gone. I watch enough college ball to know the gap from Williams/Maye to Nix/Pennix/McCarthy/etc is pretty significant. Taking a QB just to take a QB or rolling back with Jones is the absolute worst place this franchise can be.
Very possible.
But I've seen enough NFL drafts too to know that the top two "sure thing" quarterbacks are often not that.
So we shall see.
I'd prefer to get our first choice, but that's not likely to happen.
Eric, I agree with you. One thing, and it’s only my gut feeling, is I just don’t feel it with William and Maye.Eric, I agree with you. I know JS will only take the QB that they really like and not force it. It’s a weird situation. In my personal opinion, I feel more comfortable with Jayden Daniels, but that’s only my opinion. If they stay in the same position that they have been slated, thus far, which is pick number six, they still should have enough trade to get a quarterback that they like.
If he's a bad evaluator of quarterback talent, the odds of him missing are high whether he has the 1st or 10th pick.
If he's a good evaluator, you want him to have a the highest pick to increase the odds he gets his guy.
And if he's a good talent evaluator, it's better he doesn't have to burn picks to move up. He'll pick other good players with those picks too.
If he's a bad evaluator of quarterback talent, the odds of him missing are high whether he has the 1st or 10th pick.
If he's a good evaluator, you want him to have a the highest pick to increase the odds he gets his guy.
And if he's a good talent evaluator, it's better he doesn't have to burn picks to move up. He'll pick other good players with those picks too.
Yeah, but what's good for the draft is bad for Daboll.
If he's a bad evaluator of quarterback talent, the odds of him missing are high whether he has the 1st or 10th pick.
If he's a good evaluator, you want him to have a the highest pick to increase the odds he gets his guy.
And if he's a good talent evaluator, it's better he doesn't have to burn picks to move up. He'll pick other good players with those picks too.
Yeah, but what's good for the draft is bad for Daboll.
I think Daboll's job is safe at 5-6 wins and no major interpersonal stuff. Putting two wins on the board with DeVito at QB might have already saved it.
This franchise desperately needs a coach who is competent.
On the other hand, the top QBs drafted aren't always the best QBs in each draft.
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and the Patriots shanked a short field goal to tie it. Last week the Commanders turned the ball over six times. SIX. This team is as bad as everyone thinks they are - they just find ways to be less bad than some of worst teams in the league each week.
After losing to the Jets, and then getting beat by the Raiders with a rookie head coach and QB combo, and then getting embarrassed by the Cowboys for the second time there was absolutely no reason to think that this team would rattle off wins. None.
But they did and it happens often, it we never learn. Broncos were 1-5 having given up 70 pts in a game, now about to be 6-5
What the Broncos are doing this year is absolutely an anomaly. And the only reason why they were in a position to have a turnaround is because they have a seasoned QB and coaches. It's not comparable.
At the end of the day, this team has managed to beat the beatable teams on their schedule. I didn't expect them to get to 4 wins this fast but I think most here still figured they would get a couple more wins and not lose every single game. If they win another game or two over these last 6 weeks against tougher teams then a thread like this will make more sense.
Sure they can. And should, if Maye or Williams are gone.
Sure they can. And should, if Maye or Williams are gone.
Nope.
Can't win without a QB.
Giants don't have a QB.
Aside from that, BPA is a myth. Last time the Giants did that was 1984.
It is completely dumb to just take a player because they need a QB. I want Schoen to take the QB he has conviction on if he’s available, whether they trade or just take the guy at that spot.
It is completely dumb to just take a player because they need a QB. I want Schoen to take the QB he has conviction on if he’s available, whether they trade or just take the guy at that spot.
They've boxed themselves into a corner.
Schoen and Daboll won't survive another 5-12 type season.
Daniel Jones is a loser. They need to draft a QB, either praying one falls to them or trading up.
It is what it is.
Schoen isn’t getting fired after next year. Daboll isn’t getting fired next year.
Schoen isn’t getting fired after next year. Daboll isn’t getting fired next year.
If they go 5-12 again with Daniel Jones, they're toast.
That’s plenty high enough to go up and get their QB (particularly in a trade with Chicago).
It would likely cost their own 2nd and then a 2025 1st.
Schoen will absolutely do it if he views Williams or Maye as franchise changing.
The question becomes, are there elite players that Schoen also values in this draft and wants to keep their capital because they still need a lot of better talent.
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Eric, wrong again.
Schoen isn’t getting fired after next year. Daboll isn’t getting fired next year.
If they go 5-12 again with Daniel Jones, they're toast.
This. I think, as weird as this will sound, winning these last 2 weeks might actually lead to their firing. The scenario is this: they finish in spot 5 or 6.
It’s entirely possible the top 3 you see tonight in Ray’s thread will be the top 3 come draft night. Maye/Williams to Chicago via Carolina (and new HC Jim Harbaugh), Harrison to Arizona, Williams/Maye to Pats. NYG at 5 or 6 and will either take OT (precursor to moving Neal to OG), force QB (not advised), or look to trade out.
I would defer to Schoen/Daboll in that case, but personally, I’m not a fan of any QB in this draft not named Williams or Maye.
I will continue to hope the losses pile up, so we have can select from the most players available. And parlay a high pick into a QB with great upside.
I will continue to hope the losses pile up, so we have can select from the most players available. And parlay a high pick into a QB with great upside.
Even if we lose out, we likely don’t get any better than 5.