Are there any of the following in the draft if we pick 5th-10th?
Blue chip edge rusher?
Blue chip WR? (Harrison will be gone by 2 or 3)
Blue chip CB?
I just can’t see them drafting a QB unless is Williams, Daniels or Maye, and Maye is getting debatable after his last few games. There is zero chance this FO drafts a tackle in the 1st round admitting they whiffed on Neal already, especially since he’s only played half the games due to injury.
Thoughts?
I don’t see Naboes as being in MHJ’s class. He also has Daniels throwing him the ball with Thomas taking the pressure off.
You can choose whatever draft simulator site you like and run mock drafts. You can see who's likely to be available when the Giants pick. We're still too far out for those player rankings and mocks to mean much, though. I like to use the PFN mock draft simulator to get to know the prospects a little. I almost always like my mocks better when I trade down, but the simulator is trade-happy and makes trading down too easy.
At QB, I think that McCarthy, Nix, Penix and Sanders are all possibilities if the top prospects aren't there. As I've said on other threads, I think Daboll will like Sanders. I don't know enough about any of them to have a favorite, but I'm pretty sure that Daboll wants a QB who is fast and has a rocket arm, who can kill you from the pocket but also with his legs — like Josh Allen. I'm also pretty sure they'll want a "clean" prospect with no medical red flags? So: Which guys are those?
Besides, if Chicago has the top 2 picks, one of those picks won’t be a QB
The only trade up I see potentially happening is back into the first if there is someone (a qb?) they really like.
How about getting a decent OL coach?
*a pick 20-32
Thanks for sharing.
Anyone?
There should be someone who drops in the draft that the Giants can take a chance on. I think, based on the uncertainty around Jones, the team needs to address the QB situation.
Sy’s the guy, but I think Dallas Turner is considered a blue chip edge. WR I’m less sure about, but Odunze could be a top 10 pick at WR. CB I have no clue. Lots of draft sites you can check, too early for me.
The Washington WR is a legit “X” receiver.
If they are really sold on a QB, Schoen will find a way to
Get in position.
Stop worrying.
Anyone?
Check a draft site.
The Washington WR is a legit “X” receiver.
If they are really sold on a QB, Schoen will find a way to
Get in position.
Stop worrying.
So many think no prospects fall below the top 5.
Lots of QBs bust out early.
Anyone?
Blue Blue Blue chip WR’s
Odunze, Coleman, Neybors
They are all north of 6’0, explosive, and productive. Edge don’t value there imo.
just because we spent resources on the o line and didn't get the best results does not mean it is only a coaching issue, it may still be a talent issue.
Neal has shown no improvement. At some point the player has to make the improvement the coach cannot do it for them. We all see the problem Neal has, I am sure he watches film, it is on him to make the corrections. If he cannot then maybe it is a physical limitation. Try him at guard the remainder of the season so we have an idea if he can be a good guard.
The Giants are F-ups because their offensive line is an F-up.
And we’ve been watching F-ed up performances for a decade.
Daboll/Schoen either fix their O-line ASAP or they will be looking for new employment.
Besides, if Chicago has the top 2 picks, one of those picks won’t be a QB
It's a 3 really good QB draft. Maybe even two. Maye has been downright average.
And if Chicago decides to stick with Fields they likely trade the second of their picks to a team needing a QB that is willing to pay a ransom.
Right now we are light in the talent department at many positions. There are currently about 25 teams that need a QB. If they cannot get there guy at QB we have other needs. Build the team.
Rome Odunze
There is zero sense in firing them after 3 seasons when Daboll has shown that he’s a good coach.
Worse, they'll lose the fans and become a laughing stock. If the Jets get a QB they'll own NY for the first time in 50 years.
Well, they’ve been coach and GM for 2 seasons, one of which included a playoff run with a bad roster. You are way off base.
Both the Bears and Cardinals will stay absolutely silent on their intentions to garner as much interest in their respective picks.
The price to move from 9 to 1 last year was, DJ Moore, 9th overall, 61 overall, 2024 1st, 2025 2nd.
The cost to maneuver in the top 10 is very high.
I understand the need for QB completely. But the team still needs talent at very important positions so if they are going to give up draft capital to get the QB you better nail it.
There should be someone who drops in the draft that the Giants can take a chance on. I think, based on the uncertainty around Jones, the team needs to address the QB situation.
And Eli Manning was taken #1 overall.
Besides, if Chicago has the top 2 picks, one of those picks won’t be a QB
Yes it will, because they’ll take their QB of choice and then trade out of number 2.
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Schoen and Daboll have proven nothing.
Well, they’ve been coach and GM for 2 seasons, one of which included a playoff run with a bad roster. You are way off base.
And yet here they are, a year later, after dolling out hundreds of millions of dollars, at 4-8. The GM fucked up the QB situation and the HC may be firing his DC.
You can put together bad years as a coach if your arrow is pointed up, you can't when it's pointed down.
You can put together bad years as a coach if your arrow is pointed up, you can't when it's pointed down.
We barely beat two bad teams despite winning the turnover ratio 9-1.
I get it... fans are looking for some signs of hope. But c'mon.
Coleman at WR
The Giants need a lot of work. And they have a GM and coach who put a serious amount of their personal capital and the owner's money into Daniel Jones.
They will need to gracefully unthread that needle and be competitive next year if they move on from Jones.
This is exactly why I don't think it's a given they do. The easier path for Schoen and Daboll is give Mara's favorite player another year.
The Giants need a lot of work. And they have a GM and coach who put a serious amount of their personal capital and the owner's money into Daniel Jones.
They will need to gracefully unthread that needle and be competitive next year if they move on from Jones.
This is exactly why I don't think it's a given they do. The easier path for Schoen and Daboll is give Mara's favorite player another year.
If they do that, there will be empty seats on opening day. I'm not joking.
Why bother?
If they do that, there will be empty seats on opening day. I'm not joking.
Why bother?
Schoen would need a huge pair to take a QB on round one. He'd be telling Mara/Tisch one year in and with $36M in guarantees still to be paid out - that he was wrong.
And now given the draft scenario, he likely needs to pay up two first round picks + to move up and get his guy.
Then add in they'd likely have to hold Jones completely out from playing and maybe even practicing all of next year to ensure he doesn't get injured, and his injury guarantee kick in for 2025.
That's not going to be an easy sell.
I think a lot of people overthink this. They'll take a QB if the opportunity is there. It might not be though.
I think a lot of people overthink this. They'll take a QB if the opportunity is there. It might not be though.
The opportunity part is what scares me.
Cue the Mara defenders, but I could certainly see Mara saying "We liked Daniel last year, paid him all this money, and he's getting healthy. You really want to trade all those picks?"
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I don't know. This is a team that picked up Eli Manning's player option in March of 2019 and then drafted a QB 6th overall. And Mara loved Manning more than Jones.
I think a lot of people overthink this. They'll take a QB if the opportunity is there. It might not be though.
The opportunity part is what scares me.
Cue the Mara defenders, but I could certainly see Mara saying "We liked Daniel last year, paid him all this money, and he's getting healthy. You really want to trade all those picks?"
I agree that this will be an incredibly tough sell for Schoen. You just gave Jones a big contract and now you're telling the world that was a mistake AND to fix that mistake it'll cost future draft capital. However, I also agree with Eric that this regime cannot survive another year of 4-5 wins and Daniel Jones stinking up the place. At least if they take a QB Schoen/Daboll can sell to Mara after another shitty year that there's hope. So, it'll be interesting to say the least. I think what we may see is the Giants take a QB in round 2 or move back into late round 1 for a QB--someone like McCarthy, Nix or Sanders. Won't cost future draft capital but keeps up hope for brighter days. Then when Jones is awful again next year this regime can sell the potential of that QB to Mara as a way to save their jobs.
Boy did Schoen fuck this up with that Jones contract.
The reality is this team has the worst OL in the division, the worst WR in the division, the worst TEs in the division
It has been proven time and time again that if you can’t protect the passer you can’t develop a downfield passing game
There is a really good case to be made that they have been in a bunch of these games because Thomas is playing and Barkley is playing - something neither of them did for weeks 3,4,5
To me I have a bigger question with Jones and long term health than anything else. 3-5 years season ending injuries with 2 neck injuries. His game threatens defenses with the run which results in hits. While all players are 1 hit away, with neck issues it may not take much for docs to say he step away
Odds are he is not ready to start 2024.
If they pick at no. 7 and Williams and Maye are gone, then pick one of the other QBs. If they “aren’t in love” with the other options, then they better fall in love, or they’ll be out of a job after 2024.