team that is happy with its QB doesn't draft a QB in the first round because of "BPA."
They do so either because they want to replace the existing starter or that guy is nearing the end.
Now Schoen may be perfectly happy with Jones and wants to be deliberately vague. But I doubt it.
You are failing to recognize that taking a QB because you want to replace one doesn't mean that it is the right thing to do. If you take the 3rd or 4th "best" QB in the draft and pass on the 2nd WR or best edge player, that would be a bad decision.
This is ridiculous. How do you know the QB that Schoen may draft at say #7 who happens to be the third QB taken is not the best of the bunch? Or that he is infinitely better than the first edge player taken? Are you saying everybody's evaluation is same and how they are drafted is how they will play in the NFL?
They must come out of this draft with a QB, either in the 1st round or 2nd.
You keep beating this drum and I don't know why.
That quote from you, the exact same thing a lot of people were saying in 2019. And they picked Jones, who now everyone outside of a few people (such as myself) want him off the team.
To box yourself into a position is completely stupid. If they don't like the QB choices when they pick, they will not take those players.
Taking a player you don't want would be absolutely idiotic.
They must come out of this draft with a QB, either in the 1st round or 2nd.
I agree you can't win in the NFL without a QB, but the absolute worst thing this team can do is force a pick just because it's a QB. That's how jobs are lost (and never regained). Last thing this team needs is to draft Christian Hackenberg...
The fact that Schoen basically said he might take a QB in the draft is about as controversial a statement as a Giants front office person has made in 10 years.
"We weren't sure about Daniel's health and we felt the value of [QBX] was too good to pass up. He's smart, tough, dependable. We'll have a healthy competition at QB this off season between QBX and Daniel. Tommy has done a good job too and deserves the chance to compete" - Joe Schoen, April 25, 2024
They must come out of this draft with a QB, either in the 1st round or 2nd.
You keep beating this drum and I don't know why.
That quote from you, the exact same thing a lot of people were saying in 2019. And they picked Jones, who now everyone outside of a few people (such as myself) want him off the team.
To box yourself into a position is completely stupid. If they don't like the QB choices when they pick, they will not take those players.
Taking a player you don't want would be absolutely idiotic.
You're confusing two different decisions and trying to make them as if they are one decision.
The decision to draft a QB in 2019 was the correct one.
They must come out of this draft with a QB, either in the 1st round or 2nd.
I agree you can't win in the NFL without a QB, but the absolute worst thing this team can do is force a pick just because it's a QB. That's how jobs are lost (and never regained). Last thing this team needs is to draft Christian Hackenberg...
Yes. But the team has painted themselves into a corner.
If Schoen and Daboll go 5-12 next year with Daniel Jones, YOU (and everyone else) will want them fired.
If Daniel Jones is on IR on November with another neck injury, YOU (and everyone else) will want them fired.
There are a bunch of QBs in this draft. They have no option but to take one.
The fact that Schoen basically said he might take a QB in the draft is about as controversial a statement as a Giants front office person has made in 10 years.
Let's say the Giants get the 6th or 7th pick. Let's say Chicago/New England/Arizona fight to the death for Williams and Maye, and whether there are trades involved or not, those two guys are gone within the first 3 picks.
Then let's say Joe Schoen DOESN'T draft a quarterback at where the Giants pick. Let's say they draft Malik Nabers, or even trade down.
What I'm saying is - if Joe Schoen doesn't take a QB in that slot, it would mean he does not see the value in doing it, because he either A) doesn't believe in any of those QBs available at that time or B) he wants to take the prospect that he believes is a much better prospect at that draft position.
If Joe Schoen does not take a QB with their first 3 picks in the draft, and instead goes edge, WR, OL.....everyone will say Schoen sucks.
What I'm saying is that Schoen is not going to force pick a QB he doesn't like. That would be really fucking stupid, and the Giants can continue to build the roster and even get a QB in 2025 if Jones doesn't progress beyond what we saw in 2022.
That is it. This shouldn't be that hard to understand.
ThomasG, I don't think you are getting what I'm saying.
What I'm saying is - everyone is pissed because the Giants reached for Daniel Jones.
Now - people are saying we have to take a QB no matter what.
Stick to a strategy.
No, and everyone doesn't say the same thing.
Reaching for Daniel Jones is one thing. Sticking with him is another. And providing him a second is yet another.
What the majority of posters are aligned on is that we need to upgrade at QB and this draft likely offers that chance based on volume of QBs and draft position.
Let's say the Giants get the 6th or 7th pick. Let's say Chicago/New England/Arizona fight to the death for Williams and Maye, and whether there are trades involved or not, those two guys are gone within the first 3 picks.
Then let's say Joe Schoen DOESN'T draft a quarterback at where the Giants pick. Let's say they draft Malik Nabers, or even trade down.
What I'm saying is - if Joe Schoen doesn't take a QB in that slot, it would mean he does not see the value in doing it, because he either A) doesn't believe in any of those QBs available at that time or B) he wants to take the prospect that he believes is a much better prospect at that draft position.
If Joe Schoen does not take a QB with their first 3 picks in the draft, and instead goes edge, WR, OL.....everyone will say Schoen sucks.
What I'm saying is that Schoen is not going to force pick a QB he doesn't like. That would be really fucking stupid, and the Giants can continue to build the roster and even get a QB in 2025 if Jones doesn't progress beyond what we saw in 2022.
That is it. This shouldn't be that hard to understand.
He is going to maneuver to get one of the top four QBs on his draft board. If he doesn't, I doubt he survives to 2025.
And no, Schoen and Daboll are not going to be fired after the 2024 season if the Giants go 5-12 with Daniel Jones. We can't keep doing this dance every 2-3 seasons.
Kyle Shanahan had 4 shitty seasons early on with SF. Stability matters if you think you have the right GM and coach. The Giants do.
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The other comment that jumped out was Schoen bluntly saying that Evan Neal “needs to play better.” Schoen added that he doesn’t think Neal needs to move to guard, believes he can play tackle but is missing valuable reps right now with his ankle injury.
RE: I thought Joe Schoen said something interesting about Tommy DeVito
something like he has a bit of a swagger to him, and his teammates feed off of that. In that context, think about Daniel Jones for a moment.
Yes. Schoen also through in something about OL issues also have to a lot to do with not having the "QB pull the trigger quickly enough" or something like that. Which I think he is sending a message about some/all of our QBs.
And no, Schoen and Daboll are not going to be fired after the 2024 season if the Giants go 5-12 with Daniel Jones. We can't keep doing this dance every 2-3 seasons.
Kyle Shanahan had 4 shitty seasons early on with SF. Stability matters if you think you have the right GM and coach. The Giants do.
If Schoen and Daboll roll with Daniel Jones in 2024, then they are not the right solution. They should be fired.
If they are even considering a QB in the first round, they are not happy with Jones.
It's not that difficult.
Again, what do you think Schoen is going to say?
They'll take a QB if they think he's a franchise changing QB and if the opportunity presents itself. Which is what they should do.
Not being happy with Jones' play this season is not some mystery novel. Of course they aren't happy with what happened and then the injury.
It doesn't even have to be a franchise changing QB. It has to be a competent QB who can give them a reliable floor. They don't even have a floor right now; Jones was supposed to have settled in the 12-15 range of QBs and he backslid toward the bottom and is injured. DeVito is a bottom tier starter at best and Tyrod will not be under contract.
They will not be able to afford a free agent backup, so that leaves the draft, and I will be willing to guarantee they aren't going to passively sit back and only pick a QB they feel 1000 percent confident is going to be a franchise changer and is also BPA when they pick. It doesn't work that way. If they like McCarthy or Daniels or Penix or Nix they will pick them over someone like Keon Coleman. Again, they do not have a QB1 on the roster right now, you cannot be a functional franchise without one.
reaching cult level status with the Daniel Jones groupies.
I'm actually not a Daniel Jones "groupie." I've said I'd be fine if they move on from him, I couldn't care less.
What I don't want them to do is just pick a QB because hey, why not. That is completely fucking stupid, and is the exact same reason you guys said we should not have taken Jones.
Which is another head scratcher about the way this team is run. If they felt that strongly about Saquon (and wouldn't even consider trading him), why did they not give him the 3-year contract and Franchise Jones????!!!!
Eric, OK, fine. But again - you have to assume that everything just turns out perfectly for the Giants during the draft in that case.
Williams and Maye - gone within the first 3. That is about as much of a lock as there is in this year's draft. Marvin Harrison Jr, probably the 3rd.
New England is not trading out of their spot. Arizona might. Chicago might. If Schoen wants to trade, he can likely do it.
Just because he doesn't trade up doesn't mean he's making a mistake.
Williams and Maye may not even be the best quarterbacks in the draft.
With the recent "success" the Giants are probably out of the mix for whichever QBs settle in as the top guys... but probably are very much in the mix for trading back into the first round to grab someone who slips a bit. That's what I expect at this point.
Eric, I think most of us hope and want the Giants to replace Jones with a blue chip prospect, but I think you're underestimating how difficult that might be for Schoen.
can blather all he wants about BPA, but I'd be stunned if the Giants didn't take a QB in the first or second round.
Jones has had a concussion, two serious neck injuries, and now a torn ACL. That makes him unreliable, even if the Giants decide that their offensive struggles are more because of the porous OL than his play.
The ACL by itself isn't that concerning. Many players come back from that injury, and Jones is mostly a straight-line runner. He isn't Lamar Jackson. But the concussion and neck injuries are very concerning, especially since running is one of his better talents. The problem is that his running makes it more likely he'll be hit and suffer another concussion or neck injury.
Next season is likely the last that Jones will be on the Giants.
I have also pointed to that as a possible tactic. I posted a few weeks ago that a possiblel scenario would be to land Harrison in the 1st round and trade back into the bottom of the 1st round for the QB. Looks like Harrison is off the board now however.
They must come out of this draft with a QB, either in the 1st round or 2nd.
I agree you can't win in the NFL without a QB, but the absolute worst thing this team can do is force a pick just because it's a QB. That's how jobs are lost (and never regained). Last thing this team needs is to draft Christian Hackenberg...
Yes. But the team has painted themselves into a corner.
If Schoen and Daboll go 5-12 next year with Daniel Jones, YOU (and everyone else) will want them fired.
If Daniel Jones is on IR on November with another neck injury, YOU (and everyone else) will want them fired.
There are a bunch of QBs in this draft. They have no option but to take one.
Welcome to QB hell.
Needless to say, that's awfully risky, Eric. Taking a QB in Round 1 or 2 that you don't believe can be/will be a franchise QB is not only investing foolishly and potentially setting your team back further, but it's also poor asset management. Those are premium picks that can be used to upgrade other positions.
If they draft a QB early that they don't love in 2024 and he performs poorly, the team is going to have fans and even the FO clamoring for a new QB, perhaps someone they actually love and see as an upgrade.
BPA is always the way to go, but I do agree with you that QB is valued at a premium.
Eric, I think most of us hope and want the Giants to replace Jones with a blue chip prospect, but I think you're underestimating how difficult that might be for Schoen.
It's incredibly difficult.
But the fans are not going to give Schoen and Daboll a pass.
You have to deal with the real world. Schoen and Daboll have to save their jobs.
Because they passed on quarterbacks because they couldn’t admit that they needed one. Then the worst GM in team history panicked and had a putrid evaluation process because the guy he set his sights on went back to school.
Eric, I think most of us hope and want the Giants to replace Jones with a blue chip prospect, but I think you're underestimating how difficult that might be for Schoen.
But the fans are not going to give Schoen and Daboll a pass.
You have to deal with the real world. Schoen and Daboll have to save their jobs.
I agree, which is why I don't know if hitching their wagon to a rookie QB they don't absolutely love is the way they should go. You're spending a premium pick on a QB you may just like instead of spending it on other positions that can help you now.
It's not that difficult.
Again, what do you think Schoen is going to say?
They'll take a QB if they think he's a franchise changing QB and if the opportunity presents itself. Which is what they should do.
Not being happy with Jones' play this season is not some mystery novel. Of course they aren't happy with what happened and then the injury.
Fans forget there are two audiences for these remarks, the market and ownership.
Ownership reacts to the market. Empty stadiums have caused GMs and HCs to be fired every couple of years here.
Bingo
Schoen was careful how to treat the reality of Jones situation for 2024 only. Very little if any praise, but avoided direct criticism.
We all know Jones/Giants are stuck together for 2024 due to contract guarantees/cap hit, plus injury.
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team that is happy with its QB doesn't draft a QB in the first round because of "BPA."
They do so either because they want to replace the existing starter or that guy is nearing the end.
Now Schoen may be perfectly happy with Jones and wants to be deliberately vague. But I doubt it.
You are failing to recognize that taking a QB because you want to replace one doesn't mean that it is the right thing to do. If you take the 3rd or 4th "best" QB in the draft and pass on the 2nd WR or best edge player, that would be a bad decision.
This is ridiculous. How do you know the QB that Schoen may draft at say #7 who happens to be the third QB taken is not the best of the bunch? Or that he is infinitely better than the first edge player taken? Are you saying everybody's evaluation is same and how they are drafted is how they will play in the NFL?
How do you type these things?
They must come out of this draft with a QB, either in the 1st round or 2nd.
You keep beating this drum and I don't know why.
That quote from you, the exact same thing a lot of people were saying in 2019. And they picked Jones, who now everyone outside of a few people (such as myself) want him off the team.
To box yourself into a position is completely stupid. If they don't like the QB choices when they pick, they will not take those players.
Taking a player you don't want would be absolutely idiotic.
They must come out of this draft with a QB, either in the 1st round or 2nd.
I agree you can't win in the NFL without a QB, but the absolute worst thing this team can do is force a pick just because it's a QB. That's how jobs are lost (and never regained). Last thing this team needs is to draft Christian Hackenberg...
Teams don't go BPA with a QB in the first round. They do so because they are looking to change QBs.
You're acting like this is the same as selecting a CB or WR.
Jones can't throw TD passes. That's kind of important.
What I'm saying is - everyone is pissed because the Giants reached for Daniel Jones.
Now - people are saying we have to take a QB no matter what.
Stick to a strategy.
The fact that Schoen basically said he might take a QB in the draft is about as controversial a statement as a Giants front office person has made in 10 years.
"We weren't sure about Daniel's health and we felt the value of [QBX] was too good to pass up. He's smart, tough, dependable. We'll have a healthy competition at QB this off season between QBX and Daniel. Tommy has done a good job too and deserves the chance to compete" - Joe Schoen, April 25, 2024
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If they are even considering a QB in the first round, they are not happy with Jones.
Bingo
The bingo is to say Jones is our QB, and that we will evaluate QB in the offseason and BPA in the draft.
Like he said.
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You can't win in the NFL without a QB.
They must come out of this draft with a QB, either in the 1st round or 2nd.
You keep beating this drum and I don't know why.
That quote from you, the exact same thing a lot of people were saying in 2019. And they picked Jones, who now everyone outside of a few people (such as myself) want him off the team.
To box yourself into a position is completely stupid. If they don't like the QB choices when they pick, they will not take those players.
Taking a player you don't want would be absolutely idiotic.
You're confusing two different decisions and trying to make them as if they are one decision.
The decision to draft a QB in 2019 was the correct one.
Daniel Jones was the wrong choice.
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You can't win in the NFL without a QB.
They must come out of this draft with a QB, either in the 1st round or 2nd.
I agree you can't win in the NFL without a QB, but the absolute worst thing this team can do is force a pick just because it's a QB. That's how jobs are lost (and never regained). Last thing this team needs is to draft Christian Hackenberg...
Yes. But the team has painted themselves into a corner.
If Schoen and Daboll go 5-12 next year with Daniel Jones, YOU (and everyone else) will want them fired.
If Daniel Jones is on IR on November with another neck injury, YOU (and everyone else) will want them fired.
There are a bunch of QBs in this draft. They have no option but to take one.
Welcome to QB hell.
Found the “I went back and watched Neal’s film at Bama” comment interesting.
Schoen talking about the OL combinations was sobering, that alone really shot the season
The fact that Schoen basically said he might take a QB in the draft is about as controversial a statement as a Giants front office person has made in 10 years.
Yup. And it's being lost on many.
Fans forget there are two audiences for these remarks, the market and ownership.
Ownership reacts to the market. Empty stadiums have caused GMs and HCs to be fired every couple of years here.
I mean the trade, draft, and free agency market.
Schoen is establishing his hand with his competitors. And at the same time he has to maneuver in his own seat.
In November, there's no upside for him to imply anything other than Jones will be the starter when he's healthy.
Schoen has to 1) convince his boss it's time to move on 2) go find an upgrade.
Implying today to the press he's doing either doesn't benefit him.
Let's say the Giants get the 6th or 7th pick. Let's say Chicago/New England/Arizona fight to the death for Williams and Maye, and whether there are trades involved or not, those two guys are gone within the first 3 picks.
Then let's say Joe Schoen DOESN'T draft a quarterback at where the Giants pick. Let's say they draft Malik Nabers, or even trade down.
What I'm saying is - if Joe Schoen doesn't take a QB in that slot, it would mean he does not see the value in doing it, because he either A) doesn't believe in any of those QBs available at that time or B) he wants to take the prospect that he believes is a much better prospect at that draft position.
If Joe Schoen does not take a QB with their first 3 picks in the draft, and instead goes edge, WR, OL.....everyone will say Schoen sucks.
What I'm saying is that Schoen is not going to force pick a QB he doesn't like. That would be really fucking stupid, and the Giants can continue to build the roster and even get a QB in 2025 if Jones doesn't progress beyond what we saw in 2022.
That is it. This shouldn't be that hard to understand.
What I'm saying is - everyone is pissed because the Giants reached for Daniel Jones.
Now - people are saying we have to take a QB no matter what.
Stick to a strategy.
No, and everyone doesn't say the same thing.
Reaching for Daniel Jones is one thing. Sticking with him is another. And providing him a second is yet another.
What the majority of posters are aligned on is that we need to upgrade at QB and this draft likely offers that chance based on volume of QBs and draft position.
Let's say the Giants get the 6th or 7th pick. Let's say Chicago/New England/Arizona fight to the death for Williams and Maye, and whether there are trades involved or not, those two guys are gone within the first 3 picks.
Then let's say Joe Schoen DOESN'T draft a quarterback at where the Giants pick. Let's say they draft Malik Nabers, or even trade down.
What I'm saying is - if Joe Schoen doesn't take a QB in that slot, it would mean he does not see the value in doing it, because he either A) doesn't believe in any of those QBs available at that time or B) he wants to take the prospect that he believes is a much better prospect at that draft position.
If Joe Schoen does not take a QB with their first 3 picks in the draft, and instead goes edge, WR, OL.....everyone will say Schoen sucks.
What I'm saying is that Schoen is not going to force pick a QB he doesn't like. That would be really fucking stupid, and the Giants can continue to build the roster and even get a QB in 2025 if Jones doesn't progress beyond what we saw in 2022.
That is it. This shouldn't be that hard to understand.
He is going to maneuver to get one of the top four QBs on his draft board. If he doesn't, I doubt he survives to 2025.
Kyle Shanahan had 4 shitty seasons early on with SF. Stability matters if you think you have the right GM and coach. The Giants do.
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The other comment that jumped out was Schoen bluntly saying that Evan Neal “needs to play better.” Schoen added that he doesn’t think Neal needs to move to guard, believes he can play tackle but is missing valuable reps right now with his ankle injury.
Yes. Schoen also through in something about OL issues also have to a lot to do with not having the "QB pull the trigger quickly enough" or something like that. Which I think he is sending a message about some/all of our QBs.
Kyle Shanahan had 4 shitty seasons early on with SF. Stability matters if you think you have the right GM and coach. The Giants do.
If Schoen and Daboll roll with Daniel Jones in 2024, then they are not the right solution. They should be fired.
The upshot of winning those two games is that I don't think they are going to like the QB options available for that pick.
There will certainly be another QB on the roster next year; how he is acquired is a very open question.
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If they are even considering a QB in the first round, they are not happy with Jones.
It's not that difficult.
Again, what do you think Schoen is going to say?
They'll take a QB if they think he's a franchise changing QB and if the opportunity presents itself. Which is what they should do.
Not being happy with Jones' play this season is not some mystery novel. Of course they aren't happy with what happened and then the injury.
It doesn't even have to be a franchise changing QB. It has to be a competent QB who can give them a reliable floor. They don't even have a floor right now; Jones was supposed to have settled in the 12-15 range of QBs and he backslid toward the bottom and is injured. DeVito is a bottom tier starter at best and Tyrod will not be under contract.
They will not be able to afford a free agent backup, so that leaves the draft, and I will be willing to guarantee they aren't going to passively sit back and only pick a QB they feel 1000 percent confident is going to be a franchise changer and is also BPA when they pick. It doesn't work that way. If they like McCarthy or Daniels or Penix or Nix they will pick them over someone like Keon Coleman. Again, they do not have a QB1 on the roster right now, you cannot be a functional franchise without one.
Williams and Maye - gone within the first 3. That is about as much of a lock as there is in this year's draft. Marvin Harrison Jr, probably the 3rd.
New England is not trading out of their spot. Arizona might. Chicago might. If Schoen wants to trade, he can likely do it.
Just because he doesn't trade up doesn't mean he's making a mistake.
I'm actually not a Daniel Jones "groupie." I've said I'd be fine if they move on from him, I couldn't care less.
What I don't want them to do is just pick a QB because hey, why not. That is completely fucking stupid, and is the exact same reason you guys said we should not have taken Jones.
Yup.
Which is another head scratcher about the way this team is run. If they felt that strongly about Saquon (and wouldn't even consider trading him), why did they not give him the 3-year contract and Franchise Jones????!!!!
Williams and Maye - gone within the first 3. That is about as much of a lock as there is in this year's draft. Marvin Harrison Jr, probably the 3rd.
New England is not trading out of their spot. Arizona might. Chicago might. If Schoen wants to trade, he can likely do it.
Just because he doesn't trade up doesn't mean he's making a mistake.
Williams and Maye may not even be the best quarterbacks in the draft.
Kyle Shanahan had 4 shitty seasons early on with SF. Stability matters if you think you have the right GM and coach. The Giants do.
That's not true. For starters he's only bad 3 seasons below .500, and by the third season he took the team to the Super Bowl.
Just because he doesn't trade up doesn't mean he's making a mistake.
No one is saying this.
The argument is that he should come out of the draft with a QB in Rd 1 or Rd 2.
If you have to strawman your interlocutor's position to score a point, you have a shitty point to make.
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Eric, OK, fine. But again - you have to assume that everything just turns out perfectly for the Giants during the draft in that case.
Williams and Maye - gone within the first 3. That is about as much of a lock as there is in this year's draft. Marvin Harrison Jr, probably the 3rd.
New England is not trading out of their spot. Arizona might. Chicago might. If Schoen wants to trade, he can likely do it.
Just because he doesn't trade up doesn't mean he's making a mistake.
Williams and Maye may not even be the best quarterbacks in the draft.
With the recent "success" the Giants are probably out of the mix for whichever QBs settle in as the top guys... but probably are very much in the mix for trading back into the first round to grab someone who slips a bit. That's what I expect at this point.
Jones has had a concussion, two serious neck injuries, and now a torn ACL. That makes him unreliable, even if the Giants decide that their offensive struggles are more because of the porous OL than his play.
The ACL by itself isn't that concerning. Many players come back from that injury, and Jones is mostly a straight-line runner. He isn't Lamar Jackson. But the concussion and neck injuries are very concerning, especially since running is one of his better talents. The problem is that his running makes it more likely he'll be hit and suffer another concussion or neck injury.
Next season is likely the last that Jones will be on the Giants.
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You can't win in the NFL without a QB.
They must come out of this draft with a QB, either in the 1st round or 2nd.
I agree you can't win in the NFL without a QB, but the absolute worst thing this team can do is force a pick just because it's a QB. That's how jobs are lost (and never regained). Last thing this team needs is to draft Christian Hackenberg...
Yes. But the team has painted themselves into a corner.
If Schoen and Daboll go 5-12 next year with Daniel Jones, YOU (and everyone else) will want them fired.
If Daniel Jones is on IR on November with another neck injury, YOU (and everyone else) will want them fired.
There are a bunch of QBs in this draft. They have no option but to take one.
Welcome to QB hell.
Needless to say, that's awfully risky, Eric. Taking a QB in Round 1 or 2 that you don't believe can be/will be a franchise QB is not only investing foolishly and potentially setting your team back further, but it's also poor asset management. Those are premium picks that can be used to upgrade other positions.
If they draft a QB early that they don't love in 2024 and he performs poorly, the team is going to have fans and even the FO clamoring for a new QB, perhaps someone they actually love and see as an upgrade.
BPA is always the way to go, but I do agree with you that QB is valued at a premium.
It's incredibly difficult.
But the fans are not going to give Schoen and Daboll a pass.
You have to deal with the real world. Schoen and Daboll have to save their jobs.
The only time I can remember the Giants going BPA is Carl Banks and Mathias Kiwanuka.
The only time I can remember the Giants going BPA is Carl Banks and Mathias Kiwanuka.
In Round 1 or in general?
The only time I can remember the Giants going BPA is Carl Banks and Mathias Kiwanuka.
Barkley is arguably in this group, too. At least at draft time he was.
Schoen won’t make those same mistakes.
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BPA is a myth.
The only time I can remember the Giants going BPA is Carl Banks and Mathias Kiwanuka.
Barkley is arguably in this group, too. At least at draft time he was.
Because of Wayne Gallman? No. RB was a need.
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Eric, I think most of us hope and want the Giants to replace Jones with a blue chip prospect, but I think you're underestimating how difficult that might be for Schoen.
But the fans are not going to give Schoen and Daboll a pass.
You have to deal with the real world. Schoen and Daboll have to save their jobs.
I agree, which is why I don't know if hitching their wagon to a rookie QB they don't absolutely love is the way they should go. You're spending a premium pick on a QB you may just like instead of spending it on other positions that can help you now.
Those of you on each side of the argument will dig in of course because that’s what you do.
NYG is going to draft a QB with a premium pick this year. May not be round 1, but they know they need a legitimate pivot from Jones.