The only time I can remember the Giants going BPA is Carl Banks and Mathias Kiwanuka.
In Round 1 or in general?
BPA becomes a more serious consideration the further you go in the draft. All teams draft for need. KC isn't going to take a QB in the first round even if they have a QB rated at the top of their draft board.
To the people that think they're trying to weed out a rat: They'd do it with much less damaging information than this. Imagine creating a shitstorm in the media and dragging Wink's name through the mud to weed out a rat. It's bush league and disrespectful to Wink.
This isn't a game, it's people's lives and reputations.
Eric, I think most of us hope and want the Giants to replace Jones with a blue chip prospect, but I think you're underestimating how difficult that might be for Schoen.
It's incredibly difficult.
But the fans are not going to give Schoen and Daboll a pass.
You have to deal with the real world. Schoen and Daboll have to save their jobs.
The more immediate real world factor is whether Schoen's boss is aligned with dumping Jones after 6+ games into the biggest contract in team history.
Forget the fans, Schoen has to convince Mara that he fucked up with Jones, but that Mara should still trust him to spend multiple high value picks on a quarterback.
Mara could easily say:
- No, I want to keep Jones or
- Why should I trust you to be picking quarterbacks?
Williams, Maye, Daniels, and Harrison are gone by the time the Giants pick, then BPA is more likely, or perhaps a trade down.
I am a big believer in taking the BPA, but rightly or wrongly, QB seems to be an exception for most teams. Most teams won't trade down and risk losing a QB they love. If Schoen loves one of the "second tier" QBs, he'll take him in the top 10, regardless of what anyone says. He'll also never admit that he "jumped" his own board to do so. That's just what happens in the NFL with QBs.
Assume the Giants are picking ninth, and the team at fifteen wants to trade up, and is offering a really good deal to do so. For any other position, the Giants would likely take the deal. But not if they are targeting a QB. Not unless the deal is phenomenal.
The only time I can remember the Giants going BPA is Carl Banks and Mathias Kiwanuka.
In Round 1 or in general?
BPA becomes a more serious consideration the further you go in the draft. All teams draft for need. KC isn't going to take a QB in the first round even if they have a QB rated at the top of their draft board.
Yes, which is why it's not STRICTLY BPA, but rather BPA as it pertains to positional value and other factors.
Williams, Maye, Daniels, and Harrison are gone by the time the Giants pick, then BPA is more likely, or perhaps a trade down.
I am a big believer in taking the BPA, but rightly or wrongly, QB seems to be an exception for most teams. Most teams won't trade down and risk losing a QB they love. If Schoen loves one of the "second tier" QBs, he'll take him in the top 10, regardless of what anyone says. He'll also never admit that he "jumped" his own board to do so. That's just what happens in the NFL with QBs.
Assume the Giants are picking ninth, and the team at fifteen wants to trade up, and is offering a really good deal to do so. For any other position, the Giants would likely take the deal. But not if they are targeting a QB. Not unless the deal is phenomenal.
There are other QBs in this draft. And there are QBs in this draft who are clearly better than Daniel Jones.
The NYG beat reporters for the most part offer nothing to the table. I like Duggan, but talk about softball questions from the others.
"What have you learned from the job?" These best reporters are so bad. This big bad NY media everyone talks about. Comical.
Sean, they're typical shit stirring school girls. It doesn't surprise me none of these ask direct questions. But that won't stop them from the speculative doomsday content they will still put out.
reaching cult level status with the Daniel Jones groupies.
That was reached a long, long time ago.
After five years, we know Jones:
-- Has thrown 20+ TDs in a year once
-- Jones has never broken 7 YPA in his career
-- Jones has played 16 games one time
-- Jones has broken 60 QBR one time
-- Jones was the QB for a winning season one time
-- Jones is dismal against winning teams
-- Jones is putrid in prime-time games
-- Jones is going into his 6th season in the NFL
-- Jones has been a turnover machine
It is insanely amazing the attachment fans have for this type of player who plays QB in the NFL.
I like the kid but there are huge holes in his game.
It would be malpractice if Schoen doesn't draft a QB in the first or second round.
He is getting big bucks to do his GM thing. So do draft the guy you think could be the guy to make the team a viable contender for the Super Bowl. He has no other choice. Just do it because not trying to right the ship is unacceptable.
Go back and look at every NYG draft and look at how "conveniently" the Giants said they drafted BPA when in fact it was a position that we all knew had to be addressed.
When they have drafted OL, they were desperate for an OL. Same with CB, WR, DL, QB, etc.
I would have liked a question about Jones' contract
Go back and look at every NYG draft and look at how "conveniently" the Giants said they drafted BPA when in fact it was a position that we all knew had to be addressed.
When they have drafted OL, they were desperate for an OL. Same with CB, WR, DL, QB, etc.
You are aware that BPA and need can be aligned, correct?
If the Giants had Brandon Jacobs and Ahmad Bradshaw in their prime, they would not have drafted Barkley.
Barkley was the highest rated player for the Giants at a position of NEED.
Regardless it was a horrible choice. There were options to move down some but Gettleman was basically Kevin Costner in Draft Day- it was Barkley no matter what...
He played in six games this year. He threw two TDs in the second half of one game. None in the other five. He has thrown 11, 10, 15, and 2 the past four seasons. Meanwhile, an undrafted schlub already has seven with the same team.
Jr. or the like. Penix Jr. had a lengthy injury history at Indiana (he ended four seasons with injuries, including two ACL tears) and Bo Nix has all day to throw and RARELY faces pressure.
And they're both older prospects. So I think spending our Round 1 and Round 2 picks on a different position would be better than investing a premium pick on a potentially replaceable QB. If you're asking whether I would rather have Justin Fields for a fifth rounder or Nix/Penix for a first or second rounder, I'm going with Fields 10/10.
Go back and look at every NYG draft and look at how "conveniently" the Giants said they drafted BPA when in fact it was a position that we all knew had to be addressed.
When they have drafted OL, they were desperate for an OL. Same with CB, WR, DL, QB, etc.
You are aware that BPA and need can be aligned, correct?
Often they don’t, it requires a lot of luck for the best player on your board to also be a need
"It would be malpractice if Gettleman doesn't go QB at 6 or 17" is what we said in 2019.
Again - you guys are freaking out because Jones didn't play well and then tore his knee.
Compounding that problem by taking a QB just to take one would be stupid, and not how you should run a franchise.
Schoen will take a QB in round 1 or 2 if he believes that QB can be, or will be, significantly better than Daniel Jones. If not, he will continue to take the best players available at their draft position to continue to add talent to this team that needs talent badly.
Just because you don't draft a QB in a specific year doesn't mean your franchise is doomed and you take your ball and go home. Giants can pivot with a veteran if they'd like or even go towards 2025 if they choose to not take a quarterback high in the draft.
Jr. or the like. Penix Jr. had a lengthy injury history at Indiana (he ended four seasons with injuries, including two ACL tears) and Bo Nix has all day to throw and RARELY faces pressure.
And they're both older prospects. So I think spending our Round 1 and Round 2 picks on a different position would be better than investing a premium pick on a potentially replaceable QB. If you're asking whether I would rather have Justin Fields for a fifth rounder or Nix/Penix for a first or second rounder, I'm going with Fields 10/10.
It doesn't matter what you and I think. It matters what Schoen and Daboll think, and how those players then perform.
Do you know how wrong BBI posters have been on quarterbacks the past 10 years??? It's comical. For fuck sake, we had guys still defending Josh Rosen on his third team.
Go back and look at every NYG draft and look at how "conveniently" the Giants said they drafted BPA when in fact it was a position that we all knew had to be addressed.
When they have drafted OL, they were desperate for an OL. Same with CB, WR, DL, QB, etc.
You are aware that BPA and need can be aligned, correct?
Often they don’t, it requires a lot of luck for the best player on your board to also be a need
I said nothing of the frequency of the alignment. Only that they can be aligned.
Reading comprehension seems to be a dearth this morning.
"It would be malpractice if Gettleman doesn't go QB at 6 or 17" is what we said in 2019.
Again - you guys are freaking out because Jones didn't play well and then tore his knee.
Compounding that problem by taking a QB just to take one would be stupid, and not how you should run a franchise.
Schoen will take a QB in round 1 or 2 if he believes that QB can be, or will be, significantly better than Daniel Jones. If not, he will continue to take the best players available at their draft position to continue to add talent to this team that needs talent badly.
Just because you don't draft a QB in a specific year doesn't mean your franchise is doomed and you take your ball and go home. Giants can pivot with a veteran if they'd like or even go towards 2025 if they choose to not take a quarterback high in the draft.
What is so hard to understand about this.
Who said that in 2019? Herbert was the prize and we all knew he was back in school.
will be a good backup QB for another team in 2025. I like Jones more than most here, but his play certainly didn't warrant his contract, and his injuries are now preclusive. And as I said, his running increases the chance he'll suffer another concussion or neck injury. A new QB in the first or second round is a must.
RE: I would have liked a question about Jones' contract
I also didn't love that with Jones, "it's a team game." But with Neal, "he needs to play better."
That's great fodder for the fans - and there are plenty of them who litter this board - who think the QB position is no more important that RB, WR, T, G, C, TE.
Build the team first, worry about a QB later... ;)
I largely agree with everything Eric has said on this thread.
However, if Schoen doesn't like any of the quarterbacks in this draft I don't want him to force it. In that case I'd rather trade back or out of the first, accumulate draft capital for next year since we all know we'll be right back in the same boat looking for a QB next season. Unless Jones suddenly morphs into Joe Burrow, keeping him after next season doesn't make sense financially--even if he plays okay or even pretty good.
will be a good backup QB for another team in 2025. I like Jones more than most here, but his play certainly didn't warrant his contract, and his injuries are now preclusive. And as I said, his running increases the chance he'll suffer another concussion or neck injury. A new QB in the first or second round is a must.
If the Giants draft a QB high, Jones may even start the first month or two. He will then play himself out of a job or get hurt and the rookie will start.
Coughlin benched Warner when the Giants were 5-4 and went with Eli, who didn't win a game until the finale.
Schoen probably wouldn't say anything, but a question as to whether the contract will prevent NYG from taking a QB high in the first round.
I get Schoen said he'd go BPA, but the question should have been framed around the $47M cap hit in 2024 for Jones.
I also didn't love that with Jones, "it's a team game." But with Neal, "he needs to play better."
Given Jones' contract I'm pretty skeptical that the Giants are going to go into free agency looking for Taylor II. But they do need to add another QB. So that leaves basically 4 paths:
- Trade for a "distressed asset" QB--guy on a rookie contract who could benefit from a change of scenery...
- Go way into the bottom of the FA barrel.
- Trade up into the top 3.
- Draft a guy late on Day 1 or Day 2.
The distressed asset types that fit are guys like Mac Jones, Kenny Pickett, Kyle Trask, Malik Willis, and Desmond Ridder. None of whom seem appealing.
Then you have some of the higher dollar guys on rookie contracts that may shake free--Justin Fields and Bryce Young come to mind.
The bottom of the FA barrel--I'm skeptical you're going to get more than DeVito-esque play.
The trade-up path... I don't see it right now, particularly given today's Schoen comments. So that leaves the "Tier 2" QBs in the draft, basically whichever QBs don't ascend in the postseason process, or whichever ones that are not on the radar at all currently that do ascend.
It's a genuinely fascinating offseason. Probably the most since the OBJ trade.
there is no decision they need to make on jones yet
they obviously cant move on for at least another 12 months or so and they need to add another QB for depth purposes at a bare minimum -- which they just stated as a public expectation.
QBs are very simple when it comes to the draft. if you have a grade on one worthy of picking, you pick them. that is almost whenever/wherever (unless you have burrow/herbert/mahomes signed long term).
devito has done them a big kindness in giving them what will hopefully be a cheap/experienced backup. at minimum he has shown he can be comparable to tyrod.
in the draft they will take the best QB they can when they are on the clock. if there is someone they like they may move up.
whatever happens from that moment on will get sorted out on the field.
I said nothing of the frequency of the alignment. Only that they can be aligned.
Reading comprehension seems to be a dearth this morning.
I never said you said anything about frequency. Just having a conversation that’s it’s rare that they actually do. Relax.
"Often they don’t..."
That is a statement of frequency. My point was that BPA and need can align. I didn't say how often it happens. How often it happens is irrelevant to the point that the can align.
The hatred of Daniel Jones has gotten to the point where you guys are actually arguing in favor of the thing that got Jones drafted by the Giants in the first place.
I'm sure Schoen will take a QB if he likes him and thinks he will absolutely be better than Jones.
But if he doesn't and takes WR, edge, or trades down, the Giants are not doomed and Schoen will not be fired.
Those two things can be accurate.
RE: I largely agree with everything Eric has said on this thread.
However, if Schoen doesn't like any of the quarterbacks in this draft I don't want him to force it. In that case I'd rather trade back or out of the first, accumulate draft capital for next year since we all know we'll be right back in the same boat looking for a QB next season. Unless Jones suddenly morphs into Joe Burrow, keeping him after next season doesn't make sense financially--even if he plays okay or even pretty good.
Agree. But again, how does Schoen and Daboll survive getting mauled by the Eagles and Cowboys again with Daniel Jones at QB? The entire fan base would be calling for their heads, just like McAdoo, Shurmur, and Judge.
So task of both is to identify 3-4 quarterbacks they really like, and then maneuver to get one. If they don't, I doubt they survive.
"What have you learned from the job?" These best reporters are so bad. This big bad NY media everyone talks about. Comical.
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BPA is a myth.
The only time I can remember the Giants going BPA is Carl Banks and Mathias Kiwanuka.
In Round 1 or in general?
BPA becomes a more serious consideration the further you go in the draft. All teams draft for need. KC isn't going to take a QB in the first round even if they have a QB rated at the top of their draft board.
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BPA is a myth.
The only time I can remember the Giants going BPA is Carl Banks and Mathias Kiwanuka.
Barkley is arguably in this group, too. At least at draft time he was.
Because of Wayne Gallman? No. RB was a need.
I said nothing about Gallman. Barkley was the BPA at 2. That RB was also a need is coincidental.
To the people that think they're trying to weed out a rat: They'd do it with much less damaging information than this. Imagine creating a shitstorm in the media and dragging Wink's name through the mud to weed out a rat. It's bush league and disrespectful to Wink.
This isn't a game, it's people's lives and reputations.
It's incredibly difficult.
But the fans are not going to give Schoen and Daboll a pass.
You have to deal with the real world. Schoen and Daboll have to save their jobs.
The more immediate real world factor is whether Schoen's boss is aligned with dumping Jones after 6+ games into the biggest contract in team history.
Forget the fans, Schoen has to convince Mara that he fucked up with Jones, but that Mara should still trust him to spend multiple high value picks on a quarterback.
Mara could easily say:
- No, I want to keep Jones or
- Why should I trust you to be picking quarterbacks?
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Daboll wouldn't answer if Wink is safe even this year.
That seems to be a bit hyperbole..
He referred to his answer yesterday, which is also a way of saying it's an old issue.
If the Giants had Brandon Jacobs and Ahmad Bradshaw in their prime, they would not have drafted Barkley.
Barkley was the highest rated player for the Giants at a position of NEED.
I am a big believer in taking the BPA, but rightly or wrongly, QB seems to be an exception for most teams. Most teams won't trade down and risk losing a QB they love. If Schoen loves one of the "second tier" QBs, he'll take him in the top 10, regardless of what anyone says. He'll also never admit that he "jumped" his own board to do so. That's just what happens in the NFL with QBs.
Assume the Giants are picking ninth, and the team at fifteen wants to trade up, and is offering a really good deal to do so. For any other position, the Giants would likely take the deal. But not if they are targeting a QB. Not unless the deal is phenomenal.
Those of you on each side of the argument will dig in of course because that’s what you do.
NYG is going to draft a QB with a premium pick this year. May not be round 1, but they know they need a legitimate pivot from Jones.
Ugh of course I meant to say Schoen
If Mara ties their hands, we're fucked.
Jones simply doesn't know how to throw TD passes.
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BPA is a myth.
The only time I can remember the Giants going BPA is Carl Banks and Mathias Kiwanuka.
In Round 1 or in general?
BPA becomes a more serious consideration the further you go in the draft. All teams draft for need. KC isn't going to take a QB in the first round even if they have a QB rated at the top of their draft board.
Yes, which is why it's not STRICTLY BPA, but rather BPA as it pertains to positional value and other factors.
I am a big believer in taking the BPA, but rightly or wrongly, QB seems to be an exception for most teams. Most teams won't trade down and risk losing a QB they love. If Schoen loves one of the "second tier" QBs, he'll take him in the top 10, regardless of what anyone says. He'll also never admit that he "jumped" his own board to do so. That's just what happens in the NFL with QBs.
Assume the Giants are picking ninth, and the team at fifteen wants to trade up, and is offering a really good deal to do so. For any other position, the Giants would likely take the deal. But not if they are targeting a QB. Not unless the deal is phenomenal.
There are other QBs in this draft. And there are QBs in this draft who are clearly better than Daniel Jones.
If the Giants had Brandon Jacobs and Ahmad Bradshaw in their prime, they would not have drafted Barkley.
Barkley was the highest rated player for the Giants at a position of NEED.
You are missing the point. I am not making a comment whatsoever about need. That is a distraction that you are bringing in.
Barkley, at #2 in the 2018 draft was, in fact, the BPA on the board. Full stop.
I'm not saying they picked him BECAUSE he was the BPA, merely stating the fact that he WAS the BPA.
Argue against what I write, not what you want me to have written.
"What have you learned from the job?" These best reporters are so bad. This big bad NY media everyone talks about. Comical.
Sean, they're typical shit stirring school girls. It doesn't surprise me none of these ask direct questions. But that won't stop them from the speculative doomsday content they will still put out.
If Mara ties their hands, we're fucked.
Jones simply doesn't know how to throw TD passes.
He "doesn't know" how to throw TD passes?
That was reached a long, long time ago.
After five years, we know Jones:
-- Has thrown 20+ TDs in a year once
-- Jones has never broken 7 YPA in his career
-- Jones has played 16 games one time
-- Jones has broken 60 QBR one time
-- Jones was the QB for a winning season one time
-- Jones is dismal against winning teams
-- Jones is putrid in prime-time games
-- Jones is going into his 6th season in the NFL
-- Jones has been a turnover machine
It is insanely amazing the attachment fans have for this type of player who plays QB in the NFL.
It would be malpractice if Schoen doesn't draft a QB in the first or second round.
He is getting big bucks to do his GM thing. So do draft the guy you think could be the guy to make the team a viable contender for the Super Bowl. He has no other choice. Just do it because not trying to right the ship is unacceptable.
When they have drafted OL, they were desperate for an OL. Same with CB, WR, DL, QB, etc.
I get Schoen said he'd go BPA, but the question should have been framed around the $47M cap hit in 2024 for Jones.
I also didn't love that with Jones, "it's a team game." But with Neal, "he needs to play better."
When they have drafted OL, they were desperate for an OL. Same with CB, WR, DL, QB, etc.
You are aware that BPA and need can be aligned, correct?
If the Giants had Brandon Jacobs and Ahmad Bradshaw in their prime, they would not have drafted Barkley.
Barkley was the highest rated player for the Giants at a position of NEED.
Regardless it was a horrible choice. There were options to move down some but Gettleman was basically Kevin Costner in Draft Day- it was Barkley no matter what...
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Now THAT is a legitimate concern.
If Mara ties their hands, we're fucked.
Jones simply doesn't know how to throw TD passes.
He "doesn't know" how to throw TD passes?
Nope.
He played in six games this year. He threw two TDs in the second half of one game. None in the other five. He has thrown 11, 10, 15, and 2 the past four seasons. Meanwhile, an undrafted schlub already has seven with the same team.
Your groupie status is showing again.
And they're both older prospects. So I think spending our Round 1 and Round 2 picks on a different position would be better than investing a premium pick on a potentially replaceable QB. If you're asking whether I would rather have Justin Fields for a fifth rounder or Nix/Penix for a first or second rounder, I'm going with Fields 10/10.
I react to what I see.
And in today's NFL with the way FA works, teams go NEED more than ever.
I'm becoming more convinced either Daniels (slight longshot now), Nix, Ewers, or McCarthy are going to be a Giant in the top 50-60 picks of the draft.
I don't see a trade up in first. But those two picks in the 2nd now are premium. Seahawks pick is looking like a solid bet for a top 50 pick now.
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Go back and look at every NYG draft and look at how "conveniently" the Giants said they drafted BPA when in fact it was a position that we all knew had to be addressed.
When they have drafted OL, they were desperate for an OL. Same with CB, WR, DL, QB, etc.
You are aware that BPA and need can be aligned, correct?
Often they don’t, it requires a lot of luck for the best player on your board to also be a need
Again - you guys are freaking out because Jones didn't play well and then tore his knee.
Compounding that problem by taking a QB just to take one would be stupid, and not how you should run a franchise.
Schoen will take a QB in round 1 or 2 if he believes that QB can be, or will be, significantly better than Daniel Jones. If not, he will continue to take the best players available at their draft position to continue to add talent to this team that needs talent badly.
Just because you don't draft a QB in a specific year doesn't mean your franchise is doomed and you take your ball and go home. Giants can pivot with a veteran if they'd like or even go towards 2025 if they choose to not take a quarterback high in the draft.
What is so hard to understand about this.
I react to what I see.
And in today's NFL with the way FA works, teams go NEED more than ever.
I'm not disputing that in the least. I made a very simple point that at the time of the draft Barkley was the BPA. This is not a controversial point.
It says nothing of need. It says nothing of whether it was the correct choice.
It is a singular statement. Barkley was the BPA when he was drafted.
And they're both older prospects. So I think spending our Round 1 and Round 2 picks on a different position would be better than investing a premium pick on a potentially replaceable QB. If you're asking whether I would rather have Justin Fields for a fifth rounder or Nix/Penix for a first or second rounder, I'm going with Fields 10/10.
It doesn't matter what you and I think. It matters what Schoen and Daboll think, and how those players then perform.
Do you know how wrong BBI posters have been on quarterbacks the past 10 years??? It's comical. For fuck sake, we had guys still defending Josh Rosen on his third team.
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Go back and look at every NYG draft and look at how "conveniently" the Giants said they drafted BPA when in fact it was a position that we all knew had to be addressed.
When they have drafted OL, they were desperate for an OL. Same with CB, WR, DL, QB, etc.
You are aware that BPA and need can be aligned, correct?
Often they don’t, it requires a lot of luck for the best player on your board to also be a need
I said nothing of the frequency of the alignment. Only that they can be aligned.
Reading comprehension seems to be a dearth this morning.
The mistake Gettleman made is you never draft a RB in the top 10. It's just dumb. But it was a need position and he was a great talent.
No, but he doesn't have a QB.
And he needs to get one.
Or he will be out on his ass.
That's reality.
Again - you guys are freaking out because Jones didn't play well and then tore his knee.
Compounding that problem by taking a QB just to take one would be stupid, and not how you should run a franchise.
Schoen will take a QB in round 1 or 2 if he believes that QB can be, or will be, significantly better than Daniel Jones. If not, he will continue to take the best players available at their draft position to continue to add talent to this team that needs talent badly.
Just because you don't draft a QB in a specific year doesn't mean your franchise is doomed and you take your ball and go home. Giants can pivot with a veteran if they'd like or even go towards 2025 if they choose to not take a quarterback high in the draft.
What is so hard to understand about this.
Who said that in 2019? Herbert was the prize and we all knew he was back in school.
I also didn't love that with Jones, "it's a team game." But with Neal, "he needs to play better."
That's great fodder for the fans - and there are plenty of them who litter this board - who think the QB position is no more important that RB, WR, T, G, C, TE.
Build the team first, worry about a QB later... ;)
The mistake Gettleman made is you never draft a RB in the top 10. It's just dumb. But it was a need position and he was a great talent.
Cool. Another thing I'm not arguing against.
Correct he doesn’t.
If the Giants draft a QB high, Jones may even start the first month or two. He will then play himself out of a job or get hurt and the rookie will start.
Coughlin benched Warner when the Giants were 5-4 and went with Eli, who didn't win a game until the finale.
I said nothing of the frequency of the alignment. Only that they can be aligned.
Reading comprehension seems to be a dearth this morning.
I never said you said anything about frequency. Just having a conversation that’s it’s rare that they actually do. Relax.
I get Schoen said he'd go BPA, but the question should have been framed around the $47M cap hit in 2024 for Jones.
I also didn't love that with Jones, "it's a team game." But with Neal, "he needs to play better."
Given Jones' contract I'm pretty skeptical that the Giants are going to go into free agency looking for Taylor II. But they do need to add another QB. So that leaves basically 4 paths:
- Trade for a "distressed asset" QB--guy on a rookie contract who could benefit from a change of scenery...
- Go way into the bottom of the FA barrel.
- Trade up into the top 3.
- Draft a guy late on Day 1 or Day 2.
The distressed asset types that fit are guys like Mac Jones, Kenny Pickett, Kyle Trask, Malik Willis, and Desmond Ridder. None of whom seem appealing.
Then you have some of the higher dollar guys on rookie contracts that may shake free--Justin Fields and Bryce Young come to mind.
The bottom of the FA barrel--I'm skeptical you're going to get more than DeVito-esque play.
The trade-up path... I don't see it right now, particularly given today's Schoen comments. So that leaves the "Tier 2" QBs in the draft, basically whichever QBs don't ascend in the postseason process, or whichever ones that are not on the radar at all currently that do ascend.
It's a genuinely fascinating offseason. Probably the most since the OBJ trade.
QBs are very simple when it comes to the draft. if you have a grade on one worthy of picking, you pick them. that is almost whenever/wherever (unless you have burrow/herbert/mahomes signed long term).
devito has done them a big kindness in giving them what will hopefully be a cheap/experienced backup. at minimum he has shown he can be comparable to tyrod.
in the draft they will take the best QB they can when they are on the clock. if there is someone they like they may move up.
whatever happens from that moment on will get sorted out on the field.
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I said nothing of the frequency of the alignment. Only that they can be aligned.
Reading comprehension seems to be a dearth this morning.
I never said you said anything about frequency. Just having a conversation that’s it’s rare that they actually do. Relax.
"Often they don’t..."
That is a statement of frequency. My point was that BPA and need can align. I didn't say how often it happens. How often it happens is irrelevant to the point that the can align.
I'm sure Schoen will take a QB if he likes him and thinks he will absolutely be better than Jones.
But if he doesn't and takes WR, edge, or trades down, the Giants are not doomed and Schoen will not be fired.
Those two things can be accurate.
Agree. But again, how does Schoen and Daboll survive getting mauled by the Eagles and Cowboys again with Daniel Jones at QB? The entire fan base would be calling for their heads, just like McAdoo, Shurmur, and Judge.
So task of both is to identify 3-4 quarterbacks they really like, and then maneuver to get one. If they don't, I doubt they survive.