It is becoming abundantly clear that 75 percent of time QB busts happen not because of some innate personal flaw or problem in their games or decision making, but rather the roster that they are surrounded with when they begin their careers.
Purdy and Hurts began their careers with 2 of the best offensive lines and weapons in the entire league.
Does anyone really think Hurts would be who he is if he was on the Jets?
Tepper has to be the worst owner in the sport right now
It is becoming abundantly clear that 75 percent of time QB busts happen not because of some innate personal flaw or problem in their games or decision making, but rather the roster that they are surrounded with when they begin their careers.
Purdy and Hurts began their careers with 2 of the best offensive lines and weapons in the entire league.
Does anyone really think Hurts would be who he is if he was on the Jets?
This is why I'd be open to trading for Fields if the Bears draft a QB. He's on a rookie deal still next year and could pick up his 5th year option.
It is becoming abundantly clear that 75 percent of time QB busts happen not because of some innate personal flaw or problem in their games or decision making, but rather the roster that they are surrounded with when they begin their careers.
Purdy and Hurts began their careers with 2 of the best offensive lines and weapons in the entire league.
Does anyone really think Hurts would be who he is if he was on the Jets?
This is why I'd be open to trading for Fields if the Bears draft a QB. He's on a rookie deal still next year and could pick up his 5th year option.
I'd take a chance on Fields too if we're out of the QB range and we can get him for a Rosen-type of deal.
But I also think Fields would be ideal for a team like the Falcons
Coaches with options are not going to want to work for that clown. I can't imagine Harbaugh's agent would even return his calls. You think he wants to get canned when the team starts off 2-6 next year? Money is one thing, but some of these guys care about their reputation and Tepper will tank it.
It is becoming abundantly clear that 75 percent of time QB busts happen not because of some innate personal flaw or problem in their games or decision making, but rather the roster that they are surrounded with when they begin their careers.
Purdy and Hurts began their careers with 2 of the best offensive lines and weapons in the entire league.
Does anyone really think Hurts would be who he is if he was on the Jets?
This is why I'd be open to trading for Fields if the Bears draft a QB. He's on a rookie deal still next year and could pick up his 5th year option.
I'd take a chance on Fields too if we're out of the QB range and we can get him for a Rosen-type of deal.
But I also think Fields would be ideal for a team like the Falcons
Fields on the Falcons would take that offense to a very elite level. Bijan will be a top 5 RB next year and could elevate Pitts as well.
Not that the QB is the main problem, but whoever was hot for that guy is the one who should be fired.HC, GM, owner?
There were rumors Reich wanted Stroud, Tepper wanted Young. Reich said last month it wasn't true. But what would he say? If he says he wanted Stroud and Tepper picked Young he would have been canned then.
It is becoming abundantly clear that 75 percent of time QB busts happen not because of some innate personal flaw or problem in their games or decision making, but rather the roster that they are surrounded with when they begin their careers.
Purdy and Hurts began their careers with 2 of the best offensive lines and weapons in the entire league.
Does anyone really think Hurts would be who he is if he was on the Jets?
It's really pathetic. We can't even give a rookie QB a full season before pulling the plug. Is this really happening? Football is in a really weird place - owners with attention spans of fruit flies, kind of mirrors society.
It is becoming abundantly clear that 75 percent of time QB busts happen not because of some innate personal flaw or problem in their games or decision making, but rather the roster that they are surrounded with when they begin their careers.
Purdy and Hurts began their careers with 2 of the best offensive lines and weapons in the entire league.
Does anyone really think Hurts would be who he is if he was on the Jets?
This is why I'd be open to trading for Fields if the Bears draft a QB. He's on a rookie deal still next year and could pick up his 5th year option.
I think the Bears will come to their senses and keep Fields...especially if he continues to play like he did vs. Detroit (last game). He's got a cannon for an arm and seems to be putting it together, despite difficult circumstances.
I mean, how many times have we seen Jets and Browns QBs with a lot of potential (maybe aside from Manziel) just come in and never even get a shot of success.
They're confidence evaporates and the team does nothing to help them.
Keep telling yourself that the Giants will be saved by Drake Maye or Caleb. I've seen this movie over and over and over again.
"Slam-Dunk QB prospect goes to bad team and never reaches full potential"
QBs do not just magically take a team from the basement to the superbowl. The roster that is built around them usually dictates how succesful they will be.
The teams like the Browns and Jets are who they are because they rely too much on these highly drafted QBs to magically save them. They put too much pressure and hype on one guy alone to produce and when he stuggles, the wheels always fall off.
remember when tepper was an analytical genius running circles
I mean, how many times have we seen Jets and Browns QBs with a lot of potential (maybe aside from Manziel) just come in and never even get a shot of success.
They're confidence evaporates and the team does nothing to help them.
Keep telling yourself that the Giants will be saved by Drake Maye or Caleb. I've seen this movie over and over and over again.
"Slam-Dunk QB prospect goes to bad team and never reaches full potential"
QBs do not just magically take a team from the basement to the superbowl. The roster that is built around them usually dictates how succesful they will be.
The teams like the Browns and Jets are who they are because they rely too much on these highly drafted QBs to magically save them. They put too much pressure and hype on one guy alone to produce and when he stuggles, the wheels always fall off.
The Giants have won two games in a row with Tommy DeVito. You really think they don’t have the pieces here to have an average support system around a good rookie QB?
Young is going to get kicked to the curb already and end up somewhere like Seattle and be awesome.
If the panthers had their first round pick this year, I would almost guarantee that they do a Cardinals with Rosen and draft Caleb.
id do our first for bryce, and that might be the best a new regime would be able to hope for. my guess is whoever tepper hires wants at least a year with him though unless there's a qb they love on the board.
It is becoming abundantly clear that 75 percent of time QB busts happen not because of some innate personal flaw or problem in their games or decision making, but rather the roster that they are surrounded with when they begin their careers.
Purdy and Hurts began their careers with 2 of the best offensive lines and weapons in the entire league.
Does anyone really think Hurts would be who he is if he was on the Jets?
Young is another of the smallish qb's from high powered big college offenses filled with talent at the skill positions who are struggling in the pros. He is in the group with Murray and Mayfield.
Not that smallish qb's can't succeed. Tarkenton was not a big guy and he's in the HOF. (One of the advantages of Peyton and Eli was that they were essentially offensive coordinators on the field.) I think the modern game where every play comes in from the sideline and it's all tightly controlled does these guys a disservice. They might be better off in terms of maximizing their skill sets if they were allowed to call their own plays and run their own offense.
I mean, how many times have we seen Jets and Browns QBs with a lot of potential (maybe aside from Manziel) just come in and never even get a shot of success.
They're confidence evaporates and the team does nothing to help them.
Keep telling yourself that the Giants will be saved by Drake Maye or Caleb. I've seen this movie over and over and over again.
"Slam-Dunk QB prospect goes to bad team and never reaches full potential"
QBs do not just magically take a team from the basement to the superbowl. The roster that is built around them usually dictates how succesful they will be.
The teams like the Browns and Jets are who they are because they rely too much on these highly drafted QBs to magically save them. They put too much pressure and hype on one guy alone to produce and when he stuggles, the wheels always fall off.
The Giants have won two games in a row with Tommy DeVito. You really think they don’t have the pieces here to have an average support system around a good rookie QB?
If you are betting on the giants to fix their ol and WR play in one year, I don't know what to say.
Also, I absolutely love Devito. He's given me a reason to watch these games. But we've played the worst Patriots team since the Clinton Administration and a Redskins team that had been dying a slow painful death.
And I don't think firing him 11 games into his tenure was a good move. You picked 1 last year, your team is rebuilding, commit to it and let a coach see it through.
It is becoming abundantly clear that 75 percent of time QB busts happen not because of some innate personal flaw or problem in their games or decision making, but rather the roster that they are surrounded with when they begin their careers.
Purdy and Hurts began their careers with 2 of the best offensive lines and weapons in the entire league.
Does anyone really think Hurts would be who he is if he was on the Jets?
It's really pathetic. We can't even give a rookie QB a full season before pulling the plug. Is this really happening? Football is in a really weird place - owners with attention spans of fruit flies, kind of mirrors society.
Why? Young came from Alabama. He's had 4 years of professional qb coaching. Unless some element is added to his game, this may very well be what he is.
It is becoming abundantly clear that 75 percent of time QB busts happen not because of some innate personal flaw or problem in their games or decision making, but rather the roster that they are surrounded with when they begin their careers.
Purdy and Hurts began their careers with 2 of the best offensive lines and weapons in the entire league.
Does anyone really think Hurts would be who he is if he was on the Jets?
Young is another of the smallish qb's from high powered big college offenses filled with talent at the skill positions who are struggling in the pros. He is in the group with Murray and Mayfield.
Not that smallish qb's can't succeed. Tarkenton was not a big guy and he's in the HOF. (One of the advantages of Peyton and Eli was that they were essentially offensive coordinators on the field.) I think the modern game where every play comes in from the sideline and it's all tightly controlled does these guys a disservice. They might be better off in terms of maximizing their skill sets if they were allowed to call their own plays and run their own offense.
Ya I am kind of over this weird obsession for these small QBs. I think everyone got way too over their heads for these college-centric QBs like Baker, Murray, Young, Zach Wilson to name a few.
Too many things have to go right for them to succeed.
The pendulum was once for those insanely big QBs when everyone was obsessed with throw power. Everyone today is obsessed with the "mobile QB" who is smaller. Eventually it will go back to how it was
If you are betting on the giants to fix their ol and WR play in one year, I don't know what to say.
Also, I absolutely love Devito. He's given me a reason to watch these games. But we've played the worst Patriots team since the Clinton Administration and a Redskins team that had been dying a slow painful death.
It is becoming abundantly clear that 75 percent of time QB busts happen not because of some innate personal flaw or problem in their games or decision making, but rather the roster that they are surrounded with when they begin their careers.
Purdy and Hurts began their careers with 2 of the best offensive lines and weapons in the entire league.
Does anyone really think Hurts would be who he is if he was on the Jets?
Young is another of the smallish qb's from high powered big college offenses filled with talent at the skill positions who are struggling in the pros. He is in the group with Murray and Mayfield.
Not that smallish qb's can't succeed. Tarkenton was not a big guy and he's in the HOF. (One of the advantages of Peyton and Eli was that they were essentially offensive coordinators on the field.) I think the modern game where every play comes in from the sideline and it's all tightly controlled does these guys a disservice. They might be better off in terms of maximizing their skill sets if they were allowed to call their own plays and run their own offense.
Ya I am kind of over this weird obsession for these small QBs. I think everyone got way too over their heads for these college-centric QBs like Baker, Murray, Young, Zach Wilson to name a few.
Too many things have to go right for them to succeed.
The pendulum was once for those insanely big QBs when everyone was obsessed with throw power. Everyone today is obsessed with the "mobile QB" who is smaller. Eventually it will go back to how it was
How did our big strong Daniel Jones fair?...
Also, Drew Bress was shorter than the average QB and he was pretty good.
It is becoming abundantly clear that 75 percent of time QB busts happen not because of some innate personal flaw or problem in their games or decision making, but rather the roster that they are surrounded with when they begin their careers.
Purdy and Hurts began their careers with 2 of the best offensive lines and weapons in the entire league.
Does anyone really think Hurts would be who he is if he was on the Jets?
Young is another of the smallish qb's from high powered big college offenses filled with talent at the skill positions who are struggling in the pros. He is in the group with Murray and Mayfield.
Not that smallish qb's can't succeed. Tarkenton was not a big guy and he's in the HOF. (One of the advantages of Peyton and Eli was that they were essentially offensive coordinators on the field.) I think the modern game where every play comes in from the sideline and it's all tightly controlled does these guys a disservice. They might be better off in terms of maximizing their skill sets if they were allowed to call their own plays and run their own offense.
Ya I am kind of over this weird obsession for these small QBs. I think everyone got way too over their heads for these college-centric QBs like Baker, Murray, Young, Zach Wilson to name a few.
Too many things have to go right for them to succeed.
The pendulum was once for those insanely big QBs when everyone was obsessed with throw power. Everyone today is obsessed with the "mobile QB" who is smaller. Eventually it will go back to how it was
How did our big strong Daniel Jones fair?...
Also, Drew Bress was shorter than the average QB and he was pretty good.
I also don't think Jones is the guy. I've said since the beginning that Jones is essentially Alex Smith, where if he's on the right team he could be good, but both of their ceilings are extremely limited.
My point is that you have to have a balance of the two. Don't draft a guy because of his stature is the main point of this. The absolute adoration of guys like Jeff George, Ryan Leaf, and Jamarcus Russell because of their big frames and rocket arms, or the agility and scrambling ability of RG3, Kyler, Trey Lance, and so on is the reason these guys never produce in today's NFL.
If you take a QB based on physical attributes alone, you will end up regretting it.
Teppers is enamored with big names. I could see him going after
Harbaugh or Kirby Smart; might be a blessing for Frank Reich though, to get away before the stink takes hold. He’d be an interesting option for OC in NY.
It is becoming abundantly clear that 75 percent of time QB busts happen not because of some innate personal flaw or problem in their games or decision making, but rather the roster that they are surrounded with when they begin their careers.
Purdy and Hurts began their careers with 2 of the best offensive lines and weapons in the entire league.
Does anyone really think Hurts would be who he is if he was on the Jets?
Young is another of the smallish qb's from high powered big college offenses filled with talent at the skill positions who are struggling in the pros. He is in the group with Murray and Mayfield.
Not that smallish qb's can't succeed. Tarkenton was not a big guy and he's in the HOF. (One of the advantages of Peyton and Eli was that they were essentially offensive coordinators on the field.) I think the modern game where every play comes in from the sideline and it's all tightly controlled does these guys a disservice. They might be better off in terms of maximizing their skill sets if they were allowed to call their own plays and run their own offense.
Ya I am kind of over this weird obsession for these small QBs. I think everyone got way too over their heads for these college-centric QBs like Baker, Murray, Young, Zach Wilson to name a few.
Too many things have to go right for them to succeed.
The pendulum was once for those insanely big QBs when everyone was obsessed with throw power. Everyone today is obsessed with the "mobile QB" who is smaller. Eventually it will go back to how it was
How did our big strong Daniel Jones fair?...
Also, Drew Bress was shorter than the average QB and he was pretty good.
I also don't think Jones is the guy. I've said since the beginning that Jones is essentially Alex Smith, where if he's on the right team he could be good, but both of their ceilings are extremely limited.
My point is that you have to have a balance of the two. Don't draft a guy because of his stature is the main point of this. The absolute adoration of guys like Jeff George, Ryan Leaf, and Jamarcus Russell because of their big frames and rocket arms, or the agility and scrambling ability of RG3, Kyler, Trey Lance, and so on is the reason these guys never produce in today's NFL.
If you take a QB based on physical attributes alone, you will end up regretting it.
Agreed on picking physical attributes alone.
I think it's just what's coming out of college these days.
RE: Teppers is enamored with big names. I could see him going after
Harbaugh or Kirby Smart; might be a blessing for Frank Reich though, to get away before the stink takes hold. He’d be an interesting option for OC in NY.
I bet he tries to pry Jolly St. Nick from Tuscaloosa so Bryce Young will have his old college HC again.
It is becoming abundantly clear that 75 percent of time QB busts happen not because of some innate personal flaw or problem in their games or decision making, but rather the roster that they are surrounded with when they begin their careers.
Purdy and Hurts began their careers with 2 of the best offensive lines and weapons in the entire league.
Does anyone really think Hurts would be who he is if he was on the Jets?
This is why I'd be open to trading for Fields if the Bears draft a QB. He's on a rookie deal still next year and could pick up his 5th year option.
I'd take a chance on Fields too if we're out of the QB range and we can get him for a Rosen-type of deal.
But I also think Fields would be ideal for a team like the Falcons
I am not making assumptions but allow me to ask, I honestly can't remember, but aren't you both down on Jones? And you want Fields? Jones has done more.
Any NYG fan that is crushing Jones day after day should not want any part of Fields.
It is becoming abundantly clear that 75 percent of time QB busts happen not because of some innate personal flaw or problem in their games or decision making, but rather the roster that they are surrounded with when they begin their careers.
Purdy and Hurts began their careers with 2 of the best offensive lines and weapons in the entire league.
Does anyone really think Hurts would be who he is if he was on the Jets?
It is becoming abundantly clear that 75 percent of time QB busts happen not because of some innate personal flaw or problem in their games or decision making, but rather the roster that they are surrounded with when they begin their careers.
Purdy and Hurts began their careers with 2 of the best offensive lines and weapons in the entire league.
Does anyone really think Hurts would be who he is if he was on the Jets?
This is why I'd be open to trading for Fields if the Bears draft a QB. He's on a rookie deal still next year and could pick up his 5th year option.
You reap what you sow.
I bet we'll hear rumors of Tepper trying to lure Little Saint Nick out of Tuscaloosa and back to the NFL.
Reich, Josh McCown and much of the Panthers scouting and management wanted Stroud. But Tepper wanted Young.
Imagine if Tepper kept Steve Wilks, who went 6-6 as interim.
Tepper has also fired two MLS coaches on the soccer team in Charlotte and the team has only been in existence for TWO YEARS!
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I feel so bad for Bryce Young.
It is becoming abundantly clear that 75 percent of time QB busts happen not because of some innate personal flaw or problem in their games or decision making, but rather the roster that they are surrounded with when they begin their careers.
Purdy and Hurts began their careers with 2 of the best offensive lines and weapons in the entire league.
Does anyone really think Hurts would be who he is if he was on the Jets?
This is why I'd be open to trading for Fields if the Bears draft a QB. He's on a rookie deal still next year and could pick up his 5th year option.
I'd take a chance on Fields too if we're out of the QB range and we can get him for a Rosen-type of deal.
But I also think Fields would be ideal for a team like the Falcons
Wonder if Panthers squeeze a win or two out rest of year.
Yeah it did not take him long to earn that title.
Coaches with options are not going to want to work for that clown. I can't imagine Harbaugh's agent would even return his calls. You think he wants to get canned when the team starts off 2-6 next year? Money is one thing, but some of these guys care about their reputation and Tepper will tank it.
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I feel so bad for Bryce Young.
It is becoming abundantly clear that 75 percent of time QB busts happen not because of some innate personal flaw or problem in their games or decision making, but rather the roster that they are surrounded with when they begin their careers.
Purdy and Hurts began their careers with 2 of the best offensive lines and weapons in the entire league.
Does anyone really think Hurts would be who he is if he was on the Jets?
This is why I'd be open to trading for Fields if the Bears draft a QB. He's on a rookie deal still next year and could pick up his 5th year option.
I'd take a chance on Fields too if we're out of the QB range and we can get him for a Rosen-type of deal.
But I also think Fields would be ideal for a team like the Falcons
Fields on the Falcons would take that offense to a very elite level. Bijan will be a top 5 RB next year and could elevate Pitts as well.
Wonder if Panthers squeeze a win or two out rest of year.
Don't bet on it.
@ Bucs
@ Saints
vs Falcons
vs Packers
@ Jags
vs Bucs
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is also livid the Bears are going to as of now have a top pick. That wasn't a secret.
Wonder if Panthers squeeze a win or two out rest of year.
Don't bet on it.
@ Bucs
@ Saints
vs Falcons
vs Packers
@ Jags
vs Bucs
It's possible. Buccaneers are also ass.
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is also livid the Bears are going to as of now have a top pick. That wasn't a secret.
Wonder if Panthers squeeze a win or two out rest of year.
Don't bet on it.
@ Bucs
@ Saints
vs Falcons
vs Packers
@ Jags
vs Bucs
Bucs are circling drain. I can see 1-2 wins here. Team wasn't responding to Reich.
There were rumors Reich wanted Stroud, Tepper wanted Young. Reich said last month it wasn't true. But what would he say? If he says he wanted Stroud and Tepper picked Young he would have been canned then.
Meanwhile - Reich as an offensive coordinator?
It is becoming abundantly clear that 75 percent of time QB busts happen not because of some innate personal flaw or problem in their games or decision making, but rather the roster that they are surrounded with when they begin their careers.
Purdy and Hurts began their careers with 2 of the best offensive lines and weapons in the entire league.
Does anyone really think Hurts would be who he is if he was on the Jets?
It's really pathetic. We can't even give a rookie QB a full season before pulling the plug. Is this really happening? Football is in a really weird place - owners with attention spans of fruit flies, kind of mirrors society.
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I feel so bad for Bryce Young.
It is becoming abundantly clear that 75 percent of time QB busts happen not because of some innate personal flaw or problem in their games or decision making, but rather the roster that they are surrounded with when they begin their careers.
Purdy and Hurts began their careers with 2 of the best offensive lines and weapons in the entire league.
Does anyone really think Hurts would be who he is if he was on the Jets?
This is why I'd be open to trading for Fields if the Bears draft a QB. He's on a rookie deal still next year and could pick up his 5th year option.
I think the Bears will come to their senses and keep Fields...especially if he continues to play like he did vs. Detroit (last game). He's got a cannon for an arm and seems to be putting it together, despite difficult circumstances.
New regime may not even want Bryce Young.
They're confidence evaporates and the team does nothing to help them.
Keep telling yourself that the Giants will be saved by Drake Maye or Caleb. I've seen this movie over and over and over again.
"Slam-Dunk QB prospect goes to bad team and never reaches full potential"
QBs do not just magically take a team from the basement to the superbowl. The roster that is built around them usually dictates how succesful they will be.
The teams like the Browns and Jets are who they are because they rely too much on these highly drafted QBs to magically save them. They put too much pressure and hype on one guy alone to produce and when he stuggles, the wheels always fall off.
whenever the new regime gets hired there id inquire on bryce young. getting him at a slight discount would be $.
If the panthers had their first round pick this year, I would almost guarantee that they do a Cardinals with Rosen and draft Caleb.
They're confidence evaporates and the team does nothing to help them.
Keep telling yourself that the Giants will be saved by Drake Maye or Caleb. I've seen this movie over and over and over again.
"Slam-Dunk QB prospect goes to bad team and never reaches full potential"
QBs do not just magically take a team from the basement to the superbowl. The roster that is built around them usually dictates how succesful they will be.
The teams like the Browns and Jets are who they are because they rely too much on these highly drafted QBs to magically save them. They put too much pressure and hype on one guy alone to produce and when he stuggles, the wheels always fall off.
The Giants have won two games in a row with Tommy DeVito. You really think they don’t have the pieces here to have an average support system around a good rookie QB?
If the panthers had their first round pick this year, I would almost guarantee that they do a Cardinals with Rosen and draft Caleb.
id do our first for bryce, and that might be the best a new regime would be able to hope for. my guess is whoever tepper hires wants at least a year with him though unless there's a qb they love on the board.
It is becoming abundantly clear that 75 percent of time QB busts happen not because of some innate personal flaw or problem in their games or decision making, but rather the roster that they are surrounded with when they begin their careers.
Purdy and Hurts began their careers with 2 of the best offensive lines and weapons in the entire league.
Does anyone really think Hurts would be who he is if he was on the Jets?
Not that smallish qb's can't succeed. Tarkenton was not a big guy and he's in the HOF. (One of the advantages of Peyton and Eli was that they were essentially offensive coordinators on the field.) I think the modern game where every play comes in from the sideline and it's all tightly controlled does these guys a disservice. They might be better off in terms of maximizing their skill sets if they were allowed to call their own plays and run their own offense.
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I mean, how many times have we seen Jets and Browns QBs with a lot of potential (maybe aside from Manziel) just come in and never even get a shot of success.
They're confidence evaporates and the team does nothing to help them.
Keep telling yourself that the Giants will be saved by Drake Maye or Caleb. I've seen this movie over and over and over again.
"Slam-Dunk QB prospect goes to bad team and never reaches full potential"
QBs do not just magically take a team from the basement to the superbowl. The roster that is built around them usually dictates how succesful they will be.
The teams like the Browns and Jets are who they are because they rely too much on these highly drafted QBs to magically save them. They put too much pressure and hype on one guy alone to produce and when he stuggles, the wheels always fall off.
The Giants have won two games in a row with Tommy DeVito. You really think they don’t have the pieces here to have an average support system around a good rookie QB?
If you are betting on the giants to fix their ol and WR play in one year, I don't know what to say.
Also, I absolutely love Devito. He's given me a reason to watch these games. But we've played the worst Patriots team since the Clinton Administration and a Redskins team that had been dying a slow painful death.
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I feel so bad for Bryce Young.
It is becoming abundantly clear that 75 percent of time QB busts happen not because of some innate personal flaw or problem in their games or decision making, but rather the roster that they are surrounded with when they begin their careers.
Purdy and Hurts began their careers with 2 of the best offensive lines and weapons in the entire league.
Does anyone really think Hurts would be who he is if he was on the Jets?
It's really pathetic. We can't even give a rookie QB a full season before pulling the plug. Is this really happening? Football is in a really weird place - owners with attention spans of fruit flies, kind of mirrors society.
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I feel so bad for Bryce Young.
It is becoming abundantly clear that 75 percent of time QB busts happen not because of some innate personal flaw or problem in their games or decision making, but rather the roster that they are surrounded with when they begin their careers.
Purdy and Hurts began their careers with 2 of the best offensive lines and weapons in the entire league.
Does anyone really think Hurts would be who he is if he was on the Jets?
Young is another of the smallish qb's from high powered big college offenses filled with talent at the skill positions who are struggling in the pros. He is in the group with Murray and Mayfield.
Not that smallish qb's can't succeed. Tarkenton was not a big guy and he's in the HOF. (One of the advantages of Peyton and Eli was that they were essentially offensive coordinators on the field.) I think the modern game where every play comes in from the sideline and it's all tightly controlled does these guys a disservice. They might be better off in terms of maximizing their skill sets if they were allowed to call their own plays and run their own offense.
Ya I am kind of over this weird obsession for these small QBs. I think everyone got way too over their heads for these college-centric QBs like Baker, Murray, Young, Zach Wilson to name a few.
Too many things have to go right for them to succeed.
The pendulum was once for those insanely big QBs when everyone was obsessed with throw power. Everyone today is obsessed with the "mobile QB" who is smaller. Eventually it will go back to how it was
If they are considering moving on from BY then I hope JS aggressively pursues it.
Reich denied the Stroud stuff but we will see if he opens up now more on it.
If you are betting on the giants to fix their ol and WR play in one year, I don't know what to say.
Also, I absolutely love Devito. He's given me a reason to watch these games. But we've played the worst Patriots team since the Clinton Administration and a Redskins team that had been dying a slow painful death.
What’s the problem with the WRs?
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I feel so bad for Bryce Young.
It is becoming abundantly clear that 75 percent of time QB busts happen not because of some innate personal flaw or problem in their games or decision making, but rather the roster that they are surrounded with when they begin their careers.
Purdy and Hurts began their careers with 2 of the best offensive lines and weapons in the entire league.
Does anyone really think Hurts would be who he is if he was on the Jets?
Young is another of the smallish qb's from high powered big college offenses filled with talent at the skill positions who are struggling in the pros. He is in the group with Murray and Mayfield.
Not that smallish qb's can't succeed. Tarkenton was not a big guy and he's in the HOF. (One of the advantages of Peyton and Eli was that they were essentially offensive coordinators on the field.) I think the modern game where every play comes in from the sideline and it's all tightly controlled does these guys a disservice. They might be better off in terms of maximizing their skill sets if they were allowed to call their own plays and run their own offense.
Ya I am kind of over this weird obsession for these small QBs. I think everyone got way too over their heads for these college-centric QBs like Baker, Murray, Young, Zach Wilson to name a few.
Too many things have to go right for them to succeed.
The pendulum was once for those insanely big QBs when everyone was obsessed with throw power. Everyone today is obsessed with the "mobile QB" who is smaller. Eventually it will go back to how it was
How did our big strong Daniel Jones fair?...
Also, Drew Bress was shorter than the average QB and he was pretty good.
If they are considering moving on from BY then I hope JS aggressively pursues it.
Reich denied the Stroud stuff but we will see if he opens up now more on it.
Reich has about 30m reasons not to say anything about it.
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I feel so bad for Bryce Young.
It is becoming abundantly clear that 75 percent of time QB busts happen not because of some innate personal flaw or problem in their games or decision making, but rather the roster that they are surrounded with when they begin their careers.
Purdy and Hurts began their careers with 2 of the best offensive lines and weapons in the entire league.
Does anyone really think Hurts would be who he is if he was on the Jets?
Young is another of the smallish qb's from high powered big college offenses filled with talent at the skill positions who are struggling in the pros. He is in the group with Murray and Mayfield.
Not that smallish qb's can't succeed. Tarkenton was not a big guy and he's in the HOF. (One of the advantages of Peyton and Eli was that they were essentially offensive coordinators on the field.) I think the modern game where every play comes in from the sideline and it's all tightly controlled does these guys a disservice. They might be better off in terms of maximizing their skill sets if they were allowed to call their own plays and run their own offense.
Ya I am kind of over this weird obsession for these small QBs. I think everyone got way too over their heads for these college-centric QBs like Baker, Murray, Young, Zach Wilson to name a few.
Too many things have to go right for them to succeed.
The pendulum was once for those insanely big QBs when everyone was obsessed with throw power. Everyone today is obsessed with the "mobile QB" who is smaller. Eventually it will go back to how it was
How did our big strong Daniel Jones fair?...
Also, Drew Bress was shorter than the average QB and he was pretty good.
I also don't think Jones is the guy. I've said since the beginning that Jones is essentially Alex Smith, where if he's on the right team he could be good, but both of their ceilings are extremely limited.
My point is that you have to have a balance of the two. Don't draft a guy because of his stature is the main point of this. The absolute adoration of guys like Jeff George, Ryan Leaf, and Jamarcus Russell because of their big frames and rocket arms, or the agility and scrambling ability of RG3, Kyler, Trey Lance, and so on is the reason these guys never produce in today's NFL.
If you take a QB based on physical attributes alone, you will end up regretting it.
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I feel so bad for Bryce Young.
It is becoming abundantly clear that 75 percent of time QB busts happen not because of some innate personal flaw or problem in their games or decision making, but rather the roster that they are surrounded with when they begin their careers.
Purdy and Hurts began their careers with 2 of the best offensive lines and weapons in the entire league.
Does anyone really think Hurts would be who he is if he was on the Jets?
Young is another of the smallish qb's from high powered big college offenses filled with talent at the skill positions who are struggling in the pros. He is in the group with Murray and Mayfield.
Not that smallish qb's can't succeed. Tarkenton was not a big guy and he's in the HOF. (One of the advantages of Peyton and Eli was that they were essentially offensive coordinators on the field.) I think the modern game where every play comes in from the sideline and it's all tightly controlled does these guys a disservice. They might be better off in terms of maximizing their skill sets if they were allowed to call their own plays and run their own offense.
Ya I am kind of over this weird obsession for these small QBs. I think everyone got way too over their heads for these college-centric QBs like Baker, Murray, Young, Zach Wilson to name a few.
Too many things have to go right for them to succeed.
The pendulum was once for those insanely big QBs when everyone was obsessed with throw power. Everyone today is obsessed with the "mobile QB" who is smaller. Eventually it will go back to how it was
How did our big strong Daniel Jones fair?...
Also, Drew Bress was shorter than the average QB and he was pretty good.
I also don't think Jones is the guy. I've said since the beginning that Jones is essentially Alex Smith, where if he's on the right team he could be good, but both of their ceilings are extremely limited.
My point is that you have to have a balance of the two. Don't draft a guy because of his stature is the main point of this. The absolute adoration of guys like Jeff George, Ryan Leaf, and Jamarcus Russell because of their big frames and rocket arms, or the agility and scrambling ability of RG3, Kyler, Trey Lance, and so on is the reason these guys never produce in today's NFL.
If you take a QB based on physical attributes alone, you will end up regretting it.
Agreed on picking physical attributes alone.
I think it's just what's coming out of college these days.
I bet he tries to pry Jolly St. Nick from Tuscaloosa so Bryce Young will have his old college HC again.
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the Panthers are moving on from Young and this might be a spot for Harbaugh.
If they are considering moving on from BY then I hope JS aggressively pursues it.
Reich denied the Stroud stuff but we will see if he opens up now more on it.
Reich has about 30m reasons not to say anything about it.
They can't stop paying him what he's owed if he says he didn't want Young.
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I feel so bad for Bryce Young.
It is becoming abundantly clear that 75 percent of time QB busts happen not because of some innate personal flaw or problem in their games or decision making, but rather the roster that they are surrounded with when they begin their careers.
Purdy and Hurts began their careers with 2 of the best offensive lines and weapons in the entire league.
Does anyone really think Hurts would be who he is if he was on the Jets?
This is why I'd be open to trading for Fields if the Bears draft a QB. He's on a rookie deal still next year and could pick up his 5th year option.
I'd take a chance on Fields too if we're out of the QB range and we can get him for a Rosen-type of deal.
But I also think Fields would be ideal for a team like the Falcons
I am not making assumptions but allow me to ask, I honestly can't remember, but aren't you both down on Jones? And you want Fields? Jones has done more.
Any NYG fan that is crushing Jones day after day should not want any part of Fields.