the rest of the season? I realize he’s only played three games, but he’s taken a beating in a few of them and has still generated 6 TD passes in three games.
Not saying I expect this to happen, but if the kid keeps playing well and winning games do you skip QB in the draft and fill other needs? Especially if we end up picking in the 7-10 range. I mean Purdy was Mr. Irrelevant and he seems to be working out just fine for SF.
I hope this becomes a legit question, but as of right now DeVito is fighting to show he is QB depth, not a starting option.
The Giants team is not on that level. They need a QB to make plays. The Giants QB needs to be part of the solution, not an extra piece added on at the end of a rebuild.
He's the perfect backup; good enough to keep you in games and the fans love him.
DeVito has shown one NFL-level skill: throwing outside the numbers in the intermediate-to-deep range. This has helped the Giants on some level because it helps allows them to control field position in games where the defense has an advantage.
On the other hand, DeVito hasn't really shown he can execute the plays that help teams sustain drives, which is why the 1st down numbers have been pretty bad the past two games (even against Washington). He doesn't utilize or normally see wide receivers in the middle of the field (he missed Wan'Dale multiple times yesterday) and takes sackes, which causes drives to stall out.
He has been worse than Tyrod and about equal with Jones, but this comes with caveat that Jones was among the worst QBs in the league in his starts. What DeVito does with deep throws is what Jones can accomplish with short throws and scrambles, but both have a problem producing a full-complement of plays that results in consistent scoring.
The reality of the situation is that he was a very, very far off from being a franchise and I don't see him getting there, likely ever. That isn't a bad thing, he's proven to be a very capable back up and will allow us to not have to spend additional $$ to bring someone else in. DeVito developing into even just a good back up is a win for this organization, don't over look that.
Look at DJ. When he came into the league, he did the same in the pocket as we were accustomed to with Eli. However, people criticized him for all the fumbles. Ok, we get that. Look at Jones now. He's messed up. He isn't the same player. Playing QB isn't some linear progression. As DJ's ball security has increased, his play in the pocket has decreased. He is running more. Okay, that works. However, his lack of reading a defense is now magnified. He's expecting to get hit and it is throwing him off. People will say he does not see the whole field. That is true but part of the reason is because he has been negatively trained by his OL over the years. Yes, some of the sacks are his fault but your brain gets trained. It's a big part of the problem.
Look at DeVito. He's making plays. Awesome but over time unless this OL gets fixed, we will see the same progresion as Eli and DJ.
If DeVito lights it up this year, then awesome. However, that doesn't mean he is going to get better next year and the year after. Sports are not linear. Think of it like a web. There are so many factors that have to be understood.
The Giants team is not on that level. They need a QB to make plays. The Giants QB needs to be part of the solution, not an extra piece added on at the end of a rebuild.
Also Purdy’s college production was much better than DeVito and Jones’
Yup. Would allow the Giants to move on from Taylor and spend that money on another player. Paying TD as the backup would be a nice savings
Giants fans seem to have lost perspective on what a QB playing well actually looks like. Totally understandable, it's been almost a decade since we've seen it with any consistency.
Agreed.
Of course, I am making a lot of assumptions here. We are able to draft a QB high in the draft and we cut the cord with Jones.
BTW, this is a very good opportunity to test some of Daboll's skills developing a QB. Great "QB whisperers" are able to maximize whomever they have at QB.
Giants fans seem to have lost perspective on what a QB playing well actually looks like. Totally understandable, it's been almost a decade since we've seen it with any consistency.
In the last 2 games he faced 2 shit teams playing at their worst
That DeVito will stay in one piece until the end of the season.
Good luck young man.
Look at DJ. When he came into the league, he did the same in the pocket as we were accustomed to with Eli. However, people criticized him for all the fumbles. Ok, we get that. Look at Jones now. He's messed up. He isn't the same player. Playing QB isn't some linear progression. As DJ's ball security has increased, his play in the pocket has decreased. He is running more. Okay, that works. However, his lack of reading a defense is now magnified. He's expecting to get hit and it is throwing him off. People will say he does not see the whole field. That is true but part of the reason is because he has been negatively trained by his OL over the years. Yes, some of the sacks are his fault but your brain gets trained. It's a big part of the problem.
Look at DeVito. He's making plays. Awesome but over time unless this OL gets fixed, we will see the same progresion as Eli and DJ.
If DeVito lights it up this year, then awesome. However, that doesn't mean he is going to get better next year and the year after. Sports are not linear. Think of it like a web. There are so many factors that have to be understood.
I 100% agree Robbie. My biggest concern has been (for a decade now) and will be getting this OL to a competitive level. People can say all they want about drafting the next big thing at QB, but anyone would be ruined behind this OL. DJ has never been great (although he's had some moments) but he is not nearly the same guy. He looked broken to me since opening day this season. We will not be able to compete with Dallas or Philly (SF, etc.) until we shore up both lines but ESPECIALLY the OL.
If it takes another 3-5 years to fix this line (the Giants have been trying to do this and failing for 10 years already), do you simply not take a QB for several more years?
If it takes another 3-5 years to fix this line (the Giants have been trying to do this and failing for 10 years already), do you simply not take a QB for several more years?
Indeed. And it's not possible to fix the OL with a QB who can't make presnap reads, can't read the field, and holds the ball too long.
If it takes another 3-5 years to fix this line (the Giants have been trying to do this and failing for 10 years already), do you simply not take a QB for several more years?
I hope you aren't including me in this group. I don't think the OL should be fixed before anything else. In an ideal world, yes, you have the pieces ready before you get your QB but we know that isn't reality. If you have a shot at getting a franchise QB then you take it. There is a clear difference between what you are labeling us as with "fix the OL before anything else" and making sure whatever QB you get has a chance to succeed. There is a lot of grey area between the two.
But he has absolutely solidified himself as a great backup QB to have. With upside.
Bout time this team caught a break somewhere
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Do you think the Bengals and Bills regret their decisions to draft Burrow and Allen before they "fixed" their Oline?
If it takes another 3-5 years to fix this line (the Giants have been trying to do this and failing for 10 years already), do you simply not take a QB for several more years?
I hope you aren't including me in this group. I don't think the OL should be fixed before anything else. In an ideal world, yes, you have the pieces ready before you get your QB but we know that isn't reality. If you have a shot at getting a franchise QB then you take it. There is a clear difference between what you are labeling us as with "fix the OL before anything else" and making sure whatever QB you get has a chance to succeed. There is a lot of grey area between the two.
This was not directed at you, robbie. I respect your posts on this and most other subjects as they are well reasoned and not stated as fact over and over.
There are a handful of posters who post some version of "A QB isn't fixing this team" or "If you don't fix the Oline it will break the QB." They post the same thing over and over as if it is some established logic.
If it takes another 3-5 years to fix this line (the Giants have been trying to do this and failing for 10 years already), do you simply not take a QB for several more years?
If you are directing that at me, the OL needs - NEEDS - to be better. A LOT better. For people that don't see this, I don't know what else to say. They have been better the past couple of weeks than the absolute DISASTER they were the first half of the season, but we are NEVER competing with Dallas and Philly until it is brought to a more functional level. Period. And to be clear I want the staff to pick a QB *IF* they have conviction. Don't just pick someone in panic mode. This team needs more horses, either way, we still have a LOT of holes. So, if they are NOT in love with any of the QBs this year, I'm fine with building the roster and NOT taking a QB.... or taking a developmental guy later in the draft.
Exactly, 100%
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We need a franchise QB.
The Giants havea franchise qb, and now it appears they have a very good back up qb. They can now focus on drafting olinemen and fixing the defense.
The Giants have a Franchise Defensive Tackle.
A Franchise QB plays on the other side, throws TDs and leads the offense to scoring points.
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We need a franchise QB.
The Giants havea franchise qb, and now it appears they have a very good back up qb. They can now focus on drafting olinemen and fixing the defense.
The Giants have nothing close to a franchise QB.
Everything you said was true except this. They are throwing the ball more and down the field more than they ever did in the Shanahan era.