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What happens if DeVito plays phenomenal

eric2425ny : 11/27/2023 9:47 am
the rest of the season? I realize he’s only played three games, but he’s taken a beating in a few of them and has still generated 6 TD passes in three games.

Not saying I expect this to happen, but if the kid keeps playing well and winning games do you skip QB in the draft and fill other needs? Especially if we end up picking in the 7-10 range. I mean Purdy was Mr. Irrelevant and he seems to be working out just fine for SF.
No.  
SirLoinOfBeef : 11/27/2023 9:49 am : link
We need a franchise QB.

 
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 11/27/2023 9:49 am : link
I like DeVito and think he’s looked the best of all the QBs this season. But I would still draft a QB.
He played really well against the Commanders  
Mike from Ohio : 11/27/2023 9:50 am : link
He was not impressive yesterday, nor was he particularly impressive against the Cowboys as the TDs were garbage time scores when the game was long since decided.

I hope this becomes a legit question, but as of right now DeVito is fighting to show he is QB depth, not a starting option.
SF has a much better surrounding cast  
KDavies : 11/27/2023 9:50 am : link
than the Giants
 
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 11/27/2023 9:51 am : link
* He’s looked the best of the Giants QBs we’ve seen behind center.
I think it's a fair and legit question.  
DC Gmen Fan : 11/27/2023 9:52 am : link
However, I think we should revisit this question in 6 weeks. Let's see what develops and how TDV develops.

I really hate the references to players like Purdy  
Matt M. : 11/27/2023 9:53 am : link
Yes, he was the last pick. He also went to an already stacked team. He is asked to do nothing but don't lose the game. He has playmakers and an outstanding D.

The Giants team is not on that level. They need a QB to make plays. The Giants QB needs to be part of the solution, not an extra piece added on at the end of a rebuild.
Devito  
TerpsFan27 : 11/27/2023 9:53 am : link
I absolutely love the guy, but even Purdy didn't get into that situation overnight. The 49ers had a very good to elite offense and defense for years.

He's the perfect backup; good enough to keep you in games and the fans love him.
QBR hates him  
Lambuth_Special : 11/27/2023 9:54 am : link
it didn't even like his Washington game all that much.

DeVito has shown one NFL-level skill: throwing outside the numbers in the intermediate-to-deep range. This has helped the Giants on some level because it helps allows them to control field position in games where the defense has an advantage.

On the other hand, DeVito hasn't really shown he can execute the plays that help teams sustain drives, which is why the 1st down numbers have been pretty bad the past two games (even against Washington). He doesn't utilize or normally see wide receivers in the middle of the field (he missed Wan'Dale multiple times yesterday) and takes sackes, which causes drives to stall out.

He has been worse than Tyrod and about equal with Jones, but this comes with caveat that Jones was among the worst QBs in the league in his starts. What DeVito does with deep throws is what Jones can accomplish with short throws and scrambles, but both have a problem producing a full-complement of plays that results in consistent scoring.
Then they have discovered  
Costy16 : 11/27/2023 9:54 am : link
A reliable backup QB for next season.
DeVito is playing himself into an NFL backup role  
JonC : 11/27/2023 9:55 am : link
but not a franchise QB to build around.
At best he’s a reliable back up......  
Simms11 : 11/27/2023 10:02 am : link
Someone that can come into a game and be capable of running an effective offense without the starter in there. He needs to continue to develop his situational awareness and ability to either throw the ball away or get the ball out to a hot read or check down. He’s still thinking too much and panicking when the first read is not there and he’s got some pressure. In doing so he’s tucking the ball and not getting too far. He can run, but he doesn’t have Jones wheels. Anyway, he might become a very solid back up if he can improve on those things. He’s not a guy that’s going to get you to the playoffs, at least not from what he’s currently showing. Nice story however.
This ^^^^  
UberAlias : 11/27/2023 10:02 am : link
Spot on
I don’t know if that will change anything but solidify  
SomeFan : 11/27/2023 10:04 am : link
that he makes the team next year. I also do not think that he will play phenomenal football. I do think he will get much better as he gains experience. Don’t want to see TT again this year especially if TD keeps the Giants in games and improves with the experience.
Would be shocking for him to do more than he is, really.  
Heisenberg : 11/27/2023 10:11 am : link
But he looks like a credible backup who can win some games if a starter misses games. Smart, tough and protects the ball. He's a pretty accurate passer too. If he learns to stop getting sacked so much he's really an asset to the team.
For him to be considered  
Biteymax22 : 11/27/2023 10:13 am : link
As an NFL starter and "franchise guy" there is a long way for him to go. Theoretically if he takes those steps, then yes role with him and don't take a QB in the draft.

The reality of the situation is that he was a very, very far off from being a franchise and I don't see him getting there, likely ever. That isn't a bad thing, he's proven to be a very capable back up and will allow us to not have to spend additional $$ to bring someone else in. DeVito developing into even just a good back up is a win for this organization, don't over look that.
Solution to 2024 backup QB at a very reasonable salary cap cost  
Rick in Dallas : 11/27/2023 10:22 am : link
That would be an awesome outcome
eric2425ny  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 11/27/2023 10:24 am : link
DeVito may not play another game this year.
what JonC said.  
Victor in CT : 11/27/2023 10:26 am : link
that would be great.
I truly believe that people don't understand how this works.  
robbieballs2003 : 11/27/2023 10:26 am : link
Look at Eli. Look at DJ. Look at DeVito. All three originally stood tall in the pocket. Having an OL like we have had for the past decade slowly wears on and changes their play. Look at Eli in the 2011 NFC Championship game. He took an absolute beating. The OL was not good back then. It was the beginning of the decline. But Eli still did what he was known for and that was being tough in the pocket. Look at Eli towars the end of his career. He was bailing out and throwing off his back foot a lot.

Look at DJ. When he came into the league, he did the same in the pocket as we were accustomed to with Eli. However, people criticized him for all the fumbles. Ok, we get that. Look at Jones now. He's messed up. He isn't the same player. Playing QB isn't some linear progression. As DJ's ball security has increased, his play in the pocket has decreased. He is running more. Okay, that works. However, his lack of reading a defense is now magnified. He's expecting to get hit and it is throwing him off. People will say he does not see the whole field. That is true but part of the reason is because he has been negatively trained by his OL over the years. Yes, some of the sacks are his fault but your brain gets trained. It's a big part of the problem.

Look at DeVito. He's making plays. Awesome but over time unless this OL gets fixed, we will see the same progresion as Eli and DJ.

If DeVito lights it up this year, then awesome. However, that doesn't mean he is going to get better next year and the year after. Sports are not linear. Think of it like a web. There are so many factors that have to be understood.
RE: I really hate the references to players like Purdy  
ajr2456 : 11/27/2023 10:30 am : link
In comment 16304043 Matt M. said:
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Yes, he was the last pick. He also went to an already stacked team. He is asked to do nothing but don't lose the game. He has playmakers and an outstanding D.

The Giants team is not on that level. They need a QB to make plays. The Giants QB needs to be part of the solution, not an extra piece added on at the end of a rebuild.


Also Purdy’s college production was much better than DeVito and Jones’
We won because of defense not Devito's QBing skills.  
penkap75 : 11/27/2023 10:31 am : link
Devito has shitty vision and is a sack magnet- both he and DJ seem allergic to throwing the ball away. Only TT seems to throw the ball away when no one is open. But I still want to see Devito play the rest of the way, we know what we have in TT and its good to give Devito the experience.
the only possible way he has any chance  
Fat Wally : 11/27/2023 10:35 am : link
of becoming the full time starter is if he somehow beats the eagles twice, then sneaks the giants into the playoffs and either wins the whole damn thing (god could you imagine how nuts the fanbase would be?) or gets to the NFC conference game like Purdy did.

RE: DeVito is playing himself into an NFL backup role  
jestersdead : 11/27/2023 10:39 am : link
In comment 16304058 JonC said:
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but not a franchise QB to build around.

Yup. Would allow the Giants to move on from Taylor and spend that money on another player. Paying TD as the backup would be a nice savings
DeVito is a fun story  
Gatorade Dunk : 11/27/2023 10:52 am : link
but in order to "keep playing well" he's going to have to start playing well.

Giants fans seem to have lost perspective on what a QB playing well actually looks like. Totally understandable, it's been almost a decade since we've seen it with any consistency.
Build  
Giants : 11/27/2023 10:56 am : link
A OL like the Eagles and 49ers
RE: DeVito is playing himself into an NFL backup role  
AcidTest : 11/27/2023 10:57 am : link
In comment 16304058 JonC said:
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but not a franchise QB to build around.


Agreed.
Ideally...  
bw in dc : 11/27/2023 10:59 am : link
if DeVito does play well, we may have a capable back-up to the QB we draft.

Of course, I am making a lot of assumptions here. We are able to draft a QB high in the draft and we cut the cord with Jones.

BTW, this is a very good opportunity to test some of Daboll's skills developing a QB. Great "QB whisperers" are able to maximize whomever they have at QB.

4 weeks .. TD has been with the starters 4 weeks. In the past 3 games,  
Spider56 : 11/27/2023 11:04 am : link
he has 6 TDS and only 1 INT. Yet, everyone knows there are at least 5-6 college guys (of which half have yet to play against a good defense) will be better options next year. Ok.
RE: DeVito is a fun story  
nochance : 11/27/2023 11:06 am : link
In comment 16304268 Gatorade Dunk said:
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but in order to "keep playing well" he's going to have to start playing well.

Giants fans seem to have lost perspective on what a QB playing well actually looks like. Totally understandable, it's been almost a decade since we've seen it with any consistency.



In the last 2 games he faced 2 shit teams playing at their worst
Right now, I don't know which is more unlikely:  
Marty in Albany : 11/27/2023 11:22 am : link
That DeVito is starter material.
That DeVito will stay in one piece until the end of the season.

Good luck young man.
RE: I truly believe that people don't understand how this works.  
Johnny5 : 11/27/2023 11:24 am : link
In comment 16304159 robbieballs2003 said:
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Look at Eli. Look at DJ. Look at DeVito. All three originally stood tall in the pocket. Having an OL like we have had for the past decade slowly wears on and changes their play. Look at Eli in the 2011 NFC Championship game. He took an absolute beating. The OL was not good back then. It was the beginning of the decline. But Eli still did what he was known for and that was being tough in the pocket. Look at Eli towars the end of his career. He was bailing out and throwing off his back foot a lot.

Look at DJ. When he came into the league, he did the same in the pocket as we were accustomed to with Eli. However, people criticized him for all the fumbles. Ok, we get that. Look at Jones now. He's messed up. He isn't the same player. Playing QB isn't some linear progression. As DJ's ball security has increased, his play in the pocket has decreased. He is running more. Okay, that works. However, his lack of reading a defense is now magnified. He's expecting to get hit and it is throwing him off. People will say he does not see the whole field. That is true but part of the reason is because he has been negatively trained by his OL over the years. Yes, some of the sacks are his fault but your brain gets trained. It's a big part of the problem.

Look at DeVito. He's making plays. Awesome but over time unless this OL gets fixed, we will see the same progresion as Eli and DJ.

If DeVito lights it up this year, then awesome. However, that doesn't mean he is going to get better next year and the year after. Sports are not linear. Think of it like a web. There are so many factors that have to be understood.

I 100% agree Robbie. My biggest concern has been (for a decade now) and will be getting this OL to a competitive level. People can say all they want about drafting the next big thing at QB, but anyone would be ruined behind this OL. DJ has never been great (although he's had some moments) but he is not nearly the same guy. He looked broken to me since opening day this season. We will not be able to compete with Dallas or Philly (SF, etc.) until we shore up both lines but ESPECIALLY the OL.
They still draft a QB or acquire on via FA  
logman : 11/27/2023 11:29 am : link
in this scenario. Taylor is almost surely gone. Matt Barkley isn't the guy. Jones will be on the roster, but rehabbing in the spring. They have to bring in another QB no matter what, if for no other reason, logistics
what happens  
ElitoCanton : 11/27/2023 11:32 am : link
If I grow wings and can fly. Just as likely.
For the "fix the Oline before anything else" crowd  
Mike from Ohio : 11/27/2023 12:13 pm : link
Do you think the Bengals and Bills regret their decisions to draft Burrow and Allen before they "fixed" their Oline?

If it takes another 3-5 years to fix this line (the Giants have been trying to do this and failing for 10 years already), do you simply not take a QB for several more years?
RE: For the  
jinkies : 11/27/2023 12:16 pm : link
In comment 16304556 Mike from Ohio said:
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Do you think the Bengals and Bills regret their decisions to draft Burrow and Allen before they "fixed" their Oline?

If it takes another 3-5 years to fix this line (the Giants have been trying to do this and failing for 10 years already), do you simply not take a QB for several more years?


Indeed. And it's not possible to fix the OL with a QB who can't make presnap reads, can't read the field, and holds the ball too long.
The Giants Next True Franchise QB  
lax counsel : 11/27/2023 12:16 pm : link
Is not on this roster. The sooner everyone makes peace with that, the sooner we can all realize just how far away from real contention this organization really is. The Giants need to prioritize scouting and doing what it takes to land the next guy.
RE: For the  
robbieballs2003 : 11/27/2023 12:23 pm : link
In comment 16304556 Mike from Ohio said:
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Do you think the Bengals and Bills regret their decisions to draft Burrow and Allen before they "fixed" their Oline?

If it takes another 3-5 years to fix this line (the Giants have been trying to do this and failing for 10 years already), do you simply not take a QB for several more years?


I hope you aren't including me in this group. I don't think the OL should be fixed before anything else. In an ideal world, yes, you have the pieces ready before you get your QB but we know that isn't reality. If you have a shot at getting a franchise QB then you take it. There is a clear difference between what you are labeling us as with "fix the OL before anything else" and making sure whatever QB you get has a chance to succeed. There is a lot of grey area between the two.
Considering his first game action  
Shecky : 11/27/2023 12:30 pm : link
The offense refused to throw the ball, I think it’s silly to think of him as a starter.

But he has absolutely solidified himself as a great backup QB to have. With upside.

Bout time this team caught a break somewhere
RE: RE: For the  
Mike from Ohio : 11/27/2023 12:31 pm : link
In comment 16304581 robbieballs2003 said:
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In comment 16304556 Mike from Ohio said:


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Do you think the Bengals and Bills regret their decisions to draft Burrow and Allen before they "fixed" their Oline?

If it takes another 3-5 years to fix this line (the Giants have been trying to do this and failing for 10 years already), do you simply not take a QB for several more years?



I hope you aren't including me in this group. I don't think the OL should be fixed before anything else. In an ideal world, yes, you have the pieces ready before you get your QB but we know that isn't reality. If you have a shot at getting a franchise QB then you take it. There is a clear difference between what you are labeling us as with "fix the OL before anything else" and making sure whatever QB you get has a chance to succeed. There is a lot of grey area between the two.


This was not directed at you, robbie. I respect your posts on this and most other subjects as they are well reasoned and not stated as fact over and over.

There are a handful of posters who post some version of "A QB isn't fixing this team" or "If you don't fix the Oline it will break the QB." They post the same thing over and over as if it is some established logic.
RE: No.  
Jack Stroud : 11/27/2023 12:52 pm : link
In comment 16304026 SirLoinOfBeef said:
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We need a franchise QB.
The Giants havea franchise qb, and now it appears they have a very good back up qb. They can now focus on drafting olinemen and fixing the defense.
RE: For the  
Johnny5 : 11/27/2023 2:15 pm : link
In comment 16304556 Mike from Ohio said:
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Do you think the Bengals and Bills regret their decisions to draft Burrow and Allen before they "fixed" their Oline?

If it takes another 3-5 years to fix this line (the Giants have been trying to do this and failing for 10 years already), do you simply not take a QB for several more years?

If you are directing that at me, the OL needs - NEEDS - to be better. A LOT better. For people that don't see this, I don't know what else to say. They have been better the past couple of weeks than the absolute DISASTER they were the first half of the season, but we are NEVER competing with Dallas and Philly until it is brought to a more functional level. Period. And to be clear I want the staff to pick a QB *IF* they have conviction. Don't just pick someone in panic mode. This team needs more horses, either way, we still have a LOT of holes. So, if they are NOT in love with any of the QBs this year, I'm fine with building the roster and NOT taking a QB.... or taking a developmental guy later in the draft.
RE: Build  
prdave73 : 11/27/2023 5:21 pm : link
In comment 16304278 Giants said:
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A OL like the Eagles and 49ers



Exactly, 100%
RE: RE: No.  
Gatorade Dunk : 11/27/2023 5:52 pm : link
In comment 16304669 Jack Stroud said:
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The Giants havea franchise qb

RE: RE: No.  
ThomasG : 11/27/2023 6:45 pm : link
In comment 16304669 Jack Stroud said:
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In comment 16304026 SirLoinOfBeef said:


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We need a franchise QB.


The Giants havea franchise qb, and now it appears they have a very good back up qb. They can now focus on drafting olinemen and fixing the defense.


The Giants have a Franchise Defensive Tackle.

A Franchise QB plays on the other side, throws TDs and leads the offense to scoring points.
He hasn't approached phenomenal  
Bill in UT : 11/27/2023 6:47 pm : link
If he does, he'll have to be taken seriously into the equation. Right now, I hope they keep him in to see if he's at least a viable backup
It gets more difficult the more he plays, not easier.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 11/27/2023 6:51 pm : link
Every game allows the next team to prepare more.
RE: RE: No.  
TyreeHelmet : 11/27/2023 7:10 pm : link
In comment 16304669 Jack Stroud said:
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In comment 16304026 SirLoinOfBeef said:


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We need a franchise QB.


The Giants havea franchise qb, and now it appears they have a very good back up qb. They can now focus on drafting olinemen and fixing the defense.


The Giants have nothing close to a franchise QB.
RE: I really hate the references to players like Purdy  
black aces : 11/27/2023 7:29 pm : link
In comment 16304043 Matt M. said:
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He is asked to do nothing but don't lose the game.


Everything you said was true except this. They are throwing the ball more and down the field more than they ever did in the Shanahan era.
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