Rate the NYG quarterbacks in order of preference

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Simms
Collins
Hofstetter

I see no significant difference in the rest of the choices provided

Ugh

Eli Manning
Kerry Collins
Phil Simms
Jeff Hostetler
Dimes
Danny kanell
Kent Graham
Dave Brown

Simms

Hoss

Eli. Simms. Collins. Hoss. Jones. Graham. Kannell. Brown.

In comment 16304990 logman said:

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Simms Collins Hofstetter I see no significant difference in the rest of the choices provided

I can just see Kerry Collins standing in there and delivering against the 1990 Niners at the stick.


Just kidding, no I can't.

Simms first, Eli second, Hoss third.

As much as I don't like Jones, I don't think I can put him below Dave Brown for the last spot.

Eli Manning
Phil Simms
Kerry Collins
Daniel Jones
Jeff Hostetler
Dave Brown
Danny Kanell
Kent Graham

The choice between the two is tough. Different teams/eras. I would have to go with Manning.

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Trying to follow directions, so my ONE guy is ...

Eli

In comment 16304997 djm said:

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In comment 16304990 logman said: Quote: Simms Collins Hofstetter I see no significant difference in the rest of the choices provided I can just see Kerry Collins standing in there and delivering against the 1990 Niners at the stick. Just kidding, no I can't.

I don't see Hoss lighting up Minnesota for 41-0

Eli
Simms
Collins
Hostetler
Jones
Graham
Kanell
Brown

Simms.

Rating them all


Simms
Eli
Hostetler
Collins (but I really like him)
Jones
Graham
Kanell
Brown

In comment 16305015 Trainmaster said:

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Trying to follow directions, so my ONE guy is ... Eli

Um, it clearly says to rate in order of preference....

In comment 16305019 cjac said:

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Eli Simms Collins Hostetler Jones Graham Kanell Brown

Agree with this list. And to answer Eric's question more directly it would be Eli without hesitation, as much as I loved Phil Simms.

Simms #2

and is isn't close. Simms was great, but the Giants usually won with him. Not because of him. The Giants won because of Eli.

In comment 16305024 JonA1979 said:

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Simms. Rating them all Simms Eli Hostetler Collins (but I really like him) Jones Graham Kanell Brown

This would be my view too. (My wife wants Jesse Palmer on a write in)

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Simms is the easy choice for me

Simms#2

In comment 16305039 ElitoCanton said:

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and is isn't close. Simms was great, but the Giants usually won with him. Not because of him. The Giants won because of Eli.

Simms threw for 4000 yards back when it really meant something, and he did it throwing to Lionel Manuel, Bobby Johnson, Earnest Gray, and Byron Williams. He never had receivers like Toomer, Burress, Nicks, Smith, Cruz, and Beckham.

I mean we usually started 0-2 under Eli, right? We had that kind of streak for a while.


Simms

Hostetler
Simms
Eli
DJ
Collins
Kanell
K. Graham
D. Brown

In comment 16305016 logman said:

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In comment 16304997 djm said: Quote: In comment 16304990 logman said: Quote: Simms Collins Hofstetter I see no significant difference in the rest of the choices provided I can just see Kerry Collins standing in there and delivering against the 1990 Niners at the stick. Just kidding, no I can't. I don't see Hoss lighting up Minnesota for 41-0

Fair. Hoss had his limitations but Collins was the little girl in curls. When he was good, wonderful, when he was bad, run for the hills.

Apples and oranges to an extent but to me Hoss was the more dependable player. Collins was probably the more prolific player though, I will give you that.

That said, If I am playing a big time defense I want no part of Kerry Collins as my QB. Fool me once.

any person even remotely hinting that Dave Brown was equal to Jones, let alone better than Jones, shouldn't be allowed to comment on QBs ever again. Just stop with the bias already. Be objective for the sake of fucking anything holy.

Jones had ONE good year. Jones never had one good month. Cmon guys. Be fair.

But he totally looked scared in that SB that will not be named and that was it for him.....bringing us ELI.

Having said that.......

Simms
Eli
Collins

then blah

1. Manning
2. Simms
3. Hostetler
4. Collins
5. Jones
6. Graham
7. Kanell
8. Brown

Even more important that starting the season, he’d play every game and finish it

But Eli is great in the playoffs...then Collins and everyone else after.

Dude threw 30 TD's in 1962 and followed that up with 36 TD's in 1963, throwing for over 3,000 yards in each 14 GAME season - a record that stood until Dan Marino. In those 2 seasons he was the best QB the Giants ever had.

In the modern era, the answer is Eli Manning. Comparing stats, no other Giant QB comes close, and in hindsight, Manning spent half of his career running for his life. Despite heavy criticism from BBI, he still managed to have a HOF career. I miss him, I miss his 4,000 yards per season, I miss the low interception rates.


2. Phil Simms. Simms was frustrating early in his career - like Manning, had awful O-lines and high sack totals but by year 5, Simms was rightfully an All-Pro and toward the end of his career, was amazing - unflappable, super low INT numbers.

Kerry Collins was really good - a breath of fresh air in the dark ages of Giant QB's, a great QB with a rocket arm and frankly, I was pissed the Giants drafted Eli when Collins was still playing very well.

Daniel Jones proved that he could get the job done last season, then seemed to forget everything he proved once this season rolled around. Hopefully, he heals up and gets his head out of his ass in 24'.

Hoss was a great backup who was the right guy in the 90' playoffs, but honestly, an average QB at best.

And let's not speak of the late 90's dark ages...
Dave Brown
Danny Kanell
Kent Graham

1. Eli
2. Simms (VERY close between him and Eli. Coin flip)
3. Hostetler
4. Collins
5. Graham
6. Brown
7. Jones
8. Kanell

Eli Manning.

1. Eli Manning
2. Phil Simms
3. Kerry Collins
4. Jeff Hostetler
5. Daniel Jones
6. Danny Kanell
7. Kent Graham
8. Dave Brown

You could also throw Kurt Warner into the mix. Peak Warner (not Giants Warner...) is very likely as good as Manning.

Eli
Simms
Hostetler
Jones

Meh

following directions.

I'll take the worst of the two time SB MVPs, please.

rest are meh

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But for us old timers you should have also included

Tittle
Conerly
Tarkington

In comment 16305145 Blueworm said:

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following directions. I'll take the worst of the two time SB MVPs, please.

Eric did ask to "rate the NYG quarterbacks in order of preference".

with Simms a close second. Hostetler and Collins get honorable mentions (although they were nothing alike as QBs) and the rest were just JAGs. Agree about including Tittle and Conerly. Tarkenton was also certainly better than some of those mentioned, as was Earl Morrall for that matter.

In comment 16305179 joeinpa said:

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But for us old timers you should have also included Tittle Conerly Tarkington

Agree with this

Simms after him. I would probably go Collins then Hoss after that.

Gap

Simms

Gap

Hostetler
Collins
Jones
Graham
Brown
Kannel

Although I am pretty agnostic with the last three, and Jones could still move down depending on the rest of his career.

1) Simms
2) Eli (love Eli, but Simms did more with less)
3) Tittle
4) Conerly
5) Collins (Best arm I've ever seen at Giants QB)
6) Tarkington
7) Morrall
8) Hostetler
9) Jones
10) Graham
11) Brown

knowing he won't miss a game. The rest would be...

Phil Simms
Kerry Collins
Jeff Hostetler
Daniel Jones
Danny Kanell
Kent Graham
Dave Brown

1. Eli
2. Simms
3. Tarkenton
4. Collins
5. Hostetler

Kurt Warner, Craig Morton and Earl Morral were successful quarterbacks elsewhere who had little impact on Giants success. Everyone else was essentially varying degrees of meh talent...

In comment 16305078 Andrew in Austin said:

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1. Manning 2. Simms 3. Hostetler 4. Collins 5. Jones 6. Graham 7. Kanell 8. Brown

Agree with this.

In comment 16305255 JohnF said:

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1) Simms 2) Eli (love Eli, but Simms did more with less) 3) Tittle 4) Conerly 5) Collins (Best arm I've ever seen at Giants QB) 6) Tarkington 7) Morrall 8) Hostetler 9) Jones 10) Graham 11) Brown

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If the question is a QB to win the season opener, I would pick Tarkenton who rarely had a stinker game. If the question is a QB to win the Super Bowl, I pick Eli or Simms, pretty much a tossup.

Simms
Manning

Collins
Hostetler
Jones

Kanell
Graham
Brown

Simms, narrowly over Eli
Manning, completes the top level so draw a line in the sand

Hostetler, easily the best of the rest on Eric's list

Jones, can win games - but titles ?
Collins, could win games but not titles

Graham
Kanell

Brown, apparently never had the support of his team

I'd add in Charlie Conerly and Y.A Tittle after Manning, and Earl Morrell after Hostetler. Craig Morton, Norm Snead, and a few others would slot in below Collins somewhere.

....these guy stretch across different eras.

When Simms played, the defense literally tried to kill you. I watched a YouTube of Simms playing the Bears in 1993 and he took hits to the head three plays in a row. No flags.

But Eli has more hardware and longevity so he gets the nod over Phil to start the season.

The cannon arm of Kerry or Graham. The brain and durability of Eli. The legs and athleticism of Jones. The toughness grit and not afraid to get in an opponent’s face of Simms.

Order. But Phil is a close second. Nothing beats the playoff run Eli had or knocking Brady and Patriots into a one loss team in the Super Bowl. Nobody touches that I can think of. Ever.

a lack of love for Hostetler from this organization.

I don't mean judging him on a career basis, but just that one stretch where he came off the bench and swept the table, including two of the biggest wins in the history of the franchise.

At least put him in the circle of honor, or whatever they call it.

Eli
Kerry
Hoss

Eli is the only one I know who's going to play every game.

In comment 16305250 mfjmfj said:

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Gap Simms Gap Hostetler Collins Jones Graham Brown Kannel Although I am pretty agnostic with the last three, and Jones could still move down depending on the rest of his career.

Eli

small gap

Simms

small gap

Hostetler (people forget what he did with the Raiders after he left)
Collins

Gap
Gap
Gap

the rest of the turds in the list.

Eli
Collins
Jeff Hostetler
Kent Graham
Daniel Jones
Danny Kanell
Dave Brown

Even if you think the talent is close Simms gets a deduction for the injuries. I’ve seen enough injury prone players the last few years.

Simms was only other choice but its not close

Eli played in 72 more games but only played 1 more season then Phil

take Phils 5 best seasons (84-89 not counting 87) avg
3556 yards 55% 18 TDs

vs Elis Career avg
3564 yards 60% 23 TDs

Phil at his peek was close to avg Eli.

In comment 16305672 Dankbeerman said:

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Simms was only other choice but its not close Eli played in 72 more games but only played 1 more season then Phil take Phils 5 best seasons (84-89 not counting 87) avg 3556 yards 55% 18 TDs vs Elis Career avg 3564 yards 60% 23 TDs Phil at his peek was close to avg Eli.

I agree with Eli over Simms, but - Eanest Gray, Lionel Manuel and Mark Ingraham vs Toomer, Burress, Cruz, Nick's, OBJ?

Beyond 'Apples to Oranges'.

In the '80s, it was very rare for a QB to throw for 4000 yards. Now, it's routine.

In comment 16305804 x meadowlander said:

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In comment 16305672 Dankbeerman said: Quote: Simms was only other choice but its not close Eli played in 72 more games but only played 1 more season then Phil take Phils 5 best seasons (84-89 not counting 87) avg 3556 yards 55% 18 TDs vs Elis Career avg 3564 yards 60% 23 TDs Phil at his peek was close to avg Eli. I agree with Eli over Simms, but - Eanest Gray, Lionel Manuel and Mark Ingraham vs Toomer, Burress, Cruz, Nick's, OBJ? Beyond 'Apples to Oranges'.

Different game as well. Simms is my all time favorite Giants offensive player. But he is not close to Eli. Even if he was never injured his peaks were not nearly as high and his valleys were much lower. He was an interception machine for much of his career. I think people's memories are rosier than reality. And again I love Phil. Eli will be in the hall of fame. No one seriously considers Phil in that conversation.

Eli Manning
Phil Simms
Jeff Hostetler
Kerry Collins
Danny Kanell
Tommy DeVito
Daniel Jones
Kent Graham
Dave Brown

But the guy who led the league in interceptions three times wasn't?

how Hostetler would do in today's NFL. He had all the tools. And he never got to play much during what would have been his prime years.

In comment 16305003 bw in dc said:

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Simms first, Eli second, Hoss third. As much as I don't like Jones, I don't think I can put him below Dave Brown for the last spot.

Agree on Simms. I remember John Madden discussing what he'd want in a QB. He used current players as a composite and he had Simms listed for his "heart."

think i go jones bc he's at least got the mobility. collins was a sitting duck and an INT machine, though he was supremely durable. that one is a close call. odds are kerry will end up with the better career thanks to his durability unless jones has a good second act like alex smith or tannehill, but for starting a season healthy i think id take jones.

Eli Manning
Phil Simms

Daniel Jones
Kerry Collins
Jeff Hostetler

Danny Kanell
Kent Graham
Dave Brown

the bottom 3 were obviously career backups (or worse in Browns case). ranking them above any of the middle 3 is crazy. on their best day none of them had the capacity to do what kerry did vs MIN/SF or Jones did vs MIN or what Hostetler did in '90 in postseason.

In comment 16305828 Greg from LI said:

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In the '80s, it was very rare for a QB to throw for 4000 yards. Now, it's routine.

Yep it's impossible to truly compare stats from today to then. Not even worth it. As you said, Simms played in the best division in sports history, that's not hyperbole. It was that good. Eli had his own badge of honor with clutch play and taking down some titans in the postseason.

Simms was hurt by injuries. Eli wasn't. Both had their strengths and weaknesses. IF I had to choose I am simply going the safer route, Eli. But I'd feel comfortable with either.

Eli Manning/Phil Simms
Jeff Hostetler
Kerry Collins
Daniel Jones
Kent Graham
Danny Kanell
Dave Brown

and Simms wasn't. I do, however, wonder if Eli would have been as much of an ironman if he had played in that era. I don't know if you all have noticed this, but defenders could beat the daylights out of quarterbacks back then in a way that would draw a rain of yellow flags today.

In comment 16305804 x meadowlander said:

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In comment 16305672 Dankbeerman said: Quote: Simms was only other choice but its not close Eli played in 72 more games but only played 1 more season then Phil take Phils 5 best seasons (84-89 not counting 87) avg 3556 yards 55% 18 TDs vs Elis Career avg 3564 yards 60% 23 TDs Phil at his peek was close to avg Eli. I agree with Eli over Simms, but - Eanest Gray, Lionel Manuel and Mark Ingraham vs Toomer, Burress, Cruz, Nick's, OBJ? Beyond 'Apples to Oranges'.

I get the he had better weapons theory but I contend that Eli made all of his receivers better. None of those players has put up equal stats somewhere else.

Then think of the other guys he made look good.
Steve Smith
Jake Ballard
Martelus Bennet
Maningham