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For the optimists (staying alive) after CHI win over MIN

ray in arlington : 11/27/2023 11:28 pm
NYG have moved into 3rd place in the NFC East.
NYG cannot be eliminated next week.

Percentages of making playoffs from NYTimes Simulator:
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NYG Lose to:
Nobody 89
only PHI: 43
only NO: 33
only LAR: 26
only GB: 19
Lose twice: less than 2


Probably these teams are looking for 2nd and 3rd wild card spots:

SEA 6-5 beat NYG
MIN 6-6 will have same or worse conf record than NYG
GB 5-6 result vs NYG TBD
(ATL 5-6 is division leader)
NO 5-6
LAR 5-6

SEA plays DAL Thursday night.
Appreciate the double duty  
dancing blue bear : 11/27/2023 11:35 pm : link
Pessimists find more money cause they’re always looking down.

But A daydream is cheap entertainment

ideal plan to have the giants take the field on monday with one game  
bigbluewillrise : 11/27/2023 11:35 pm : link
out of the loss... meaningful December football (:

rooting for the cowboys on thursday night vs Seattle which would put the 6 seed at six losses.

DAL over SEA
DET over NO
NYJ over ATL

im actually rooting for the commanders over MIA. we cant have WAS get a franchise QB or a big draft haul.

CAR over TB - they will get the new head coach bump.
CLE over LAR
KC over GB

i think all should be heavy favorites expect CAR, WAS, NYJ.

that would put both 6/7 seeds at 6 losses and everyone else at 7-8 losses.

the 6/7 seeds will play on the road in week 14 with SEA at SF and MIN at the feisty Raiders.

The giants could enter monday night football in week 14 one game out of the playoffs. wow.
A little confusing on the face of it  
Bill in UT : 11/27/2023 11:37 pm : link
It says if the Giants lose only to Philly, they have a 43% chance at the playoffs. Because they have 2 games with Philly, it really should say if they lose to Philly only once, they have a 43% chance. As it says later, if they lose 2 games period they have a 2% chance.
imo a 9 win team is making the playoffs  
bigbluewillrise : 11/27/2023 11:38 pm : link
i think thts for sure happening.
typo i meant a 9 loss team  
bigbluewillrise : 11/27/2023 11:38 pm : link
will for sure make the playoffs in the nfc.
RE: A little confusing on the face of it  
ray in arlington : 11/27/2023 11:38 pm : link
In comment 16305659 Bill in UT said:
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It says if the Giants lose only to Philly, they have a 43% chance at the playoffs. Because they have 2 games with Philly, it really should say if they lose to Philly only once, they have a 43% chance. As it says later, if they lose 2 games period they have a 2% chance.


I mean only losing 1 game, and that game is lost to PHI.

So yes  
ray in arlington : 11/27/2023 11:42 pm : link
I could have been clearer about that. You have it right.
MIN can have a better conference record than NYG  
RutgersGiantsFan : 11/28/2023 12:25 am : link
NYG went 1-4 vs AFC. MIN is 0-3 vs AFC losing to KC, LAC, and DEN with games against LV and CIN left. If MIN loses both those games they will be 0-5 vs AFC, which means a better conference record than NYG in a tie.
One other interesting note with MIN  
RutgersGiantsFan : 11/28/2023 12:29 am : link
MIN is 1-1 vs DET and CHI and GB is 2-1 vs DET and CHI. If GB beats MIN in the rematch and has a better DIV record than MIN, GB can cover MIN. LAR covers SEA already with the H2H sweep. NYG can pick up a H2H tiebreaker over GB and LAR by beating them, so we might end up rooting for GB and LAR to finish with the exact same record as NYG, so that GB and LAR can shield NYG from MIN and SEA respectively.
RE: ideal plan to have the giants take the field on monday with one game  
joeinpa : 11/28/2023 8:07 am : link
In comment 16305657 bigbluewillrise said:
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out of the loss... meaningful December football (:

rooting for the cowboys on thursday night vs Seattle which would put the 6 seed at six losses.

DAL over SEA
DET over NO
NYJ over ATL

im actually rooting for the commanders over MIA. we cant have WAS get a franchise QB or a big draft haul.

CAR over TB - they will get the new head coach bump.
CLE over LAR
KC over GB

i think all should be heavy favorites expect CAR, WAS, NYJ.

that would put both 6/7 seeds at 6 losses and everyone else at 7-8 losses.

the 6/7 seeds will play on the road in week 14 with SEA at SF and MIN at the feisty Raiders.

The giants could enter monday night football in week 14 one game out of the playoffs. wow.


I know you’re being somewhat facetious here, with good reasoning
But games are meaningful until they are not. Of course a game being mathematically meaningful is in no way related to the teams ability to take advantage of any opportunity presented to them with meaningful games.

But if Giants win against Green Bay…….you ll begin seeing them listed as “In the hunt” on the pregame shows.



What is amazing is that this is a bad team  
mfjmfj : 11/28/2023 8:27 am : link
that has played some of the worst football I have ever seen, yet if they won two games they should have won (Bills, Jets) they would have a pretty easy path to the playoffs.
Teams listed as In The Hunt on pregame shows  
ThomasG : 11/28/2023 8:28 am : link
often have the common problem of not having a good enough QB and not having a bad enough record to draft one.
RE: MIN can have a better conference record than NYG  
ray in arlington : 11/28/2023 8:28 am : link
In comment 16305679 RutgersGiantsFan said:
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NYG went 1-4 vs AFC. MIN is 0-3 vs AFC losing to KC, LAC, and DEN with games against LV and CIN left. If MIN loses both those games they will be 0-5 vs AFC, which means a better conference record than NYG in a tie.


Thanks for catching that - don't know why I wrote "worse" when I saw the same thing (that MIN is winless in the AFC with 1 game to go).
RE: What is amazing is that this is a bad team  
Lambuth_Special : 11/28/2023 8:32 am : link
In comment 16305745 mfjmfj said:
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that has played some of the worst football I have ever seen, yet if they won two games they should have won (Bills, Jets) they would have a pretty easy path to the playoffs.


Agreed, and it kind of speaks to the whole "let the games play out" philosophy of looking at a schedule before the season and projecting performance. We all thought that Jones would likely need to raise his game to top-ten level for the Giants to be competitive given their schedule, yet all they would've needed is league average QB play among the 3 QBs to be sitting pretty at this point.
Wouldn't be surprised at all  
Lambuth_Special : 11/28/2023 8:37 am : link
If the Giants win the next two. Saints are slowly falling apart and while Jordan Love has looked great recently, the Giants pass defense has been very good at home all season.

I totally see the team being 6-8 going into the Eagles game and having whatever remaining hope crushed. As much as the Eagles look vulnerable, their offense is custom-made the grind the Giants D to dust. Then I see the Rams likely winning as well if they start Stafford; McVeigh has a grudge against the Giants so he will pull out all the stops.
Eh  
BigBlueShock : 11/28/2023 8:43 am : link
Them squeaking into the playoffs likely leads to a trip to San Francisco for a Wild Card curb stomping. Personally, I have no appetite for that. If this team had a punchers chance to make a run, sure. They don’t.

Getting embarrassed in the playoffs again and picking in the mid 20’s is the worst thing that can happen to a team that desperately needs a talent infusion
Seattle coming off a blowout loss  
OBJ_AllDay : 11/28/2023 9:33 am : link
Cowboys coming off some blowout wins... feels like a definite seattle cover on deck with a potential upset..
RE: Wouldn't be surprised at all  
Ivan15 : 11/28/2023 10:12 am : link
In comment 16305756 Lambuth_Special said:
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If the Giants win the next two. Saints are slowly falling apart and while Jordan Love has looked great recently, the Giants pass defense has been very good at home all season.

I totally see the team being 6-8 going into the Eagles game and having whatever remaining hope crushed. As much as the Eagles look vulnerable, their offense is custom-made the grind the Giants D to dust. Then I see the Rams likely winning as well if they start Stafford; McVeigh has a grudge against the Giants so he will pull out all the stops.
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What is McVay’s grudge against the Giants? Is it because his grandfather was HC for the Giants in “the fumble” game? Is it because the 49ers didn’t win every Super Bowl in the 80s and 90s when his grandfather was GM? Is that why McVay changed his last name to McVeigh?
RE: Teams listed as In The Hunt on pregame shows  
joeinpa : 11/28/2023 12:28 pm : link
In comment 16305746 ThomasG said:
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often have the common problem of not having a good enough QB and not having a bad enough record to draft one.


Thomas, if it s ok with you I ll watch the game with a few of our 11 grandkids, 11 year olds, and pretend the games still matter.

They haven’t quite reached the state of jadedness you seem to be at.

Jeez, some of you guys are really miserable when it comes to discussing this team
Holy shit!  
200711 : 11/29/2023 4:35 pm : link
For some reason, the 2002 season suddenly popped into my head.

Drop one to Philly then a "Win And In" game at home against them again on the final game of the regular season.

2002 was one of my favorite seasons ever for that one Week 17 game alone.

One can dream...

Maybe I'll throw $10 on it.
"Don't look at me!! Run!! No!! Don't come over here..."  
200711 : 11/29/2023 5:17 pm : link
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