LW, yeah, I do think he could bring the Giants to a SB.
He brought them to the divisional round with a pretty shitty roster. I think if he improves as a player and the Giants improve their roster, they can get there.
First full season he was third in touchdown passes. Compared to Eli before his light went on, Jones’ light isn’t even plugged in and he’s sticking a fork in the socket.
I may be wrong, and if I am...cool. As I said, Giants may trade up for Williams or Maye. I'd love it. I think both are absolutely unequivocally better players and prospects than Jones, obviously.
But again, I would still like the strategy of nailing 3 top 50 picks for the roster as a whole along with some value FA, and think we could be on to something as well.
The Giants should likely be 5-7 or 6-6 right now. They aren't as far off as everyone thinks, in my opinion.
I have to say, you are unapologetically bullish when it comes to Jones. I completely disagree, but you give opinions and this is a message board, so it doesn't bother me like it does others.
But, I'll say this - based on your thoughts with Jones, the Eagles could have done the same thing with Wentz. They didn't and it's paying off for them. You have to know when it's time to move on.
GD, there is not a single poster on this message board or any Giants fan who would somehow magically root for the success of Daniel Jones over the success of the Giants as a team.
That is a completely made up thing. Nobody would be a true fan of the Giants if that were the case.
I love the Giants. I also think Jones can be really good. I also would not give a shit if they drafted another QB who becomes great and the team is great.
I am not sure why you guys continue to say things like that.
When someone trashes every individual player on the OL, and every individual player in the WR corps, and every individual player in the TE group, just so that they can avoid placing ANY blame on DJ, that is absolutely rooting for one player above the team. They're willing to trash 20 guys to preserve their view of one guy.
I will say this to your credit, Ryan - I believe you're generally consistent. I think it bothers you to see any Giants player struggle, and I think you tend to be reluctant to criticize any of them. But I think that brings about a separate credibility issue. It's hard to take your patience seriously when you were also pleading with the board to "let it play out" through Ereck Flowers' time here, for example.
But for the posters to whom I'm referring, they are completely comfortable talking shit about every player and coach involved with the offense, except for Daniel Jones. They would cycle through OCs every year rather than replace the QB. They would draft nothing but OL and WRs every year because they're convinced that it couldn't possibly be Jones's fault. That's what constitutes a DJFC POV, IMO.
Would you like for me to go find some of the posts where this happens? Or can we agree that it's a fairly prevalent occurrence among a small subset of the fanbase?
Jones threw double the amount of TD passes as games played as a rookie. He was then told to play pussy football for 2 seasons, and was starting to show some things again with Daboll, which restarted his career a bit.
The guy knows how to throw TD passes. He hasn't done enough of it obviously - everyone knows that.
But he didn't just wake up one day and say hey you know what I'm going to not throw TD passes today. The team was abysmal and he had zero time to throw the ball the first month, aside from one game.
ajr, and Jones was tied for 7th in TD passes as a rookie, where he played 12 games. What does it matter?
I thought only the Daboll years count?
What is your point? I'm saying it doesn't matter. It was a long time ago and I think Daboll restarted his career, I could care less what happened previously.
You made the point about Eli having a lot of TD passes his first full season, and so I countered with Jones doing basically the same thing as a rookie.
I'm not trashing individual players. I'm saying the collective groups have been pretty much a disaster for a number of years. OL aside from Thomas has been bad. WR aside from a few flashes here and there have been very medicore. Engram - to his credit he turned it out - was a walking turnover everytime we threw it his way.
I have to say, you are unapologetically bullish when it comes to Jones. I completely disagree, but you give opinions and this is a message board, so it doesn't bother me like it does others.
But, I'll say this - based on your thoughts with Jones, the Eagles could have done the same thing with Wentz. They didn't and it's paying off for them. You have to know when it's time to move on.
Totally - and if Schoen chooses to do that - I will be on board and be with Schoen 100%.
Jones threw double the amount of TD passes as games played as a rookie. He was then told to play pussy football for 2 seasons, and was starting to show some things again with Daboll, which restarted his career a bit.
The guy knows how to throw TD passes. He hasn't done enough of it obviously - everyone knows that.
But he didn't just wake up one day and say hey you know what I'm going to not throw TD passes today. The team was abysmal and he had zero time to throw the ball the first month, aside from one game.
You're right - it wasn't actually a conscious decision to not throw TD passes.
But I do think it's worth at least considering that the only time we've seen DJ have anything approaching prolific passing success, a) it came in only a handful of games that season (but it doesn't seem uncommon for rookies to be inconsistent like that); and b) it was accompanied by an unacceptably high number of turnovers.
We have not seen DJ be able to be a dangerous passing threat since he cut down on the turnovers, and I believe it's reasonable to at least ask if he's able to do one without the other. The TDs in his rookie year were ultimately hollow because of the fumbles (and INTs, to a lesser extent). And many here said that if he could keep the success while cleaning up the turnovers, he'd be a star. But that didn't happen. As far as we can observe, the only way that he was able to clean up the turnovers was to become the most conservative passing QB in the league.
If that's ultimately what he is - a choice between a turnover machine or a TD-averse passer - that's not going to result in consistent success.
I think we can probably believe it, since you already said it on another thread. And because you're talking to an audience that spends just as much time on Giants.com as you.
I bet no one besides you is surprised that a for-profit entity is selling something for which there is perceived demand.
LW, yeah, I do think he could bring the Giants to a SB.
He brought them to the divisional round with a pretty shitty roster. I think if he improves as a player and the Giants improve their roster, they can get there.
Got it. I think we just have a fundamental disagreement as to his talent level then. That, of course, is totally fine but it also means neither side is going to convince the other.
You’re missing the forest for the trees because you’re biased
Daniel Jones throws his career high in touchdown passes as a rookie, when the league had zero film on him. Most of those touchdowns came against bad teams.
The next two years after the league having film on him he turns into a miserable QB. Sure Garrett and Judge played a role, but a guy who could be elite one day won’t drop off that far just because of coaching.
What happens next? Daboll comes a long and Jones has a decent year, in part because the league has no film on Jones in Dabolls scheme that utilized his best asset in his legs to make him a better passer.
As the season went on and more stuff went on film the production began to drop off. The league caught up.
So this year Daboll has no choice but to open things up and the offense cratered.
The only two decent Jones seasons were years where the league had no tape on him operating the system. They caught on pretty quick.
I'm not trashing individual players. I'm saying the collective groups have been pretty much a disaster for a number of years. OL aside from Thomas has been bad. WR aside from a few flashes here and there have been very medicore. Engram - to his credit he turned it out - was a walking turnover everytime we threw it his way.
I'm saying Schoen needs to find better players.
Like I said, I do think you tend to be generally consistent in your patience with any/all Giants players. Sometimes to a fault (see Flowers, Ereck), but that's a separate issue.
But many of your fellow fans on the pro-DJ side of the aisle are much less consistent. They do trash individual players in order to prop up their support for DJ.
RE: You’re missing the forest for the trees because you’re biased
Daniel Jones throws his career high in touchdown passes as a rookie, when the league had zero film on him. Most of those touchdowns came against bad teams.
The next two years after the league having film on him he turns into a miserable QB. Sure Garrett and Judge played a role, but a guy who could be elite one day won’t drop off that far just because of coaching.
What happens next? Daboll comes a long and Jones has a decent year, in part because the league has no film on Jones in Dabolls scheme that utilized his best asset in his legs to make him a better passer.
As the season went on and more stuff went on film the production began to drop off. The league caught up.
So this year Daboll has no choice but to open things up and the offense cratered.
The only two decent Jones seasons were years where the league had no tape on him operating the system. They caught on pretty quick.
This is a pretty solid post ajr. And now the number of comments coming in from defensive players around the league on attacking Jones continues to grow.
got 9 turnovers, and we still barely won both games. I like what DeVito has done, but being a Cuse fan, he got benched due to holding onto the ball and taking sacks, they are drive killers. I'm hoping he can improve on that, but he didn't in 3 years at SU. Anyone thinking he's better than Jones right now is foolish.
But many of your fellow fans on the pro-DJ side of the aisle are much less consistent. They do trash individual players in order to prop up their support for DJ.
The DJFC are boxed in these days. I hear them criticize other QBs like Justin Fields, Sam Howell, Kenny Pickett, Malik Willis, etc. They said they aren't good QBs, and the teams should move on. And that may indeed be true.
But these QBs don't have nearly the # of starts Jones had before he looked remotely like a decent QB, which was in year four. So, how can they pass judgment when their QB icon was given an unusual amount of time to show something...
Can do, Tommy DeVito as a passer is having a very similar year to 2022 Jones in his starts. He’s completing 65% of his passes for 205 yards since the Jets game. That tells you everything you need to know about Daniel Jones.
I have yet to see anyone try to argue that DeVito is the answer
got 9 turnovers, and we still barely won both games. I like what DeVito has done, but being a Cuse fan, he got benched due to holding onto the ball and taking sacks, they are drive killers. I'm hoping he can improve on that, but he didn't in 3 years at SU. Anyone thinking he's better than Jones right now is foolish.
No one is arguing Devito doesn't hold onto the ball too long. But he's also throwing TDs at a much higher rate than Jones was and not turning the ball over himself. And this is only after playing a few NFL games versus Jones being the starter since 2019.
The question you should be asking isn't whether who is better between Jones and Devito, it's how is Jones not exponentially better?
Over half of his touchdowns came in three games against terrible defenses. Those three games *still* represent 20% of his career TD passes.
I've asked this in the past, and now here we are after five seasons in the same place - what is the point at which you conclude that Jones has had his chances and not taken advantage of them?
the problem here is anything positive written about other quarterbacks on the roster will be taken as underhanded insult to Daniel.
We're in a weird area with a group of Giants fans.
The 4th post of this thread, you claim DeVito is better than Jones. That isn't an "underhanded insult." More like direct. It's a ridiculous notion.
You are taking it as an insult. I am claiming it might be true.
Just last year Jones went 9-7-1 with a terrible OL and Hodgins as the best WR, and then won a playoff game. Wake me up when DeVito does that.
I like DeVito as the backup QB going forward. Jones will be gone due to the contract in '25, when they can get out of it.
The comparison is so funny when you take into account the scholarship DJ had and what Devito is.
If Devito had started the # of games Jones had started going into 2022, I genuinely think Devito would had QB'd the Giants to a better record last year.
Eric says it best, DJ just does not throw TD passes.
How many times has Jones beaten a team that was over .500?
But many of your fellow fans on the pro-DJ side of the aisle are much less consistent. They do trash individual players in order to prop up their support for DJ.
The DJFC are boxed in these days. I hear them criticize other QBs like Justin Fields, Sam Howell, Kenny Pickett, Malik Willis, etc. They said they aren't good QBs, and the teams should move on. And that may indeed be true.
But these QBs don't have nearly the # of starts Jones had before he looked remotely like a decent QB, which was in year four. So, how can they pass judgment when their QB icon was given an unusual amount of time to show something...
Yep.
RE: How many times has Jones beaten a team that was over .500?
Giants don't have a QB. By definition, that means they are "far away," but certainly at a minimum it means they are nowhere near ready to compete with the Eagles and the Cowboys.
ajr, for the 1000th time, you and i are never going to agree on this. You saying stuff like "you'd be taken more seriously here IF" means you just want me to say something that you agree with, and then you'll somehow take me more seriously.
You'll never take me seriously, because I believe in Daniel Jones. Just leave it at that.
Well no, I’ll never take you serious because you’re an idiot. But there still might be hope for the rest of the board.
Got it - and posts like that are the reason that this conversation is no longer fun for anybody.
Posts like that? As opposed to you frequently saying how happy you would be and how much better off BBI would be when ajr and other posters would disappear again when Jones got back and played well.
You don't get to play the victim after stuff like that
The Giants should likely be 5-7 or 6-6 right now. They aren't as far off as everyone thinks, in my opinion.
Yes, if the Giants caught a ton of breaks this season they could be .500. You could say that for just about any team aside from the Panthers. The Giants have a -133 (!) point differential and needed a missed chip shot FG and a miracle comeback to beat ARZ and NE (two of the worst teams (along with the Giants and Panthers) in the league).
The Giants are right where they belong this year. They've won and lost some close games and lost a bunch of games where they weren't even competitive.
Many fans just remember the close losses and love to say "what if" about those, but don't want to play the same game for close wins.
I mean I'm sure that will get dismissed as a team stat, but I'm so bored of people clinging onto that fugazi playoff game.
I did this exercise six months ago - based on the opponent's final record of the year. Prior to 2021, he hadn't beaten a single team that ended the year with a winning record. Not one.
Since then, he has won four regular season games and one playoff game. In 2021, it was two - the Saints (10/3/21) and the Raiders (11/7/21). In 2022, he beat the Ravens (10/16/22), the Jaguars (10/23/22) and the Vikings (1/15/23).
That's it. And there will be zero in 2023. So a total of five games in five years.
The Giants could have easily been 7-10 and out of the playoffs last year.
This is something many don't want to admit. Looking back at the 22 Giants I see them as a 6 win team that caught some breaks to get to 9 wins and backed into the playoffs
Gano missed a 35 yarder that he makes in his sleep. Taylor checked into a run on the goal line that was clearly a mental error. 6-6 or 5-7, but they should likely have 1 more win.
These aren’t a few calls here, a few breaks there.
The Giants should have beaten the Bills in Buffalo, a team that just outplayed the Eagles for 59 minutes in Philadelphia.
Team is not as far off as people would think, if the offense can get it together next season.
Gano missed a 35 yarder that he makes in his sleep. Taylor checked into a run on the goal line that was clearly a mental error. 6-6 or 5-7, but they should likely have 1 more win.
These aren’t a few calls here, a few breaks there.
The Giants should have beaten the Bills in Buffalo, a team that just outplayed the Eagles for 59 minutes in Philadelphia.
Team is not as far off as people would think, if the offense can get it together next season.
Correct
They have multiple All Pro caliber players on this team and several solid starters. It is the depth and OL that concern me the most
First full season he was third in touchdown passes. Compared to Eli before his light went on, Jones’ light isn’t even plugged in and he’s sticking a fork in the socket.
im not sold on Jones but have to ask. Where is Jones Toomer, Shockey, and Burress?
Gano missed a 35 yarder that he makes in his sleep. Taylor checked into a run on the goal line that was clearly a mental error. 6-6 or 5-7, but they should likely have 1 more win.
These aren’t a few calls here, a few breaks there.
The Giants should have beaten the Bills in Buffalo, a team that just outplayed the Eagles for 59 minutes in Philadelphia.
Team is not as far off as people would think, if the offense can get it together next season.
If Lamar Jackson doesn’t fumble, if the titans don’t get a pass interference on a game winning interception, if Washington doesn’t miss a field goal or get a penalty on the go ahead td in game 2 the Giants aren’t in the playoffs and Jones isn’t resigned.
We can do what ifs for every team in every year. It’s loser mentality.
He brought them to the divisional round with a pretty shitty roster. I think if he improves as a player and the Giants improve their roster, they can get there.
But again, I would still like the strategy of nailing 3 top 50 picks for the roster as a whole along with some value FA, and think we could be on to something as well.
The Giants should likely be 5-7 or 6-6 right now. They aren't as far off as everyone thinks, in my opinion.
Everyone said the same exact thing about Eli Manning and Phil Simms before the light came on.
I choose to think that Jones still has it in him to be really good. You going back and forth about this accomplishes nothing.
So, now there is some mystical force at 1925 Giants Way that brings out the best in first round QBs after year five?
Simms, btw, is such a bad reference because the economics of the league are vastly different.
But, I'll say this - based on your thoughts with Jones, the Eagles could have done the same thing with Wentz. They didn't and it's paying off for them. You have to know when it's time to move on.
That is a completely made up thing. Nobody would be a true fan of the Giants if that were the case.
I love the Giants. I also think Jones can be really good. I also would not give a shit if they drafted another QB who becomes great and the team is great.
I am not sure why you guys continue to say things like that.
When someone trashes every individual player on the OL, and every individual player in the WR corps, and every individual player in the TE group, just so that they can avoid placing ANY blame on DJ, that is absolutely rooting for one player above the team. They're willing to trash 20 guys to preserve their view of one guy.
I will say this to your credit, Ryan - I believe you're generally consistent. I think it bothers you to see any Giants player struggle, and I think you tend to be reluctant to criticize any of them. But I think that brings about a separate credibility issue. It's hard to take your patience seriously when you were also pleading with the board to "let it play out" through Ereck Flowers' time here, for example.
But for the posters to whom I'm referring, they are completely comfortable talking shit about every player and coach involved with the offense, except for Daniel Jones. They would cycle through OCs every year rather than replace the QB. They would draft nothing but OL and WRs every year because they're convinced that it couldn't possibly be Jones's fault. That's what constitutes a DJFC POV, IMO.
Would you like for me to go find some of the posts where this happens? Or can we agree that it's a fairly prevalent occurrence among a small subset of the fanbase?
I thought only the Daboll years count?
The guy knows how to throw TD passes. He hasn't done enough of it obviously - everyone knows that.
But he didn't just wake up one day and say hey you know what I'm going to not throw TD passes today. The team was abysmal and he had zero time to throw the ball the first month, aside from one game.
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ajr, and Jones was tied for 7th in TD passes as a rookie, where he played 12 games. What does it matter?
I thought only the Daboll years count?
What is your point? I'm saying it doesn't matter. It was a long time ago and I think Daboll restarted his career, I could care less what happened previously.
You made the point about Eli having a lot of TD passes his first full season, and so I countered with Jones doing basically the same thing as a rookie.
I'm not trashing individual players. I'm saying the collective groups have been pretty much a disaster for a number of years. OL aside from Thomas has been bad. WR aside from a few flashes here and there have been very medicore. Engram - to his credit he turned it out - was a walking turnover everytime we threw it his way.
I'm saying Schoen needs to find better players.
But, I'll say this - based on your thoughts with Jones, the Eagles could have done the same thing with Wentz. They didn't and it's paying off for them. You have to know when it's time to move on.
Totally - and if Schoen chooses to do that - I will be on board and be with Schoen 100%.
The guy is smart and knows what he's doing.
The guy knows how to throw TD passes. He hasn't done enough of it obviously - everyone knows that.
But he didn't just wake up one day and say hey you know what I'm going to not throw TD passes today. The team was abysmal and he had zero time to throw the ball the first month, aside from one game.
You're right - it wasn't actually a conscious decision to not throw TD passes.
But I do think it's worth at least considering that the only time we've seen DJ have anything approaching prolific passing success, a) it came in only a handful of games that season (but it doesn't seem uncommon for rookies to be inconsistent like that); and b) it was accompanied by an unacceptably high number of turnovers.
We have not seen DJ be able to be a dangerous passing threat since he cut down on the turnovers, and I believe it's reasonable to at least ask if he's able to do one without the other. The TDs in his rookie year were ultimately hollow because of the fumbles (and INTs, to a lesser extent). And many here said that if he could keep the success while cleaning up the turnovers, he'd be a star. But that didn't happen. As far as we can observe, the only way that he was able to clean up the turnovers was to become the most conservative passing QB in the league.
If that's ultimately what he is - a choice between a turnover machine or a TD-averse passer - that's not going to result in consistent success.
I think we can probably believe it, since you already said it on another thread. And because you're talking to an audience that spends just as much time on Giants.com as you.
I bet no one besides you is surprised that a for-profit entity is selling something for which there is perceived demand.
He brought them to the divisional round with a pretty shitty roster. I think if he improves as a player and the Giants improve their roster, they can get there.
Got it. I think we just have a fundamental disagreement as to his talent level then. That, of course, is totally fine but it also means neither side is going to convince the other.
Daniel Jones throws his career high in touchdown passes as a rookie, when the league had zero film on him. Most of those touchdowns came against bad teams.
The next two years after the league having film on him he turns into a miserable QB. Sure Garrett and Judge played a role, but a guy who could be elite one day won’t drop off that far just because of coaching.
What happens next? Daboll comes a long and Jones has a decent year, in part because the league has no film on Jones in Dabolls scheme that utilized his best asset in his legs to make him a better passer.
As the season went on and more stuff went on film the production began to drop off. The league caught up.
So this year Daboll has no choice but to open things up and the offense cratered.
The only two decent Jones seasons were years where the league had no tape on him operating the system. They caught on pretty quick.
I'm not trashing individual players. I'm saying the collective groups have been pretty much a disaster for a number of years. OL aside from Thomas has been bad. WR aside from a few flashes here and there have been very medicore. Engram - to his credit he turned it out - was a walking turnover everytime we threw it his way.
I'm saying Schoen needs to find better players.
Like I said, I do think you tend to be generally consistent in your patience with any/all Giants players. Sometimes to a fault (see Flowers, Ereck), but that's a separate issue.
But many of your fellow fans on the pro-DJ side of the aisle are much less consistent. They do trash individual players in order to prop up their support for DJ.
Daniel Jones throws his career high in touchdown passes as a rookie, when the league had zero film on him. Most of those touchdowns came against bad teams.
The next two years after the league having film on him he turns into a miserable QB. Sure Garrett and Judge played a role, but a guy who could be elite one day won’t drop off that far just because of coaching.
What happens next? Daboll comes a long and Jones has a decent year, in part because the league has no film on Jones in Dabolls scheme that utilized his best asset in his legs to make him a better passer.
As the season went on and more stuff went on film the production began to drop off. The league caught up.
So this year Daboll has no choice but to open things up and the offense cratered.
The only two decent Jones seasons were years where the league had no tape on him operating the system. They caught on pretty quick.
This is a pretty solid post ajr. And now the number of comments coming in from defensive players around the league on attacking Jones continues to grow.
But many of your fellow fans on the pro-DJ side of the aisle are much less consistent. They do trash individual players in order to prop up their support for DJ.
The DJFC are boxed in these days. I hear them criticize other QBs like Justin Fields, Sam Howell, Kenny Pickett, Malik Willis, etc. They said they aren't good QBs, and the teams should move on. And that may indeed be true.
But these QBs don't have nearly the # of starts Jones had before he looked remotely like a decent QB, which was in year four. So, how can they pass judgment when their QB icon was given an unusual amount of time to show something...
No one is arguing Devito doesn't hold onto the ball too long. But he's also throwing TDs at a much higher rate than Jones was and not turning the ball over himself. And this is only after playing a few NFL games versus Jones being the starter since 2019.
The question you should be asking isn't whether who is better between Jones and Devito, it's how is Jones not exponentially better?
I've asked this in the past, and now here we are after five seasons in the same place - what is the point at which you conclude that Jones has had his chances and not taken advantage of them?
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the problem here is anything positive written about other quarterbacks on the roster will be taken as underhanded insult to Daniel.
We're in a weird area with a group of Giants fans.
The 4th post of this thread, you claim DeVito is better than Jones. That isn't an "underhanded insult." More like direct. It's a ridiculous notion.
You are taking it as an insult. I am claiming it might be true.
Just last year Jones went 9-7-1 with a terrible OL and Hodgins as the best WR, and then won a playoff game. Wake me up when DeVito does that.
I like DeVito as the backup QB going forward. Jones will be gone due to the contract in '25, when they can get out of it.
If Devito had started the # of games Jones had started going into 2022, I genuinely think Devito would had QB'd the Giants to a better record last year.
Eric says it best, DJ just does not throw TD passes.
I mean I'm sure that will get dismissed as a team stat, but I'm so bored of people clinging onto that fugazi playoff game.
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But many of your fellow fans on the pro-DJ side of the aisle are much less consistent. They do trash individual players in order to prop up their support for DJ.
The DJFC are boxed in these days. I hear them criticize other QBs like Justin Fields, Sam Howell, Kenny Pickett, Malik Willis, etc. They said they aren't good QBs, and the teams should move on. And that may indeed be true.
But these QBs don't have nearly the # of starts Jones had before he looked remotely like a decent QB, which was in year four. So, how can they pass judgment when their QB icon was given an unusual amount of time to show something...
Yep.
I mean I'm sure that will get dismissed as a team stat, but I'm so bored of people clinging onto that fugazi playoff game.
With a *historic* performance! 😂
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ajr, for the 1000th time, you and i are never going to agree on this. You saying stuff like "you'd be taken more seriously here IF" means you just want me to say something that you agree with, and then you'll somehow take me more seriously.
You'll never take me seriously, because I believe in Daniel Jones. Just leave it at that.
Well no, I’ll never take you serious because you’re an idiot. But there still might be hope for the rest of the board.
Got it - and posts like that are the reason that this conversation is no longer fun for anybody.
Posts like that? As opposed to you frequently saying how happy you would be and how much better off BBI would be when ajr and other posters would disappear again when Jones got back and played well.
You don't get to play the victim after stuff like that
The Giants should likely be 5-7 or 6-6 right now. They aren't as far off as everyone thinks, in my opinion.
Yes, if the Giants caught a ton of breaks this season they could be .500. You could say that for just about any team aside from the Panthers. The Giants have a -133 (!) point differential and needed a missed chip shot FG and a miracle comeback to beat ARZ and NE (two of the worst teams (along with the Giants and Panthers) in the league).
The Giants are right where they belong this year. They've won and lost some close games and lost a bunch of games where they weren't even competitive.
Many fans just remember the close losses and love to say "what if" about those, but don't want to play the same game for close wins.
I mean I'm sure that will get dismissed as a team stat, but I'm so bored of people clinging onto that fugazi playoff game.
I did this exercise six months ago - based on the opponent's final record of the year. Prior to 2021, he hadn't beaten a single team that ended the year with a winning record. Not one.
Since then, he has won four regular season games and one playoff game. In 2021, it was two - the Saints (10/3/21) and the Raiders (11/7/21). In 2022, he beat the Ravens (10/16/22), the Jaguars (10/23/22) and the Vikings (1/15/23).
That's it. And there will be zero in 2023. So a total of five games in five years.
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Some of you act like Jones banged your wife. Shit.
He's probably bad at that too
One and done, just like his pass progressions, lmao
He has an autograph signing at a Hoagie shop in Wayne tonight
Good for him
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I will be shocked if DeVito doesn't look like a train wreck against the Eagles.
I also would not be surprised to see Daboll go back to Taylor.
A decision like this might actually have impact on how I view him. He hasn’t been perfect this year by any means but I still believe in him
This is something many don't want to admit. Looking back at the 22 Giants I see them as a 6 win team that caught some breaks to get to 9 wins and backed into the playoffs
These aren’t a few calls here, a few breaks there.
The Giants should have beaten the Bills in Buffalo, a team that just outplayed the Eagles for 59 minutes in Philadelphia.
Team is not as far off as people would think, if the offense can get it together next season.
These aren’t a few calls here, a few breaks there.
The Giants should have beaten the Bills in Buffalo, a team that just outplayed the Eagles for 59 minutes in Philadelphia.
Team is not as far off as people would think, if the offense can get it together next season.
Correct
They have multiple All Pro caliber players on this team and several solid starters. It is the depth and OL that concern me the most
And the....nevermind
It’s not a term, it’s a way of thinking
These aren’t a few calls here, a few breaks there.
The Giants should have beaten the Bills in Buffalo, a team that just outplayed the Eagles for 59 minutes in Philadelphia.
Team is not as far off as people would think, if the offense can get it together next season.
If Lamar Jackson doesn’t fumble, if the titans don’t get a pass interference on a game winning interception, if Washington doesn’t miss a field goal or get a penalty on the go ahead td in game 2 the Giants aren’t in the playoffs and Jones isn’t resigned.
We can do what ifs for every team in every year. It’s loser mentality.
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to move on from Jones; and even I think the term DJFC is stupid.
It’s not a term, it’s a way of thinking
You might want to Google the definition of “term”.
Anyway, I’ve never liked it. I guess I was in it at one time, when I supported Jones.