First full season he was third in touchdown passes. Compared to Eli before his light went on, Jones’ light isn’t even plugged in and he’s sticking a fork in the socket.
im not sold on Jones but have to ask. Where is Jones Toomer, Shockey, and Burress?
You mean Shepard, Bellinger, and Golladay don't qualify?
I’m still somewhat numb after watching TDV the past two games. I had no idea he could be this good.
He has been very accurate, never fumbles when he is sacked, gets rid of the ball slightly faster than Jones, and is not afraid to throw the long ball, especially to Hyatt. Jones would practically ignore Hyatt and throw a bunch of 2 yard loss passes to Campbell instead. I cringe every time Jones gets sacked or takes off, expecting a fumble. Although I love the yards he gets, especially on 3rd downs.
But get this stat….Jones has thrown 55 more passes than TDV, but the latter has 7 TDs while Jones only has 2.
I have a good feeling TDV will improve in these last 5 games so I hope the conversation between our smart people this off-season includes TDV as next years’ starter no matter how much money Jones makes. If he is better, that should be the criteria, not how much money one makes. I hope that is it.
Gano missed a 35 yarder that he makes in his sleep. Taylor checked into a run on the goal line that was clearly a mental error. 6-6 or 5-7, but they should likely have 1 more win.
These aren’t a few calls here, a few breaks there.
The Giants should have beaten the Bills in Buffalo, a team that just outplayed the Eagles for 59 minutes in Philadelphia.
Team is not as far off as people would think, if the offense can get it together next season.
Correct
They have multiple All Pro caliber players on this team and several solid starters. It is the depth and OL that concern me the most
left 4-5 big plays on the field. The Giants should have been well over 24 points in this game. QB was a big reason they weren't. The Big Blue Banter went through this. He's a guy who may be good enough to be a back up. This team badly needs a real QB. Who cares if he's better than Jones or not. Jones sucks and is among the worst starters in the league.
Gano missed a 35 yarder that he makes in his sleep. Taylor checked into a run on the goal line that was clearly a mental error. 6-6 or 5-7, but they should likely have 1 more win.
These aren’t a few calls here, a few breaks there.
The Giants should have beaten the Bills in Buffalo, a team that just outplayed the Eagles for 59 minutes in Philadelphia.
Team is not as far off as people would think, if the offense can get it together next season.
You’re right. They aren’t far off. Just need a much better QB and a true #1
Jones threw double the amount of TD passes as games played as a rookie. He was then told to play pussy football for 2 seasons, and was starting to show some things again with Daboll, which restarted his career a bit.
The guy knows how to throw TD passes. He hasn't done enough of it obviously - everyone knows that.
But he didn't just wake up one day and say hey you know what I'm going to not throw TD passes today. The team was abysmal and he had zero time to throw the ball the first month, aside from one game.
Stop with this 'We should be 6-6!' talk. Just as we could have beaten Buffalo & the Jets, we could have EASILY lost to the Cards & Pats.
This times fucking infinity. Stop with the ridiculous bullshit coulda, shoulda, woulda. They didn’t win. Plain and goddamn simple.
Some people just refuse to see what’s right in fucking front of them. Ignorance personified. They’d be happy running it back the same, having the FO piss in their face and shout, “What a glorious rain shower!”
But, I'll say this - based on your thoughts with Jones, the Eagles could have done the same thing with Wentz. They didn't and it's paying off for them. You have to know when it's time to move on.
How dumb it is to keep reference the 2022 playoff game, Blake Bortles went toe to toe with Tom Brady and was a blown call away from the Super Bowl. He got one more year as the starter, fell on his face like Jones, and was replaced. He wasn’t even replaced by a first round pick.
Secondly, let's sum this up. We have 4 groups here (people who love Jones, people who think Jones could be good but we have ruined him, people who hate Jones, and people who don't see much of a difference between Jones and DeVito). Too many people are emotional. Facts have zero affect on those people so it isn't worth wasting time on them. On the flip side, too many people feel the need to change the mind of others and if you don't agree than you are wrong. Let's all step back from the keyboard and chill the fuck out. We're all passionate fans but these are all things we have no control over. And if you don't give a shit what I have to say then great too.
There, let's all get back to the arguing. Now that I wrote that, I miss the poster Mills Lane. Where has he been? In honor of him ... "Let's Get It On!"
line that’s thrown around by a few. It was historic because he ran for over 70 yards. Not because he threw for a historic amount of yards, or threw for a historic amount of touchdowns.
There was nothing Historic about the Giants Vikings playoff game
other than how bad the Vikings were.. Teams that bad don't typically make the playoffs or at least until we started having 7 teams per conference.. The very next game we played was against a legit playoff team and we got smacked around like little bitches and DJ played like a little bitch.. It wasn't just the OL, WR, it was also bad QB play.. in fact DJ's performance against the Eagles was worse than the assistant coach we put out there on week 18 when the Eagles desperately needed to win to hold on to first spot..
RE: There was nothing Historic about the Giants Vikings playoff game
other than how bad the Vikings were.. Teams that bad don't typically make the playoffs or at least until we started having 7 teams per conference.. The very next game we played was against a legit playoff team and we got smacked around like little bitches and DJ played like a little bitch.. It wasn't just the OL, WR, it was also bad QB play.. in fact DJ's performance against the Eagles was worse than the assistant coach we put out there on week 18 when the Eagles desperately needed to win to hold on to first spot..
The Vikings Playoff game was huge.
It led to a historic blunder by the Giants in giving Jones that contract.
You can make any performance historic if you move the
What about the year after where he ran for 136 yards and completed 70% of his passes? I’m sure nobody’s done that parameter before.
When the 49ers decided to bench Kaepernick I don’t recall any 49ers fans saying “wait a minute, what about his historic playoff game against Green Bay in 2013?”.
Jones is the only QB in NFL Playoff history to total at least 300 passing yards, 70 rushing yards, and 2 passing TDs in a game.
So, yes, it was historic. He's the only person to do it.
Because it’s a made up parameter. Why wasn’t the bar set at 350? Or 100 rushing yards?
Historic would be if he broke Kaepernicks playoff rushing record while throwing for 300 yards. There’s nothing historic about being the first to do parameters that are made up after the fact.
turning a game review thread into something about a player who has been on the IR for a month is pretty high up there. Will you guys ever give it a rest?
You CAN'T go forward with a QB whose had 2 neck injuries AND an ACL in the last 3 years. He's a ticking time bomb waiting to explode.
As a bridge QB next year (because of his contract), fine!
But if they were to pass on a "potentially" excellent QB to run it back out with Jones AND for the long haul, they won't be here very long!
Jones is the only QB in NFL Playoff history to total at least 300 passing yards, 70 rushing yards, and 2 passing TDs in a game.
So, yes, it was historic. He's the only person to do it.
Has there been another Giants QB in the modern era that has only thrown two touchdown passes in six starts?
Well first off it is basically 5 games, he was hurt early on against Vegas.
Eli Manning went through an 8 game stretch in 2007 where he threw 6 TDs.
So, yeah, Jones' start to the year was horrible. Perhaps you can go back and look at the film of the Dallas, Seattle, SF, and Miami games to see how the OL performed there and tell me who would do significantly better in those situations.
But I can't understand how there are still some fans who think that he's the long term answer and that he can still be a great QB. He is coming off his second neck injury AND a torn ACL.
I saw at least one post comparing him to Eli and Simms early in their career. Eli went to the playoffs 3 times in his first 5 seasons and won a Superbowl. Jones just finished his 5th season and there are still serious questions about his future and he is coming off his worst season.
QB is the most important position in the NFL and it's not often that teams are in range of drafting a potential franchise QB at the top of the draft. If the Giants feel like any of the three are franchise QB's and they can get them, even if it means trading up, then they shouldn't hesitate. Jones will only return because of his contract.
RE: I was a big Jones supporter coming into this season
But I can't understand how there are still some fans who think that he's the long term answer and that he can still be a great QB. He is coming off his second neck injury AND a torn ACL.
I saw at least one post comparing him to Eli and Simms early in their career. Eli went to the playoffs 3 times in his first 5 seasons and won a Superbowl. Jones just finished his 5th season and there are still serious questions about his future and he is coming off his worst season.
QB is the most important position in the NFL and it's not often that teams are in range of drafting a potential franchise QB at the top of the draft. If the Giants feel like any of the three are franchise QB's and they can get them, even if it means trading up, then they shouldn't hesitate. Jones will only return because of his contract.
-Daniel Jones: 21/27 – 217 yards / 0 TD – 0 INT / 100.2 RAT
Jones also added 41 rushing yards (not including the three kneel downs) just days after nobody knew if he would miss the game because of an ankle injury suffered last week. Mid-week, we were wondering if NYG would sign Brian Lewerke or Jake Fromm to backup Davis Webb. Now we look back and I think this was Jones’ top performance of the season considering the circumstances. We may see better statistical games from him, but he made multiple big time throws, took some of the biggest hits we have seen this year, and still made a huge difference on the ground. Prior to this game, I wrote down a list of things to look for. At the top? “How does Jones impact the game on a bad wheel?” Athletic quarterbacks are all the craze in the League now, everyone wants one. But what happens when they are nicked up? What happens when they age and lose some of their movement capability? Jones rose to the occasion and what he did post-Barkley injury on the touchdown scoring drive cannot go overlooked. 6/7 – 56 yards including two 3rd-down conversions and 25 yards rushing. What he did with what he had is exactly what good quarterbacks do: create more than the sum of parts. Big-time performance for Jones.
-Daniel Jones: 19/27 – 173 yards / 2 TD – 0 INT / 112.1 RAT
Jones added 10 yards on the ground not including his kneel downs. He lost a fumble on the last play of the first half which had no impact on the game. It was a clean performance by Jones that included a couple of big-time throws, some of which were on 3rd down. The overall comfort I see with him while making decisions and navigating the pocket continues to grow by the week. Having the rookie Wan’Dale Robinson back on the field did not look like a lot on paper, but when considering the lack of talent he has been working with at the receiver position, it brought Jones to a higher level. The quick maturation of the rookie tight end is bringing Jones to a higher level. Saquon Barkley staying on the field and playing the best we have seen him is bringing Jones to a higher level. All of that added up and his skill position talent is still bottom third in the league. What kind of level does Jones get to with another high-end receiver or two? It is all projection at this point, but we now have some more information on what happens here when this situation around him trends north.
-Daniel Jones: 20/37 – 196 yards / 0 TD – 1 INT / 57.9 RAT
Jones also added 79 yards on just 9 carries (8.8 per). He was under duress the entire night against a formidable DAL pass rush and behind a leaky offensive line, especially the right side. It can be very hard to accurately evaluate a performance like this one. Listen to any quarterback talk about Jones and they will tell you it is almost impossible to play a normal version of the position in that kind of environment. If anything, I actually put this game in the “positive pile” when thinking about where his status will reside in January. Jones made a few tough throws, he had receivers drop multiple balls, and the DAL secondary was on point. Jones’ scrambling was 90% of the Giants offensive success. His accuracy was there, the juice on the ball was there, and his decision-making was there. Unfortunately, he is throwing to JV receivers behind a freshman-team offensive line.
-Daniel Jones: 19/30 – 202 yards / 1 TD – 0 INT / 94.0 RAT
The most important stat from Jones came on the ground. He ran for 107 yards on 11 carries and added another touchdown. It was his first ever 100+ yard performance and he is third to only Lamar Jackson and Justin Fields in rushing by a quarterback this season. Jones has 1,343 yards on the ground so far in his career. Eli Manning had under 600 over his career. The contrast in offensive style and possibilities with an athlete like this under center should not be overlooked when evaluating his play. Jones put this team on his shoulder and delivered. He had multiple passes dropped, including a touchdown. Game ball for a guy who stepped up the most when his team needed him the most. If you are looking for a negative, he did have two turnovers cancelled by JAC penalties that did not exactly impact the original result of the play.
other than how bad the Vikings were.. Teams that bad don't typically make the playoffs or at least until we started having 7 teams per conference.. The very next game we played was against a legit playoff team and we got smacked around like little bitches and DJ played like a little bitch.. It wasn't just the OL, WR, it was also bad QB play.. in fact DJ's performance against the Eagles was worse than the assistant coach we put out there on week 18 when the Eagles desperately needed to win to hold on to first spot..
The Vikings Playoff game was huge.
It led to a historic blunder by the Giants in giving Jones that contract.
This is what is relevant here. DJ is who he always was. A middling talent, no better than the top tier backups in the NFL. The issue is the judgment of Joe Schoen in paying him like an elite quarterback and committing nearly twenty percent of the 2024 cap to him. This was a galactic screwup for the ages, especially for a franchise trying to rebuild.
Hopefully he will acknowledge his mistake and pivot at hyper-speed. Maybe Tommy DeVito takes the heat off? Maybe Schoen will have another superb draft as he did in 2023 and successfully maneuver to secure the next franchise quarterback? We will know soon enough.
But if he runs DJ out again in 2024 with another scholarship year, and starts in with the "in denial" rationalizations and excuses to attempt to justify the stupidity of the contract, then we know our franchise will be at least another year away from hitting rock bottom.
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First full season he was third in touchdown passes. Compared to Eli before his light went on, Jones’ light isn’t even plugged in and he’s sticking a fork in the socket.
im not sold on Jones but have to ask. Where is Jones Toomer, Shockey, and Burress?
You mean Shepard, Bellinger, and Golladay don't qualify?
He has been very accurate, never fumbles when he is sacked, gets rid of the ball slightly faster than Jones, and is not afraid to throw the long ball, especially to Hyatt. Jones would practically ignore Hyatt and throw a bunch of 2 yard loss passes to Campbell instead. I cringe every time Jones gets sacked or takes off, expecting a fumble. Although I love the yards he gets, especially on 3rd downs.
But get this stat….Jones has thrown 55 more passes than TDV, but the latter has 7 TDs while Jones only has 2.
I have a good feeling TDV will improve in these last 5 games so I hope the conversation between our smart people this off-season includes TDV as next years’ starter no matter how much money Jones makes. If he is better, that should be the criteria, not how much money one makes. I hope that is it.
The term DJFC has always been stupid. That isn't new.
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Gano missed a 35 yarder that he makes in his sleep. Taylor checked into a run on the goal line that was clearly a mental error. 6-6 or 5-7, but they should likely have 1 more win.
These aren’t a few calls here, a few breaks there.
The Giants should have beaten the Bills in Buffalo, a team that just outplayed the Eagles for 59 minutes in Philadelphia.
Team is not as far off as people would think, if the offense can get it together next season.
Correct
They have multiple All Pro caliber players on this team and several solid starters. It is the depth and OL that concern me the most
And the....nevermind
These aren’t a few calls here, a few breaks there.
The Giants should have beaten the Bills in Buffalo, a team that just outplayed the Eagles for 59 minutes in Philadelphia.
Team is not as far off as people would think, if the offense can get it together next season.
You’re right. They aren’t far off. Just need a much better QB and a true #1
The guy knows how to throw TD passes. He hasn't done enough of it obviously - everyone knows that.
But he didn't just wake up one day and say hey you know what I'm going to not throw TD passes today. The team was abysmal and he had zero time to throw the ball the first month, aside from one game.
LMFAO! Oh the excuses! Never ending.
This times fucking infinity. Stop with the ridiculous bullshit coulda, shoulda, woulda. They didn’t win. Plain and goddamn simple.
Some people just refuse to see what’s right in fucking front of them. Ignorance personified. They’d be happy running it back the same, having the FO piss in their face and shout, “What a glorious rain shower!”
11/2023.
Tell us what else is sad.
But, I'll say this - based on your thoughts with Jones, the Eagles could have done the same thing with Wentz. They didn't and it's paying off for them. You have to know when it's time to move on.
I think this basically sums up the situation.
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I will be shocked if DeVito doesn't look like a train wreck against the Eagles.
Jordan Davis is a freaking MONSTER of a man! He’s going to have his way inside and DeVito will be running for his life!
Jalen Carter is way better.
Secondly, let's sum this up. We have 4 groups here (people who love Jones, people who think Jones could be good but we have ruined him, people who hate Jones, and people who don't see much of a difference between Jones and DeVito). Too many people are emotional. Facts have zero affect on those people so it isn't worth wasting time on them. On the flip side, too many people feel the need to change the mind of others and if you don't agree than you are wrong. Let's all step back from the keyboard and chill the fuck out. We're all passionate fans but these are all things we have no control over. And if you don't give a shit what I have to say then great too.
There, let's all get back to the arguing. Now that I wrote that, I miss the poster Mills Lane. Where has he been? In honor of him ... "Let's Get It On!"
No, it's dumb for the exact reason that AJR gave. It just doesn't fit your narrative.
But tell us again how DJ's playoff performance was "historic."
The Vikings Playoff game was huge.
It led to a historic blunder by the Giants in giving Jones that contract.
Only player with 300+ yards (had 301), 2+ passing TDS (had 2), 70+ rushing yards (had 78).
Lamar threw for 350 and ran for 140 in a playoff game, I don’t think Ravens fans are sitting around calling it historic.
The 2nd neck injury and the ACL do.
Only player with 300+ yards (had 301), 2+ passing TDS (had 2), 70+ rushing yards (had 78).
Lamar threw for 350 and ran for 140 in a playoff game, I don’t think Ravens fans are sitting around calling it historic.
On 60 attempts, and they lost by 16. His rating was 63 in that game.
So, yes, it was historic. He's the only person to do it.
When the 49ers decided to bench Kaepernick I don’t recall any 49ers fans saying “wait a minute, what about his historic playoff game against Green Bay in 2013?”.
So, yes, it was historic. He's the only person to do it.
Has there been another Giants QB in the modern era that has only thrown two touchdown passes in six starts?
So, yes, it was historic. He's the only person to do it.
Because it’s a made up parameter. Why wasn’t the bar set at 350? Or 100 rushing yards?
Historic would be if he broke Kaepernicks playoff rushing record while throwing for 300 yards. There’s nothing historic about being the first to do parameters that are made up after the fact.
The problem is he only has a few games like that in five years.
That's the problem.
The rest of his games are less than ordinary or worse.
The problem is he only has a few games like that in five years.
That's the problem.
The rest of his games are less than ordinary or worse.
The game was good, no doubt about that. But clinging it to as historic is a stretch, and no reason to keep him around.
Like you said, the games are too few. That’s the sign of a bad QB.
As a bridge QB next year (because of his contract), fine!
But if they were to pass on a "potentially" excellent QB to run it back out with Jones AND for the long haul, they won't be here very long!
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Jones is the only QB in NFL Playoff history to total at least 300 passing yards, 70 rushing yards, and 2 passing TDs in a game.
So, yes, it was historic. He's the only person to do it.
Has there been another Giants QB in the modern era that has only thrown two touchdown passes in six starts?
Well first off it is basically 5 games, he was hurt early on against Vegas.
Eli Manning went through an 8 game stretch in 2007 where he threw 6 TDs.
So, yeah, Jones' start to the year was horrible. Perhaps you can go back and look at the film of the Dallas, Seattle, SF, and Miami games to see how the OL performed there and tell me who would do significantly better in those situations.
39 pressures against Seattle. 39.
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Jones is the only QB in NFL Playoff history to total at least 300 passing yards, 70 rushing yards, and 2 passing TDs in a game.
So, yes, it was historic. He's the only person to do it.
Has there been another Giants QB in the modern era that has only thrown two touchdown passes in six starts?
Well first off it is basically 5 games, he was hurt early on against Vegas.
I also recall Jones "basically" missing a wide open Hyatt for a TD early in that Vegas game because he threw inaccurately out of bounds.
Good to know.
Good to know.
Yes Eric, that's my answer.
Try being less condescending.
I saw at least one post comparing him to Eli and Simms early in their career. Eli went to the playoffs 3 times in his first 5 seasons and won a Superbowl. Jones just finished his 5th season and there are still serious questions about his future and he is coming off his worst season.
QB is the most important position in the NFL and it's not often that teams are in range of drafting a potential franchise QB at the top of the draft. If the Giants feel like any of the three are franchise QB's and they can get them, even if it means trading up, then they shouldn't hesitate. Jones will only return because of his contract.
I saw at least one post comparing him to Eli and Simms early in their career. Eli went to the playoffs 3 times in his first 5 seasons and won a Superbowl. Jones just finished his 5th season and there are still serious questions about his future and he is coming off his worst season.
QB is the most important position in the NFL and it's not often that teams are in range of drafting a potential franchise QB at the top of the draft. If the Giants feel like any of the three are franchise QB's and they can get them, even if it means trading up, then they shouldn't hesitate. Jones will only return because of his contract.
+1 - This is perfectly said.
-Daniel Jones: 21/27 – 217 yards / 0 TD – 0 INT / 100.2 RAT
Jones also added 41 rushing yards (not including the three kneel downs) just days after nobody knew if he would miss the game because of an ankle injury suffered last week. Mid-week, we were wondering if NYG would sign Brian Lewerke or Jake Fromm to backup Davis Webb. Now we look back and I think this was Jones’ top performance of the season considering the circumstances. We may see better statistical games from him, but he made multiple big time throws, took some of the biggest hits we have seen this year, and still made a huge difference on the ground. Prior to this game, I wrote down a list of things to look for. At the top? “How does Jones impact the game on a bad wheel?” Athletic quarterbacks are all the craze in the League now, everyone wants one. But what happens when they are nicked up? What happens when they age and lose some of their movement capability? Jones rose to the occasion and what he did post-Barkley injury on the touchdown scoring drive cannot go overlooked. 6/7 – 56 yards including two 3rd-down conversions and 25 yards rushing. What he did with what he had is exactly what good quarterbacks do: create more than the sum of parts. Big-time performance for Jones.
-Daniel Jones: 19/27 – 173 yards / 2 TD – 0 INT / 112.1 RAT
Jones added 10 yards on the ground not including his kneel downs. He lost a fumble on the last play of the first half which had no impact on the game. It was a clean performance by Jones that included a couple of big-time throws, some of which were on 3rd down. The overall comfort I see with him while making decisions and navigating the pocket continues to grow by the week. Having the rookie Wan’Dale Robinson back on the field did not look like a lot on paper, but when considering the lack of talent he has been working with at the receiver position, it brought Jones to a higher level. The quick maturation of the rookie tight end is bringing Jones to a higher level. Saquon Barkley staying on the field and playing the best we have seen him is bringing Jones to a higher level. All of that added up and his skill position talent is still bottom third in the league. What kind of level does Jones get to with another high-end receiver or two? It is all projection at this point, but we now have some more information on what happens here when this situation around him trends north.
-Daniel Jones: 20/37 – 196 yards / 0 TD – 1 INT / 57.9 RAT
Jones also added 79 yards on just 9 carries (8.8 per). He was under duress the entire night against a formidable DAL pass rush and behind a leaky offensive line, especially the right side. It can be very hard to accurately evaluate a performance like this one. Listen to any quarterback talk about Jones and they will tell you it is almost impossible to play a normal version of the position in that kind of environment. If anything, I actually put this game in the “positive pile” when thinking about where his status will reside in January. Jones made a few tough throws, he had receivers drop multiple balls, and the DAL secondary was on point. Jones’ scrambling was 90% of the Giants offensive success. His accuracy was there, the juice on the ball was there, and his decision-making was there. Unfortunately, he is throwing to JV receivers behind a freshman-team offensive line.
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-Daniel Jones: 19/30 – 202 yards / 1 TD – 0 INT / 94.0 RAT
The most important stat from Jones came on the ground. He ran for 107 yards on 11 carries and added another touchdown. It was his first ever 100+ yard performance and he is third to only Lamar Jackson and Justin Fields in rushing by a quarterback this season. Jones has 1,343 yards on the ground so far in his career. Eli Manning had under 600 over his career. The contrast in offensive style and possibilities with an athlete like this under center should not be overlooked when evaluating his play. Jones put this team on his shoulder and delivered. He had multiple passes dropped, including a touchdown. Game ball for a guy who stepped up the most when his team needed him the most. If you are looking for a negative, he did have two turnovers cancelled by JAC penalties that did not exactly impact the original result of the play.
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other than how bad the Vikings were.. Teams that bad don't typically make the playoffs or at least until we started having 7 teams per conference.. The very next game we played was against a legit playoff team and we got smacked around like little bitches and DJ played like a little bitch.. It wasn't just the OL, WR, it was also bad QB play.. in fact DJ's performance against the Eagles was worse than the assistant coach we put out there on week 18 when the Eagles desperately needed to win to hold on to first spot..
The Vikings Playoff game was huge.
It led to a historic blunder by the Giants in giving Jones that contract.
This is what is relevant here. DJ is who he always was. A middling talent, no better than the top tier backups in the NFL. The issue is the judgment of Joe Schoen in paying him like an elite quarterback and committing nearly twenty percent of the 2024 cap to him. This was a galactic screwup for the ages, especially for a franchise trying to rebuild.
Hopefully he will acknowledge his mistake and pivot at hyper-speed. Maybe Tommy DeVito takes the heat off? Maybe Schoen will have another superb draft as he did in 2023 and successfully maneuver to secure the next franchise quarterback? We will know soon enough.
But if he runs DJ out again in 2024 with another scholarship year, and starts in with the "in denial" rationalizations and excuses to attempt to justify the stupidity of the contract, then we know our franchise will be at least another year away from hitting rock bottom.
So, yes, it was historic. He's the only person to do it.
Why is it legitimate to extrapolate from this game? Jones had a good game. Awesome. Why is that significant?
Wonder why he didn't do that again?