First 10 selections:
(1) Chicago (from Carolina): Caleb Williams, QB
(2) Arizona: Marvin Harrison, Jr., WR
(3) New England: Drake Maye, QB
(4) Chicago: Joe Alt, OT
(5) Washington: Olu Fashanu, OT
(6) Giants: Malik Nabers, WR
(7) Tampa Bay: Jayden Daniels, QB
(8) Jets: Brock Bowers, TE
(9) L.A. Chargers: J.C. Latham, OT
(10) Tennessee: Dallas Turner, EDGE
I think the odds of the Giants passing on Jayden Daniels are ZERO. I wouldn't cry, however, taking Malik Nabers. The Giants have nothing on their roster that can touch him. And the Giants have no pass rushing complement to Kayvon Thibodeaux, so I would have no problem taking either Dallas Turner or Laiatu Latu.
Yes it does... physical therapy and the ability to rebuild strength and function in your knee matters.
Latu looks good also but his medicals are going to be huge and will probably drop some.
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Yes it does... physical therapy and the ability to rebuild strength and function in your knee matters.
And that still doesn’t guarantee you’ll heal faster. That’s just not how it works
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I'd pick Turner, happily.
Latu looks good also but his medicals are going to be huge and will probably drop some.
Not seen alot of him so far, but what I did see he's long and moves well, but I didn't see much twitch, explosion, burst, or violence.
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Doesn’t make your ligaments heal faster
Yes it does... physical therapy and the ability to rebuild strength and function in your knee matters.
And that still doesn’t guarantee you’ll heal faster. That’s just not how it works
You can't guarantee anything. That is ridiculous. Would you prefer he will more than likely be back? Does that make you feel better?
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I'd pick Turner, happily.
Latu looks good also but his medicals are going to be huge and will probably drop some.
Not seen alot of him so far, but what I did see he's long and moves well, but I didn't see much twitch, explosion, burst, or violence.
Oh you need to watch more of him. I watch a ton of Pac-12 football. He is legit. Fast, explosive, closing, power... Against USC you see him blow by a OG/OT and also power through the RT and RB for sacks. That game is a good example of who he is. If he didn't have the Washington medicals he would be top 5-10 lock.
So you think vertical concepts take longer to run than horizontal concepts?
When a WR runs a 10 yard drag route, do you think he only runs 10 yards?
The excuses are losing their oomph.
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Doesn’t make your ligaments heal faster
Yes it does... physical therapy and the ability to rebuild strength and function in your knee matters.
And that still doesn’t guarantee you’ll heal faster. That’s just not how it works
You can't guarantee anything. That is ridiculous. Would you prefer he will more than likely be back? Does that make you feel better?
A good way to damage your own credibility might be to suggest that being a hard worker makes your ligaments heal faster.
Is there anything that Daniel Jones's magical work ethic can't do?!
Other than be good at football, of course.
You can't guarantee anything. That is ridiculous. Would you prefer he will more than likely be back? Does that make you feel better?
Again, you’re guaranteeing that he’ll be back. Why are you allowed to say what you think but mine is nonsense and wishful thinking? Until he’s back on the field the Giants will be operating like he won’t be, Schoen himself said it the other day. That’s how I’m operating as well. You’re guaranteeing that Jones gives the Giants the best chance to win next year over a rookie, when that is far from a known right now. He didn’t even give them a better chance to win over Tommy DeVito this year.
I gave a logical post that listed four reasons why Jones probably won’t start again if they take a first round QB. If you want to chalk that up to wishful thinking and hating Jones, that’s your prerogative. If you don’t think the injury guarantees are going to be a factor if they have a replacement on the roster you haven’t been paying attention to he NFL. If you’ve moved on from Jones by taking a first round QB, you’re doing it with the belief you could compete for a postseason spot with the new QB by year 2, therefore he needs as much experience as possible before.
If you want to clutch onto the chance of Jones still being an option, be my guest.
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Wrong again... he had the worst pass protection so going down field was not possible. If DJ had as much time as DeVito is getting you would see more down field success.
So you think vertical concepts take longer to run than horizontal concepts?
When a WR runs a 10 yard drag route, do you think he only runs 10 yards?
The excuses are losing their oomph.
There's this belief on BBI that you can't get time to throw to a guy like Hyatt deep because no time.
That's just not true. We see other QBs do it. You can throw 40 yards downfield while only holding the ball in that low 2 second range from snap to throw. Happens all the time. With the flight time of the ball, you can get balls deep with the receiver running under it. Maybe not the perfect example, because it's just a 20 yard throw, but here's DeVito to Hyatt. Look at how long this takes to get the ball out:
https://youtu.be/0Yy9-tI7UZU?t=17
But I posted a while back of other QBs throwing much deeper shots getting the ball out in that 2 second timeframe.
Sounds like you are all aboard the JD Express... ;)
Sounds like you are all aboard the JD Express... ;)
As of now, absolutely. I really try to not get married to any player before the process plays out, to include the combine and pro days. We still have more football to play.
We still have information to collect. More game footage to watch.
But I see a player with this all around toolset...obviously the runs are impressive. But what I didn't expect to be so pleasantly surprised with in watching Daniels is the touch and accuracy he has on all levels of the field. And obviously that release of his is so good.
The problem is that we may not get the opportunity to draft him. I think it's not out of the question he goes 1.1, and I think that has only become likelier over the last month.
We don't know how these teams at the top are going to stack their boards.
And the other thing is that if it's not Daniels, but Williams or Maye, I have more worries about bust potential with both players, tbh.
And it's a possibility that none of the three are available for us without a trade up. So we have to be open to the possibility that it's a non-QB in round 1, or at least the top of round 1. I hope Schoen can find a guy later in those scenarios that can turn into something special. One of these other guys probably will pan out. I can't affect any of it so I'll just be an interested observer, do my draft homework that I love to do every year, so I have my rooting interests all in order when the draft comes around, and to contribute here in the lead up.
Even if it doesn't go the way I want it to, I'm going to be fully invested in the Schoen-Daboll rebuild project, given enough time, I do believe they will be successful.
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You can't guarantee anything. That is ridiculous. Would you prefer he will more than likely be back? Does that make you feel better?
Again, you’re guaranteeing that he’ll be back. Why are you allowed to say what you think but mine is nonsense and wishful thinking? Until he’s back on the field the Giants will be operating like he won’t be, Schoen himself said it the other day. That’s how I’m operating as well. You’re guaranteeing that Jones gives the Giants the best chance to win next year over a rookie, when that is far from a known right now. He didn’t even give them a better chance to win over Tommy DeVito this year.
I gave a logical post that listed four reasons why Jones probably won’t start again if they take a first round QB. If you want to chalk that up to wishful thinking and hating Jones, that’s your prerogative. If you don’t think the injury guarantees are going to be a factor if they have a replacement on the roster you haven’t been paying attention to he NFL. If you’ve moved on from Jones by taking a first round QB, you’re doing it with the belief you could compete for a postseason spot with the new QB by year 2, therefore he needs as much experience as possible before.
If you want to clutch onto the chance of Jones still being an option, be my guest.
I mean that is fair enough. You are right he may not be back from injury and he may not start. My opinion is no more informed than yours so I see what you are saying. To me Jones starting the beginning of next year is almost a lock. To you it isn't. I guess we will see.
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Doesn’t make your ligaments heal faster
Yes it does... physical therapy and the ability to rebuild strength and function in your knee matters.
And that still doesn’t guarantee you’ll heal faster. That’s just not how it works
You can't guarantee anything. That is ridiculous. Would you prefer he will more than likely be back? Does that make you feel better?
A good way to damage your own credibility might be to suggest that being a hard worker makes your ligaments heal faster.
Is there anything that Daniel Jones's magical work ethic can't do?!
Other than be good at football, of course.
Again... "physical therapy and the ability to rebuild strength and function in your knee matters"
As for as "credibility" Ohhhh no... please don't take away credibility! Hahaha we are all talking about our opinions here. You can take me with any grain of salt you want.
The things he has to work most on are his passing/throwing mechanics, which would be an uphill climb in the NFL IMO.
I view him more as a severe hit or miss and wouldn’t take that chance.
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Daniels throws right-handed and possesses a smooth, fluid release. He has the arm strength and accuracy to make all the throws he will need in the NFL.
Cool. Well now I’m sold.
As of now, absolutely. I really try to not get married to any player before the process plays out, to include the combine and pro days. We still have more football to play.
We still have information to collect. More game footage to watch.
But I see a player with this all around toolset...obviously the runs are impressive. But what I didn't expect to be so pleasantly surprised with in watching Daniels is the touch and accuracy he has on all levels of the field. And obviously that release of his is so good.
The problem is that we may not get the opportunity to draft him. I think it's not out of the question he goes 1.1, and I think that has only become likelier over the last month.
We don't know how these teams at the top are going to stack their boards.
And the other thing is that if it's not Daniels, but Williams or Maye, I have more worries about bust potential with both players, tbh.
And it's a possibility that none of the three are available for us without a trade up. So we have to be open to the possibility that it's a non-QB in round 1, or at least the top of round 1. I hope Schoen can find a guy later in those scenarios that can turn into something special. One of these other guys probably will pan out. I can't affect any of it so I'll just be an interested observer, do my draft homework that I love to do every year, so I have my rooting interests all in order when the draft comes around, and to contribute here in the lead up.
Even if it doesn't go the way I want it to, I'm going to be fully invested in the Schoen-Daboll rebuild project, given enough time, I do believe they will be successful.
Yes, there is more intel to collect, so this is a fluid process.
For the first two months of the college season, I had CW #1 and Maye #2. But Daniels's performances both visually and numbers wise were too compelling not to move him into the conversation as the top QB prospect. He's just been the most consistent performer and his skills look ideal for today's NFL. I have him #1 with CW and Maye interchangeable at #2.
I remember watching him last year and thinking he was pretty good, but erratic week to week. Well, that inconsistency is long gone, and he looks more comfortable than ever throwing the ball. I even went back and checked out video of his time back at ASU, especially his freshman year when he played pretty damn well. He completely outplayed Herbert when ASU upset the Ducks that year when they were top five. So, the talent has always been there, it just needed to blossom.
I have loved CW since he burst onto the scene with Oklahoma three years ago. His arm talent and running are superb. But he's been very sloppy this year in the pocket and his fundamentals have slipped. Those things are fixable, but I think it's a bit of a pullback overall.
Maye has struggled down the stretch as the wheels have fallen off the entire UNC team since the unexpected UVA loss. He's looked really off at time. But he's big, strong, a good arm, and he can move. There is a lot to like in the measurable department.
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Cool. Well now I’m sold.
You shouldn’t try being less condescending
* invested in both OT spots with early Round 1 picks
* invested in pass-rusher with early Round 1 pick
* 2024 draft weak at CB, DT for top 10 pick
So, right now, I'd say QB (Jayden Daniels) or WR (Nabers, Coleman, Odunze) are the most logical fits based on where this draft is strong and where they have needs
The things he has to work most on are his passing/throwing mechanics, which would be an uphill climb in the NFL IMO.
I view him more as a severe hit or miss and wouldn’t take that chance.
Daniels is extremely accurate and you have to love the short wind up. I am concerned about the pocket movement and ability to spot secondary receivers who are open. But his pure throwing is a plus.
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Its logical
It is logical to you... but in the NFL they want to win and DJ will give them the best chance to win. That isn't even thinking about the fact they are play him 40 mil and will want to prove the deal. He will start and if he plays well and we are winning he will continue to start.
How is what I said wishful thinking but thinking Jones coming off an ACL gives them the best chance to win isn’t?
They haven’t won much with Jones, how are you so sure he gives them the better chance to win? Because he’s more experienced?
Jones will be back earlier... there isn't many other harder working QBs in the league. He will make a good recovery because that is who he is.
And this bullshit here is the entire problem. “There isn’t many other harder working QBs in the league”? Wtf? Aside from the horrific grammar, this idea that Jones works harder than most other QBs if absolutely asinine and that narrative is what is driving too many pro Jones opinions.
I hate to tell you, Jones does not work harder than most QBs. If you are a successful QB in the NFL, you are likely a very hard worker. You know why you THINK he works harder? It’s because that’s the typical “compliment” we see from the coaching staff and players. We never hear about his ability on the field. We hear he’s a hard worker. When people get asked about the better QBs in the league they don’t bring up how hard they work because they are too busy gushing about what they are doing ON THE FIELD.
Just stop with the hardest worker in the league bullshit you lunatics.
In February 2018 I started a thread saying Lamar Jackson was the best player in the draft and we should take him at 2. The college production as a runner and passer was incredible, and the highlights backed it up.
I can't help but feel the same with Daniels. The highlights show a different tier of athlete (in the SEC), and the production is extraordinary.
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Daniels throws right-handed and possesses a smooth, fluid release. He has the arm strength and accuracy to make all the throws he will need in the NFL.
Cool. Well now I’m sold.
There is not one single thing Jones does better than Daniels. Not one thing. How on earth are you so devoted to Jones and then have this much skepticism for a player that is more talented in every single phase of the game?
In February 2018 I started a thread saying Lamar Jackson was the best player in the draft and we should take him at 2. The college production as a runner and passer was incredible, and the highlights backed it up.
I can't help but feel the same with Daniels. The highlights show a different tier of athlete (in the SEC), and the production is extraordinary.
I saw this in the Sy thread. Check out JD's YPA. It almost 12. Just think about that...72% completion% and nearly 12 YPA.
That has to be a historical exacta...
So your view was shared by one of the best NFL front offices.
In February 2018 I started a thread saying Lamar Jackson was the best player in the draft and we should take him at 2. The college production as a runner and passer was incredible, and the highlights backed it up.
I can't help but feel the same with Daniels. The highlights show a different tier of athlete (in the SEC), and the production is extraordinary.
That is a hell of a year! I have to believe Daniels will climb to the top tier with CW and DM once the off season evaluations begin in earnest. This gives me hope that getting a top quarterback is still a possibility despite our expected draft position.
Also, developing good pocket skills is something hard working backup QBs can learn. Why is DJ unable to get better at it?
I question the work ethic praise.
Daniels against Florida was the best thing I've seen in CFB this year, by a lot.
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Also, developing good pocket skills is something hard working backup QBs can learn. Why is DJ unable to get better at it?
I question the work ethic praise.
I have no doubt he’s a hard worker. I just have no idea what he’s working on. It’s certainly not translating on the field. He’s been working hard for 5 seasons, is there a discernible difference in his play from his rookie year until now?
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Its logical
It is logical to you... but in the NFL they want to win and DJ will give them the best chance to win. That isn't even thinking about the fact they are play him 40 mil and will want to prove the deal. He will start and if he plays well and we are winning he will continue to start.
How is what I said wishful thinking but thinking Jones coming off an ACL gives them the best chance to win isn’t?
They haven’t won much with Jones, how are you so sure he gives them the better chance to win? Because he’s more experienced?
Jones will be back earlier... there isn't many other harder working QBs in the league. He will make a good recovery because that is who he is.
And this bullshit here is the entire problem. “There isn’t many other harder working QBs in the league”? Wtf? Aside from the horrific grammar, this idea that Jones works harder than most other QBs if absolutely asinine and that narrative is what is driving too many pro Jones opinions.
I hate to tell you, Jones does not work harder than most QBs. If you are a successful QB in the NFL, you are likely a very hard worker. You know why you THINK he works harder? It’s because that’s the typical “compliment” we see from the coaching staff and players. We never hear about his ability on the field. We hear he’s a hard worker. When people get asked about the better QBs in the league they don’t bring up how hard they work because they are too busy gushing about what they are doing ON THE FIELD.
Just stop with the hardest worker in the league bullshit you lunatics.
Hahaha... this is my favorite part...
"Aside from the horrific grammar, this idea that Jones works harder than most other QBs if absolutely asinine and that narrative is what is driving too many pro Jones opinions."
Daniels against Florida was the best thing I've seen in CFB this year, by a lot. Link - ( New Window )
Check out the Alabama game, too. Before he got his pilot's license from the cheap shot by Turner, Daniels was lighting it up in Tuscaloosa. Check out his running in particular.
And the Bama D has some real good pro prospects with Turner (great edge), Kool-Aid (great corner), Braswell (good edge guy), Arnold (great DB)...
Also, developing good pocket skills is something hard working backup QBs can learn. Why is DJ unable to get better at it?
I question the work ethic praise.
So you're saying he might be stupid. At least compared to other quarterbacks in the league. Wr can say that if it explains his play, right?
I'm not yet sold, but he's making a strong pitch.
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Its logical
It is logical to you... but in the NFL they want to win and DJ will give them the best chance to win. That isn't even thinking about the fact they are play him 40 mil and will want to prove the deal. He will start and if he plays well and we are winning he will continue to start.
How is what I said wishful thinking but thinking Jones coming off an ACL gives them the best chance to win isn’t?
They haven’t won much with Jones, how are you so sure he gives them the better chance to win? Because he’s more experienced?
Jones will be back earlier... there isn't many other harder working QBs in the league. He will make a good recovery because that is who he is.
And this bullshit here is the entire problem. “There isn’t many other harder working QBs in the league”? Wtf? Aside from the horrific grammar, this idea that Jones works harder than most other QBs if absolutely asinine and that narrative is what is driving too many pro Jones opinions.
I hate to tell you, Jones does not work harder than most QBs. If you are a successful QB in the NFL, you are likely a very hard worker. You know why you THINK he works harder? It’s because that’s the typical “compliment” we see from the coaching staff and players. We never hear about his ability on the field. We hear he’s a hard worker. When people get asked about the better QBs in the league they don’t bring up how hard they work because they are too busy gushing about what they are doing ON THE FIELD.
Just stop with the hardest worker in the league bullshit you lunatics.
Hahaha... this is my favorite part...
"Aside from the horrific grammar, this idea that Jones works harder than most other QBs if absolutely asinine and that narrative is what is driving too many pro Jones opinions."
You do understand that is the correct spelling of that word, right?
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I don’t even think Jones knows how to prepare for NFL games. Even modestly talented QBs can get pre snap reads right, which is apparently something which DJ struggles with.
Also, developing good pocket skills is something hard working backup QBs can learn. Why is DJ unable to get better at it?
I question the work ethic praise.
I have no doubt he’s a hard worker. I just have no idea what he’s working on. It’s certainly not translating on the field. He’s been working hard for 5 seasons, is there a discernible difference in his play from his rookie year until now?
Exactly. I’m sure he’s putting in the hours, but it’s not producing consistent improvement.
New England at #3 [100% will take a QB]
Washington at #5 [Howell will not hold them back]
Also, Arizona at #2 might trade down and Chicago at #4 most likely will trade down because some team might make an offer they cannot refuse.
Very high percentage that the Giants will not have get one of the top 3 QBs unless they trade up if the order does not change.
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A game unless that guy is hurt.
Man, you make GoTerps seem like a Jones supporter. I've never seen someone so anti-Jones.
And I’ve never seen someone more obtuse and Pollyannaish as you regarding Jones. Well done!
im not in that camp and the talent is obvious, but id haved liked to see some better performances vs the high quality opponents he played the last 2 years like Bama, UGA, FSU. 1-4 vs those teams in that time period. Florida was/is a dumpster fire right now, only ranked win this year was against Mizzou.
last bowl game projection i saw for LSU was ND, and that kind of opponent/win would be very good for daniels especially since presumably some of the weapons would sit (nabers). if he sits like pickett bad sign.
last year strouds best games were postseason, bryce young played postseason, in 2021 fields played in the bowl games (simmons picked him off), lawrence played even though he was basically a lock #1 by then, in 2020 herbert and burrow played. tua was hurt. in 2019 kyler played against bama and had a good game even though they lost. haskins, jones, lock all played too.
im not in that camp and the talent is obvious, but id haved liked to see some better performances vs the high quality opponents he played the last 2 years like Bama, UGA, FSU. 1-4 vs those teams in that time period. Florida was/is a dumpster fire right now, only ranked win this year was against Mizzou.
last bowl game projection i saw for LSU was ND, and that kind of opponent/win would be very good for daniels especially since presumably some of the weapons would sit (nabers). if he sits like pickett bad sign.
Daniels had a very good freshman year at ASU. He beat Oregon with Herbert and outplayed him.
The ASU program with Edwards then went sideways with all of the recruiting issues (Daniels's mom was accused, too). So, everything blew up...
I don't care how poor Florida is. They have pro athletes on both sides of the ball and Daniels piled up 600+ yards by himself. 600+. Just think about that. No other QB comes close to that.
Are you blaming Daniels for LSU only beating one ranked team? JFC, he produced 50 TDs and LSU leads the nation in scoring.
They lost to Bama because Turner cheap-shotted Daniels with a shot to the helmet and they lost to Ole Miss by six because LSU's D fell apart in the 4th quarter. He only had 500 yards total offense in that game, btw...
Man, you are being awfully rough on the guy...
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if you talk to anyone who watched him at ASU there is literally no convincing them he's actually a good qb.
im not in that camp and the talent is obvious, but id haved liked to see some better performances vs the high quality opponents he played the last 2 years like Bama, UGA, FSU. 1-4 vs those teams in that time period. Florida was/is a dumpster fire right now, only ranked win this year was against Mizzou.
last bowl game projection i saw for LSU was ND, and that kind of opponent/win would be very good for daniels especially since presumably some of the weapons would sit (nabers). if he sits like pickett bad sign.
Daniels had a very good freshman year at ASU. He beat Oregon with Herbert and outplayed him.
The ASU program with Edwards then went sideways with all of the recruiting issues (Daniels's mom was accused, too). So, everything blew up...
I don't care how poor Florida is. They have pro athletes on both sides of the ball and Daniels piled up 600+ yards by himself. 600+. Just think about that. No other QB comes close to that.
Are you blaming Daniels for LSU only beating one ranked team? JFC, he produced 50 TDs and LSU leads the nation in scoring.
They lost to Bama because Turner cheap-shotted Daniels with a shot to the helmet and they lost to Ole Miss by six because LSU's D fell apart in the 4th quarter. He only had 500 yards total offense in that game, btw...
Man, you are being awfully rough on the guy...
oregon herbert wasn't todays herbert because he was coached by cristobal - whom you were extremely right about bw, that guy probably would have found a way to mess up the lsu offense in 2020.
im only relaying what some people i trust think who watched a lot more asu than i do. yes they were a disaster with herm, though they've also rarely been all that good.
and yes, heisman qbs (especially the ones ticket to go top 10) in college get judged under a pretty ridiculous standard of winning big games and doing more than piling up stats on lesser opponents. it's literally been that way since the beginning of time. haskins, stroud, fields were all judged under that same microscope leading top teams with top weapons.
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if you talk to anyone who watched him at ASU there is literally no convincing them he's actually a good qb.
im not in that camp and the talent is obvious, but id haved liked to see some better performances vs the high quality opponents he played the last 2 years like Bama, UGA, FSU. 1-4 vs those teams in that time period. Florida was/is a dumpster fire right now, only ranked win this year was against Mizzou.
last bowl game projection i saw for LSU was ND, and that kind of opponent/win would be very good for daniels especially since presumably some of the weapons would sit (nabers). if he sits like pickett bad sign.
Daniels had a very good freshman year at ASU. He beat Oregon with Herbert and outplayed him.
The ASU program with Edwards then went sideways with all of the recruiting issues (Daniels's mom was accused, too). So, everything blew up...
I don't care how poor Florida is. They have pro athletes on both sides of the ball and Daniels piled up 600+ yards by himself. 600+. Just think about that. No other QB comes close to that.
Are you blaming Daniels for LSU only beating one ranked team? JFC, he produced 50 TDs and LSU leads the nation in scoring.
They lost to Bama because Turner cheap-shotted Daniels with a shot to the helmet and they lost to Ole Miss by six because LSU's D fell apart in the 4th quarter. He only had 500 yards total offense in that game, btw...
Man, you are being awfully rough on the guy...
oregon herbert wasn't todays herbert because he was coached by cristobal - whom you were extremely right about bw, that guy probably would have found a way to mess up the lsu offense in 2020.
im only relaying what some people i trust think who watched a lot more asu than i do. yes they were a disaster with herm, though they've also rarely been all that good.
and yes, heisman qbs (especially the ones ticket to go top 10) in college get judged under a pretty ridiculous standard of winning big games and doing more than piling up stats on lesser opponents. it's literally been that way since the beginning of time. haskins, stroud, fields were all judged under that same microscope leading top teams with top weapons.
This sounds awfully similar to skepticism people would voice about Joe Burrow inbetween legendary performance after legendary performance.
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if you talk to anyone who watched him at ASU there is literally no convincing them he's actually a good qb.
im not in that camp and the talent is obvious, but id haved liked to see some better performances vs the high quality opponents he played the last 2 years like Bama, UGA, FSU. 1-4 vs those teams in that time period. Florida was/is a dumpster fire right now, only ranked win this year was against Mizzou.
last bowl game projection i saw for LSU was ND, and that kind of opponent/win would be very good for daniels especially since presumably some of the weapons would sit (nabers). if he sits like pickett bad sign.
Daniels had a very good freshman year at ASU. He beat Oregon with Herbert and outplayed him.
The ASU program with Edwards then went sideways with all of the recruiting issues (Daniels's mom was accused, too). So, everything blew up...
I don't care how poor Florida is. They have pro athletes on both sides of the ball and Daniels piled up 600+ yards by himself. 600+. Just think about that. No other QB comes close to that.
Are you blaming Daniels for LSU only beating one ranked team? JFC, he produced 50 TDs and LSU leads the nation in scoring.
They lost to Bama because Turner cheap-shotted Daniels with a shot to the helmet and they lost to Ole Miss by six because LSU's D fell apart in the 4th quarter. He only had 500 yards total offense in that game, btw...
Man, you are being awfully rough on the guy...
oregon herbert wasn't todays herbert because he was coached by cristobal - whom you were extremely right about bw, that guy probably would have found a way to mess up the lsu offense in 2020.
im only relaying what some people i trust think who watched a lot more asu than i do. yes they were a disaster with herm, though they've also rarely been all that good.
and yes, heisman qbs (especially the ones ticket to go top 10) in college get judged under a pretty ridiculous standard of winning big games and doing more than piling up stats on lesser opponents. it's literally been that way since the beginning of time. haskins, stroud, fields were all judged under that same microscope leading top teams with top weapons.
This sounds awfully similar to skepticism people would voice about Joe Burrow inbetween legendary performance after legendary performance.
except for the part where he put up almost 400-500 yards passing weekly in wins against bama (#2), uga (#4), oklahoma (#4), clemson (#3) on the way to a national championship with 19 tds and 0 ints in those 4 games.
but other than that the play was great right mrs lincoln?
and yes, heisman qbs (especially the ones ticket to go top 10) in college get judged under a pretty ridiculous standard of winning big games and doing more than piling up stats on lesser opponents. it's literally been that way since the beginning of time. haskins, stroud, fields were all judged under that same microscope leading top teams with top weapons.
I don't understand why you mention the Heisman. It's irrelevant. All I care about is the player as a prospect; and whether they have the skills to convey to the NFL and how they performed on the field.
Which performance this year by JD do you possibly have an issue with? The first game of the year versus FSU three months ago, currently a top ten D in PPG allowed, when he only had 400+ yards in total offense, 9+ YPA, and 1 INT?
LSU, again, is the top scoring offense in the country. What else would you like him to do when the LSU D is like 90th in the country in points allowed...
To each their own, I guess. But I don't see many blemishes this masterpiece of a year by Daniels.
im not in that camp and the talent is obvious, but id haved liked to see some better performances vs the high quality opponents he played the last 2 years like Bama, UGA, FSU. 1-4 vs those teams in that time period. Florida was/is a dumpster fire right now, only ranked win this year was against Mizzou.
last bowl game projection i saw for LSU was ND, and that kind of opponent/win would be very good for daniels especially since presumably some of the weapons would sit (nabers). if he sits like pickett bad sign.
I care a lot more about what he is now than what he was a couple of years ago in a crumbling program that fired it's coach. I think the Jayden Daniels in this draft will be the current version.
I think there are legit questions/criticisms of Daniels, but who he was 2-3 years ago and how many points his defense gives up this year seem like really irrelevant ones.