First 10 selections:
(1) Chicago (from Carolina): Caleb Williams, QB
(2) Arizona: Marvin Harrison, Jr., WR
(3) New England: Drake Maye, QB
(4) Chicago: Joe Alt, OT
(5) Washington: Olu Fashanu, OT
(6) Giants: Malik Nabers, WR
(7) Tampa Bay: Jayden Daniels, QB
(8) Jets: Brock Bowers, TE
(9) L.A. Chargers: J.C. Latham, OT
(10) Tennessee: Dallas Turner, EDGE
I think the odds of the Giants passing on Jayden Daniels are ZERO. I wouldn't cry, however, taking Malik Nabers. The Giants have nothing on their roster that can touch him. And the Giants have no pass rushing complement to Kayvon Thibodeaux, so I would have no problem taking either Dallas Turner or Laiatu Latu.
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Oy vey . I guess this means DeVito is a future HOF'er..lol..
And his 2022 season, winning a road playoff was a figment of our imaginations? This os where the Jobes haters go too far. You can argue he needs to be replaced sure, but to label him as a bust is a joke.
2022 is a figment of your imagination. A team that squeaked by with 9 wins and beat a vastly overrated team with zero production from our QB before getting blown out for a third time by the Eagles.
Let it go man
Zero production? 22 total TD's and over 800 yards rushing is zero production? And only 5 picks? Geeze Louise
Amazing how some still do not understand the draft or the big picture.
Yeah, Turner is the one to keep an eye out for.
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Oy vey . I guess this means DeVito is a future HOF'er..lol..
And his 2022 season, winning a road playoff was a figment of our imaginations? This os where the Jobes haters go too far. You can argue he needs to be replaced sure, but to label him as a bust is a joke.
2022 is a figment of your imagination. A team that squeaked by with 9 wins and beat a vastly overrated team with zero production from our QB before getting blown out for a third time by the Eagles.
Let it go man
Zero production? 22 total TD's and over 800 yards rushing is zero production? And only 5 picks? Geeze Louise
Bottom of the league in passing yards, passing TD's and points scored for the last 4 years is really impressive
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Win enough games to miss out on the top 2 QBs and top WR, and take WR2 instead of QB3 because Jones is on scholarship and "needs weapons".
You are missing something here. Whether they take "WR2" or "QB3" is a separate issue to Jones. The scholarship comment is ignorant. The Giants have an out after next season where they can get out of the contract without getting killed financially. Even if Jones is not the long-term answer, you don't pass on a Nabers if you don't think Daniels is a franchise QB.
I am a big fan of both, but you don't shop hungry, desperate for a position. If they view Nabers as an all-pro and aren't nearly as high on Daniels, you don't pass on Nabers (who would be the #1 WR in most drafts). And I say this as someone who would take Daniels over Nabers if the draft worked out like that.
I don't think I'm missing anything, I'm starting to come around to the belief that the Giants simply don't (and won't) want to move on from Jones. It's just my opinion, but I think there's a sense of relief in the organization that they are now almost certain to miss out on the top 2 QBs. Now they can justify doing virtually anything, don't have to go through the awkwardness of having an elite QB prospect or answer questions about why they passed on the top 2.
Maybe that's just me being pessimistic, and I'm prepared to be surprised, but I'd be stunned if Jones (if healthy) didn't enter camp as QB1 with either a mid-round rookie or veteran there with no chance to unseat him as starter.
Amazing how some still do not understand the draft or the big picture.
This. As much as I know there needs to be a significant QB upgrade, I have no interest in going down the Jones path again. Don't reach or force a QB pick.
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Win enough games to miss out on the top 2 QBs and top WR, and take WR2 instead of QB3 because Jones is on scholarship and "needs weapons".
You are missing something here. Whether they take "WR2" or "QB3" is a separate issue to Jones. The scholarship comment is ignorant. The Giants have an out after next season where they can get out of the contract without getting killed financially. Even if Jones is not the long-term answer, you don't pass on a Nabers if you don't think Daniels is a franchise QB.
I am a big fan of both, but you don't shop hungry, desperate for a position. If they view Nabers as an all-pro and aren't nearly as high on Daniels, you don't pass on Nabers (who would be the #1 WR in most drafts). And I say this as someone who would take Daniels over Nabers if the draft worked out like that.
I don't think I'm missing anything, I'm starting to come around to the belief that the Giants simply don't (and won't) want to move on from Jones. It's just my opinion, but I think there's a sense of relief in the organization that they are now almost certain to miss out on the top 2 QBs. Now they can justify doing virtually anything, don't have to go through the awkwardness of having an elite QB prospect or answer questions about why they passed on the top 2.
Maybe that's just me being pessimistic, and I'm prepared to be surprised, but I'd be stunned if Jones (if healthy) didn't enter camp as QB1 with either a mid-round rookie or veteran there with no chance to unseat him as starter.
I agree, I think they were looking for any excuse to not have to take a QB and they got it. Now they can go with Jones again next year and not have to deal with the questions about why they gave him a huge contract if they didn't think he was good enough to last over a season. I just hope next season when he shows FOR THE SIXTH TIME what he is, they don't continue clinging to the mistake.
I'm still decently high on Neal, but that was a miss.
Taking BPA in the top 10 is absolutely what needs to happen. If Nabers or Odunze fits the bill, take them.
Do you have any evidence of any team ever adhering to that strategy?
He used to call him Daball. Tells you all you need to know about how closely he follows the NFL and the Giants.
Eightshamrocks is a troll, not a legit poster.
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He used to call him Daball. Tells you all you need to know about how closely he follows the NFL and the Giants.
Eightshamrocks is a troll, not a legit poster.
It's called a typo. I'm not a troll.
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Oy vey . I guess this means DeVito is a future HOF'er..lol..
And his 2022 season, winning a road playoff was a figment of our imaginations? This os where the Jobes haters go too far. You can argue he needs to be replaced sure, but to label him as a bust is a joke.
2022 is a figment of your imagination. A team that squeaked by with 9 wins and beat a vastly overrated team with zero production from our QB before getting blown out for a third time by the Eagles.
Let it go man
I wouldn’t go pissing on Daniel Jones’ 2022 season. And he had little if anything to do with Philly wiping the floor with the Giants in the playoffs. That miserable game happened because they had better WRs, better TEs, better offensive line, better EDGE pass rushers, better LBers and a better secondary.
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Oy vey . I guess this means DeVito is a future HOF'er..lol..
And his 2022 season, winning a road playoff was a figment of our imaginations? This os where the Jobes haters go too far. You can argue he needs to be replaced sure, but to label him as a bust is a joke.
Daniel Jones = keep him he is a good QB because he won a road playoff game.
Joe Burrow = wasted pick because he lost in the superbowl in his second year.
That is brilliance.
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He used to call him Daball. Tells you all you need to know about how closely he follows the NFL and the Giants.
Eightshamrocks is a troll, not a legit poster.
It's called a typo. I'm not a troll.
You have been typing his name wrong for at least two weeks now. You were called out on it yesterday and now you are typing it differently, but still wrong.
I didn't imagine that.
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Win enough games to miss out on the top 2 QBs and top WR, and take WR2 instead of QB3 because Jones is on scholarship and "needs weapons".
You are missing something here. Whether they take "WR2" or "QB3" is a separate issue to Jones. The scholarship comment is ignorant. The Giants have an out after next season where they can get out of the contract without getting killed financially. Even if Jones is not the long-term answer, you don't pass on a Nabers if you don't think Daniels is a franchise QB.
I am a big fan of both, but you don't shop hungry, desperate for a position. If they view Nabers as an all-pro and aren't nearly as high on Daniels, you don't pass on Nabers (who would be the #1 WR in most drafts). And I say this as someone who would take Daniels over Nabers if the draft worked out like that.
I don't think I'm missing anything, I'm starting to come around to the belief that the Giants simply don't (and won't) want to move on from Jones. It's just my opinion, but I think there's a sense of relief in the organization that they are now almost certain to miss out on the top 2 QBs. Now they can justify doing virtually anything, don't have to go through the awkwardness of having an elite QB prospect or answer questions about why they passed on the top 2.
Maybe that's just me being pessimistic, and I'm prepared to be surprised, but I'd be stunned if Jones (if healthy) didn't enter camp as QB1 with either a mid-round rookie or veteran there with no chance to unseat him as starter.
Jones will be on the Giants next year. They don't save anything by cutting him. Your view that they are married to Jones beyond that does not jive with the out Schoen has with the contract after two years. I think they like what they saw last year of Jones, but still didn't want to fully commit to him. Obviously, this year has not been a good year performance wise or injury wise.
If they are in a position to draft a QB they think is a franchise QB, they would be fools to pass on him. Similarly, if they draft a QB just for the sake of drafting a QB, they'd be fools.
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I'd be looking at Turner and the WRs if their QB target is gone.
Amazing how some still do not understand the draft or the big picture.
This is a fair point.
I could be wrong but for some reason I envision Daniels being the guy who "shoots" up draft boards (atleast through the media) through his off season work outs and throwing in shorts. Ala Anthony Richardson.
Richardson is an athlete who plays QB.
Daniels is an athletic QB.
I've seen enough of Daniels throwing in full pads in the SEC to see he's much better at playing QB than Richardson.
I wasn't comparing the players, just the "rise" they see post season.
I’m not sure I would go quite as far as you, but I’ve watched a lot of Odunze and he is an outright beast. Have no problem whatsoever if he ends up in Blue, preferably in a trade down where we amass some more draft capital.
Dallas Turner
Emeka Egbuka
Cooper Beebe
Burrow has been to two AFC CGs, a SB, and was averaging 35 TD passes the last two years. Those aren't examples of Burrow overcoming a weak OL?
Why can't a team fix the OL and upgrade the QB position simultaneously?
DJ’s had bad OL + bad skills his entire career. No QB is going to overcome that.
Hell, Jalen Hurts looked like garbage until he got Smith and Brown - even with a solid OL.
I still think Mayer fits the Giants profile. He would have to get by NE at 3 for Schoen to be able to move up for him though.
As you've stated, lots of time to go yet!
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Oy vey . I guess this means DeVito is a future HOF'er..lol..
And his 2022 season, winning a road playoff was a figment of our imaginations? This os where the Jobes haters go too far. You can argue he needs to be replaced sure, but to label him as a bust is a joke.
Daniel Jones = keep him he is a good QB because he won a road playoff game.
Joe Burrow = wasted pick because he lost in the superbowl in his second year.
That is brilliance.
I know a number of FL St. and Miami fans, who all laughed and scoffed at Richardson being a high pick. I told them he would. 6'4", 245 lbs, tons of speed, big arm. GMs will fall in love with his tools.
Daniels has the tools, plus he has put it together on the field, unlike Richardson in college. Only thing he doesn't have is the frame of Richardson. He's my favorite QB in this draft, and I'd be surprised if he were available at #6.
I didn't imagine that.
The offense struggled almost the entire season, again having issues scoring. The started 7-2, lost four games in a row, and saved their season with Thibodeaux destroyed the Commanders.
Jones went off on the Colts in the regular season and the Vikings in the playoffs. He wasn't competitive in either game against the Eagles late in the season.
What Daboll and Kafka did was stabilize Jones. He stopped turning the ball over. He was functional, with a simplistic offense. It's not like he was playing great football other than the playoff game. They basically gave him the 4-year contract on the hope that the playoff game wasn't a mirage.
This year, he won one game, against the Cardinals, where the offense didn't score a single point in the first half. The other games he started the offense didn't score in the first half. That's absurd.
I still think Mayer fits the Giants profile. He would have to get by NE at 3 for Schoen to be able to move up for him though.
As you've stated, lots of time to go yet!
I actually think if Bill stays, they’re going to take Daniels.
Jones will be on the Giants next year. They don't save anything by cutting him. Your view that they are married to Jones beyond that does not jive with the out Schoen has with the contract after two years. I think they like what they saw last year of Jones, but still didn't want to fully commit to him. Obviously, this year has not been a good year performance wise or injury wise.
If they are in a position to draft a QB they think is a franchise QB, they would be fools to pass on him. Similarly, if they draft a QB just for the sake of drafting a QB, they'd be fools.
Just because there is an out doesn't mean they'll use it, and I don't believe outside of the top-2 there will be any appetite at the very top of the organization (as Ranaan strongly suggested) to draft a QB in the 1st round whether he's a potential franchise QB or not.
So, a hypothetical:
The 2024 Giants with Daniel Jones as their QB win 7-8 games and are reasonably competitive. They play (as Mara says) "meaningful games in December" but narrowly miss the last playoff spot in the NFC. Jones has a decent season, something like 2022 statistically.
Any chance they don't bring him back in 2025?
Nabers in the top 10 + trading up from round 2 for a QB later in the first would be A+++ for me. Daniels, Nix, McCarthy all interesting.
Aside from a light frame, which he can clearly add 10+ more pounds, there is NOTHING skill wise to keep Daniels from being the top selection.
I don't know how you can watch any five games he played this year and not see it. He's electric. And because of his acceleration and release/mechanics, he might be the best two-way QB prospect I have ever seen.
He is. But so is his teammate Brian Thomas, Jr. That guy may be the second coming of TO. He's a monster.
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wait until after he tests through the roof at the combine. There will be whispers about him going #1 overall (not that I think he should but we will hear them).
Aside from a light frame, which he can clearly add 10+ more pounds, there is NOTHING skill wise to keep Daniels from being the top selection.
I don't know how you can watch any five games he played this year and not see it. He's electric. And because of his acceleration and release/mechanics, he might be the best two-way QB prospect I have ever seen.
I am behind on watching LSU games this season. Work et al are fookin killing me and free time.
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He is. But so is his teammate Brian Thomas, Jr. That guy may be the second coming of TO. He's a monster.
Yeah, I think MHJ, Nabers, Odunze, Keon Coleman and Brian Thomas Jr. are all top-20 players.
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wait until after he tests through the roof at the combine. There will be whispers about him going #1 overall (not that I think he should but we will hear them).
Aside from a light frame, which he can clearly add 10+ more pounds, there is NOTHING skill wise to keep Daniels from being the top selection.
I don't know how you can watch any five games he played this year and not see it. He's electric. And because of his acceleration and release/mechanics, he might be the best two-way QB prospect I have ever seen.
I feel like I am watching Lamar Jackson with better throwing skills when I watch Daniels. Just an amazing player. My favorite player in the draft. I don't see how his skills don't translate to the NFL. The only concerns as you alluded to are the frame. If he could add some bulk without losing explosiveness, the sky is the limit with him
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wait until after he tests through the roof at the combine. There will be whispers about him going #1 overall (not that I think he should but we will hear them).
Aside from a light frame, which he can clearly add 10+ more pounds, there is NOTHING skill wise to keep Daniels from being the top selection.
I don't know how you can watch any five games he played this year and not see it. He's electric. And because of his acceleration and release/mechanics, he might be the best two-way QB prospect I have ever seen.
I am behind on watching LSU games this season. Work et al are fookin killing me and free time.
Pop in the FL game first. 600 yards against an SEC defense. Ran for 85 yard and 51 yard TDs if I recall correctly. Just an unreal game.
I do have a few questions about him. And I don’t know if they can be answered by watching games because outside 2 teams - the SEC is kind of down this year and Daniels didn’t play 1 of them.
1. Is he a better runner than thrower? I know people like his release and his arm strength. But in the NFL - you still have to be able to wing it.
2. Can he do it constantly from the pocket with accuracy? The scramble plays are fun and exciting, but again - he will be facing tougher competition.
3. How does he react to adversity. We all know when things go well - QBs can be exciting. But if he is hit and sacked constantly - can he maintain the high level of play.
I honestly don’t know cause I haven’t seen a ton from him. He has amazing WRs and a great system. Which he may not have next year.
Just thinking out loud here.
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2022 is a figment of our imagination? You mean the season where everyone was laughing at the team before it started and said the Giants would absolutely suck, they'd move on from Jones, and then everyone all of a sudden was loving the playoff ride?
I didn't imagine that.
The offense struggled almost the entire season, again having issues scoring. The started 7-2, lost four games in a row, and saved their season with Thibodeaux destroyed the Commanders.
Jones went off on the Colts in the regular season and the Vikings in the playoffs. He wasn't competitive in either game against the Eagles late in the season.
What Daboll and Kafka did was stabilize Jones. He stopped turning the ball over. He was functional, with a simplistic offense. It's not like he was playing great football other than the playoff game. They basically gave him the 4-year contract on the hope that the playoff game wasn't a mirage.
This year, he won one game, against the Cardinals, where the offense didn't score a single point in the first half. The other games he started the offense didn't score in the first half. That's absurd.
I am not going to defend Jones's play this season-it was poor. However, it certainly didn't help him to have Thomas go down in the 1st game and Barkley to go down in the last play of the game in the Cardinals comeback. Jones has had poor luck ever since he's been in the league. I think he deserves one last shot-a shot that he will get next season. If he fails again, obviously he's gone.
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wait until after he tests through the roof at the combine. There will be whispers about him going #1 overall (not that I think he should but we will hear them).
Aside from a light frame, which he can clearly add 10+ more pounds, there is NOTHING skill wise to keep Daniels from being the top selection.
I don't know how you can watch any five games he played this year and not see it. He's electric. And because of his acceleration and release/mechanics, he might be the best two-way QB prospect I have ever seen.
I feel like I am watching Lamar Jackson with better throwing skills when I watch Daniels. Just an amazing player. My favorite player in the draft. I don't see how his skills don't translate to the NFL. The only concerns as you alluded to are the frame. If he could add some bulk without losing explosiveness, the sky is the limit with him
There have been numerous Lamars who have come into the league. They all failed. There's only one Lamar.
He wasn't playing in a normal system. Once they opened it up we saw what Jones is.
So the logic is that highly ranked Evan Neal can be evaluated in way under 2 full seasons of play but overdraft Daniel Jones needs more time after 5 seasons.
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wait until after he tests through the roof at the combine. There will be whispers about him going #1 overall (not that I think he should but we will hear them).
Aside from a light frame, which he can clearly add 10+ more pounds, there is NOTHING skill wise to keep Daniels from being the top selection.
I don't know how you can watch any five games he played this year and not see it. He's electric. And because of his acceleration and release/mechanics, he might be the best two-way QB prospect I have ever seen.
I feel like I am watching Lamar Jackson with better throwing skills when I watch Daniels. Just an amazing player. My favorite player in the draft. I don't see how his skills don't translate to the NFL. The only concerns as you alluded to are the frame. If he could add some bulk without losing explosiveness, the sky is the limit with him
There have been numerous Lamars who have come into the league. They all failed. There's only one Lamar.
Such as?
What would Daboll have to say about this? He’s going into his make or break 3rd season with Jones, who may not even be able to play the first half of the season, and some mediocre vet backup as his QB options? That’s career suicide.
I think Schoen will use Jones’ injury status as an excuse/fig leaf to take a 1st rd QB.
Fat Wally’s thread pointing out that Schoen was reviewing the 2018 QB draft class sure indicates to me that Schoen is considering taking one.
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When $40 Million is committed to Daniel Jones next season? Makes zero sense. And then when Daniels fails epically behind a trash O-line, Schoen and Dabboll fall on the sword. You guys will never learn. You don't draft a new QB until you fix the O-line, period. Even Burrow couldn't overcome the crap O-line he plays behind. You think Daniels is going to do it?
Joe Burrow went to a Super Bowl in his second year?
While they passed on OL for Chase ....
Somehow I doubt the groupies will share this view.
We'll see where Sy lands on this, won't we?
The OL did not make the expected improvements and has been significantly worse. The offseason additions at the skill positions did not pan out like expected. Then the injuries especially to AT and SB. Bellinger regressing.
I am good with drafting a QB but this idea of putting practically everything on Jones is foolish. He played three games without both SB and AT. Opening day was a total team no show. That is four games of the 5.25 he played.
Surprised by some of the posters position on this. Some other posters it is business as usual....regarding Jones.