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Hypothetical - Giants do not get QB in 2024 draft

bc4life : 11/29/2023 10:08 am
What does 2025 QB crop look like?
not hard  
Giantsfan79 : 11/29/2023 10:09 am : link
Jones, Tommy, someone else
It’s questionable  
Sammo85 : 11/29/2023 10:12 am : link
Shedeur Sanders, Drew Allar, Carson Beck are some early names. Allar may need to stay another year or go somewhere. I’m a bit down on him.

more importantly...  
Dnew15 : 11/29/2023 10:12 am : link
what does the BBI corner forum look like if that happens????
Nowhere near as good as this years crop.  
redwhiteandbigblue : 11/29/2023 10:13 am : link
So we get a top 6 pick this year in a year that has one of the better QB crops in years. Next year we get a softer schedule and thus a better record. Jones doesn't wow us or gets nicked somehow and now we get the #15 pick or worse in a year where talent at the qb is meh. Next step: QB hell. We will have a relatively high pick this year. Get a top 3 QB. Just because we get a qb in the 1st round does not mean we can't improve our OL in later rounds and free agency.
If we don’t get a QB this year  
colin : 11/29/2023 10:14 am : link
Just hold out for Arch. What’s 2-3 more years of being ass in the grand scheme of things?
they've said  
bc4life : 11/29/2023 10:28 am : link
they're adding one. so, I don't see a FA that looks appealing.

Still, many #1 QBs fail to deliver
It’s not very good  
The_Boss : 11/29/2023 10:28 am : link
A good GM will know this heading into the 2024 draft.
Carson Beck is promising  
Anakim : 11/29/2023 10:30 am : link
Drew Allar physically looks the part, but that Ohio State game was such a stinker.

Shedeur Sanders...eh.
If all of the following stay in school for the 2024 season  
Mark in ATL : 11/29/2023 11:06 am : link
The 2025 draft for QB’s will be better than 2024. Sanders (Colorado), Beck (Georgia), Ewers (Texas), Leonard (Duke), Milroe (Alabama), and maybe Pratt (Tulane).
RE: If all of the following stay in school for the 2024 season  
The_Boss : 11/29/2023 11:21 am : link
In comment 16307225 Mark in ATL said:
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The 2025 draft for QB’s will be better than 2024. Sanders (Colorado), Beck (Georgia), Ewers (Texas), Leonard (Duke), Milroe (Alabama), and maybe Pratt (Tulane).


I cannot disagree more. That’s a weak class.
I didn’t list McCarthy of Michigan  
Mark in ATL : 11/29/2023 11:32 am : link
Who could also return to school for another year. McCarthy, Beck, Ewers, and Milroe will all be playing Saturday against good competition. Nix and Penix play against each other Friday night.
RE: If all of the following stay in school for the 2024 season  
Mike in NY : 11/29/2023 11:35 am : link
In comment 16307225 Mark in ATL said:
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The 2025 draft for QB’s will be better than 2024. Sanders (Colorado), Beck (Georgia), Ewers (Texas), Leonard (Duke), Milroe (Alabama), and maybe Pratt (Tulane).


Cameron Ward supposedly has multiple 7 figure NIL deals so he may transfer somewhere with PAC-12 being decimated and be in 2025 Draft.
I wouldn't sleep on  
barens : 11/29/2023 12:13 pm : link
Kyle McCord. I remember when Joe Burrow had a below average junior year, and then just caught fire his senior year.
It tough to say  
lax counsel : 11/29/2023 12:20 pm : link
While it appears the 2024 draft has multiple qbs with high end talent, you never know who emerges in 2025. I think about 2017 and that was supposed to be weak. Yet it produced the best qb in the NFL. 2018 was supposed to produce multiple top NFL qbs, and really only Allen fits that bill.

It's rare to have a 1983, 2004, 2020 type qb draft where you get 3 pro bowlers in the top 10. 2021 was the same way, after Lawerence the other two are epic busts.

It doesn't mean you wait for a Manning or Luck to come along, just that you don't know who emerges (Burrow and Mahomes).
it is a shit class  
ElitoCanton : 11/29/2023 12:51 pm : link
compared to this year.
This draft  
Amtoft : 11/29/2023 1:10 pm : link
will be loaded with QBs.... We will take one at some point.
RE: Carson Beck is promising  
Eman11 : 11/29/2023 1:14 pm : link
In comment 16307146 Anakim said:
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Drew Allar physically looks the part, but that Ohio State game was such a stinker.

Shedeur Sanders...eh.


If Milroe continues on his upward trajectory, he could very well be the best of the bunch. He’s come a long way this year from being benched to strapping it up get the job back. He’s got an arm and a half, is big, can run and is getting better and better at seeing the field. Has an occasional head scratching play but they’re getting less and less frequent and I think with more playing time he’ll improve greatly there.

From all accounts a very hard worker and student of the game. I’m really interested to see if he continues to raise his game. If he does, he could very well be the #1 QB coming out after next season. I like him a lot.m
Allar  
ElitoCanton : 11/29/2023 1:36 pm : link
looks like crap. How is anyone high on this guy.
RE: Nowhere near as good as this years crop.  
Jim in NH : 11/29/2023 2:18 pm : link
In comment 16307117 redwhiteandbigblue said:
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So we get a top 6 pick this year in a year that has one of the better QB crops in years. Next year we get a softer schedule and thus a better record. Jones doesn't wow us or gets nicked somehow and now we get the #15 pick or worse in a year where talent at the qb is meh. Next step: QB hell. We will have a relatively high pick this year. Get a top 3 QB. Just because we get a qb in the 1st round does not mean we can't improve our OL in later rounds and free agency.


Top 3 QBs 2018

Baker Mayfield
Sam Darnold
Josh Allen

No guarantees
Agree no guarantees  
redwhiteandbigblue : 11/29/2023 2:46 pm : link
But i think this years clas is at least as good as 2018 or better.You also forgot Rosen.
QB  
stretch234 : 11/29/2023 5:41 pm : link
The notion here is you have to be drafting at the top to get the QB, even though that has proven to be wrong so many times

2011 - C. Newton, J. Locker, B. Gabbert, C. Ponder
2012 - Luck, Griffin, Tannehill, Weeden
2013 - Manuel
2014 - Bortles, Manziel, Bridgewater
2015 - Winston, Mariotta
2016 - Goff, Wentz, Lynch
2017 - Trubisky, Mahomes, Watson
2018 - Mayfield, Darnold, Allen, Rosen, Jackson
2019 - Murray, Jones, Haskins
2020 - Burrow, Tua, Herbert, Love
2021 - Lawrence, Wilson, Lance, Fields, Jones
2022 - Pickett

38 1st RD QBs from 2011-2022

Merely saying we need a QB and actually identifying a guy who may be able to succeed are more difficult than many think

RE: Agree no guarantees  
Amtoft : 11/29/2023 5:50 pm : link
In comment 16307596 redwhiteandbigblue said:
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But i think this years clas is at least as good as 2018 or better.You also forgot Rosen.


If everyone comes out it will be deeper, I think. QB play in the NCAA feels like it is at an all-time high.
Cannot be afraid to fail  
JonC : 11/29/2023 5:52 pm : link
especially given the current options.
RE: Agree no guarantees  
Jim in NH : 11/29/2023 10:59 pm : link
In comment 16307596 redwhiteandbigblue said:
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But i think this years clas is at least as good as 2018 or better.You also forgot Rosen.


I didn't forget Rosen. The original poster said we had to get a top 3 QB.

I remember the hysteria when we didn't take Darnold. I remember the BBI people who said if we didn't get Mayfield it would be a disaster. Same goes for Rosen.
I like Allar!!, He looks like a Giants QB already  
Rich_Houston_1971 : 11/30/2023 10:10 am : link
imo
RE: I like Allar!!, He looks like a Giants QB already  
Anakim : 11/30/2023 2:55 pm : link
In comment 16308409 Rich_Houston_1971 said:
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imo


LOL. Right on cue:

Allar
ElitoCanton : 11/29/2023 1:36 pm : link : reply
looks like crap. How is anyone high on this guy.
With UFA occurring before the draft  
JonC : 11/30/2023 2:58 pm : link
I wouldn't be surprised if they signed one. They need a hedge vs Jones' availability to start the season, and also the risk and cap implications for '24 and beyond if Jones gets injured in '24.
Eg, sign UFA QB or Tyrod  
JonC : 11/30/2023 3:01 pm : link
and draft one early.
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