Pick any QB you want. Pick the best QB in NFL history if you want, and tell me what our record would be if we had him at the beginning of this season, instead of Jones.
My guess is that he'd be on IR by now.
IMHO, getting a "franchise QB" should not be our first priority in the next draft.
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you put Montana back there, where he was using the short passing game and getting rid of the ball quickly, the offense would be light years better.
When he finished up in KC, their OL was at best, mediocre. He was still VERY productive.
A lot of the putrid offense is on Jones.
Top notch QBs can make their OLs look a LOT better. Its happened for decades.
First it was better now it’s a lot better. Of course when you have Jerry Rice things are easier.
Exaclty. The Anti Jones crowd never acknowledges that Jones played these games without Thomas and Barkley. Add that to Kafka's terrible season calling plays, and there you have it. News flash-the guys they had backing up Thomas and Barley stink. Matt Brieda and Ezeudu are practice squad level players. How convienent this is forgotten.
The Jones stuff is strange. I never see anyone factor in that both AT and SB were out for three of the games he played.
Just getting SB back was a huge factor. Against Buffalo the RB's ran 27 times for 110 yards. They were 34 runs to 26 passes heading into the last drive. Three prior games.
SF: 9c/22y No SB/AT Tynes said worst performance in 30 yrs.
Seattle: 18c/38y No SB/AT
Miami: 22c/46y No SB/AT
Schoen actually mentioned this a bit yesterday.
You get your franchise QB when the opportunity presents itself, not when the OL is fixed.
Sean, using the Colts as an example is not the best idea. Where s Andrew Luck, he got beaten into an early retirement.
But I agree, if you need a quarterback, you strike while he iron is hot.
But keep in mind, First round quarterbacks, even top 10 is about a 50% hit rate
If Giants pick out of top 5, from what I ve been hearing on some podcasts the league does not have Daniel’s, Penni’s, or Nix as high first round picks
Reaching for a quarterback is probably not going to happen, Schoen is too smart for that
Players bust at the top of the draft at all positions. No pick is safer than another. The idea is that talented QB go early, so if you need one and you are picking early, you have to take one if need matches availability.
Sounds like you need to find better podcasts. Barring a catastrophic injury (or some other unforeseen development that tanks his value), Jayden Daniels will be a top-10 pick, book it. He may be in consideration for 1.1.
Haha nice.
Although I think with Kenneth Dorsey, he'd have a telepathetic connection to Daboll.
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would have this team in a wild card spot. His line was atrocious that year also and he had the best season of his career. Also the Giants had the worst running game and one of the worst defenses that season.
Fans forget all of this.
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QB when he had a running game and the OL matched up with the defensive front. He struggled with pressure. You needed a 2007-08 Giants OL to deal with that Ravens team. Then a big game HC/QB like Eli and TC.
The Jones stuff is strange. I never see anyone factor in that both AT and SB were out for three of the games he played.
Just getting SB back was a huge factor. Against Buffalo the RB's ran 27 times for 110 yards. They were 34 runs to 26 passes heading into the last drive. Three prior games.
SF: 9c/22y No SB/AT Tynes said worst performance in 30 yrs.
Seattle: 18c/38y No SB/AT
Miami: 22c/46y No SB/AT
Schoen actually mentioned this a bit yesterday.
Exaclty. The Anti Jones crowd never acknowledges that Jones played these games without Thomas and Barkley. Add that to Kafka's terrible season calling plays, and there you have it. News flash-the guys they had backing up Thomas and Barley stink. Matt Brieda and Ezeudu are practice squad level players. How convienent this is forgotten.
No explain his poor play for the other games across 5 seasons and his college career.
It's never his fault, he just needs more help and better coaching right? What other young QB has to deal with injuries and non perfect situations!!!
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In comment 16307170 Jay on the Island said:
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would have this team in a wild card spot. His line was atrocious that year also and he had the best season of his career. Also the Giants had the worst running game and one of the worst defenses that season.
Fans forget all of this.
Too many are remembering the last few years of Eli, which saw, perhaps, the worst OLs he'd played behind and an aging body. But, Eli in his prime would have this team in playoff contention. I firmly believe that.
Not with the OL as it was in the first few games. No way.
Jones dropped back 26 times and was sacked 6 times. %=23%.
Taylor dropped back 13 times and was sacked 1 time. %= 8%.
Same game. Taylor if anything was at a disadvantage, because he was playing from way behind so the Dolphins could just pass rush.
Jones is a victim of circumstances my ass. He’s a big part of the problem.
But i do not agree with you on the basic premise
Having a very good QB solves a lot of issues that are manifested in the surrounding talent. A very good QB brings out the best in the talent around him. Jones has just not done that this year, and other QBs of presumed lesser talent have. thats pretty damming.
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In comment 16307191 Eric from BBI said:
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In comment 16307170 Jay on the Island said:
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would have this team in a wild card spot. His line was atrocious that year also and he had the best season of his career. Also the Giants had the worst running game and one of the worst defenses that season.
Fans forget all of this.
Too many are remembering the last few years of Eli, which saw, perhaps, the worst OLs he'd played behind and an aging body. But, Eli in his prime would have this team in playoff contention. I firmly believe that.
Not with the OL as it was in the first few games. No way.
The Giants don't fall behind 20-0 in Arizona with 76 yards of offense in the first half - so there's no need to rally.
At minimum, they also win the SEA/BUF/NYJ games.
That puts them at 7-5.
Sorry, but I don't think any QB would have made a difference in the Seattle game with the offensive line the Giants had on the field.
Got drafted on the strength of a 16TD, 9INT Senior year.
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The Giants don't fall behind 20-0 in Arizona with 76 yards of offense in the first half - so there's no need to rally.
At minimum, they also win the SEA/BUF/NYJ games.
That puts them at 7-5.
Sorry, but I don't think any QB would have made a difference in the Seattle game with the offensive line the Giants had on the field.
Devon Witherspoon didn't give the scathing critique about "any QB." It wasn't "we know that any QB likes to stare down their primary read."
You guys need better material - the shit your hero gives you to work with makes you sound like sycophantic idiots.
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With a better/great QB:
The Giants don't fall behind 20-0 in Arizona with 76 yards of offense in the first half - so there's no need to rally.
At minimum, they also win the SEA/BUF/NYJ games.
That puts them at 7-5.
Sorry, but I don't think any QB would have made a difference in the Seattle game with the offensive line the Giants had on the field. [/quote
I’m sorry you haven’t watched enough NFL, past or present, to know what actual good QB play looks like even under pressure. Recognizing a telegraphed corner blitz and hitting a hot receiver instead of fumbling, then not throwing a pick-6, at minimum, would have put the Giants in good position to win that game.
You people deserve to have Jones forever. The problem is that punishes everyone.
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In comment 16307160 Dave on the UWS said:
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you put Montana back there, where he was using the short passing game and getting rid of the ball quickly, the offense would be light years better.
When he finished up in KC, their OL was at best, mediocre. He was still VERY productive.
A lot of the putrid offense is on Jones.
Top notch QBs can make their OLs look a LOT better. Its happened for decades.
First it was better now it’s a lot better. Of course when you have Jerry Rice things are easier.
Exaclty. The Anti Jones crowd never acknowledges that Jones played these games without Thomas and Barkley. Add that to Kafka's terrible season calling plays, and there you have it. News flash-the guys they had backing up Thomas and Barley stink. Matt Brieda and Ezeudu are practice squad level players. How convienent this is forgotten.
It's not forgotten. It's just appropriately diminished.