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ajr2456 : 11/29/2023 11:56 am
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RE: RE: RE: Only one I can think of is Cano  
Matt M. : 12/3/2023 4:57 pm : link
In comment 16311540 GeofromNJ said:
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And I don’t think they really wanted him back



I think they wanted him back, but not for the absurd contract he got from Seattle.

And I was fine with that....until they then blew $150 million on Ellsbury.


I would have given Cano a 10-year contract. With him, they win maybe two WS's. Without him, none. Who cares that he'll get old, useless and still cost money. These are inflationary times.
I thought the Yankees handled him just fine and looking back it seems correct. His 5 years in Seattle he was not as good as his time in NY and the 5 years after that he fell off a cliff, including a suspension.
For Soto, there are no pitchers I would feel strongly enough  
Matt M. : 12/3/2023 5:00 pm : link
about not losing and Dominguez is really the only position player I don't want to lose. If they have to include Volpe or Peraza, fine. Pereira? Fine.
RE: For Soto, there are no pitchers I would feel strongly enough  
section125 : 12/3/2023 5:22 pm : link
In comment 16312148 Matt M. said:
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about not losing and Dominguez is really the only position player I don't want to lose. If they have to include Volpe or Peraza, fine. Pereira? Fine.


You are probably right about the pitchers. If Volpe has to go, they have Peraza to step in at SS.
The Padres want cost-controlled starting pitching.  
PetesHereNow : 12/3/2023 5:24 pm : link
They are loaded with IF depth in the minors. They’re not getting Volpe from the Yanks and I doubt they care about Peraza.
RE: The Padres want cost-controlled starting pitching.  
Strahan91 : 12/3/2023 5:29 pm : link
In comment 16312184 PetesHereNow said:
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They are loaded with IF depth in the minors. They’re not getting Volpe from the Yanks and I doubt they care about Peraza.

Yep, this appears to be coming down to which pitchers and how many of them. At least for now, SD seems to want all of them.
RE: RE: Dominguez hasn't exactly lit it up since his arrival...  
Milton : 12/3/2023 5:36 pm : link
In comment 16309395 TheMick7 said:
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You mean 4 HRs in only 8 games doesn't light it up for you. Watch games,don't read lists. I've watched JD play over the last 2 years for Somerset & SWB (milb.com) & the kid is special. A switch hitting,power laden,great defensive CF with excellent speed.....sounds like how Mantle was described.You don't trade a kid like that for a rental.
I didn't just fall off the turnip truck, I've been following Dominguez since they first signed him. I know all about his special skillset, but he has been at best streaky on his way up the minor league ladder.

I'm not a scout and neither are you. I don't think going to games at Somerset makes you more informed or better able to evaluate him than the guys who put together the lists for Baseball America or MLB.com. They're certainly more informed than I am and given their current opinion, I don't think he should stand in the way of landing Soto (who I don't view as a one-year rental because I think trading for him makes it far more likely than not that he signs a longterm deal at some point).
RE: RE: RE: Dominguez hasn't exactly lit it up since his arrival...  
section125 : 12/3/2023 6:16 pm : link
In comment 16312195 Milton said:
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You mean 4 HRs in only 8 games doesn't light it up for you. Watch games,don't read lists. I've watched JD play over the last 2 years for Somerset & SWB (milb.com) & the kid is special. A switch hitting,power laden,great defensive CF with excellent speed.....sounds like how Mantle was described.You don't trade a kid like that for a rental.

I didn't just fall off the turnip truck, I've been following Dominguez since they first signed him. I know all about his special skillset, but he has been at best streaky on his way up the minor league ladder.

I'm not a scout and neither are you. I don't think going to games at Somerset makes you more informed or better able to evaluate him than the guys who put together the lists for Baseball America or MLB.com. They're certainly more informed than I am and given their current opinion, I don't think he should stand in the way of landing Soto (who I don't view as a one-year rental because I think trading for him makes it far more likely than not that he signs a longterm deal at some point).


He was playing over his age group at every level and he started to turn it on in AA. I would not deal him without more back from San Diego. Soto is gone next year. They will get a decent deal but they are not entitled to fleece the Yanks.
Jasson Dominguez, Anthony Volpe, Gleyber Torres,  
shyster : 12/3/2023 6:28 pm : link
Austin Wells and Everson Pereira . . .

are not involved in Juan Soto trade talks, per Andy Martino.
Most teams have to overpay for big-time players that  
CooperDash : 12/3/2023 6:46 pm : link
they want in trades. But the Padres aren’t “entitled to fleece the Yankees”. Lol. The Padres should be content with “a decent deal”.

Haha, peak entitled Yankee fan shit there.
RE: Most teams have to overpay for big-time players that  
section125 : 12/3/2023 6:58 pm : link
In comment 16312343 CooperDash said:
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they want in trades. But the Padres aren’t “entitled to fleece the Yankees”. Lol. The Padres should be content with “a decent deal”.

Haha, peak entitled Yankee fan shit there.


Mets Fan?
It is not entitled. You don't get fleeced by a team that knows it is going to lose a player in FA next year. Padres should look for their best deal, but you do not overpay.
RE: RE: Most teams have to overpay for big-time players that  
PetesHereNow : 12/3/2023 7:06 pm : link
In comment 16312366 section125 said:
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they want in trades. But the Padres aren’t “entitled to fleece the Yankees”. Lol. The Padres should be content with “a decent deal”.

Haha, peak entitled Yankee fan shit there.



Mets Fan?
It is not entitled. You don't get fleeced by a team that knows it is going to lose a player in FA next year. Padres should look for their best deal, but you do not overpay.


Especially when the Padres are so broke that they had to take loans to make payroll.
BA’s top 10 for Yankees supposed to drop today.  
Jim in Hoboken : 12/4/2023 10:34 am : link
Looks like the Martian is back at #1, and rated to be the fastest runner, best power and best arm. Hampton has the best FB and curve. They have both Jones and Peraza in the projected 2027 lineup. Arias looks to be highly rated now too.

Don’t have the actual list tho.
RE: BA’s top 10 for Yankees supposed to drop today.  
Strahan91 : 12/4/2023 10:48 am : link
In comment 16312990 Jim in Hoboken said:
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Looks like the Martian is back at #1, and rated to be the fastest runner, best power and best arm. Hampton has the best FB and curve. They have both Jones and Peraza in the projected 2027 lineup. Arias looks to be highly rated now too.

Don’t have the actual list tho.

Full list is:
1. Jasson
2. Spencer Jones
3. Pereira
4. Hampton
5. Arias
6. Wells
7. Thorpe
8. Lalane
9. Lombard
10. Warren
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Strahan91 : 12/4/2023 10:49 am : link
Brandon Wile
@Brandon_N_Wile
Shi on the Blue Jays and Juan Soto

"The sense that I've gotten, unless that price changes from San Diego's current demands, I'm not sure the Blue Jays are involved. But everything in this market (is) very fluid, things can change very quickly."

We'll see what happens but the leaks about Toronto reek of SD trying to put pressure on the Yankees after the Yankees leaked their ask for Soto.
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Also this from Feinsand  
Strahan91 : 12/4/2023 10:53 am : link
on Soto:
"Other clubs -- including the Blue Jays -- remain engaged on Soto, as well, but if he’s going to be traded this week, it’s starting to feel like it’s the Yankees or bust."

On Yamamoto:
"The Yankees, Mets, Red Sox, Giants and Dodgers are among the teams believed to be targeting Yamamoto, though most people inside the industry believe it could very well come down to an old-fashioned bidding war between the two New York clubs."
Surprised Hampton is still ahead of Thorpe. And  
Jim in Hoboken : 12/4/2023 11:08 am : link
Pereira still ranked high.

Also Warren still top 10.

I usually like MLB.com’s list more.
RE: Surprised Hampton is still ahead of Thorpe. And  
BigBlueShock : 12/4/2023 12:11 pm : link
In comment 16313058 Jim in Hoboken said:
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Pereira still ranked high.

Also Warren still top 10.

I usually like MLB.com’s list more.

Yeah BA is definitely the outlier when it comes to Thorpe for sure. You’ll see him higher in most rankings
Watching the hot show on Yes right now.  
Strahan91 : 12/4/2023 7:11 pm : link
Curry usually has the best read on what's going on with the Yankees. Some things he's said so far:

- The Yankees know getting Soto is a move they have to make
- Preller and Cashman have a good relationship and the two sides will "make their way back to each other"
- Reiterated the Padres asked for 7 players and for the Yankees to take on additional salary beyond Soto. Did say he thinks the Yankees are willing to pay a price that "will hurt" but not 7 players
- Yankees will try very hard to hang onto King and see if they can get a deal done without him (didn't say King was untouchable though)
- Yankees feel that there are few teams willing to take on Soto's salary + give up what it'll take to get Soto
- On Yamamoto, the Yankees really want him and feel good about their chances. "When was the last time Brian Cashman flew to Japan to see a player?" Also mentioned Matsui will help recruit him
- They really want to land both Soto and Yamamoto

Pretty surprising to me how confident he seems about Soto. Not sure I've ever heard him talk more passionately about the Yankees needing a player (Soto) before a deal was done. Usually the Yankees use him to temper expectations, so I think we can assume they're confident about getting Soto and to a lesser extent, Yamamoto.
Read through some of Josh Norris' chat this afternoon, so.....  
Jim in Hoboken : 12/4/2023 8:02 pm : link
he watched 1.5 games of Hudson Valley only this year. Anyone after Dominguez was a toss-up. This may explain the peculiar ranking.

And Hampton and Thorpe's profiles were reversed, so Thorpe is 4 and Hampton 7.

Really high a LaLane. La Grange is his righty counterpart, a Betances 2.0. Not as high on John Cruz.

He thinks they have a top 10 system, but no superstars.
Get it done(both)  
section125 : 12/4/2023 8:29 pm : link
early and then get some other pieces. But...I will not hold my breath.
When  
mitch300 : 12/4/2023 9:11 pm : link
All the drama with Cashman and Stanton’s agent was going on, I said the Yankees will have Matsui talk to Yamamoto to sooth things over. I wouldn’t be surprised not to hear from Tanaka also.
RE: When  
section125 : 12/5/2023 7:08 am : link
In comment 16313606 mitch300 said:
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All the drama with Cashman and Stanton’s agent was going on, I said the Yankees will have Matsui talk to Yamamoto to sooth things over. I wouldn’t be surprised not to hear from Tanaka also.


In the end, money talks and the bullshit walks.
The Yanks need to pull a Tampa Rays, keep the legit prospects and  
Jim in Hoboken : 12/5/2023 9:13 am : link
trade aways the pretenders before they are exposed.

Everyone will keep King over Schmidt. Neither Brito and Vazquez would be a big loss. I’d try to trade Fitts, Beeter, and Warren too.

They have to pick the right one to keep between Pereira/Jones, Thorpe/Hampton. Cashman and co haven’t been good at that. Not counting the low A lottery tickets, system is strong in SP and INF, no need to keep them all.

In retrospect, they probably should have dealt Peraza, although we don’t know what Seattle was asking.
welp, we'll soon find out if they're right or just bullshitting  
Greg from LI : 12/5/2023 10:03 am : link
Fireside Yankees
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Bob Klapisch heard this from an AL Executive yesterday:

“The Yankees are telling people they’re ahead of the pack on (Yoshinobu) Yamamoto. Like, way ahead.”
Not sure what to make of this but according to Bob Klapisch,  
Strahan91 : 12/5/2023 10:03 am : link
he spoke to an AL executive yesterday who told him “The Yankees are telling people they’re ahead of the pack on (Yoshinobu) Yamamoto. Like, way ahead.”

Why so slow?  
Greg from LI : 12/5/2023 10:13 am : link
😁
I'm encouraged by the Jack Curry comments  
bigbluehoya : 12/5/2023 10:24 am : link
he tends not to speak out of his ass on these things.

Get it done.
Damn Greg, you’re good.  
Strahan91 : 12/5/2023 10:26 am : link
Re: Yamamoto, I hadn’t really expected the Yanks to wind up with him. I figured that he’d either want to be on the west coast or they’d get outbid by the Mets (or Dodgers if they miss on Ohtani). Still might be the case, but I’m starting to think the Yanks might have intel that he wants to play for them. Especially with multiple reports now saying he wants the spotlight and is intrigued by the history and prestige of the Yanks
RE: I'm encouraged by the Jack Curry comments  
Mike from SI : 12/5/2023 10:28 am : link
In comment 16313883 bigbluehoya said:
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he tends not to speak out of his ass on these things.

Get it done.


Some people think he gets his information directly from the front office and is their unofficial press secretary, fwiw.
#YamaSoto  
bceagle05 : 12/5/2023 10:59 am : link
Git’er done.
RE: For Soto, there are no pitchers I would feel strongly enough  
djm : 12/5/2023 11:29 am : link
In comment 16312148 Matt M. said:
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about not losing and Dominguez is really the only position player I don't want to lose. If they have to include Volpe or Peraza, fine. Pereira? Fine.


Pretty much same here --I would probably try and hold Volpe but I didn't see enough from him last year to believe he's a good or great player in the making. To me he's average across the board but I get that he's very young and only played one year.
If you don't re-sign Soto  
Carson53 : 12/5/2023 11:50 am : link
then how are Yankee fans going to feel about a rental, just asking? I don't see the Yanks as one player away, they won a grand total of 82 games last year. To me, it depends on who they have to give up. Keep in mind,
the Padres got 2 1/2 years of team control (counting 2024), when trading for Soto.
That's a big difference than one year...
The owner died, apparently their TV deal they had ended too?
I guess that is a reason for them to move payroll.
RE: If you don't re-sign Soto  
Strahan91 : 12/5/2023 12:00 pm : link
In comment 16313945 Carson53 said:
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then how are Yankee fans going to feel about a rental, just asking? I don't see the Yanks as one player away, they won a grand total of 82 games last year. To me, it depends on who they have to give up. Keep in mind,
the Padres got 2 1/2 years of team control (counting 2024), when trading for Soto.
That's a big difference than one year...
The owner died, apparently their TV deal they had ended too?
I guess that is a reason for them to move payroll.

They're not trading any top prospects that will meaningfully impact the team's future. The Padres gave up a whole lot more than what he'll cost the Yankees, even if they were to acquiesce to the Padres initial demands
I’m glad they’re at least trying to hold the line on King.  
bceagle05 : 12/5/2023 12:01 pm : link
His audition as a starting pitcher last season was eye-opening. Boston College man too, so I’m biased 🤷🏻‍♂️
they aren't trading Volpe  
bigbluehoya : 12/5/2023 12:03 pm : link
They still think he's the goods. (I happen to agree)

He was 20/20 as a 22 year old and won a gold glove. Even if the gold glove award is a rather debatable, he played well defensively.

He was a 2 WAR player and numbers would suggest he was a little unlucky if anything.

He can and should cut his strikeout rate from 28% and increase his walk rate from 9%, potentially substantially on both, as he gains experience.

Volpe is going to be a really good player.
obviously you hope they re-sign him  
wigs in nyc : 12/5/2023 12:04 pm : link
but this year counts, too - a year of the Prime Judge and Prime Cole windows.
It has been reported that Volpe is not part of the discussions.  
Mike from SI : 12/5/2023 12:11 pm : link
Neither is the Martian or Peraza. (Btw, Padres are stacked with middle infield prospects so this is not surprising on Volpe/Peraza. They need MLB ready pitching to continue to compete for the Wild Card, which is why they're insisting on King.)
I really don't think the Yankees pull the trigger on Soto  
Greg from LI : 12/5/2023 12:13 pm : link
without being committed to doing what it takes to re-sign him.

They only won 82 games, yes, but with pretty much everything going sideways for them aside from Cole. They do need to do more to improve the lineup than just Soto, yes, but sometimes people talk about them as if they're a baseball version of the Giants, and that's not the case.
RE: I really don't think the Yankees pull the trigger on Soto  
bceagle05 : 12/5/2023 12:37 pm : link
In comment 16313968 Greg from LI said:
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They only won 82 games, yes, but with pretty much everything going sideways for them aside from Cole. They do need to do more to improve the lineup than just Soto, yes, but sometimes people talk about them as if they're a baseball version of the Giants, and that's not the case.

Couldn’t agree more. Soto (hopefully), Gleyber and Rizzo will all be extra motivated in contract years, and are good players to begin with. Judge is Judge, and will likely have better injury luck this season. Trevino/Wells is a solid catcher combo. Volpe won’t be overmatched for half the year like he was as a rook. Hold your breath for DJ, a healthy Martian at some point, and obviously Stanton. I think the Yankees will be a contender next season, and said that on game threads during the depths of last season.
Exactly Greg the over the top destroying of the Yankees in here  
Stu11 : 12/5/2023 12:38 pm : link
Is crazy at times. Yes the offense sucked last year, but they're looking to improve it. They can't have worse pitching luck this year. Also I agree when have the Yanks wanted to keep their own and were unsuccessful outside of maybe Cano? It's worth the risk. The "we're not one player away" argument is so overused around here for all sports. No team is ever one player away. You always look to improve. More often than not prospects disappoint.
People fall for it every year on cue.  
Dave in Hoboken : 12/5/2023 12:42 pm : link
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RE: I really don't think the Yankees pull the trigger on Soto  
section125 : 12/5/2023 1:59 pm : link
In comment 16313968 Greg from LI said:
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without being committed to doing what it takes to re-sign him.

They only won 82 games, yes, but with pretty much everything going sideways for them aside from Cole. They do need to do more to improve the lineup than just Soto, yes, but sometimes people talk about them as if they're a baseball version of the Giants, and that's not the case.


Frankly they would be idiots to trade 5-7 players for Soto anad not be committed to resigning him.

Not that being idiots id foreign to them....
.  
bceagle05 : 12/5/2023 4:13 pm : link
@ChrisCotillo
Alex Cora: "I called Aaron Boone yesterday, FaceTimed him, and he gave me this kinda-like smile, this look. He was very happy. So something big might happen over there."
Bryan Hoch also astutely noted  
bceagle05 : 12/5/2023 4:25 pm : link
how strange it is that both Boone and Cashman in the last 24 have openly talked about Soto, a player under contract with another team.
RE: Bryan Hoch also astutely noted  
section125 : 12/5/2023 4:42 pm : link
In comment 16314304 bceagle05 said:
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how strange it is that both Boone and Cashman in the last 24 have openly talked about Soto, a player under contract with another team.


And? It is openly talked about in the press and I and sure SD is talking too.
Team personnel tend to tap dance around tampering  
bceagle05 : 12/5/2023 4:46 pm : link
in a way fans and media don’t have to. Soto’s not a FA. Just strikes me as uberconfidence that he’s on the way, which works for me.
RE: Team personnel tend to tap dance around tampering  
Strahan91 : 12/5/2023 6:44 pm : link
In comment 16314330 bceagle05 said:
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in a way fans and media don’t have to. Soto’s not a FA. Just strikes me as uberconfidence that he’s on the way, which works for me.

Pretty out of character for Cashman to do that. Makes him look bad if they don't wind up getting him.
Well this was unexpected  
Strahan91 : 12/5/2023 9:09 pm : link

Jeff Passan
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BREAKING: The New York Yankees are acquiring outfielder Alex Verdugo in a trade with the Boston Red Sox for right-handeres Richard Fitts, Greg Weissert and Nicholas Judice, sources familiar with the deal tell ESPN.
Didn’t give up much  
bigbluehoya : 12/5/2023 9:20 pm : link
But I can’t stand this fucking guy.
RE: RE: Team personnel tend to tap dance around tampering  
section125 : 12/5/2023 11:34 pm : link
In comment 16314429 Strahan91 said:
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in a way fans and media don’t have to. Soto’s not a FA. Just strikes me as uberconfidence that he’s on the way, which works for me.


Pretty out of character for Cashman to do that. Makes him look bad if they don't wind up getting him.


Maybe Cashman is floating trial balloons...
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