I wanted the Yanks to sign Harper badly. I haven't wanted them to make a move this much since then.
I thought I saw Boras say Soto won't sign until free agency, but I can be wrong
Saw the same, unless Cashman is going to meet Boras contract request, Soto is hitting FA in a year where Mets and whoever loses out on Ohtani will be waiting as well.
Risky but if prospect ask isn’t unreasonable, Yanks are a win now team and Cashman is under lot of fire.
obviously he's a fantastic hitter, but the combination of such poor contact hitting recently (.259 BA last 2 years) + being a terrible fielder already at age 24 makes me extremely wary of investing in him long-term.
RE: RE: RE: if they can trade for and then sign Soto
Saw the same, unless Cashman is going to meet Boras contract request, Soto is hitting FA in a year where Mets and whoever loses out on Ohtani will be waiting as well.
Risky but if prospect ask isn’t unreasonable, Yanks are a win now team and Cashman is under lot of fire.
When was the last time the Yankees wanted to retain one of their big FA's and missed out? I'm confident if they pay the cost it'll take to get him that they'll keep him even if it's not an immediate extension. An offseason headlined by Soto and Yamamoto would be a home run and they appear to be the favorites for both of them as of now, which means they'll likely get neither and probably strike out on Bellinger as well.
obviously he's a fantastic hitter, but the combination of such poor contact hitting recently (.259 BA last 2 years) + being a terrible fielder already at age 24 makes me extremely wary of investing in him long-term.
8th in OPS last year, an OBP equivalent to Freeman and Diaz who both hit 330. All of the advanced stats are nearly equal to his career averages, including his 2021 season where be put up monster numbers. There's nothing to suggest he's not the same player he's always been.
He’s a .275 hitter hitting 30+ homers while walking more than he strikes out. I don’t think there’s anything to concerned about. I think we’ll see a bump in the average and power numbers in Yankee stadium as well.
is a perfect fit for every team IMO. It's not often players at his age become available. He's not a great fielder but he's not a ridiculously bad circus out there either.
Have any names leaked who have been shared? I can't click the link.
is a perfect fit for every team IMO. It's not often players at his age become available. He's not a great fielder but he's not a ridiculously bad circus out there either.
Have any names leaked who have been shared? I can't click the link.
All it says is that they’re interested in Dominguez, Volpe, King, Thorpe but not that those names have been offered by the Yankees
is a perfect fit for every team IMO. It's not often players at his age become available. He's not a great fielder but he's not a ridiculously bad circus out there either.
Have any names leaked who have been shared? I can't click the link.
Agreed.
Re: names, all he said was:
"While the exact names are not known, the Padres are said to be looking at top prospects/rookies like Jasson Dominguez and Anthony Volpe, young major league pitchers in the Michael King/Clarke Schmidt category, and more. That is standard behavior at the beginning of trade talks for a superstar player. It was also standard behavior for the Yankees to say no, but want to keep talking."
My guess is if a deal gets done it'll be headlined by Spencer Jones and either King or Schmidt.
His history is that he hits to all fields and would lose homers in Death Valley. He could perhaps adjust to the porch, but that's an unknown. statcast - ( New Window )
RE: RE: RE: RE: if they can trade for and then sign Soto
Saw the same, unless Cashman is going to meet Boras contract request, Soto is hitting FA in a year where Mets and whoever loses out on Ohtani will be waiting as well.
Risky but if prospect ask isn’t unreasonable, Yanks are a win now team and Cashman is under lot of fire.
When was the last time the Yankees wanted to retain one of their big FA's and missed out? I'm confident if they pay the cost it'll take to get him that they'll keep him even if it's not an immediate extension. An offseason headlined by Soto and Yamamoto would be a home run and they appear to be the favorites for both of them as of now, which means they'll likely get neither and probably strike out on Bellinger as well.
Outside of Judge who is that in the last 15 years? He’s not one of their “own” FAs in sense it’s one year audition. The Boras factor is also huge. Mets will make a huge bid if he hits FA.
I assume Dominguez would be headed west in any deal
Saw the same, unless Cashman is going to meet Boras contract request, Soto is hitting FA in a year where Mets and whoever loses out on Ohtani will be waiting as well.
Risky but if prospect ask isn’t unreasonable, Yanks are a win now team and Cashman is under lot of fire.
When was the last time the Yankees wanted to retain one of their big FA's and missed out? I'm confident if they pay the cost it'll take to get him that they'll keep him even if it's not an immediate extension. An offseason headlined by Soto and Yamamoto would be a home run and they appear to be the favorites for both of them as of now, which means they'll likely get neither and probably strike out on Bellinger as well.
Outside of Judge who is that in the last 15 years? He’s not one of their “own” FAs in sense it’s one year audition. The Boras factor is also huge. Mets will make a huge bid if he hits FA.
The point is you get him in the building, there is a certain cachet that goes with playing for the Yankees and putting on the pinstripes. They haven't failed to resign any rentals they wanted to keep either with Rizzo being the most recent example.
RE: I assume Dominguez would be headed west in any deal
that they really won't entertain a new contract discussion until free agency, I really don't see a team offering a Dominguez-level prospect in a Soto package. Especially with the widely-known financial pressures that SD is facing.
Most of what I have read suggests that the Padres will be most keen on pitching prospects with MLB-proximity, given they they still intend on competing and are losing something like 800 starter IPs to free agency.
that they really won't entertain a new contract discussion until free agency, I really don't see a team offering a Dominguez-level prospect in a Soto package. Especially with the widely-known financial pressures that SD is facing.
Most of what I have read suggests that the Padres will be most keen on pitching prospects with MLB-proximity, given they they still intend on competing and are losing something like 800 starter IPs to free agency.
My opener here would be Thorpe, Pereira, Schmidt.
I'd also have to imagine that given the Padres aspirations to compete this year, they'd want to move him to an AL team which limits the suitors.
that they really won't entertain a new contract discussion until free agency, I really don't see a team offering a Dominguez-level prospect in a Soto package. Especially with the widely-known financial pressures that SD is facing.
Most of what I have read suggests that the Padres will be most keen on pitching prospects with MLB-proximity, given they they still intend on competing and are losing something like 800 starter IPs to free agency.
My opener here would be Thorpe, Pereira, Schmidt.
Agreed. If he was coming with 5 years worth of control, parting with Dominguez makes sense. I doubt it takes Dominguez
Price would be too high. I would not want to give up either Spencer Jones or Dominguez in any deal. They would have to give up too much and take on another huge contract. Boras will also want Soto to hit the market. Yanks would be saddled with 4 huge contracts (Cole, Judge, Stanton & Soto) and have little room to add to the roster while depleting their system. To me I'd rather see them try and sign Bellinger or Keirmaier and wait on Dominquez or Jones. Jones has torn it up in the minors and I expect him on the team in 2 years tops.
Price would be too high. I would not want to give up either Spencer Jones or Dominguez in any deal. They would have to give up too much and take on another huge contract. Boras will also want Soto to hit the market. Yanks would be saddled with 4 huge contracts (Cole, Judge, Stanton & Soto) and have little room to add to the roster while depleting their system. To me I'd rather see them try and sign Bellinger or Keirmaier and wait on Dominquez or Jones. Jones has torn it up in the minors and I expect him on the team in 2 years tops.
The team that trades prospects for a star-level player wins the deal a very very high percentage of the time.
Right. Neither of these guys are getting any younger. Given the amount of money they're paying those two, it's insanity not to go all out for such a major improvement to the roster.
RE: over/under on how long they take to turn him into a .200 hitting
- Yankees are definitely the favorites for Soto right now and the teams are engaged in talks, could see it getting done at the winter meetings
- Soto is the Yankees main focus right now as far as bats go, the Yankees really want him and are the main team right now and have a good chance of getting him
- Said Volpe isn't going anywhere and he doesn't think Jasson will be in the deal either when it shakes out but SD likes Jasson a lot as well as Drew Thorpe
- When things eventually shake out and if there's a deal, he thinks it'll be players like King and Schmidt headlining the deal, maybe Spencer Jones but the Yankees would like to keep him
- If they don't get Soto, they'll look at Bellinger and won't rule out Bellinger + Soto but thinks it's more likely they fill their CF void through a trade like Grisham being included in the Soto deal or maybe signing Jung Hoo Lee
- People with the Yankees he's spoken to said they feel really good about what they've heard so far re: Yamamoto
- Lastly, he's confident that the Yankees will do something big this offseason, doesn't see at least one major move not happening and probably more than one
Me neither. They’ll add someone like Verdugo and pass on Soto and Bellinger
Generational hitter.
I wanted the Yanks to sign Harper badly. I haven't wanted them to make a move this much since then.
Generational hitter.
I wanted the Yanks to sign Harper badly. I haven't wanted them to make a move this much since then.
I thought I saw Boras say Soto won't sign until free agency, but I can be wrong
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this would make up for so many wrongs.
Generational hitter.
I wanted the Yanks to sign Harper badly. I haven't wanted them to make a move this much since then.
I thought I saw Boras say Soto won't sign until free agency, but I can be wrong
Saw the same, unless Cashman is going to meet Boras contract request, Soto is hitting FA in a year where Mets and whoever loses out on Ohtani will be waiting as well.
Risky but if prospect ask isn’t unreasonable, Yanks are a win now team and Cashman is under lot of fire.
Generational hitter.
I wanted the Yanks to sign Harper badly. I haven't wanted them to make a move this much since then.
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Saw the same, unless Cashman is going to meet Boras contract request, Soto is hitting FA in a year where Mets and whoever loses out on Ohtani will be waiting as well.
Risky but if prospect ask isn’t unreasonable, Yanks are a win now team and Cashman is under lot of fire.
When was the last time the Yankees wanted to retain one of their big FA's and missed out? I'm confident if they pay the cost it'll take to get him that they'll keep him even if it's not an immediate extension. An offseason headlined by Soto and Yamamoto would be a home run and they appear to be the favorites for both of them as of now, which means they'll likely get neither and probably strike out on Bellinger as well.
8th in OPS last year, an OBP equivalent to Freeman and Diaz who both hit 330. All of the advanced stats are nearly equal to his career averages, including his 2021 season where be put up monster numbers. There's nothing to suggest he's not the same player he's always been.
I think they wanted him back, but not for the absurd contract he got from Seattle.
And I was fine with that....until they then blew $150 million on Ellsbury.
He's a phenomenal left handed hitter with pull power. With that short porch, his plate discipline, how in the world can you say that?
Have any names leaked who have been shared? I can't click the link.
Have any names leaked who have been shared? I can't click the link.
All it says is that they’re interested in Dominguez, Volpe, King, Thorpe but not that those names have been offered by the Yankees
Have any names leaked who have been shared? I can't click the link.
Agreed.
Re: names, all he said was:
"While the exact names are not known, the Padres are said to be looking at top prospects/rookies like Jasson Dominguez and Anthony Volpe, young major league pitchers in the Michael King/Clarke Schmidt category, and more. That is standard behavior at the beginning of trade talks for a superstar player. It was also standard behavior for the Yankees to say no, but want to keep talking."
My guess is if a deal gets done it'll be headlined by Spencer Jones and either King or Schmidt.
He's a phenomenal left handed hitter with pull power. With that short porch, his plate discipline, how in the world can you say that?
From Statcast, Soto's expected HRs if played every game as home stadium (based on 2022, 35 actual):
CIN: 38
MIL: 37
CUB: 36
LAD: 36
COL: 35
SEA: 35
CHW: 34
NYM: 34
PHI: 34
SDP: 33
HOU: 33
TOR: 32
TBR: 32
MIN: 32
WAS: 32
ATL: 31
TEX: 31
LAA: 31
ARI: 30
STL: 30
OAK: 30
DET: 29
BAL: 29
BOS: 28
SFG: 28
MIA: 28
CLE: 27
KCR: 27
NYY: 27
PIT: 26
His history is that he hits to all fields and would lose homers in Death Valley. He could perhaps adjust to the porch, but that's an unknown.
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Saw the same, unless Cashman is going to meet Boras contract request, Soto is hitting FA in a year where Mets and whoever loses out on Ohtani will be waiting as well.
Risky but if prospect ask isn’t unreasonable, Yanks are a win now team and Cashman is under lot of fire.
When was the last time the Yankees wanted to retain one of their big FA's and missed out? I'm confident if they pay the cost it'll take to get him that they'll keep him even if it's not an immediate extension. An offseason headlined by Soto and Yamamoto would be a home run and they appear to be the favorites for both of them as of now, which means they'll likely get neither and probably strike out on Bellinger as well.
Outside of Judge who is that in the last 15 years? He’s not one of their “own” FAs in sense it’s one year audition. The Boras factor is also huge. Mets will make a huge bid if he hits FA.
I would like them to get this deal done with Schmidt and not King, but if I were the Padres I'd want the opposite.
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Saw the same, unless Cashman is going to meet Boras contract request, Soto is hitting FA in a year where Mets and whoever loses out on Ohtani will be waiting as well.
Risky but if prospect ask isn’t unreasonable, Yanks are a win now team and Cashman is under lot of fire.
When was the last time the Yankees wanted to retain one of their big FA's and missed out? I'm confident if they pay the cost it'll take to get him that they'll keep him even if it's not an immediate extension. An offseason headlined by Soto and Yamamoto would be a home run and they appear to be the favorites for both of them as of now, which means they'll likely get neither and probably strike out on Bellinger as well.
Outside of Judge who is that in the last 15 years? He’s not one of their “own” FAs in sense it’s one year audition. The Boras factor is also huge. Mets will make a huge bid if he hits FA.
The point is you get him in the building, there is a certain cachet that goes with playing for the Yankees and putting on the pinstripes. They haven't failed to resign any rentals they wanted to keep either with Rizzo being the most recent example.
I think they'll try and keep Dominguez given the gaping hole in CF and make up the difference with other pieces if possible.
Most of what I have read suggests that the Padres will be most keen on pitching prospects with MLB-proximity, given they they still intend on competing and are losing something like 800 starter IPs to free agency.
My opener here would be Thorpe, Pereira, Schmidt.
Some combination of Spencer Jones, some young pitching, and some A ball lottery tickets - I think this gets done.
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And I don’t think they really wanted him back
I think they wanted him back, but not for the absurd contract he got from Seattle.
And I was fine with that....until they then blew $150 million on Ellsbury.
me too.
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Me neither. They’ll add someone like Verdugo and pass on Soto and Bellinger
Lmao. Clueless. The Verdugo trade was never going to happen.
Most of what I have read suggests that the Padres will be most keen on pitching prospects with MLB-proximity, given they they still intend on competing and are losing something like 800 starter IPs to free agency.
My opener here would be Thorpe, Pereira, Schmidt.
I'd also have to imagine that given the Padres aspirations to compete this year, they'd want to move him to an AL team which limits the suitors.
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Poor fielder in left in the Stadium? Defensive disaster. And his hitting doesn't stack up well in the Stadium either. Pass on this guy.
He's a phenomenal left handed hitter with pull power. With that short porch, his plate discipline, how in the world can you say that?
That’s easy, they’re just another whiny, clueless moron Yankee fan.
Most of what I have read suggests that the Padres will be most keen on pitching prospects with MLB-proximity, given they they still intend on competing and are losing something like 800 starter IPs to free agency.
My opener here would be Thorpe, Pereira, Schmidt.
Agreed. If he was coming with 5 years worth of control, parting with Dominguez makes sense. I doubt it takes Dominguez
The team that trades prospects for a star-level player wins the deal a very very high percentage of the time.
Right. Neither of these guys are getting any younger. Given the amount of money they're paying those two, it's insanity not to go all out for such a major improvement to the roster.
With analytics, about 1/2 season
I'll be dipped in shit and covered in rainbow sprinkles.
Not that this is likely but these moves will get them to the World Series as favorites
- Yankees are definitely the favorites for Soto right now and the teams are engaged in talks, could see it getting done at the winter meetings
- Soto is the Yankees main focus right now as far as bats go, the Yankees really want him and are the main team right now and have a good chance of getting him
- Said Volpe isn't going anywhere and he doesn't think Jasson will be in the deal either when it shakes out but SD likes Jasson a lot as well as Drew Thorpe
- When things eventually shake out and if there's a deal, he thinks it'll be players like King and Schmidt headlining the deal, maybe Spencer Jones but the Yankees would like to keep him
- If they don't get Soto, they'll look at Bellinger and won't rule out Bellinger + Soto but thinks it's more likely they fill their CF void through a trade like Grisham being included in the Soto deal or maybe signing Jung Hoo Lee
- People with the Yankees he's spoken to said they feel really good about what they've heard so far re: Yamamoto
- Lastly, he's confident that the Yankees will do something big this offseason, doesn't see at least one major move not happening and probably more than one