- Yankees are definitely the favorites for Soto right now and the teams are engaged in talks, could see it getting done at the winter meetings
- Soto is the Yankees main focus right now as far as bats go, the Yankees really want him and are the main team right now and have a good chance of getting him
- Said Volpe isn't going anywhere and he doesn't think Jasson will be in the deal either when it shakes out but SD likes Jasson a lot as well as Drew Thorpe
- When things eventually shake out and if there's a deal, he thinks it'll be players like King and Schmidt headlining the deal, maybe Spencer Jones but the Yankees would like to keep him
- If they don't get Soto, they'll look at Bellinger and won't rule out Bellinger + Soto but thinks it's more likely they fill their CF void through a trade like Grisham being included in the Soto deal or maybe signing Jung Hoo Lee
- People with the Yankees he's spoken to said they feel really good about what they've heard so far re: Yamamoto
- Lastly, he's confident that the Yankees will do something big this offseason, doesn't see at least one major move not happening and probably more than one
The time to make a move is now, when these guys are still playing at their peak. And, if the Yankees are committed to re-signing Soto, they can make it happen. It's all about having the will to do so.
- Yankees are definitely the favorites for Soto right now and the teams are engaged in talks, could see it getting done at the winter meetings
- Soto is the Yankees main focus right now as far as bats go, the Yankees really want him and are the main team right now and have a good chance of getting him
- Said Volpe isn't going anywhere and he doesn't think Jasson will be in the deal either when it shakes out but SD likes Jasson a lot as well as Drew Thorpe
- When things eventually shake out and if there's a deal, he thinks it'll be players like King and Schmidt headlining the deal, maybe Spencer Jones but the Yankees would like to keep him
- If they don't get Soto, they'll look at Bellinger and won't rule out Bellinger + Soto but thinks it's more likely they fill their CF void through a trade like Grisham being included in the Soto deal or maybe signing Jung Hoo Lee
- People with the Yankees he's spoken to said they feel really good about what they've heard so far re: Yamamoto
- Lastly, he's confident that the Yankees will do something big this offseason, doesn't see at least one major move not happening and probably more than one
Drew Thorpe is really good.. He’s the one guy I think will be really valuable for us going forward. Welp, we’ll see what it costs but IId rather not lose him.
By any measure, he is already one of the top 10 hitters in the game and young. I agree the Yankees are likely to resign him.
I'm a Mets fan and wish he were coming here. But the Yankees are more win-now, I think, and Mets are carrying too much dead $ this year. He'd massively improve either lineup.
I can't believe there are fans who are wary of trading prospects
By any measure, he is already one of the top 10 hitters in the game and young. I agree the Yankees are likely to resign him.
I'm a Mets fan and wish he were coming here. But the Yankees are more win-now, I think, and Mets are carrying too much dead $ this year. He'd massively improve either lineup.
FWIW, if Soto is truly a DH prospect because of poor fielding not sure that they need another DH.
Why is he a poor fielder? I guy of that athletic ability should easily reach average fielder level if he was interested. For 10 years $400+ mill he'd better be able to play decent OF.
Definitely feels like Soto to the Yankees is gonna happen.
He’s a .275 hitter hitting 30+ homers while walking more than he strikes out. I don’t think there’s anything to concerned about. I think we’ll see a bump in the average and power numbers in Yankee stadium as well.
Saw a chart a few weeks ago that showed how many HRs he would have had last season based on playing his home games in each park. Believe it or not, he would have hit the fewest home runs if he had played his home games in Yankee Stadium. Makes no sense.
RE: I assume Dominguez would be headed west in any deal
He’s a .275 hitter hitting 30+ homers while walking more than he strikes out. I don’t think there’s anything to concerned about. I think we’ll see a bump in the average and power numbers in Yankee stadium as well.
Saw a chart a few weeks ago that showed how many HRs he would have had last season based on playing his home games in each park. Believe it or not, he would have hit the fewest home runs if he had played his home games in Yankee Stadium. Makes no sense.
I think that’s projecting his approach is the same exact and he’d lose homers in Death Valley and assuming he won’t change his approach to take advantage of the porch.
I think he’s a good enough hitter he will adjust to the porch, it may come at the expense of a few points of BA but the homers will make up for it
He's got the highest upside of any of their young guys, at least among those above rookie ball.
Not for a rental. For comparison look at what the Sox got for Mookie.
In hindsight it looks pretty bad but at the time Verdugo was as highly regarded as Jasson and Downs was a top 100 guy. Plus the Dodgers took on Price’s deal
Though unlikely, there is always a chance Cohen throws 500M at Boras,
He's been CONSTANTLY injured these past several years and even on the rare occurence when he is healthy; he hasn't been good. Him getting $13 million for one year is hilarous. Good for him to take a terribly run team for a ride, though. Good for him.
He's been CONSTANTLY injured these past several years and even on the rare occurence when he is healthy; he hasn't been good. Him getting $13 million for one year is hilarous. Good for him to take a terribly run team for a ride, though. Good for him.
I agree Dave - (and you probably know I’m a Mets fan). I’m not thrilled with this signing at all. I’m actually on here because I think the Soto acquisition is very good. Batting behind Judge. I figured some of the Sevy news was mentioned here and wanted your guys (Yankee fans) take.
RE: Though unlikely, there is always a chance Cohen throws 500M at Boras,
He's been CONSTANTLY injured these past several years and even on the rare occurence when he is healthy; he hasn't been good. Him getting $13 million for one year is hilarous. Good for him to take a terribly run team for a ride, though. Good for him.
I don't understand why they'd sign Sevy over Nick Martinez who's far less risky and got essentially the same money but an extra year. Makes me wonder if the Mets plan on resetting the tax next year.
He’s a .275 hitter hitting 30+ homers while walking more than he strikes out. I don’t think there’s anything to concerned about. I think we’ll see a bump in the average and power numbers in Yankee stadium as well.
Saw a chart a few weeks ago that showed how many HRs he would have had last season based on playing his home games in each park. Believe it or not, he would have hit the fewest home runs if he had played his home games in Yankee Stadium. Makes no sense.
I think that’s projecting his approach is the same exact and he’d lose homers in Death Valley and assuming he won’t change his approach to take advantage of the porch.
I think he’s a good enough hitter he will adjust to the porch, it may come at the expense of a few points of BA but the homers will make up for it
While it's a small sample size, Soto has 5 HR's in 9 career games at YS (also hit 310 but BA with that sample size isn't indicative of much).
I am reading comments that the Yankees should avoid Juan Soto and take a safer path with Kevin Keirmaier.
I'll be dipped in shit and covered in rainbow sprinkles.
Actually,if they do trade for Soto,Kiermaier would probably be the other LH hitting OF they sign. Yanks seem committed to Dominguez as their CF,so when he returns June/July,Kiermaier becomes the backup OF & for those crying about Soto's defense,he could replace him in late innings(although I wouldn't want to take his bat out of the lineup). Acquiring both Soto & Bellinger won't work unless they somehow can move Stanton,so once Dominguez returns, they could rotate OFers in the DH spot.
RE: RE: RE: I assume Dominguez would be headed west in any deal
He's got the highest upside of any of their young guys, at least among those above rookie ball.
Not for a rental. For comparison look at what the Sox got for Mookie.
In hindsight it looks pretty bad but at the time Verdugo was as highly regarded as Jasson and Downs was a top 100 guy. Plus the Dodgers took on Price’s deal
One major difference is Mookie wanted to sign a deal and then did before he even played a game for the Dodgers. By all accounts, Soto wants to be a FA and so this really is just a rental.
I am reading comments that the Yankees should avoid Juan Soto and take a safer path with Kevin Keirmaier.
I'll be dipped in shit and covered in rainbow sprinkles.
Actually,if they do trade for Soto,Kiermaier would probably be the other LH hitting OF they sign. Yanks seem committed to Dominguez as their CF,so when he returns June/July,Kiermaier becomes the backup OF & for those crying about Soto's defense,he could replace him in late innings(although I wouldn't want to take his bat out of the lineup). Acquiring both Soto & Bellinger won't work unless they somehow can move Stanton,so once Dominguez returns, they could rotate OFers in the DH spot.
Sure - there's a version of the world where Keirmaier makes sense here...as a stopgap. But if that is anywhere close to the biggest move of the outfield "upgrade", they did not understand the assignment.
More specifically, it makes my head spin to see someone say that they hope the Yankees pass on a Soto trade and head in the direction of a Kevin Kiermaier. Opinions are just that, and mine is that take is batshit crazy.
Sure - there's a version of the world where Keirmaier makes sense here...as a stopgap. But if that is anywhere close to the biggest move of the outfield "upgrade", they did not understand the assignment.
More specifically, it makes my head spin to see someone say that they hope the Yankees pass on a Soto trade and head in the direction of a Kevin Kiermaier. Opinions are just that, and mine is that take is batshit crazy.
He laid out the perceived risks of signing Soto and said he'd prefer that they pursue Bellinger or Kiermaier.
Ok, so one poster.....
I'm sure you have a point here, but I'm having trouble finding it. I pointed out what I found to be a completely insane take. That is bothering you in some way, and I want to wish you well in dealing with that feeling.
Kiermaier makes a lot of sense in addition to Soto.
Very good defensive CF who can keep the spot warm until Dominguez gets back. But if they miss out on Soto and Bellinger to sign Kiermaier, that would be pretty bad -- similar to when the Yanks passed on the loaded SS FA class to sign IKF
He laid out the perceived risks of signing Soto and said he'd prefer that they pursue Bellinger or Kiermaier.
Ok, so one poster.....
I'm sure you have a point here, but I'm having trouble finding it. I pointed out what I found to be a completely insane take. That is bothering you in some way, and I want to wish you well in dealing with that feeling.
You did say someONE...ok
But I think trading a boatload for Soto without a long term deal in hand is insane. If the people included are 2nd level prospects ok. Maybe you give up one top prospect and a couple 2nd levels, but why would you give up a treasure trove for a 1 year rental. Yes they could use his bat(or any bat), without question. But a liability in the field...
Now if they can off load Stanton, absolutely. That changes everything.
RE: Kiermaier makes a lot of sense in addition to Soto.
Very good defensive CF who can keep the spot warm until Dominguez gets back. But if they miss out on Soto and Bellinger to sign Kiermaier, that would be pretty bad -- similar to when the Yanks passed on the loaded SS FA class to sign IKF
numbers I've seen speculated for KK are in the range of $20M over 2 years. Not my money, but they do seem to operate with limits. Kiermaier posted a 104 wRC+ last year (which was his best season in the last 6), and expected metrics would suggest that it was better than he deserved. I'd just as soon bring back Bader for less money if we are talking about a seat-warming situation.
I'm all for ramping up left-handedness in the lineup....with good hitters. And KK is not a good hitter.
RE: RE: Kiermaier makes a lot of sense in addition to Soto.
Very good defensive CF who can keep the spot warm until Dominguez gets back. But if they miss out on Soto and Bellinger to sign Kiermaier, that would be pretty bad -- similar to when the Yanks passed on the loaded SS FA class to sign IKF
numbers I've seen speculated for KK are in the range of $20M over 2 years. Not my money, but they do seem to operate with limits. Kiermaier posted a 104 wRC+ last year (which was his best season in the last 6), and expected metrics would suggest that it was better than he deserved. I'd just as soon bring back Bader for less money if we are talking about a seat-warming situation.
I'm all for ramping up left-handedness in the lineup....with good hitters. And KK is not a good hitter.
KK is an excellent OF, probably better than Bader. He is awful at the plate. Rays batted him 8th or 9th, IIRC?
He laid out the perceived risks of signing Soto and said he'd prefer that they pursue Bellinger or Kiermaier.
Ok, so one poster.....
I'm sure you have a point here, but I'm having trouble finding it. I pointed out what I found to be a completely insane take. That is bothering you in some way, and I want to wish you well in dealing with that feeling.
You did say someONE...ok
But I think trading a boatload for Soto without a long term deal in hand is insane. If the people included are 2nd level prospects ok. Maybe you give up one top prospect and a couple 2nd levels, but why would you give up a treasure trove for a 1 year rental. Yes they could use his bat(or any bat), without question. But a liability in the field...
Now if they can off load Stanton, absolutely. That changes everything.
these things are subjective, of course. and you are right that the trade price matters.
My opinion is based on 2 beliefs:
1) I view Soto as a surefire first ballot hall of famer when it's said and done. He's one of the best hitters I've watched. He's got a career .946 OPS, and he hasn't even had any of those years yet that you can point to and say "I'll be that's his career year". In every year of his career post age 21, he has walked more than he has struck out. He's 25 years old and very likely has not peaked yet.
2) I don't think it will take tippy-top tier prospects to land him. His agent has been vocal about no extension until FA, and everyone knows that San Diego is a financial dumpster fire right now. They are under some duress to unload money, and everyone knows it. I think it can be done without a Domniguez, Volpe, Peraza. If the lead piece is a Spencer Jones or Drew Thorpe, I think that's fine price to pay.
A package like Thorpe, Schmidt, Pereira wouldn't bother me at all. I think he's that good, and I think they should go into it with the mindset that they will do whatever it takes to make him like NY and re-sign him whether now or at the end of the season.
I'm not sure how many teams would be willing to outbid that package. Only a handful of teams will likely be at the table to pay him $400-500M, and I would expect that only teams who realistically will try to re-sign him would enter the trade talks now.
I'm very likely in the minority on this point -- but I'd quite frankly rather have Soto than Ohtani. Largely due to his age, but that's how good I think he is.
RE: RE: RE: Kiermaier makes a lot of sense in addition to Soto.
Very good defensive CF who can keep the spot warm until Dominguez gets back. But if they miss out on Soto and Bellinger to sign Kiermaier, that would be pretty bad -- similar to when the Yanks passed on the loaded SS FA class to sign IKF
numbers I've seen speculated for KK are in the range of $20M over 2 years. Not my money, but they do seem to operate with limits. Kiermaier posted a 104 wRC+ last year (which was his best season in the last 6), and expected metrics would suggest that it was better than he deserved. I'd just as soon bring back Bader for less money if we are talking about a seat-warming situation.
I'm all for ramping up left-handedness in the lineup....with good hitters. And KK is not a good hitter.
KK is an excellent OF, probably better than Bader. He is awful at the plate. Rays batted him 8th or 9th, IIRC?
yes, something like that. It's all about offense to me. Offense is the reason that the Yankees have sucked in recent years (relative to their own standard). Complete players are great, but I'm absolutely willing to sacrifice a little bit of defense especially for an elite bat. Soto can credibly play the outfield. It absolutely isn't his strength but a lot of the commentary about his shortcomings with the glove are overcooked.
these things are subjective, of course. and you are right that the trade price matters.
My opinion is based on 2 beliefs:
1) I view Soto as a surefire first ballot hall of famer when it's said and done. He's one of the best hitters I've watched. He's got a career .946 OPS, and he hasn't even had any of those years yet that you can point to and say "I'll be that's his career year". In every year of his career post age 21, he has walked more than he has struck out. He's 25 years old and very likely has not peaked yet.
2) I don't think it will take tippy-top tier prospects to land him. His agent has been vocal about no extension until FA, and everyone knows that San Diego is a financial dumpster fire right now. They are under some duress to unload money, and everyone knows it. I think it can be done without a Domniguez, Volpe, Peraza. If the lead piece is a Spencer Jones or Drew Thorpe, I think that's fine price to pay.
A package like Thorpe, Schmidt, Pereira wouldn't bother me at all. I think he's that good, and I think they should go into it with the mindset that they will do whatever it takes to make him like NY and re-sign him whether now or at the end of the season.
I'm not sure how many teams would be willing to outbid that package. Only a handful of teams will likely be at the table to pay him $400-500M, and I would expect that only teams who realistically will try to re-sign him would enter the trade talks now.
I'm very likely in the minority on this point -- but I'd quite frankly rather have Soto than Ohtani. Largely due to his age, but that's how good I think he is.
I can agree with this...
as far as Ohtani, I am not so fond of him requiring a team to let him pitch as well as DH full time. Either be a pitcher or a fielder/DH, eve if he is a remarkable player.
But I think trading a boatload for Soto without a long term deal in hand is insane. If the people included are 2nd level prospects ok. Maybe you give up one top prospect and a couple 2nd levels, but why would you give up a treasure trove for a 1 year rental. Yes they could use his bat(or any bat), without question. But a liability in the field...
Now if they can off load Stanton, absolutely. That changes everything.
Most of the Yankees prospects are 2nd level prospects anyways if Volpe and Dominguez aren't on the table, especially if they mostly want MLB or near-MLB pitching. I'd imagine King and/or Schmidt will need to be in the deal to get it done (more likely King but who knows).
Dominguez hasn't exactly lit it up since his arrival...
MLB Top 100 Prospects has Jones, Dominguez, and Pereira ranked 74th, 75th, and 76th (oddly enough) in their top 100; with Hampton and Thorpe 95th and 99th. Of course, opinions vary and I imagine Baseball America has them ranked differently, but I don't think anyone has them in their top 20 or 30. You don't want to sell the farm, but--individually speaking--none of them should be a dealbreaker.
RE: Dominguez hasn't exactly lit it up since his arrival...
MLB Top 100 Prospects has Jones, Dominguez, and Pereira ranked 74th, 75th, and 76th (oddly enough) in their top 100; with Hampton and Thorpe 95th and 99th. Of course, opinions vary and I imagine Baseball America has them ranked differently, but I don't think anyone has them in their top 20 or 30. You don't want to sell the farm, but--individually speaking--none of them should be a dealbreaker.
Baseball America has:
55. Dominguez
69. Pereira
76. Jones
96. Thorpe
RE: Dominguez hasn't exactly lit it up since his arrival...
MLB Top 100 Prospects has Jones, Dominguez, and Pereira ranked 74th, 75th, and 76th (oddly enough) in their top 100; with Hampton and Thorpe 95th and 99th. Of course, opinions vary and I imagine Baseball America has them ranked differently, but I don't think anyone has them in their top 20 or 30. You don't want to sell the farm, but--individually speaking--none of them should be a dealbreaker.
I am reading comments that the Yankees should avoid Juan Soto and take a safer path with Kevin Keirmaier.
I'll be dipped in shit and covered in rainbow sprinkles.
Actually,if they do trade for Soto,Kiermaier would probably be the other LH hitting OF they sign. Yanks seem committed to Dominguez as their CF,so when he returns June/July,Kiermaier becomes the backup OF & for those crying about Soto's defense,he could replace him in late innings(although I wouldn't want to take his bat out of the lineup). Acquiring both Soto & Bellinger won't work unless they somehow can move Stanton,so once Dominguez returns, they could rotate OFers in the DH spot.
Sure - there's a version of the world where Keirmaier makes sense here...as a stopgap. But if that is anywhere close to the biggest move of the outfield "upgrade", they did not understand the assignment.
More specifically, it makes my head spin to see someone say that they hope the Yankees pass on a Soto trade and head in the direction of a Kevin Kiermaier. Opinions are just that, and mine is that take is batshit crazy.
As I said previously,If they trade for Soto,Kiermaier makes sense from a financial & team standpoint. He certainly wouldn't be the major OF upgrade, but would fit in perfectly.short & long term! If the Soto deal falls through, I then could see them going after Bellinger & Lee!
RE: Dominguez hasn't exactly lit it up since his arrival...
MLB Top 100 Prospects has Jones, Dominguez, and Pereira ranked 74th, 75th, and 76th (oddly enough) in their top 100; with Hampton and Thorpe 95th and 99th. Of course, opinions vary and I imagine Baseball America has them ranked differently, but I don't think anyone has them in their top 20 or 30. You don't want to sell the farm, but--individually speaking--none of them should be a dealbreaker.
You mean 4 HRs in only 8 games doesn't light it up for you. Watch games,don't read lists. I've watched JD play over the last 2 years for Somerset & SWB (milb.com) & the kid is special. A switch hitting,power laden,great defensive CF with excellent speed.....sounds like how Mantle was described.You don't trade a kid like that for a rental. Now,I expect Spencer Jones will be included & he has the potential to be a lefty Judge. I'd hate to give him up,but you have to give to get! Just not Dominguez!
is that he is slow and a poor defender. His offensive capabilities are obviously terrific. The Yankees absolutely need that kind of bat.
I suppose they survived Reggie Jackson in RF.
The Yankees should pair Soto with a fast CFer who has great range. It's doable. Just me grousing I guess.
Passan says he thinks the Yankees are the favorites for both Soto
MLB Top 100 Prospects has Jones, Dominguez, and Pereira ranked 74th, 75th, and 76th (oddly enough) in their top 100; with Hampton and Thorpe 95th and 99th. Of course, opinions vary and I imagine Baseball America has them ranked differently, but I don't think anyone has them in their top 20 or 30. You don't want to sell the farm, but--individually speaking--none of them should be a dealbreaker.
You mean 4 HRs in only 8 games doesn't light it up for you. Watch games,don't read lists. I've watched JD play over the last 2 years for Somerset & SWB (milb.com) & the kid is special. A switch hitting,power laden,great defensive CF with excellent speed.....sounds like how Mantle was described.You don't trade a kid like that for a rental. Now,I expect Spencer Jones will be included & he has the potential to be a lefty Judge. I'd hate to give him up,but you have to give to get! Just not Dominguez!
Why not keep both and don't trade for a 270 hitter with 30 HR pop who sucks in the field?
- Yankees are definitely the favorites for Soto right now and the teams are engaged in talks, could see it getting done at the winter meetings
- Soto is the Yankees main focus right now as far as bats go, the Yankees really want him and are the main team right now and have a good chance of getting him
- Said Volpe isn't going anywhere and he doesn't think Jasson will be in the deal either when it shakes out but SD likes Jasson a lot as well as Drew Thorpe
- When things eventually shake out and if there's a deal, he thinks it'll be players like King and Schmidt headlining the deal, maybe Spencer Jones but the Yankees would like to keep him
- If they don't get Soto, they'll look at Bellinger and won't rule out Bellinger + Soto but thinks it's more likely they fill their CF void through a trade like Grisham being included in the Soto deal or maybe signing Jung Hoo Lee
- People with the Yankees he's spoken to said they feel really good about what they've heard so far re: Yamamoto
- Lastly, he's confident that the Yankees will do something big this offseason, doesn't see at least one major move not happening and probably more than one
This is good news
Dont see that happening. Scott Boras almost always steers his guys to free agency, and Soto might be the biggest free agent he has ever represented
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Dont see that happening. Scott Boras almost always steers his guys to free agency, and Soto might be the biggest free agent he has ever represented
If that is the case, walk away. You don't trade top prospects for a 1 year rental.
- Yankees are definitely the favorites for Soto right now and the teams are engaged in talks, could see it getting done at the winter meetings
- Soto is the Yankees main focus right now as far as bats go, the Yankees really want him and are the main team right now and have a good chance of getting him
- Said Volpe isn't going anywhere and he doesn't think Jasson will be in the deal either when it shakes out but SD likes Jasson a lot as well as Drew Thorpe
- When things eventually shake out and if there's a deal, he thinks it'll be players like King and Schmidt headlining the deal, maybe Spencer Jones but the Yankees would like to keep him
- If they don't get Soto, they'll look at Bellinger and won't rule out Bellinger + Soto but thinks it's more likely they fill their CF void through a trade like Grisham being included in the Soto deal or maybe signing Jung Hoo Lee
- People with the Yankees he's spoken to said they feel really good about what they've heard so far re: Yamamoto
- Lastly, he's confident that the Yankees will do something big this offseason, doesn't see at least one major move not happening and probably more than one
Drew Thorpe is really good.. He’s the one guy I think will be really valuable for us going forward. Welp, we’ll see what it costs but IId rather not lose him.
I'm a Mets fan and wish he were coming here. But the Yankees are more win-now, I think, and Mets are carrying too much dead $ this year. He'd massively improve either lineup.
Pretty surprising. He's cooked
I'm a Mets fan and wish he were coming here. But the Yankees are more win-now, I think, and Mets are carrying too much dead $ this year. He'd massively improve either lineup.
FWIW, if Soto is truly a DH prospect because of poor fielding not sure that they need another DH.
Why is he a poor fielder? I guy of that athletic ability should easily reach average fielder level if he was interested. For 10 years $400+ mill he'd better be able to play decent OF.
I wouldn’t say he’s cooked though. He still can throw heat, just with no command.
Saw a chart a few weeks ago that showed how many HRs he would have had last season based on playing his home games in each park. Believe it or not, he would have hit the fewest home runs if he had played his home games in Yankee Stadium. Makes no sense.
Not for a rental. For comparison look at what the Sox got for Mookie.
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He’s a .275 hitter hitting 30+ homers while walking more than he strikes out. I don’t think there’s anything to concerned about. I think we’ll see a bump in the average and power numbers in Yankee stadium as well.
Saw a chart a few weeks ago that showed how many HRs he would have had last season based on playing his home games in each park. Believe it or not, he would have hit the fewest home runs if he had played his home games in Yankee Stadium. Makes no sense.
I think that’s projecting his approach is the same exact and he’d lose homers in Death Valley and assuming he won’t change his approach to take advantage of the porch.
I think he’s a good enough hitter he will adjust to the porch, it may come at the expense of a few points of BA but the homers will make up for it
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He's got the highest upside of any of their young guys, at least among those above rookie ball.
Not for a rental. For comparison look at what the Sox got for Mookie.
In hindsight it looks pretty bad but at the time Verdugo was as highly regarded as Jasson and Downs was a top 100 guy. Plus the Dodgers took on Price’s deal
Schmidt, Vasquez, Brito, Hampton and Pereira. We can throw in a couple of bullpen arms too.
Take it or leave it. I wouldn't do more than that.
Someone on this thread was calling everyone names back in July because he thought the Yanks would turn it around. Just pathetic.
I agree Dave - (and you probably know I’m a Mets fan). I’m not thrilled with this signing at all. I’m actually on here because I think the Soto acquisition is very good. Batting behind Judge. I figured some of the Sevy news was mentioned here and wanted your guys (Yankee fans) take.
Schmidt, Vasquez, Brito, Hampton and Pereira. We can throw in a couple of bullpen arms too.
Take it or leave it. I wouldn't do more than that.
Too much for a 1 year rental. I'd say Michael King, Spencer Jones and 1 of Drew Thorpe/Chase Hampton
Someone on this thread was calling everyone names back in July because he thought the Yanks would turn it around. Just pathetic.
I don't understand why they'd sign Sevy over Nick Martinez who's far less risky and got essentially the same money but an extra year. Makes me wonder if the Mets plan on resetting the tax next year.
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He’s a .275 hitter hitting 30+ homers while walking more than he strikes out. I don’t think there’s anything to concerned about. I think we’ll see a bump in the average and power numbers in Yankee stadium as well.
Saw a chart a few weeks ago that showed how many HRs he would have had last season based on playing his home games in each park. Believe it or not, he would have hit the fewest home runs if he had played his home games in Yankee Stadium. Makes no sense.
I think that’s projecting his approach is the same exact and he’d lose homers in Death Valley and assuming he won’t change his approach to take advantage of the porch.
I think he’s a good enough hitter he will adjust to the porch, it may come at the expense of a few points of BA but the homers will make up for it
While it's a small sample size, Soto has 5 HR's in 9 career games at YS (also hit 310 but BA with that sample size isn't indicative of much).
I'll be dipped in shit and covered in rainbow sprinkles.
Actually,if they do trade for Soto,Kiermaier would probably be the other LH hitting OF they sign. Yanks seem committed to Dominguez as their CF,so when he returns June/July,Kiermaier becomes the backup OF & for those crying about Soto's defense,he could replace him in late innings(although I wouldn't want to take his bat out of the lineup). Acquiring both Soto & Bellinger won't work unless they somehow can move Stanton,so once Dominguez returns, they could rotate OFers in the DH spot.
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In comment 16307543 Greg from LI said:
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He's got the highest upside of any of their young guys, at least among those above rookie ball.
Not for a rental. For comparison look at what the Sox got for Mookie.
In hindsight it looks pretty bad but at the time Verdugo was as highly regarded as Jasson and Downs was a top 100 guy. Plus the Dodgers took on Price’s deal
One major difference is Mookie wanted to sign a deal and then did before he even played a game for the Dodgers. By all accounts, Soto wants to be a FA and so this really is just a rental.
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I am reading comments that the Yankees should avoid Juan Soto and take a safer path with Kevin Keirmaier.
I'll be dipped in shit and covered in rainbow sprinkles.
Actually,if they do trade for Soto,Kiermaier would probably be the other LH hitting OF they sign. Yanks seem committed to Dominguez as their CF,so when he returns June/July,Kiermaier becomes the backup OF & for those crying about Soto's defense,he could replace him in late innings(although I wouldn't want to take his bat out of the lineup). Acquiring both Soto & Bellinger won't work unless they somehow can move Stanton,so once Dominguez returns, they could rotate OFers in the DH spot.
Sure - there's a version of the world where Keirmaier makes sense here...as a stopgap. But if that is anywhere close to the biggest move of the outfield "upgrade", they did not understand the assignment.
More specifically, it makes my head spin to see someone say that they hope the Yankees pass on a Soto trade and head in the direction of a Kevin Kiermaier. Opinions are just that, and mine is that take is batshit crazy.
Sure - there's a version of the world where Keirmaier makes sense here...as a stopgap. But if that is anywhere close to the biggest move of the outfield "upgrade", they did not understand the assignment.
More specifically, it makes my head spin to see someone say that they hope the Yankees pass on a Soto trade and head in the direction of a Kevin Kiermaier. Opinions are just that, and mine is that take is batshit crazy.
I don't recall anyone saying that...
He laid out the perceived risks of signing Soto and said he'd prefer that they pursue Bellinger or Kiermaier.
While it's a small sample size, Soto has 5 HR's in 9 career games at YS (also hit 310 but BA with that sample size isn't indicative of much).
As you say, small sample, but interesting stat and I was interested in the Yankee pitchers and where the HRs were hit. Courtesy of Baseball Reference:
2018 (rookie season)
Chad Green (RF) (Soto's first MLB game)
Sonny Gray (LF line)
Chasen Shreve (CF-RF)
2021
Luis Cessa (LF-CF)
2023
Randy Vasquez (RF)
He laid out the perceived risks of signing Soto and said he'd prefer that they pursue Bellinger or Kiermaier.
Ok, so one poster.....
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not a strawman.
He laid out the perceived risks of signing Soto and said he'd prefer that they pursue Bellinger or Kiermaier.
Ok, so one poster.....
I'm sure you have a point here, but I'm having trouble finding it. I pointed out what I found to be a completely insane take. That is bothering you in some way, and I want to wish you well in dealing with that feeling.
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not a strawman.
He laid out the perceived risks of signing Soto and said he'd prefer that they pursue Bellinger or Kiermaier.
Ok, so one poster.....
I'm sure you have a point here, but I'm having trouble finding it. I pointed out what I found to be a completely insane take. That is bothering you in some way, and I want to wish you well in dealing with that feeling.
You did say someONE...ok
But I think trading a boatload for Soto without a long term deal in hand is insane. If the people included are 2nd level prospects ok. Maybe you give up one top prospect and a couple 2nd levels, but why would you give up a treasure trove for a 1 year rental. Yes they could use his bat(or any bat), without question. But a liability in the field...
Now if they can off load Stanton, absolutely. That changes everything.
numbers I've seen speculated for KK are in the range of $20M over 2 years. Not my money, but they do seem to operate with limits. Kiermaier posted a 104 wRC+ last year (which was his best season in the last 6), and expected metrics would suggest that it was better than he deserved. I'd just as soon bring back Bader for less money if we are talking about a seat-warming situation.
I'm all for ramping up left-handedness in the lineup....with good hitters. And KK is not a good hitter.
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Very good defensive CF who can keep the spot warm until Dominguez gets back. But if they miss out on Soto and Bellinger to sign Kiermaier, that would be pretty bad -- similar to when the Yanks passed on the loaded SS FA class to sign IKF
numbers I've seen speculated for KK are in the range of $20M over 2 years. Not my money, but they do seem to operate with limits. Kiermaier posted a 104 wRC+ last year (which was his best season in the last 6), and expected metrics would suggest that it was better than he deserved. I'd just as soon bring back Bader for less money if we are talking about a seat-warming situation.
I'm all for ramping up left-handedness in the lineup....with good hitters. And KK is not a good hitter.
KK is an excellent OF, probably better than Bader. He is awful at the plate. Rays batted him 8th or 9th, IIRC?
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In comment 16308608 bigbluehoya said:
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not a strawman.
He laid out the perceived risks of signing Soto and said he'd prefer that they pursue Bellinger or Kiermaier.
Ok, so one poster.....
I'm sure you have a point here, but I'm having trouble finding it. I pointed out what I found to be a completely insane take. That is bothering you in some way, and I want to wish you well in dealing with that feeling.
You did say someONE...ok
But I think trading a boatload for Soto without a long term deal in hand is insane. If the people included are 2nd level prospects ok. Maybe you give up one top prospect and a couple 2nd levels, but why would you give up a treasure trove for a 1 year rental. Yes they could use his bat(or any bat), without question. But a liability in the field...
Now if they can off load Stanton, absolutely. That changes everything.
these things are subjective, of course. and you are right that the trade price matters.
My opinion is based on 2 beliefs:
1) I view Soto as a surefire first ballot hall of famer when it's said and done. He's one of the best hitters I've watched. He's got a career .946 OPS, and he hasn't even had any of those years yet that you can point to and say "I'll be that's his career year". In every year of his career post age 21, he has walked more than he has struck out. He's 25 years old and very likely has not peaked yet.
2) I don't think it will take tippy-top tier prospects to land him. His agent has been vocal about no extension until FA, and everyone knows that San Diego is a financial dumpster fire right now. They are under some duress to unload money, and everyone knows it. I think it can be done without a Domniguez, Volpe, Peraza. If the lead piece is a Spencer Jones or Drew Thorpe, I think that's fine price to pay.
A package like Thorpe, Schmidt, Pereira wouldn't bother me at all. I think he's that good, and I think they should go into it with the mindset that they will do whatever it takes to make him like NY and re-sign him whether now or at the end of the season.
I'm not sure how many teams would be willing to outbid that package. Only a handful of teams will likely be at the table to pay him $400-500M, and I would expect that only teams who realistically will try to re-sign him would enter the trade talks now.
I'm very likely in the minority on this point -- but I'd quite frankly rather have Soto than Ohtani. Largely due to his age, but that's how good I think he is.
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Very good defensive CF who can keep the spot warm until Dominguez gets back. But if they miss out on Soto and Bellinger to sign Kiermaier, that would be pretty bad -- similar to when the Yanks passed on the loaded SS FA class to sign IKF
numbers I've seen speculated for KK are in the range of $20M over 2 years. Not my money, but they do seem to operate with limits. Kiermaier posted a 104 wRC+ last year (which was his best season in the last 6), and expected metrics would suggest that it was better than he deserved. I'd just as soon bring back Bader for less money if we are talking about a seat-warming situation.
I'm all for ramping up left-handedness in the lineup....with good hitters. And KK is not a good hitter.
KK is an excellent OF, probably better than Bader. He is awful at the plate. Rays batted him 8th or 9th, IIRC?
yes, something like that. It's all about offense to me. Offense is the reason that the Yankees have sucked in recent years (relative to their own standard). Complete players are great, but I'm absolutely willing to sacrifice a little bit of defense especially for an elite bat. Soto can credibly play the outfield. It absolutely isn't his strength but a lot of the commentary about his shortcomings with the glove are overcooked.
these things are subjective, of course. and you are right that the trade price matters.
My opinion is based on 2 beliefs:
1) I view Soto as a surefire first ballot hall of famer when it's said and done. He's one of the best hitters I've watched. He's got a career .946 OPS, and he hasn't even had any of those years yet that you can point to and say "I'll be that's his career year". In every year of his career post age 21, he has walked more than he has struck out. He's 25 years old and very likely has not peaked yet.
2) I don't think it will take tippy-top tier prospects to land him. His agent has been vocal about no extension until FA, and everyone knows that San Diego is a financial dumpster fire right now. They are under some duress to unload money, and everyone knows it. I think it can be done without a Domniguez, Volpe, Peraza. If the lead piece is a Spencer Jones or Drew Thorpe, I think that's fine price to pay.
A package like Thorpe, Schmidt, Pereira wouldn't bother me at all. I think he's that good, and I think they should go into it with the mindset that they will do whatever it takes to make him like NY and re-sign him whether now or at the end of the season.
I'm not sure how many teams would be willing to outbid that package. Only a handful of teams will likely be at the table to pay him $400-500M, and I would expect that only teams who realistically will try to re-sign him would enter the trade talks now.
I'm very likely in the minority on this point -- but I'd quite frankly rather have Soto than Ohtani. Largely due to his age, but that's how good I think he is.
I can agree with this...
as far as Ohtani, I am not so fond of him requiring a team to let him pitch as well as DH full time. Either be a pitcher or a fielder/DH, eve if he is a remarkable player.
You did say someONE...ok
But I think trading a boatload for Soto without a long term deal in hand is insane. If the people included are 2nd level prospects ok. Maybe you give up one top prospect and a couple 2nd levels, but why would you give up a treasure trove for a 1 year rental. Yes they could use his bat(or any bat), without question. But a liability in the field...
Now if they can off load Stanton, absolutely. That changes everything.
Most of the Yankees prospects are 2nd level prospects anyways if Volpe and Dominguez aren't on the table, especially if they mostly want MLB or near-MLB pitching. I'd imagine King and/or Schmidt will need to be in the deal to get it done (more likely King but who knows).
Baseball America has:
55. Dominguez
69. Pereira
76. Jones
96. Thorpe
You mean all 11 games Dominguez played?
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I am reading comments that the Yankees should avoid Juan Soto and take a safer path with Kevin Keirmaier.
I'll be dipped in shit and covered in rainbow sprinkles.
Actually,if they do trade for Soto,Kiermaier would probably be the other LH hitting OF they sign. Yanks seem committed to Dominguez as their CF,so when he returns June/July,Kiermaier becomes the backup OF & for those crying about Soto's defense,he could replace him in late innings(although I wouldn't want to take his bat out of the lineup). Acquiring both Soto & Bellinger won't work unless they somehow can move Stanton,so once Dominguez returns, they could rotate OFers in the DH spot.
Sure - there's a version of the world where Keirmaier makes sense here...as a stopgap. But if that is anywhere close to the biggest move of the outfield "upgrade", they did not understand the assignment.
More specifically, it makes my head spin to see someone say that they hope the Yankees pass on a Soto trade and head in the direction of a Kevin Kiermaier. Opinions are just that, and mine is that take is batshit crazy.
As I said previously,If they trade for Soto,Kiermaier makes sense from a financial & team standpoint. He certainly wouldn't be the major OF upgrade, but would fit in perfectly.short & long term! If the Soto deal falls through, I then could see them going after Bellinger & Lee!
You mean 4 HRs in only 8 games doesn't light it up for you. Watch games,don't read lists. I've watched JD play over the last 2 years for Somerset & SWB (milb.com) & the kid is special. A switch hitting,power laden,great defensive CF with excellent speed.....sounds like how Mantle was described.You don't trade a kid like that for a rental. Now,I expect Spencer Jones will be included & he has the potential to be a lefty Judge. I'd hate to give him up,but you have to give to get! Just not Dominguez!
I suppose they survived Reggie Jackson in RF.
The Yankees should pair Soto with a fast CFer who has great range. It's doable. Just me grousing I guess.
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MLB Top 100 Prospects has Jones, Dominguez, and Pereira ranked 74th, 75th, and 76th (oddly enough) in their top 100; with Hampton and Thorpe 95th and 99th. Of course, opinions vary and I imagine Baseball America has them ranked differently, but I don't think anyone has them in their top 20 or 30. You don't want to sell the farm, but--individually speaking--none of them should be a dealbreaker.
You mean 4 HRs in only 8 games doesn't light it up for you. Watch games,don't read lists. I've watched JD play over the last 2 years for Somerset & SWB (milb.com) & the kid is special. A switch hitting,power laden,great defensive CF with excellent speed.....sounds like how Mantle was described.You don't trade a kid like that for a rental. Now,I expect Spencer Jones will be included & he has the potential to be a lefty Judge. I'd hate to give him up,but you have to give to get! Just not Dominguez!
Why not keep both and don't trade for a 270 hitter with 30 HR pop who sucks in the field?