MLB Top 100 Prospects has Jones, Dominguez, and Pereira ranked 74th, 75th, and 76th (oddly enough) in their top 100; with Hampton and Thorpe 95th and 99th. Of course, opinions vary and I imagine Baseball America has them ranked differently, but I don't think anyone has them in their top 20 or 30. You don't want to sell the farm, but--individually speaking--none of them should be a dealbreaker.
You mean 4 HRs in only 8 games doesn't light it up for you. Watch games,don't read lists. I've watched JD play over the last 2 years for Somerset & SWB (milb.com) & the kid is special. A switch hitting,power laden,great defensive CF with excellent speed.....sounds like how Mantle was described.You don't trade a kid like that for a rental. Now,I expect Spencer Jones will be included & he has the potential to be a lefty Judge. I'd hate to give him up,but you have to give to get! Just not Dominguez!
Why not keep both and don't trade for a 270 hitter with 30 HR pop who sucks in the field?
Yeah, let's run it back and pass on trading for one of the best hitters in the sport. Surely Judge will hit 70 HR's next year to get us over the hump.
big thing that people overlook with Soto is the walks. Led the majors in walks last year. Third in the majors in OBP, behind Acuna and Ohtani. So you're getting a .275-.280 hitter, 100 RBIs, 30-35 homers and on base all the time, setting the table for Judge.
Stated that the Padres and Yankees are far apart on a deal but the Blue Jays have entered as a suitor.
Olney was on Kay and said everyone is likely going to be completely underwhelmed by the return the Padres get and that there just aren’t many teams in on Soto because of his pending free agency.
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What could ultimately lead the Yankees and Padres closer to an agreement are talks centered around Clarke Schmidt and other prospects. Dominguez, volpe, peraza, wells, Torres currently not involved
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What could ultimately lead the Yankees and Padres closer to an agreement are talks centered around Clarke Schmidt and other prospects. Dominguez, volpe, peraza, wells, Torres currently not involved
If none of those guys are involved make the deal. Can’t let him go to Toronto
Reporting there's a chasm in between the two teams. Yanks don't want to include Thorpe or King. Padres not happy and Yanks might turn their attention elsewhere for now.
TL/DR: King, Thorpe, Brito, Vazquez. 1-2 more prospects and Cash is too much for Soto, Yankees believe. Yankees are not properly valuing Soto yet, Padres believe.
I can understand why they’re pushing Schmidt over King
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What could ultimately lead the Yankees and Padres closer to an agreement are talks centered around Clarke Schmidt and other prospects. Dominguez, volpe, peraza, wells, Torres currently not involved
If none of those guys are involved make the deal. Can’t let him go to Toronto
I’m not sure I believe the Toronto thing. Word is they have Ohtani at the top of their list. In light of the news the Yanks are playing hard ball this just seems like the Padres leaking a bogus scenario to get the Yankees attention. What better way than to throw out a divisional rival? The timing is too suspect here, imo
RE: I can understand why they’re pushing Schmidt over King
to try and gain leverage with the Yankees which given reports before today seemed to indicate they had little. They're not going to trade Tiedemann and he's their main chip as far as MLB-ready starters go.
While risky, reports are similar to how Cashman has always operated/negotiated deals. We know he's stubborn though and could overplay his hand.
Padres gave away Abrams, Gore, Hassell, Wood, and Susana, none
of the prospects being talked about from the Yanks are anywhere near the top 4. But Soto couldn't uplift the Padres despite having 3 other top hitters and the NL Cy Young on the team. And he's one year closer to free agency.
He's exactly what the Yanks need, if not for Stanton taking up the DH spot for the next few years. Unless Seattle offers 3/5 of their starting rotation, I wouldn't be in a hurry to include King or Thorpe.
RE: We also need to pay him 400M plus and petition the league
to put 2 fielders in LF and without a 3B if Volpe’s defensive metrics are to be believed.
Give them Schimdt, Hampton, both Brito and Vasquez, plus Pereira. But not more than that.
If the Yanks do end up trading for Soto (and signing him), I would seriously consider trying Judge at first and moving Soto to RF. I think Judge is a good enough athlete to play first.
of the prospects being talked about from the Yanks are anywhere near the top 4. But Soto couldn't uplift the Padres despite having 3 other top hitters and the NL Cy Young on the team. And he's one year closer to free agency.
He's exactly what the Yanks need, if not for Stanton taking up the DH spot for the next few years. Unless Seattle offers 3/5 of their starting rotation, I wouldn't be in a hurry to include King or Thorpe.
This sort of reminds me of the Knicks with Donovan Mitchell. While it might be true today that the Yankees are mostly bidding against themselves, that doesn't mean another team won't come out of the woodwork and put together a better offer than what they're asking for from the Yankees now. Unlike with Mitchell though, you have the added risk of Ohtani signing and then the suitors who are left out jumping in with desperation offers.
He's been CONSTANTLY injured these past several years and even on the rare occurence when he is healthy; he hasn't been good. Him getting $13 million for one year is hilarous. Good for him to take a terribly run team for a ride, though. Good for him.
Why would anyone have an issue with Severino being gone?
MLB Top 100 Prospects has Jones, Dominguez, and Pereira ranked 74th, 75th, and 76th (oddly enough) in their top 100; with Hampton and Thorpe 95th and 99th. Of course, opinions vary and I imagine Baseball America has them ranked differently, but I don't think anyone has them in their top 20 or 30. You don't want to sell the farm, but--individually speaking--none of them should be a dealbreaker.
You mean 4 HRs in only 8 games doesn't light it up for you. Watch games,don't read lists. I've watched JD play over the last 2 years for Somerset & SWB (milb.com) & the kid is special. A switch hitting,power laden,great defensive CF with excellent speed.....sounds like how Mantle was described.You don't trade a kid like that for a rental. Now,I expect Spencer Jones will be included & he has the potential to be a lefty Judge. I'd hate to give him up,but you have to give to get! Just not Dominguez!
Why not keep both and don't trade for a 270 hitter with 30 HR pop who sucks in the field?
This is one of those posts that is more than likely going to age poorly. For his age his production so far has him on an easy hall of Fame trajectory.
It'll be funny if they describe him as a shitty fielding 270 hitter with 30 hr pop at his Cooperstown induction ceremony.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Dominguez hasn't exactly lit it up since his arrival...
MLB Top 100 Prospects has Jones, Dominguez, and Pereira ranked 74th, 75th, and 76th (oddly enough) in their top 100; with Hampton and Thorpe 95th and 99th. Of course, opinions vary and I imagine Baseball America has them ranked differently, but I don't think anyone has them in their top 20 or 30. You don't want to sell the farm, but--individually speaking--none of them should be a dealbreaker.
You mean 4 HRs in only 8 games doesn't light it up for you. Watch games,don't read lists. I've watched JD play over the last 2 years for Somerset & SWB (milb.com) & the kid is special. A switch hitting,power laden,great defensive CF with excellent speed.....sounds like how Mantle was described.You don't trade a kid like that for a rental. Now,I expect Spencer Jones will be included & he has the potential to be a lefty Judge. I'd hate to give him up,but you have to give to get! Just not Dominguez!
Why not keep both and don't trade for a 270 hitter with 30 HR pop who sucks in the field?
This is one of those posts that is more than likely going to age poorly. For his age his production so far has him on an easy hall of Fame trajectory.
It'll be funny if they describe him as a shitty fielding 270 hitter with 30 hr pop at his Cooperstown induction ceremony.
I would never understand someone not wanting a top 5 bat in the league who hasn't even hit his prime.
RE: RE: We also need to pay him 400M plus and petition the league
to put 2 fielders in LF and without a 3B if Volpe’s defensive metrics are to be believed.
Give them Schimdt, Hampton, both Brito and Vasquez, plus Pereira. But not more than that.
If the Yanks do end up trading for Soto (and signing him), I would seriously consider trying Judge at first and moving Soto to RF. I think Judge is a good enough athlete to play first.
Why would you take a Gold Glove RF & move him to first,weakening 2 positions?
RE: RE: RE: Dominguez hasn't exactly lit it up since his arrival...
MLB Top 100 Prospects has Jones, Dominguez, and Pereira ranked 74th, 75th, and 76th (oddly enough) in their top 100; with Hampton and Thorpe 95th and 99th. Of course, opinions vary and I imagine Baseball America has them ranked differently, but I don't think anyone has them in their top 20 or 30. You don't want to sell the farm, but--individually speaking--none of them should be a dealbreaker.
You mean 4 HRs in only 8 games doesn't light it up for you. Watch games,don't read lists. I've watched JD play over the last 2 years for Somerset & SWB (milb.com) & the kid is special. A switch hitting,power laden,great defensive CF with excellent speed.....sounds like how Mantle was described.You don't trade a kid like that for a rental. Now,I expect Spencer Jones will be included & he has the potential to be a lefty Judge. I'd hate to give him up,but you have to give to get! Just not Dominguez!
Why not keep both and don't trade for a 270 hitter with 30 HR pop who sucks in the field?
C'mon, that's what you think of Soto? You're in a group of 1!
RE: RE: RE: RE: Dominguez hasn't exactly lit it up since his arrival...
MLB Top 100 Prospects has Jones, Dominguez, and Pereira ranked 74th, 75th, and 76th (oddly enough) in their top 100; with Hampton and Thorpe 95th and 99th. Of course, opinions vary and I imagine Baseball America has them ranked differently, but I don't think anyone has them in their top 20 or 30. You don't want to sell the farm, but--individually speaking--none of them should be a dealbreaker.
You mean 4 HRs in only 8 games doesn't light it up for you. Watch games,don't read lists. I've watched JD play over the last 2 years for Somerset & SWB (milb.com) & the kid is special. A switch hitting,power laden,great defensive CF with excellent speed.....sounds like how Mantle was described.You don't trade a kid like that for a rental. Now,I expect Spencer Jones will be included & he has the potential to be a lefty Judge. I'd hate to give him up,but you have to give to get! Just not Dominguez!
Why not keep both and don't trade for a 270 hitter with 30 HR pop who sucks in the field?
C'mon, that's what you think of Soto? You're in a group of 1!
I don't know...what I see is an above average, for this day and age, player. He hits for modest power, bats about .280 for his career, doesn't steal bases, is a minus fielder, and his BB/K ratio isn't that great. He's a lefty, which is a plus in the lineup. None of that screams generational talent to me. Once again, the Yanks are going for the shiny object that will cost them half the farm and more than half a billion to sign. Feels like Stanton 2.0 to me.
People really thought he was going to moonwalk into the hall of fame on the first ballot after what he had accomplished through 2021 at age 23. He hasn’t been exactly the same caliber of hitter the past 2 seasons, but that’s a very big relative let down. He’s still a highly productive hitter and worth acquiring for the likes of Michael King
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Dominguez hasn't exactly lit it up since his arrival...
MLB Top 100 Prospects has Jones, Dominguez, and Pereira ranked 74th, 75th, and 76th (oddly enough) in their top 100; with Hampton and Thorpe 95th and 99th. Of course, opinions vary and I imagine Baseball America has them ranked differently, but I don't think anyone has them in their top 20 or 30. You don't want to sell the farm, but--individually speaking--none of them should be a dealbreaker.
You mean 4 HRs in only 8 games doesn't light it up for you. Watch games,don't read lists. I've watched JD play over the last 2 years for Somerset & SWB (milb.com) & the kid is special. A switch hitting,power laden,great defensive CF with excellent speed.....sounds like how Mantle was described.You don't trade a kid like that for a rental. Now,I expect Spencer Jones will be included & he has the potential to be a lefty Judge. I'd hate to give him up,but you have to give to get! Just not Dominguez!
Why not keep both and don't trade for a 270 hitter with 30 HR pop who sucks in the field?
C'mon, that's what you think of Soto? You're in a group of 1!
I don't know...what I see is an above average, for this day and age, player. He hits for modest power, bats about .280 for his career, doesn't steal bases, is a minus fielder, and his BB/K ratio isn't that great. He's a lefty, which is a plus in the lineup. None of that screams generational talent to me. Once again, the Yanks are going for the shiny object that will cost them half the farm and more than half a billion to sign. Feels like Stanton 2.0 to me.
Wow,just wow! His BB/K ratio isn't that great? He's led the league in BBs 3 years,including last year where he walked(132)more than he struck out(129).His OBP is always over .400,had 12 SBs last year(so he can run).He's only 25 & has yet to peak.Let's get him in Pinstripes for next season & see if you're calling him an "Above Average Player" next October!
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Dominguez hasn't exactly lit it up since his arrival...
MLB Top 100 Prospects has Jones, Dominguez, and Pereira ranked 74th, 75th, and 76th (oddly enough) in their top 100; with Hampton and Thorpe 95th and 99th. Of course, opinions vary and I imagine Baseball America has them ranked differently, but I don't think anyone has them in their top 20 or 30. You don't want to sell the farm, but--individually speaking--none of them should be a dealbreaker.
You mean 4 HRs in only 8 games doesn't light it up for you. Watch games,don't read lists. I've watched JD play over the last 2 years for Somerset & SWB (milb.com) & the kid is special. A switch hitting,power laden,great defensive CF with excellent speed.....sounds like how Mantle was described.You don't trade a kid like that for a rental. Now,I expect Spencer Jones will be included & he has the potential to be a lefty Judge. I'd hate to give him up,but you have to give to get! Just not Dominguez!
Why not keep both and don't trade for a 270 hitter with 30 HR pop who sucks in the field?
C'mon, that's what you think of Soto? You're in a group of 1!
I don't know...what I see is an above average, for this day and age, player. He hits for modest power, bats about .280 for his career, doesn't steal bases, is a minus fielder, and his BB/K ratio isn't that great. He's a lefty, which is a plus in the lineup. None of that screams generational talent to me. Once again, the Yanks are going for the shiny object that will cost them half the farm and more than half a billion to sign. Feels like Stanton 2.0 to me.
Not even close. Stanton being as big as he is, was bound to breakdown. And look at the age difference!!!!
I want him with Dominguez in CF. I really like that kid. I would push a package with one of Volpe or Peraza instead of Dominguez, plus a pitcher.
I'm not sure I would make King the sticking point, like the Yankees are apparently trying initially. I like King, but overall their development of starting pitching has not been stellar and he is nowhere near special, which Soto is.
I want him with Dominguez in CF. I really like that kid. I would push a package with one of Volpe or Peraza instead of Dominguez, plus a pitcher.
I'm not sure I would make King the sticking point, like the Yankees are apparently trying initially. I like King, but overall their development of starting pitching has not been stellar and he is nowhere near special, which Soto is.
I haven’t really seen that the Padres are insisting on any of Dominguez, Volpe or Peraza. At least from anyone reputable. It seems there strong preference is young, cost controlled SP
What I don't want to see is we lose out on all the top players and end
up with Bellinger on a 6/175M contract and Snell 6/210M.
Schmidt, Brito, Vazquez and Hampton are 4 present or almost ready SP they can plug in this year. Plus Pereira. Peraza probably isn't as appealing to them because of Merrill.
If we have to sub Jones for Pereira, so be it. I don't know if there is enough separation in between Hampton and Thorpe to let it be a sticking point.
None of them are top 30 prospects, given our recent track record probably at most 1 of the lot will turn into anything.
King I'd like to keep though.
How about we take Soto and Tatis and they take back
up with Bellinger on a 6/175M contract and Snell 6/210M.
Schmidt, Brito, Vazquez and Hampton are 4 present or almost ready SP they can plug in this year. Plus Pereira. Peraza probably isn't as appealing to them because of Merrill.
If we have to sub Jones for Pereira, so be it. I don't know if there is enough separation in between Hampton and Thorpe to let it be a sticking point.
None of them are top 30 prospects, given our recent track record probably at most 1 of the lot will turn into anything.
King I'd like to keep though.
Given Cashman's recent track record (Ellsbury being the exception), more likely I think he would instead try to prove he's the smartest guy in the room by acquiring players on the cheap that at best would improve the team a bit at the margins. To me, that is the worst case scenario.
RE: How about we take Soto and Tatis and they take back
Stanton? Tatis would be great in our LF. Soto could DH.
With the passing of their owner, shedding those mega contracts may be more important than winning right now.
There's no way they can sell their fanbase on losing all their key FA's and 2 of their 3 best players after the albatross contract they gave Bogaerts last year. Plus Tatis has a lot of value on that contract at his age, if they just wanted to shed his salary they could get a good return from another team.
Stanton? Tatis would be great in our LF. Soto could DH.
With the passing of their owner, shedding those mega contracts may be more important than winning right now.
There are rumors that Soto and Tatis can’t stand each other. And neither one can stand Machado. They had some pretty significant locker room issues last season, which may explain their completely disappointing season
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Dominguez hasn't exactly lit it up since his arrival...
MLB Top 100 Prospects has Jones, Dominguez, and Pereira ranked 74th, 75th, and 76th (oddly enough) in their top 100; with Hampton and Thorpe 95th and 99th. Of course, opinions vary and I imagine Baseball America has them ranked differently, but I don't think anyone has them in their top 20 or 30. You don't want to sell the farm, but--individually speaking--none of them should be a dealbreaker.
You mean 4 HRs in only 8 games doesn't light it up for you. Watch games,don't read lists. I've watched JD play over the last 2 years for Somerset & SWB (milb.com) & the kid is special. A switch hitting,power laden,great defensive CF with excellent speed.....sounds like how Mantle was described.You don't trade a kid like that for a rental. Now,I expect Spencer Jones will be included & he has the potential to be a lefty Judge. I'd hate to give him up,but you have to give to get! Just not Dominguez!
Why not keep both and don't trade for a 270 hitter with 30 HR pop who sucks in the field?
C'mon, that's what you think of Soto? You're in a group of 1!
I don't know...what I see is an above average, for this day and age, player. He hits for modest power, bats about .280 for his career, doesn't steal bases, is a minus fielder, and his BB/K ratio isn't that great. He's a lefty, which is a plus in the lineup. None of that screams generational talent to me. Once again, the Yanks are going for the shiny object that will cost them half the farm and more than half a billion to sign. Feels like Stanton 2.0 to me.
How can you possibly say his BB/K ratio isn't that great in today's game? That's a baffling statement.
if the Yankees can get Soto without Dominguez or Volpe or anyone like that it's a massive win, obviously need to see the other players they do trade but it's basically Manhattan for trinkets redux.
if they add Yamamoto too the Yankees are like one of the NBA super teams.
what Yankees fan is against trading for Soto? You don't get 25 year olds come available with his skill set very often, if ever.
if the Yankees can get Soto without Dominguez or Volpe or anyone like that it's a massive win, obviously need to see the other players they do trade but it's basically Manhattan for trinkets redux.
if they add Yamamoto too the Yankees are like one of the NBA super teams.
what Yankees fan is against trading for Soto? You don't get 25 year olds come available with his skill set very often, if ever.
That’s just rnargi being rnargi…
99.9% of Yankees fans know that landing Soto without giving up Dominguez or Volpe is a no brainer
if the Yankees can get Soto without Dominguez or Volpe or anyone like that it's a massive win, obviously need to see the other players they do trade but it's basically Manhattan for trinkets redux.
if they add Yamamoto too the Yankees are like one of the NBA super teams.
what Yankees fan is against trading for Soto? You don't get 25 year olds come available with his skill set very often, if ever.
I'm with you 100%. I think some fans are just scarred by recent big acquisitions that have backfired badly. This isn't one of those though
These talks are taking on a very D.Mitchell to the Knicks vibe
With the Yanks trying to fuck up a 1 car funeral. Just make a good offer. Other teams are gonna swoop in, especially once they lose out on Ohtani. The guy is a perfect fit for this lineup and he's 25. I'm not saying give up everything but try and hold on to the Martian and Volpe but it seems like they want pitching so just offer a good package. None of our pitching prospects are untouchable. King is valuable but come on how long before he gets inevitable TJ surgery like they all do. I get he's a rental but you're not landing Soto with some sort of low ball offer.
I think they wanted him back, but not for the absurd contract he got from Seattle.
And I was fine with that....until they then blew $150 million on Ellsbury.
I would have given Cano a 10-year contract. With him, they win maybe two WS's. Without him, none. Who cares that he'll get old, useless and still cost money. These are inflationary times.
It’s all projection and nothing is guaranteed but the system
is a bit deeper than before. Cashman better not screw up the Soto trade and then give Bellinger a 200M contract to compensate.
I actually like King more than Thorpe. Thorpe throws in the low 90’s, even with a great CU and a workable slider I don’t know what his ceiling is. Schmidt has to be in the deal, apparently SD asked for both Brito and Vazquez as well, no problem there, and let’s push for Hampton instead of Thorpe. But Thorpe shouldn’t be a deal breaker. If Thorpe is included, then maybe an OF doesn’t need to be involved. I can definitely live with trading Pereira though.
Baseball-wise Soto is a no brainer, but Boras is his agent. He’s not giving a hometown discount and probably will command 450M while going to the highest bidder.
Soto to Toronto would be no bueno, but they don’t have much ML ready pitching to trade except for Tidenman.
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MLB Top 100 Prospects has Jones, Dominguez, and Pereira ranked 74th, 75th, and 76th (oddly enough) in their top 100; with Hampton and Thorpe 95th and 99th. Of course, opinions vary and I imagine Baseball America has them ranked differently, but I don't think anyone has them in their top 20 or 30. You don't want to sell the farm, but--individually speaking--none of them should be a dealbreaker.
You mean 4 HRs in only 8 games doesn't light it up for you. Watch games,don't read lists. I've watched JD play over the last 2 years for Somerset & SWB (milb.com) & the kid is special. A switch hitting,power laden,great defensive CF with excellent speed.....sounds like how Mantle was described.You don't trade a kid like that for a rental. Now,I expect Spencer Jones will be included & he has the potential to be a lefty Judge. I'd hate to give him up,but you have to give to get! Just not Dominguez!
Why not keep both and don't trade for a 270 hitter with 30 HR pop who sucks in the field?
Yeah, let's run it back and pass on trading for one of the best hitters in the sport. Surely Judge will hit 70 HR's next year to get us over the hump.
Give them Schimdt, Hampton, both Brito and Vasquez, plus Pereira. But not more than that.
DJ
Soto
Judge
Rizzo
Gleyber
Martino said they want King and cash and talks are stalled. Not sure why
Olney was on Kay and said everyone is likely going to be completely underwhelmed by the return the Padres get and that there just aren’t many teams in on Soto because of his pending free agency.
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What could ultimately lead the Yankees and Padres closer to an agreement are talks centered around Clarke Schmidt and other prospects. Dominguez, volpe, peraza, wells, Torres currently not involved
If none of those guys are involved make the deal. Can’t let him go to Toronto
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What could ultimately lead the Yankees and Padres closer to an agreement are talks centered around Clarke Schmidt and other prospects. Dominguez, volpe, peraza, wells, Torres currently not involved
If none of those guys are involved make the deal. Can’t let him go to Toronto
I’m not sure I believe the Toronto thing. Word is they have Ohtani at the top of their list. In light of the news the Yanks are playing hard ball this just seems like the Padres leaking a bogus scenario to get the Yankees attention. What better way than to throw out a divisional rival? The timing is too suspect here, imo
Apparently the Padres want BOTH
While risky, reports are similar to how Cashman has always operated/negotiated deals. We know he's stubborn though and could overplay his hand.
He's exactly what the Yanks need, if not for Stanton taking up the DH spot for the next few years. Unless Seattle offers 3/5 of their starting rotation, I wouldn't be in a hurry to include King or Thorpe.
Give them Schimdt, Hampton, both Brito and Vasquez, plus Pereira. But not more than that.
If the Yanks do end up trading for Soto (and signing him), I would seriously consider trying Judge at first and moving Soto to RF. I think Judge is a good enough athlete to play first.
He's exactly what the Yanks need, if not for Stanton taking up the DH spot for the next few years. Unless Seattle offers 3/5 of their starting rotation, I wouldn't be in a hurry to include King or Thorpe.
This sort of reminds me of the Knicks with Donovan Mitchell. While it might be true today that the Yankees are mostly bidding against themselves, that doesn't mean another team won't come out of the woodwork and put together a better offer than what they're asking for from the Yankees now. Unlike with Mitchell though, you have the added risk of Ohtani signing and then the suitors who are left out jumping in with desperation offers.
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MLB Top 100 Prospects has Jones, Dominguez, and Pereira ranked 74th, 75th, and 76th (oddly enough) in their top 100; with Hampton and Thorpe 95th and 99th. Of course, opinions vary and I imagine Baseball America has them ranked differently, but I don't think anyone has them in their top 20 or 30. You don't want to sell the farm, but--individually speaking--none of them should be a dealbreaker.
You mean 4 HRs in only 8 games doesn't light it up for you. Watch games,don't read lists. I've watched JD play over the last 2 years for Somerset & SWB (milb.com) & the kid is special. A switch hitting,power laden,great defensive CF with excellent speed.....sounds like how Mantle was described.You don't trade a kid like that for a rental. Now,I expect Spencer Jones will be included & he has the potential to be a lefty Judge. I'd hate to give him up,but you have to give to get! Just not Dominguez!
Why not keep both and don't trade for a 270 hitter with 30 HR pop who sucks in the field?
This is one of those posts that is more than likely going to age poorly. For his age his production so far has him on an easy hall of Fame trajectory.
It'll be funny if they describe him as a shitty fielding 270 hitter with 30 hr pop at his Cooperstown induction ceremony.
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MLB Top 100 Prospects has Jones, Dominguez, and Pereira ranked 74th, 75th, and 76th (oddly enough) in their top 100; with Hampton and Thorpe 95th and 99th. Of course, opinions vary and I imagine Baseball America has them ranked differently, but I don't think anyone has them in their top 20 or 30. You don't want to sell the farm, but--individually speaking--none of them should be a dealbreaker.
You mean 4 HRs in only 8 games doesn't light it up for you. Watch games,don't read lists. I've watched JD play over the last 2 years for Somerset & SWB (milb.com) & the kid is special. A switch hitting,power laden,great defensive CF with excellent speed.....sounds like how Mantle was described.You don't trade a kid like that for a rental. Now,I expect Spencer Jones will be included & he has the potential to be a lefty Judge. I'd hate to give him up,but you have to give to get! Just not Dominguez!
Why not keep both and don't trade for a 270 hitter with 30 HR pop who sucks in the field?
This is one of those posts that is more than likely going to age poorly. For his age his production so far has him on an easy hall of Fame trajectory.
It'll be funny if they describe him as a shitty fielding 270 hitter with 30 hr pop at his Cooperstown induction ceremony.
I would never understand someone not wanting a top 5 bat in the league who hasn't even hit his prime.
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to put 2 fielders in LF and without a 3B if Volpe’s defensive metrics are to be believed.
Give them Schimdt, Hampton, both Brito and Vasquez, plus Pereira. But not more than that.
If the Yanks do end up trading for Soto (and signing him), I would seriously consider trying Judge at first and moving Soto to RF. I think Judge is a good enough athlete to play first.
Why would you take a Gold Glove RF & move him to first,weakening 2 positions?
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MLB Top 100 Prospects has Jones, Dominguez, and Pereira ranked 74th, 75th, and 76th (oddly enough) in their top 100; with Hampton and Thorpe 95th and 99th. Of course, opinions vary and I imagine Baseball America has them ranked differently, but I don't think anyone has them in their top 20 or 30. You don't want to sell the farm, but--individually speaking--none of them should be a dealbreaker.
You mean 4 HRs in only 8 games doesn't light it up for you. Watch games,don't read lists. I've watched JD play over the last 2 years for Somerset & SWB (milb.com) & the kid is special. A switch hitting,power laden,great defensive CF with excellent speed.....sounds like how Mantle was described.You don't trade a kid like that for a rental. Now,I expect Spencer Jones will be included & he has the potential to be a lefty Judge. I'd hate to give him up,but you have to give to get! Just not Dominguez!
Why not keep both and don't trade for a 270 hitter with 30 HR pop who sucks in the field?
C'mon, that's what you think of Soto? You're in a group of 1!
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In comment 16309395 TheMick7 said:
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In comment 16309192 Milton said:
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MLB Top 100 Prospects has Jones, Dominguez, and Pereira ranked 74th, 75th, and 76th (oddly enough) in their top 100; with Hampton and Thorpe 95th and 99th. Of course, opinions vary and I imagine Baseball America has them ranked differently, but I don't think anyone has them in their top 20 or 30. You don't want to sell the farm, but--individually speaking--none of them should be a dealbreaker.
You mean 4 HRs in only 8 games doesn't light it up for you. Watch games,don't read lists. I've watched JD play over the last 2 years for Somerset & SWB (milb.com) & the kid is special. A switch hitting,power laden,great defensive CF with excellent speed.....sounds like how Mantle was described.You don't trade a kid like that for a rental. Now,I expect Spencer Jones will be included & he has the potential to be a lefty Judge. I'd hate to give him up,but you have to give to get! Just not Dominguez!
Why not keep both and don't trade for a 270 hitter with 30 HR pop who sucks in the field?
C'mon, that's what you think of Soto? You're in a group of 1!
I don't know...what I see is an above average, for this day and age, player. He hits for modest power, bats about .280 for his career, doesn't steal bases, is a minus fielder, and his BB/K ratio isn't that great. He's a lefty, which is a plus in the lineup. None of that screams generational talent to me. Once again, the Yanks are going for the shiny object that will cost them half the farm and more than half a billion to sign. Feels like Stanton 2.0 to me.
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In comment 16309839 rnargi said:
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In comment 16309395 TheMick7 said:
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In comment 16309192 Milton said:
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MLB Top 100 Prospects has Jones, Dominguez, and Pereira ranked 74th, 75th, and 76th (oddly enough) in their top 100; with Hampton and Thorpe 95th and 99th. Of course, opinions vary and I imagine Baseball America has them ranked differently, but I don't think anyone has them in their top 20 or 30. You don't want to sell the farm, but--individually speaking--none of them should be a dealbreaker.
You mean 4 HRs in only 8 games doesn't light it up for you. Watch games,don't read lists. I've watched JD play over the last 2 years for Somerset & SWB (milb.com) & the kid is special. A switch hitting,power laden,great defensive CF with excellent speed.....sounds like how Mantle was described.You don't trade a kid like that for a rental. Now,I expect Spencer Jones will be included & he has the potential to be a lefty Judge. I'd hate to give him up,but you have to give to get! Just not Dominguez!
Why not keep both and don't trade for a 270 hitter with 30 HR pop who sucks in the field?
C'mon, that's what you think of Soto? You're in a group of 1!
I don't know...what I see is an above average, for this day and age, player. He hits for modest power, bats about .280 for his career, doesn't steal bases, is a minus fielder, and his BB/K ratio isn't that great. He's a lefty, which is a plus in the lineup. None of that screams generational talent to me. Once again, the Yanks are going for the shiny object that will cost them half the farm and more than half a billion to sign. Feels like Stanton 2.0 to me.
Wow,just wow! His BB/K ratio isn't that great? He's led the league in BBs 3 years,including last year where he walked(132)more than he struck out(129).His OBP is always over .400,had 12 SBs last year(so he can run).He's only 25 & has yet to peak.Let's get him in Pinstripes for next season & see if you're calling him an "Above Average Player" next October!
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In comment 16309839 rnargi said:
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In comment 16309395 TheMick7 said:
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In comment 16309192 Milton said:
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MLB Top 100 Prospects has Jones, Dominguez, and Pereira ranked 74th, 75th, and 76th (oddly enough) in their top 100; with Hampton and Thorpe 95th and 99th. Of course, opinions vary and I imagine Baseball America has them ranked differently, but I don't think anyone has them in their top 20 or 30. You don't want to sell the farm, but--individually speaking--none of them should be a dealbreaker.
You mean 4 HRs in only 8 games doesn't light it up for you. Watch games,don't read lists. I've watched JD play over the last 2 years for Somerset & SWB (milb.com) & the kid is special. A switch hitting,power laden,great defensive CF with excellent speed.....sounds like how Mantle was described.You don't trade a kid like that for a rental. Now,I expect Spencer Jones will be included & he has the potential to be a lefty Judge. I'd hate to give him up,but you have to give to get! Just not Dominguez!
Why not keep both and don't trade for a 270 hitter with 30 HR pop who sucks in the field?
C'mon, that's what you think of Soto? You're in a group of 1!
I don't know...what I see is an above average, for this day and age, player. He hits for modest power, bats about .280 for his career, doesn't steal bases, is a minus fielder, and his BB/K ratio isn't that great. He's a lefty, which is a plus in the lineup. None of that screams generational talent to me. Once again, the Yanks are going for the shiny object that will cost them half the farm and more than half a billion to sign. Feels like Stanton 2.0 to me.
Not even close. Stanton being as big as he is, was bound to breakdown. And look at the age difference!!!!
I'm not sure I would make King the sticking point, like the Yankees are apparently trying initially. I like King, but overall their development of starting pitching has not been stellar and he is nowhere near special, which Soto is.
I'm not sure I would make King the sticking point, like the Yankees are apparently trying initially. I like King, but overall their development of starting pitching has not been stellar and he is nowhere near special, which Soto is.
I haven’t really seen that the Padres are insisting on any of Dominguez, Volpe or Peraza. At least from anyone reputable. It seems there strong preference is young, cost controlled SP
Schmidt, Brito, Vazquez and Hampton are 4 present or almost ready SP they can plug in this year. Plus Pereira. Peraza probably isn't as appealing to them because of Merrill.
If we have to sub Jones for Pereira, so be it. I don't know if there is enough separation in between Hampton and Thorpe to let it be a sticking point.
None of them are top 30 prospects, given our recent track record probably at most 1 of the lot will turn into anything.
King I'd like to keep though.
With the passing of their owner, shedding those mega contracts may be more important than winning right now.
Schmidt, Brito, Vazquez and Hampton are 4 present or almost ready SP they can plug in this year. Plus Pereira. Peraza probably isn't as appealing to them because of Merrill.
If we have to sub Jones for Pereira, so be it. I don't know if there is enough separation in between Hampton and Thorpe to let it be a sticking point.
None of them are top 30 prospects, given our recent track record probably at most 1 of the lot will turn into anything.
King I'd like to keep though.
Given Cashman's recent track record (Ellsbury being the exception), more likely I think he would instead try to prove he's the smartest guy in the room by acquiring players on the cheap that at best would improve the team a bit at the margins. To me, that is the worst case scenario.
With the passing of their owner, shedding those mega contracts may be more important than winning right now.
There's no way they can sell their fanbase on losing all their key FA's and 2 of their 3 best players after the albatross contract they gave Bogaerts last year. Plus Tatis has a lot of value on that contract at his age, if they just wanted to shed his salary they could get a good return from another team.
With the passing of their owner, shedding those mega contracts may be more important than winning right now.
There are rumors that Soto and Tatis can’t stand each other. And neither one can stand Machado. They had some pretty significant locker room issues last season, which may explain their completely disappointing season
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In comment 16309192 Milton said:
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MLB Top 100 Prospects has Jones, Dominguez, and Pereira ranked 74th, 75th, and 76th (oddly enough) in their top 100; with Hampton and Thorpe 95th and 99th. Of course, opinions vary and I imagine Baseball America has them ranked differently, but I don't think anyone has them in their top 20 or 30. You don't want to sell the farm, but--individually speaking--none of them should be a dealbreaker.
You mean 4 HRs in only 8 games doesn't light it up for you. Watch games,don't read lists. I've watched JD play over the last 2 years for Somerset & SWB (milb.com) & the kid is special. A switch hitting,power laden,great defensive CF with excellent speed.....sounds like how Mantle was described.You don't trade a kid like that for a rental. Now,I expect Spencer Jones will be included & he has the potential to be a lefty Judge. I'd hate to give him up,but you have to give to get! Just not Dominguez!
Why not keep both and don't trade for a 270 hitter with 30 HR pop who sucks in the field?
C'mon, that's what you think of Soto? You're in a group of 1!
I don't know...what I see is an above average, for this day and age, player. He hits for modest power, bats about .280 for his career, doesn't steal bases, is a minus fielder, and his BB/K ratio isn't that great. He's a lefty, which is a plus in the lineup. None of that screams generational talent to me. Once again, the Yanks are going for the shiny object that will cost them half the farm and more than half a billion to sign. Feels like Stanton 2.0 to me.
How can you possibly say his BB/K ratio isn't that great in today's game? That's a baffling statement.
if they add Yamamoto too the Yankees are like one of the NBA super teams.
what Yankees fan is against trading for Soto? You don't get 25 year olds come available with his skill set very often, if ever.
if they add Yamamoto too the Yankees are like one of the NBA super teams.
what Yankees fan is against trading for Soto? You don't get 25 year olds come available with his skill set very often, if ever.
That’s just rnargi being rnargi…
99.9% of Yankees fans know that landing Soto without giving up Dominguez or Volpe is a no brainer
if they add Yamamoto too the Yankees are like one of the NBA super teams.
what Yankees fan is against trading for Soto? You don't get 25 year olds come available with his skill set very often, if ever.
I'm with you 100%. I think some fans are just scarred by recent big acquisitions that have backfired badly. This isn't one of those though
Get Yammamoto, Soto and Bellinger/Lee and add from there.
Spend the money to support the huge dollars tied up in Cole and Judge or move both of them.
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And I don’t think they really wanted him back
I think they wanted him back, but not for the absurd contract he got from Seattle.
And I was fine with that....until they then blew $150 million on Ellsbury.
I would have given Cano a 10-year contract. With him, they win maybe two WS's. Without him, none. Who cares that he'll get old, useless and still cost money. These are inflationary times.
I actually like King more than Thorpe. Thorpe throws in the low 90’s, even with a great CU and a workable slider I don’t know what his ceiling is. Schmidt has to be in the deal, apparently SD asked for both Brito and Vazquez as well, no problem there, and let’s push for Hampton instead of Thorpe. But Thorpe shouldn’t be a deal breaker. If Thorpe is included, then maybe an OF doesn’t need to be involved. I can definitely live with trading Pereira though.
Baseball-wise Soto is a no brainer, but Boras is his agent. He’s not giving a hometown discount and probably will command 450M while going to the highest bidder.
Soto to Toronto would be no bueno, but they don’t have much ML ready pitching to trade except for Tidenman.