is a bit deeper than before. Cashman better not screw up the Soto trade and then give Bellinger a 200M contract to compensate.
I actually like King more than Thorpe. Thorpe throws in the low 90’s, even with a great CU and a workable slider I don’t know what his ceiling is. Schmidt has to be in the deal, apparently SD asked for both Brito and Vazquez as well, no problem there, and let’s push for Hampton instead of Thorpe. But Thorpe shouldn’t be a deal breaker. If Thorpe is included, then maybe an OF doesn’t need to be involved. I can definitely live with trading Pereira though.
Baseball-wise Soto is a no brainer, but Boras is his agent. He’s not giving a hometown discount and probably will command 450M while going to the highest bidder.
Soto to Toronto would be no bueno, but they don’t have much ML ready pitching to trade except for Tidenman.
I like King but the injury history is worrisome and they'd be selling high with only 2 years of control left anyways. It'd hurt to part with him but as a centerpiece of a Soto deal I think it's a no-brainer. Just a question of what else has to go with him.
RE: RE: Dominguez hasn't exactly lit it up since his arrival...
I think they wanted him back, but not for the absurd contract he got from Seattle.
And I was fine with that....until they then blew $150 million on Ellsbury.
I would have given Cano a 10-year contract. With him, they win maybe two WS's. Without him, none. Who cares that he'll get old, useless and still cost money. These are inflationary times.
I thought the Yankees handled him just fine and looking back it seems correct. His 5 years in Seattle he was not as good as his time in NY and the 5 years after that he fell off a cliff, including a suspension.
For Soto, there are no pitchers I would feel strongly enough
You mean 4 HRs in only 8 games doesn't light it up for you. Watch games,don't read lists. I've watched JD play over the last 2 years for Somerset & SWB (milb.com) & the kid is special. A switch hitting,power laden,great defensive CF with excellent speed.....sounds like how Mantle was described.You don't trade a kid like that for a rental.
I didn't just fall off the turnip truck, I've been following Dominguez since they first signed him. I know all about his special skillset, but he has been at best streaky on his way up the minor league ladder.
I'm not a scout and neither are you. I don't think going to games at Somerset makes you more informed or better able to evaluate him than the guys who put together the lists for Baseball America or MLB.com. They're certainly more informed than I am and given their current opinion, I don't think he should stand in the way of landing Soto (who I don't view as a one-year rental because I think trading for him makes it far more likely than not that he signs a longterm deal at some point).
RE: RE: RE: Dominguez hasn't exactly lit it up since his arrival...
You mean 4 HRs in only 8 games doesn't light it up for you. Watch games,don't read lists. I've watched JD play over the last 2 years for Somerset & SWB (milb.com) & the kid is special. A switch hitting,power laden,great defensive CF with excellent speed.....sounds like how Mantle was described.You don't trade a kid like that for a rental.
I didn't just fall off the turnip truck, I've been following Dominguez since they first signed him. I know all about his special skillset, but he has been at best streaky on his way up the minor league ladder.
I'm not a scout and neither are you. I don't think going to games at Somerset makes you more informed or better able to evaluate him than the guys who put together the lists for Baseball America or MLB.com. They're certainly more informed than I am and given their current opinion, I don't think he should stand in the way of landing Soto (who I don't view as a one-year rental because I think trading for him makes it far more likely than not that he signs a longterm deal at some point).
He was playing over his age group at every level and he started to turn it on in AA. I would not deal him without more back from San Diego. Soto is gone next year. They will get a decent deal but they are not entitled to fleece the Yanks.
they want in trades. But the Padres aren’t “entitled to fleece the Yankees”. Lol. The Padres should be content with “a decent deal”.
Haha, peak entitled Yankee fan shit there.
Mets Fan?
It is not entitled. You don't get fleeced by a team that knows it is going to lose a player in FA next year. Padres should look for their best deal, but you do not overpay.
RE: RE: Most teams have to overpay for big-time players that
they want in trades. But the Padres aren’t “entitled to fleece the Yankees”. Lol. The Padres should be content with “a decent deal”.
Haha, peak entitled Yankee fan shit there.
Mets Fan?
It is not entitled. You don't get fleeced by a team that knows it is going to lose a player in FA next year. Padres should look for their best deal, but you do not overpay.
Especially when the Padres are so broke that they had to take loans to make payroll.
Looks like the Martian is back at #1, and rated to be the fastest runner, best power and best arm. Hampton has the best FB and curve. They have both Jones and Peraza in the projected 2027 lineup. Arias looks to be highly rated now too.
Don’t have the actual list tho.
RE: BA’s top 10 for Yankees supposed to drop today.
Looks like the Martian is back at #1, and rated to be the fastest runner, best power and best arm. Hampton has the best FB and curve. They have both Jones and Peraza in the projected 2027 lineup. Arias looks to be highly rated now too.
Don’t have the actual list tho.
Full list is:
1. Jasson
2. Spencer Jones
3. Pereira
4. Hampton
5. Arias
6. Wells
7. Thorpe
8. Lalane
9. Lombard
10. Warren
Brandon Wile
@Brandon_N_Wile
Shi on the Blue Jays and Juan Soto
"The sense that I've gotten, unless that price changes from San Diego's current demands, I'm not sure the Blue Jays are involved. But everything in this market (is) very fluid, things can change very quickly."
We'll see what happens but the leaks about Toronto reek of SD trying to put pressure on the Yankees after the Yankees leaked their ask for Soto. Link - ( New Window )
on Soto:
"Other clubs -- including the Blue Jays -- remain engaged on Soto, as well, but if he’s going to be traded this week, it’s starting to feel like it’s the Yankees or bust."
On Yamamoto:
"The Yankees, Mets, Red Sox, Giants and Dodgers are among the teams believed to be targeting Yamamoto, though most people inside the industry believe it could very well come down to an old-fashioned bidding war between the two New York clubs."
Curry usually has the best read on what's going on with the Yankees. Some things he's said so far:
- The Yankees know getting Soto is a move they have to make
- Preller and Cashman have a good relationship and the two sides will "make their way back to each other"
- Reiterated the Padres asked for 7 players and for the Yankees to take on additional salary beyond Soto. Did say he thinks the Yankees are willing to pay a price that "will hurt" but not 7 players
- Yankees will try very hard to hang onto King and see if they can get a deal done without him (didn't say King was untouchable though)
- Yankees feel that there are few teams willing to take on Soto's salary + give up what it'll take to get Soto
- On Yamamoto, the Yankees really want him and feel good about their chances. "When was the last time Brian Cashman flew to Japan to see a player?" Also mentioned Matsui will help recruit him
- They really want to land both Soto and Yamamoto
Pretty surprising to me how confident he seems about Soto. Not sure I've ever heard him talk more passionately about the Yankees needing a player (Soto) before a deal was done. Usually the Yankees use him to temper expectations, so I think we can assume they're confident about getting Soto and to a lesser extent, Yamamoto.
Read through some of Josh Norris' chat this afternoon, so.....
All the drama with Cashman and Stanton’s agent was going on, I said the Yankees will have Matsui talk to Yamamoto to sooth things over. I wouldn’t be surprised not to hear from Tanaka also.
All the drama with Cashman and Stanton’s agent was going on, I said the Yankees will have Matsui talk to Yamamoto to sooth things over. I wouldn’t be surprised not to hear from Tanaka also.
In the end, money talks and the bullshit walks.
The Yanks need to pull a Tampa Rays, keep the legit prospects and
trade aways the pretenders before they are exposed.
Everyone will keep King over Schmidt. Neither Brito and Vazquez would be a big loss. I’d try to trade Fitts, Beeter, and Warren too.
They have to pick the right one to keep between Pereira/Jones, Thorpe/Hampton. Cashman and co haven’t been good at that. Not counting the low A lottery tickets, system is strong in SP and INF, no need to keep them all.
In retrospect, they probably should have dealt Peraza, although we don’t know what Seattle was asking.
welp, we'll soon find out if they're right or just bullshitting
he spoke to an AL executive yesterday who told him “The Yankees are telling people they’re ahead of the pack on (Yoshinobu) Yamamoto. Like, way ahead.”
Re: Yamamoto, I hadn’t really expected the Yanks to wind up with him. I figured that he’d either want to be on the west coast or they’d get outbid by the Mets (or Dodgers if they miss on Ohtani). Still might be the case, but I’m starting to think the Yanks might have intel that he wants to play for them. Especially with multiple reports now saying he wants the spotlight and is intrigued by the history and prestige of the Yanks
about not losing and Dominguez is really the only position player I don't want to lose. If they have to include Volpe or Peraza, fine. Pereira? Fine.
Pretty much same here --I would probably try and hold Volpe but I didn't see enough from him last year to believe he's a good or great player in the making. To me he's average across the board but I get that he's very young and only played one year.
then how are Yankee fans going to feel about a rental, just asking? I don't see the Yanks as one player away, they won a grand total of 82 games last year. To me, it depends on who they have to give up. Keep in mind,
the Padres got 2 1/2 years of team control (counting 2024), when trading for Soto.
That's a big difference than one year...
The owner died, apparently their TV deal they had ended too?
I guess that is a reason for them to move payroll.
then how are Yankee fans going to feel about a rental, just asking? I don't see the Yanks as one player away, they won a grand total of 82 games last year. To me, it depends on who they have to give up. Keep in mind,
the Padres got 2 1/2 years of team control (counting 2024), when trading for Soto.
That's a big difference than one year...
The owner died, apparently their TV deal they had ended too?
I guess that is a reason for them to move payroll.
They're not trading any top prospects that will meaningfully impact the team's future. The Padres gave up a whole lot more than what he'll cost the Yankees, even if they were to acquiesce to the Padres initial demands
I’m glad they’re at least trying to hold the line on King.
Neither is the Martian or Peraza. (Btw, Padres are stacked with middle infield prospects so this is not surprising on Volpe/Peraza. They need MLB ready pitching to continue to compete for the Wild Card, which is why they're insisting on King.)
I really don't think the Yankees pull the trigger on Soto
without being committed to doing what it takes to re-sign him.
They only won 82 games, yes, but with pretty much everything going sideways for them aside from Cole. They do need to do more to improve the lineup than just Soto, yes, but sometimes people talk about them as if they're a baseball version of the Giants, and that's not the case.
RE: I really don't think the Yankees pull the trigger on Soto
They only won 82 games, yes, but with pretty much everything going sideways for them aside from Cole. They do need to do more to improve the lineup than just Soto, yes, but sometimes people talk about them as if they're a baseball version of the Giants, and that's not the case.
Couldn’t agree more. Soto (hopefully), Gleyber and Rizzo will all be extra motivated in contract years, and are good players to begin with. Judge is Judge, and will likely have better injury luck this season. Trevino/Wells is a solid catcher combo. Volpe won’t be overmatched for half the year like he was as a rook. Hold your breath for DJ, a healthy Martian at some point, and obviously Stanton. I think the Yankees will be a contender next season, and said that on game threads during the depths of last season.
Exactly Greg the over the top destroying of the Yankees in here
Is crazy at times. Yes the offense sucked last year, but they're looking to improve it. They can't have worse pitching luck this year. Also I agree when have the Yanks wanted to keep their own and were unsuccessful outside of maybe Cano? It's worth the risk. The "we're not one player away" argument is so overused around here for all sports. No team is ever one player away. You always look to improve. More often than not prospects disappoint.
without being committed to doing what it takes to re-sign him.
They only won 82 games, yes, but with pretty much everything going sideways for them aside from Cole. They do need to do more to improve the lineup than just Soto, yes, but sometimes people talk about them as if they're a baseball version of the Giants, and that's not the case.
Frankly they would be idiots to trade 5-7 players for Soto anad not be committed to resigning him.
@ChrisCotillo
Alex Cora: "I called Aaron Boone yesterday, FaceTimed him, and he gave me this kinda-like smile, this look. He was very happy. So something big might happen over there."
I actually like King more than Thorpe. Thorpe throws in the low 90’s, even with a great CU and a workable slider I don’t know what his ceiling is. Schmidt has to be in the deal, apparently SD asked for both Brito and Vazquez as well, no problem there, and let’s push for Hampton instead of Thorpe. But Thorpe shouldn’t be a deal breaker. If Thorpe is included, then maybe an OF doesn’t need to be involved. I can definitely live with trading Pereira though.
Baseball-wise Soto is a no brainer, but Boras is his agent. He’s not giving a hometown discount and probably will command 450M while going to the highest bidder.
Soto to Toronto would be no bueno, but they don’t have much ML ready pitching to trade except for Tidenman.
I like King but the injury history is worrisome and they'd be selling high with only 2 years of control left anyways. It'd hurt to part with him but as a centerpiece of a Soto deal I think it's a no-brainer. Just a question of what else has to go with him.
You mean all 11 games Dominguez played?
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You mean all 11 games Dominguez played?
I mean since his arrival in the Yankees organization.
He began lighting it up the past year and a half. Kind of happens with 16-18 year olds playing over the expected age bracket or minor league level.
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And I don’t think they really wanted him back
I think they wanted him back, but not for the absurd contract he got from Seattle.
And I was fine with that....until they then blew $150 million on Ellsbury.
I would have given Cano a 10-year contract. With him, they win maybe two WS's. Without him, none. Who cares that he'll get old, useless and still cost money. These are inflationary times.
You are probably right about the pitchers. If Volpe has to go, they have Peraza to step in at SS.
Yep, this appears to be coming down to which pitchers and how many of them. At least for now, SD seems to want all of them.
You mean 4 HRs in only 8 games doesn't light it up for you. Watch games,don't read lists. I've watched JD play over the last 2 years for Somerset & SWB (milb.com) & the kid is special. A switch hitting,power laden,great defensive CF with excellent speed.....sounds like how Mantle was described.You don't trade a kid like that for a rental.
I'm not a scout and neither are you. I don't think going to games at Somerset makes you more informed or better able to evaluate him than the guys who put together the lists for Baseball America or MLB.com. They're certainly more informed than I am and given their current opinion, I don't think he should stand in the way of landing Soto (who I don't view as a one-year rental because I think trading for him makes it far more likely than not that he signs a longterm deal at some point).
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You mean 4 HRs in only 8 games doesn't light it up for you. Watch games,don't read lists. I've watched JD play over the last 2 years for Somerset & SWB (milb.com) & the kid is special. A switch hitting,power laden,great defensive CF with excellent speed.....sounds like how Mantle was described.You don't trade a kid like that for a rental.
I didn't just fall off the turnip truck, I've been following Dominguez since they first signed him. I know all about his special skillset, but he has been at best streaky on his way up the minor league ladder.
I'm not a scout and neither are you. I don't think going to games at Somerset makes you more informed or better able to evaluate him than the guys who put together the lists for Baseball America or MLB.com. They're certainly more informed than I am and given their current opinion, I don't think he should stand in the way of landing Soto (who I don't view as a one-year rental because I think trading for him makes it far more likely than not that he signs a longterm deal at some point).
He was playing over his age group at every level and he started to turn it on in AA. I would not deal him without more back from San Diego. Soto is gone next year. They will get a decent deal but they are not entitled to fleece the Yanks.
are not involved in Juan Soto trade talks, per Andy Martino.
Haha, peak entitled Yankee fan shit there.
Haha, peak entitled Yankee fan shit there.
Mets Fan?
It is not entitled. You don't get fleeced by a team that knows it is going to lose a player in FA next year. Padres should look for their best deal, but you do not overpay.
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they want in trades. But the Padres aren’t “entitled to fleece the Yankees”. Lol. The Padres should be content with “a decent deal”.
Haha, peak entitled Yankee fan shit there.
Mets Fan?
It is not entitled. You don't get fleeced by a team that knows it is going to lose a player in FA next year. Padres should look for their best deal, but you do not overpay.
Especially when the Padres are so broke that they had to take loans to make payroll.
Don’t have the actual list tho.
Don’t have the actual list tho.
Full list is:
1. Jasson
2. Spencer Jones
3. Pereira
4. Hampton
5. Arias
6. Wells
7. Thorpe
8. Lalane
9. Lombard
10. Warren
@Brandon_N_Wile
Shi on the Blue Jays and Juan Soto
"The sense that I've gotten, unless that price changes from San Diego's current demands, I'm not sure the Blue Jays are involved. But everything in this market (is) very fluid, things can change very quickly."
We'll see what happens but the leaks about Toronto reek of SD trying to put pressure on the Yankees after the Yankees leaked their ask for Soto.
Link - ( New Window )
"Other clubs -- including the Blue Jays -- remain engaged on Soto, as well, but if he’s going to be traded this week, it’s starting to feel like it’s the Yankees or bust."
On Yamamoto:
"The Yankees, Mets, Red Sox, Giants and Dodgers are among the teams believed to be targeting Yamamoto, though most people inside the industry believe it could very well come down to an old-fashioned bidding war between the two New York clubs."
Also Warren still top 10.
I usually like MLB.com’s list more.
Also Warren still top 10.
I usually like MLB.com’s list more.
Yeah BA is definitely the outlier when it comes to Thorpe for sure. You’ll see him higher in most rankings
- The Yankees know getting Soto is a move they have to make
- Preller and Cashman have a good relationship and the two sides will "make their way back to each other"
- Reiterated the Padres asked for 7 players and for the Yankees to take on additional salary beyond Soto. Did say he thinks the Yankees are willing to pay a price that "will hurt" but not 7 players
- Yankees will try very hard to hang onto King and see if they can get a deal done without him (didn't say King was untouchable though)
- Yankees feel that there are few teams willing to take on Soto's salary + give up what it'll take to get Soto
- On Yamamoto, the Yankees really want him and feel good about their chances. "When was the last time Brian Cashman flew to Japan to see a player?" Also mentioned Matsui will help recruit him
- They really want to land both Soto and Yamamoto
Pretty surprising to me how confident he seems about Soto. Not sure I've ever heard him talk more passionately about the Yankees needing a player (Soto) before a deal was done. Usually the Yankees use him to temper expectations, so I think we can assume they're confident about getting Soto and to a lesser extent, Yamamoto.
And Hampton and Thorpe's profiles were reversed, so Thorpe is 4 and Hampton 7.
Really high a LaLane. La Grange is his righty counterpart, a Betances 2.0. Not as high on John Cruz.
He thinks they have a top 10 system, but no superstars.
In the end, money talks and the bullshit walks.
Everyone will keep King over Schmidt. Neither Brito and Vazquez would be a big loss. I’d try to trade Fitts, Beeter, and Warren too.
They have to pick the right one to keep between Pereira/Jones, Thorpe/Hampton. Cashman and co haven’t been good at that. Not counting the low A lottery tickets, system is strong in SP and INF, no need to keep them all.
In retrospect, they probably should have dealt Peraza, although we don’t know what Seattle was asking.
@FiresideYankees
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Bob Klapisch heard this from an AL Executive yesterday:
“The Yankees are telling people they’re ahead of the pack on (Yoshinobu) Yamamoto. Like, way ahead.”
Get it done.
Get it done.
Some people think he gets his information directly from the front office and is their unofficial press secretary, fwiw.
Pretty much same here --I would probably try and hold Volpe but I didn't see enough from him last year to believe he's a good or great player in the making. To me he's average across the board but I get that he's very young and only played one year.
the Padres got 2 1/2 years of team control (counting 2024), when trading for Soto.
That's a big difference than one year...
The owner died, apparently their TV deal they had ended too?
I guess that is a reason for them to move payroll.
the Padres got 2 1/2 years of team control (counting 2024), when trading for Soto.
That's a big difference than one year...
The owner died, apparently their TV deal they had ended too?
I guess that is a reason for them to move payroll.
They're not trading any top prospects that will meaningfully impact the team's future. The Padres gave up a whole lot more than what he'll cost the Yankees, even if they were to acquiesce to the Padres initial demands
He was 20/20 as a 22 year old and won a gold glove. Even if the gold glove award is a rather debatable, he played well defensively.
He was a 2 WAR player and numbers would suggest he was a little unlucky if anything.
He can and should cut his strikeout rate from 28% and increase his walk rate from 9%, potentially substantially on both, as he gains experience.
Volpe is going to be a really good player.
They only won 82 games, yes, but with pretty much everything going sideways for them aside from Cole. They do need to do more to improve the lineup than just Soto, yes, but sometimes people talk about them as if they're a baseball version of the Giants, and that's not the case.
Couldn’t agree more. Soto (hopefully), Gleyber and Rizzo will all be extra motivated in contract years, and are good players to begin with. Judge is Judge, and will likely have better injury luck this season. Trevino/Wells is a solid catcher combo. Volpe won’t be overmatched for half the year like he was as a rook. Hold your breath for DJ, a healthy Martian at some point, and obviously Stanton. I think the Yankees will be a contender next season, and said that on game threads during the depths of last season.
They only won 82 games, yes, but with pretty much everything going sideways for them aside from Cole. They do need to do more to improve the lineup than just Soto, yes, but sometimes people talk about them as if they're a baseball version of the Giants, and that's not the case.
Frankly they would be idiots to trade 5-7 players for Soto anad not be committed to resigning him.
Not that being idiots id foreign to them....
Alex Cora: "I called Aaron Boone yesterday, FaceTimed him, and he gave me this kinda-like smile, this look. He was very happy. So something big might happen over there."
And? It is openly talked about in the press and I and sure SD is talking too.
Pretty out of character for Cashman to do that. Makes him look bad if they don't wind up getting him.